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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:47 PM Apr 2014

I can't wait until the punditry (and, therefore, the American people)

catches up to what just happened ...with the signing of the Equal Pay Executive Order requiring Federal contractors to report on wages by race and gender.

Hint: What happens everyone in a workplace knows what everyone else makes?

Answer: Employers can no longer low ball anyone in terms of wages.

This is about women and "minorities"; but it really isn't about women and "minorities."

Labor studies show that where wages are publicized (e.g., government sector) in wages are higher than sectors where wages are confidential.

Further, this signing reinforces/strengthens the NLBR's recent rulings that discussing wages is protected conduct under "working condition"/union organization protections.



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I can't wait until the punditry (and, therefore, the American people) (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 OP
k&r... spanone Apr 2014 #1
wages of all paid employees ought to be made public by law n/t deafskeptic Apr 2014 #2
Agreed; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #4
There ought to be one. n/t deafskeptic Apr 2014 #9
How much do you make? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #16
I'll tell you if you tell me how much u make. n/t deafskeptic Apr 2014 #17
Exactly Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #18
About $56,000 a year gratuitous Apr 2014 #20
K & R nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #3
K&R! nt sheshe2 Apr 2014 #5
Thanks, Mr. President, for taking action and supporting women and labor. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #6
Now ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #7
and that's the truth.. folks I know barely squeaking by voting Republican mountain grammy Apr 2014 #14
K & R Iliyah Apr 2014 #8
Actually, only Federal Contractors ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #10
Nah, the right wing will whine over Obama using another executive order. Initech Apr 2014 #11
Yup. This keeping wages secret crap is how Lily Ledbetter got screwed. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #12
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #13
In my experience working in union shops.. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #15
It's a deep cultural stronghold Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #19
And that employer-encouraged cultural stronghold ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #21
Too much generalization for me, but I hear ya Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #22
eggsactly! thank you Mr Strong! bettyellen Apr 2014 #23
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
7. Now ...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:38 AM
Apr 2014

we just have to convince w-2 wage earners (at whatever salary level) that they are labor; rather than, temporary embarrassed owners!

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
14. and that's the truth.. folks I know barely squeaking by voting Republican
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 09:28 AM
Apr 2014

I tell them, if your rich, sure vote Republican. The party of the rich, by the rich and for the rich will represent you. If you're not rich and Social Security is your retirement plan, the Republicans will hand it to the rich to take care of it for you. Save your money now so you can visit your Social Security in whatever tax haven it lands in.
And if that's not enough for you, I say, there's the entire future of the planet to think about.

I'll keep saying it over and over until they either understand or quit talking to me. I've seen both.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. K & R
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:45 AM
Apr 2014

Only for the Federal level. Pres O wants congress to do the same for private businesses. Probably the senate which will take months because of the opposition, the house - forget it per gopers.

Voting is so important.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. Actually, only Federal Contractors ...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:13 AM
Apr 2014

but requiring it of Federal Contractors introduces/establishes, for current and hopefuls, the reporting/wage openness into all of the private sector, in the only manner the President can without congressional approval.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
11. Nah, the right wing will whine over Obama using another executive order.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:46 AM
Apr 2014

Despite that he's used fewer than any president in the last 40 years.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
12. Yup. This keeping wages secret crap is how Lily Ledbetter got screwed.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:53 AM
Apr 2014

Even though she was getting paid less than men doing the same job where she worked, salaries were kept secret, so it went on for years before she figured it out.

And then when she sued, her employer claimed it didn't owe her back wages because she had blown the statute of limitations for suing for those long ago years--even though she had just recently discovered the fact that she was entitled to sue. Our craven conservative SCOTUS majority upheld the employer's ridiculous position.

To address that patently unfair reading of the law, Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter Act as soon as he took office. It basically overturned SCOTUS, and said the clock for filing suit starts running when you discover you've been screwed, not when the company starts screwing you.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. Yep ...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:00 AM
Apr 2014

and this is a step to, both, effectuate Lily and give teeth to the NLRB's "working condition discussions" protections.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
15. In my experience working in union shops..
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 09:38 AM
Apr 2014

our wages, along with wage progression, was posted. It was great, except for the anti union whiners who would spend hours of the workday whining to the supervisors about pro union people working less and being paid the same as them; the very philosophy of the Republican party. They sit on their butts and whine while the rest of us work.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
19. It's a deep cultural stronghold
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 06:06 PM
Apr 2014

To have One's income confidential.

Even among the closest of friends.

Something about an income database seems quite corruptible

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. And that employer-encouraged cultural stronghold ...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 06:19 PM
Apr 2014

has, and in fact is required, for employers to discriminate against women and "minorities" ... while, also, low-balling employees. This secrecy depresses all (but a few) workerforce wages.

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