UPDATE: Up to 5,000 Armed Militia Members Will Be Arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada Today

[BadGimp]

Apparently the far right fringe Militia types have got their collective panties in a bunch again, and they are actually thinking they might see some action. I wanted to post this in LBN but clearly there is no real news here. Am I right?

UPDATE: Up to 5,000 Armed Militia Members Will Be Arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada Today

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/video-militias-are-on-route-is-the-2nd-american-revolution-starting-in-bunkerville-nevada_04102014

Update: Word on the street from sources close to the militia movement is that up to 5,000 armed militia members will be arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada sometime today. (See full report below)

SHTFplan.com Editor’s Note: It is apparent that the Federal government was under the impression that they could simply move into the ranch land surrounding Bunkerville, NV and have their way with the property and livelihood of the Bundy family. What they didn’t count on was the outcry from Americans across the country. And now things may be headed to the next level. As Kim Paxton of The Daily Sheeple notes, citizen militias in several states have been called up. Many members of those organizations are taking up arms and are making their way to Nevada.

And it’s not just the citizen militias that are preparing to take action. The governor of Nevada has officially condemned the federal government’s actions, though he has yet to take any steps afforded to him under State law. Sheriff Richard Mack of Gilbert, Arizona has weighed in and calls the actions “terrorism.”

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[dilby]

1. How about 5 guys are probably showing up.

I highly doubt they can even field 5.

[Warpy]

29. Right, Noplace Nevada?

Remember the million RKBA march on Washington DC? They were going to assemble in Arlington and walk across the bridge. I think maybe ten showed up.

Then there was the convoy of truckers who were going to block the beltway around Washington. I don't think anybody showed up for that one.

Wingers are capable of individual violence against people but don't seem to be able to get it together for mass demonstrations. I guess they can't stand each other, either.

[socialist_n_TN]

34. That's what I was thinking too. 5 guys and.......

5 Porta-Potties and about 500 members of the "liberal" media.

[yuiyoshida]

75. I bet FOX NEWS will show up...

Maybe Sean Hannity to stir up the Fox News Viewers.. they have always wanted their "War on Obama".

[msongs]

2. crackpots need to be "well regulated" nt

[maddezmom]

78. What is there to tell?

[Codeine]

3. Never gonna happen.

I predict less than a dozen badly-overweight white people showing up and looking stupid.

[AnalystInParadise]

5. There were 10 from El Paso

that were headed there today.......The group on the news was about half Hispanic, half white. Misguided fools, but I suspect the people in Nevada will get maybe a few hundred Maximum. But not a fucking chance to get 5000 lunatics.

[AnalystInParadise]

4. 5000?

Not a chance 100-500? Yeah I can see that, here in El Paso, Texas it was on the news this morning about 10 militia members were headed to Nevada. Ironically they looked evenly split between Hispanics and Whites.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Given the actual how many do show

the upper number in my view is 500. That said, this could turn out to be a nice little Mexican standoff.

One of those stories out of area to keep an eye on.

[jwirr]

6. Why are these groups ignoring the fact that this is not Bundy ranch land. It belongs to all of

us. That is what public land is. Secondly, why didn't he just continue to pay the tiny sum he has paid all these years for rent? He was already getting a good deal. Third, this land is fragile - what kind of farmer does not follow the rules to protect the land he is using? Fourth what makes Bundy think he is entitled to a free ride from the taxpayers?

This is not good. Militia groups are armed and often looking for a fight. I feel sorry for the government officials who are faced with this unreasonable group of hothead.


I for one will not be blaming the law enforcement in this situation if this comes to violence. Bundy and his army are WRONG.

[arcane1]

11. Militia groups are not exactly known for their thoughtful analysis of situations

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Will Think Progress work for you?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/11/3425659/armed-right-wing-militias-descend-on-nevada-to-help-rancher-defy-court-order/

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Would you like to check the name of the OP?

That is not me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I did not defend

Pointed out there is something to the story. I guess, this being DU, it is what it is.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. How Funny

One two lane black top road very narrow passes The Bundy Hide out. Going to be easy for Law Enforcement to contain these Stupid's. Bring It On!!!!!! Can just imagine all of the cameras clicking and recording who is and who ain't. Get F***ing real.

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. If they really got 5000 (bwahahahaha), law enforcement would be inadequate.

Last edited Sat Apr 12, 2014, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)

It would take soldiers. And in any situation short of a widespread insurrection that fragmented the military (which this sure as hell is NOT), soldiers are what they'd get. RIP, dumbasses.

Mind you, one of the reasons for militia is resistance to an oppressive government...that's pretty clear from the writings of the Framers. But preventing some assclown from illegally using public land isn't "oppressive" by any rational, sane definition.

[Voice for Peace]

55. there are so many people out there just itching for a showdown with the feds & guns.

So it wouldn't surprise me if they show up hoping this will be the big one.

[Wolf Frankula]

9. In Other Breaking News: The United States will Denounce the Test Ban Treaty

Surface nuclear testing will resume. The site will be Bunkerville, Nevada. The test will determine the effect of nuclear weapons on imbecility. This will be the only surface test.

Wolf

[riqster]

79. DUzy!

[TBF]

10. Oh FFS ...

[MineralMan]

14. Better bring in plenty of porta-potties, then.

Up to 5000, eh? That means that at least two or three will show up. And since those morons are completely full of shit, they'll need regular access to a porta-potty.

I think a couple of dozen of them will be enough.

[Zorra]

15. ...and somewhere near Desperation, Nevada, just outside of Las Vegas, a terrible sound emits from

the dark depths of an ancient, long abandoned mine tunnel, a sound that is of a frequency only heard by the living dead, a terrible sound, which calls to it macabre, deranged, violent creatures from their lairs around the land, and draws them, to gather there in great herds, in the place known as The Stand.

Meanwhile, somewhere in Kansas, an old black woman sits on her porch, playing her guitar, and singing hymns.

[countryjake]

28. Perfect.

[redwitch]

33. LOL!

I would not want to have hogs in my yard making that noise, no sir.

And now may be a good time to read The Stand again. For about the 15th time! I reread favorite novels every couple of years or so.

[tosh]

67. Well THAT got the kittehs off of my desk!

[Lex]

16. Looks like the porta potties have arrived for them.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

23. The Captain of the Head!

[upaloopa]

35. Looks like the time the freepers were guarding their

porta potties in DC so no liberals could use them.

[Nevernose]

50. What's all that weird green stuff in the background?

It sure as hell ain't Bunkerville!

[adirondacker]

51. "This here potty really chaps my ass"

[KamaAina]

17. Bunkerville?!

[Arugula Latte]

48. You can't make this sh@# up.

[Exposethefrauds]

18. I hope they remember to bring plenty of Cheetos and Mountain Dew

5000 350 lbs militia types will consume at least two 9.5 oz bags and wash it down with at least two 2 liter bottles of dew per day that comes out to:
5937.5 lbs Cheetos per day
5283 gallons of Mountain Dew

The local WalMart and 7-11’s better stock up other they will be confronted by angry hungry obese morons with guns.

I propose the memorial to the fallen militia types be a hand holding a gun with a crowbar prying the fingers off the gun.

[Arugula Latte]

49. Welcome to DU!

I like your style.

[csziggy]

19. Southern Poverty Law Center information about Cliven Bundy, right wing extremist

Since some here on DU seem to be supporting Bundy's "right" to use federal grazing lands, here is a factual discussion of the history of the case with links to much more additional information. Cliven Bundy is the antithesis of what DU should be supporting!

Antigovernment ‘Patriots’ Gather Near Scene of Nevada Rancher’s Dispute Over Cattle Grazing Rights
By David Neiwert on April 10, 2014 - 9:36 am, Posted in Antigovernment, Patriot

A Nevada rancher appears to have backed down after threatening to open up a “range war” with the federal government if they rounded up the cattle he had illegally grazing on public lands. Authorities responded to the rancher’s threat with a show of force – an estimated 200 federal agents who descended on the scene – and rounded up the cattle. However, a large contingent of about a hundred antigovernment “Patriots” is now gathering near the site of the roundup as a form of protest and making their presence known.

On Wednesday, the confrontation escalated into a brief dustup between federal law enforcement officers and the protesters, including the son of the rancher at the center of dispute, Cliven Bundy. During the ruckus, caught on video, Bundy’s adult son, Ammon Bundy, was shot with a stun gun that bloodied his shoulder. Eventually the officers retreated, amid much celebration by the protesters.

<SNIP>

The core of the dispute is Cliven Bundy’s ongoing claim to the right to graze his cattle on a sensitive piece of southern Nevada’s Mojave Desert known as Gold Butte. Bundy’s family had grazed cattle in the area for generations, but in 1993 Cliven Bundy stopped paying his fees on the land, claiming that the United States government was not the legitimate landlord.

<SNIP>

Bundy threatened a “range war” if Bureau of Land Management agents took custody of his stock, calling them “cattle thieves.” But, initially at least, the threats appeared to fizzle as the roundup of Bundy’s cattle proceeded apace, accompanied by a heavy law enforcement presence at the scene, while Bundy sputtered helplessly on the sideline. On Sunday, another adult son, 37-year-old David Bundy, was arrested after getting into a confrontation with the federal officers; afterwards, Bundy and his compatriots described for reporters their alleged ordeal the hands of federal officers.

More with lots of supporting links: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/04/10/anti-government-patriots-gather-near-scene-of-nevada-ranchers-dispute-over-cattle-grazing-rights/

[Dwayne Hicks]

21. Wow

These people are seriously violent extremists. Luckily most are too old and too fat to actually do anything. Time to start arresting all who obstruct the court order.

[Marrah_G]

27. Does anyone know why the government is doing this now?

If the cattle have been grazing there for a century without an issue, why now?

[Buns_of_Fire]

37. Apparently, he stopped paying the grazing fees. He doesn't even recognize the Federal Govt.

The Bureau of Land Management said at least 100 protesters showed up near the ranch on Monday. A lot of them believe the government is stealing the cows. But the BLM said the cows are grazing on federal land that the ranch has no right to.

"We operate within this state. We run cattle here, graze this natural resource off this public land and I abide by all of Nevada state laws but I don't recognize the United States Government as even existing," said Cliven Bundy.

Because of that belief, Bundy has not paid grazing fees. The government said he owes them around $1 million.

*snip*

The BLM maintains, "This is unfair to the thousands of other ranchers who graze in compliance with federal laws and regulations."

http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Fight-brewing-between-rancher-and-federal-authorities-254286861.html

[gratuitous]

38. Actually, they've been grazing with an issue

Mr. Cliven, having grazed his cattle on federal land for many years, suddenly decided that he no longer had to pay the silage fee (if memory serves from back in the day, it was something like $2.80 per AUM; that is, $2.80 per month for each cow or cow and calf grazing on the land). The government sued him, and he put forth some lamebrain argument that the federal government had no constitutional right to charge ranchers for grazing on federal land. The fatuous argument completely elides Article IV Section 3 of the Constitution, and several courts have informed Mr. Cliven of this incontrovertible legal fact.

He has been ordered several times to get his cattle off of public land, and for something like 20 years he has refused to do so. The government recently went back to court to get a final order giving Mr. Cliven 45 days to get his freeloading cattle of the people's land. That deadline has passed, and the government is enforcing the lawful order of the court.

[Paladin]

39. Welfare cowboys.

They probably fly a "Live Free Or Die" flag without seeing the irony.

[Marrah_G]

42. Ahhhhh thank you

That makes more sense.

[Eleanors38]

45. Heh. His idea of the ultimate tax write-off.

[alcibiades_mystery]

66. He's a freeloader and a thief, essentially

[Strelnikov_]

74. Also, going from memory, what the BLM charges ranchers is nowhere near what they should charge

To cover costs.

Edit:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22704766/federal-grazing-fee-stays-same-rekindles-debate

Katie Fite, biodiversity director of the Western Watersheds Project based in Hailey, Idaho, said the fee is unrealistically low because it's set by an outdated formula that allows ranchers to pay far less than they would for grazing on private land.

The fee falls well short of covering government costs to manage grazing, she said, and taxpayers end up footing the bill for killing predators of livestock, for spraying weeds spread by livestock and for sagebrush- and tree-removal projects to create more grass for cattle and sheep.

According to a Government Accountability Office report in 2005, grazing fees generated less than one-sixth of the expenditures needed by the government to manage grazing on public lands in 2004.

. . .

BLM officials said the grazing fee formula was designed to support the ranching industry in the West, not to recover the government's expenditures or capture the fair market value of forage. The fee can't drop below $1.35 per AUM under a 1986 presidential executive order.

[gratuitous]

81. Yes, the AUM is currently $1.35

And Mr. Bundy has racked up more than a million dollars of arrearage, which means he's been fattening his cattle for nothing on federal land for more than 20 years, while honest ranchers have been paying their assessments, which are indeed far below the actual cost of maintaining the land. It's like federal gas taxes, which are far short of what is required to pay for road building and maintenance.

I don't mind the government subsidizing things; what gets my goat are users complaining about having to pay even the pittance they're charged. Bundy is as wrong as he can be on this.

[Strelnikov_]

83. Lived in the west for a long time

Always amazed at the anti-government attitude.

If it wasn't for the Federal land holdings, the west would resemble Czarist Russia, a few massive land holders, and a whole lot of peasants.

I even experienced people who worked for the Federal government bitching about how the Federal government should leave (except for their job, of course, which was vital).

[Boreal]

43. Good question

and it's state land, not federal, so the BLM has no business there. Here's info/back story also posted in the other thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/22ntn8/take_aways_from_the_ongoing_bundyranch_situation/cgoyftl

[MohRokTah]

47. WRONG!

The Welfare Cowboys FALSELY CLAIM it's state land when in fact, it's Federal Land.

[Boreal]

59. Can you prove that? nt

[MohRokTah]

61. US Court RULED on the case

So case closed.

Only a right wing moron agrees with this sovereign citizen jagoff.

[Nevernose]

52. Actually, you're double wrong

He's a lunatic who's started believing his own rationalizations. Also used to be in the Posse Comitatus movement. Also, he claims the land is Clark County's, not the State's, although all governments agree it belongs to the BLM. Furthermore, he actually expanded his grazing when the courts recently ruled against him to what has always federal land. For more, non-right-wing-lunatic information: http://m.lvsun.com/news/2014/apr/06/rancher-land-dispute-bully-not-hero/

[siligut]

68. "Also used to be in the Posse Comitatus movement"

He is a Mormon too, though I gather many of the Posse Comitatus are.

Let's hope there is good media coverage of the event, unlike others here, I believe there will be quite a showing.

[Nevernose]

82. There is some crossover there

But I think that has to do more with geography than religion. Notice that his entry into the world of "Antigovernment Outlaw" began in '93, when Clinton got elected and the 90s militia movement kicked off. My best friend's parents were heavily involved in all of that shit here in Vegas back then; we used to get high and go to the militia meetings. Art Bell was a nutjob even when we were stoned. Anyway, I've been fascinated by these groups ever since.

[maddezmom]

65. Oh dear lord....you are going to need to get better sources that that RW blog

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/fast-and-furious-scandal-mike-vanderboegh

[tularetom]

30. Remember the 5000 truckers who were gonna shut down the DC beltway?

They planned to drive three abreast at 10 mph and piss off all the "liberals" living in the area. For some reason that never happened. Perhaps they realized road rage knows no political ideology and they risked getting shot themselves.

[chrisa]

31. If 5 people showed up, it would be like Woodstock for these guys.

3/5 would be FBI agents. The rest: Single-digit IQ Methheads

[Reter]

46. Are methheads wingnuts?

I always though they were aPolitical.

[chrisa]

73. It seems to be the wingnut drug of choice

It's hard work keepin' the govemint out of yer meth lab - gotta have lots'uh guns.

[Hoyt]

32. Bring in the drones. 5 or 5000, they are terrorists.

[madinmaryland]

36. The NSA already knows the names of the 15 morans

who will be showing up.

[Lancero]

40. I don't see why they waited so long to act...

He stopped paying to use the land back in 1993. It's 2014 now.

They waited just over two decades to act on this. Honestly, the only point the government is going to make is one about how slow and lazy they are.

Edit - The same on the order for them to be removed or confiscated. Order came in July 2013, with 45 days before they were confiscated. It's been about half a year since those 45 days passed.

This man is a greedy idiot, but the governments laziness on acting only made him more confident in his actions.

[seabeyond]

41. laws being broken. they face off the police. then it will be the govt who is the bad guy. too

predictable.

[hillaryfan2016]

44. In this case-

it is easy to see the government will be the good guy! Round all these goons up, charge'em with treason and armed insurrection!

[TBF]

63. You're funny.

[JJChambers]

53. And people say the militarization of police isn't justified

Proof here that it is. Kick this fuck off the land and jail his ass for contempt of court for a year.

[Nevernose]

54. Bundy is a bully and a bullshit artist

For actual, non-made-up facts about Bundy, see this article in the actual, not full of shit Las Vegas Sun (as opposed to our other local paper, a RW rag that once sued DU):

http://m.lvsun.com/news/2014/apr/06/rancher-land-dispute-bully-not-hero/

[Nevernose]

56. Update with snide information

Militias from all over have been threatening to come in, and a few people (5-15) have actually showed up. Nobody expects much real trouble from the Utah or Montana militias, though.

What has both the Feds and the Las Vegas Metropolitan police "concerned" (according to one of my sources, some of them are scared shitless), is the Idaho militias. Some of these people have been confirmed by federal law enforcement to be on the move to Southern Nevada, and, in the words of one of my sources, "those people don't fuck around." Neo-Nazis, professional anti-government zealots, Glen Beck listeners, lots of people on FBI watch lists (enough of a threat that federal agencies are permanently monitoring their activities), mad bombers, domestic terrorists, people who want to start a race war and overthrow the Obama/Zionist government: you name it, those loonies are harboring batshit crazy anti-American thoughts and deeds in the Idaho mountains and have been itching to export it.

[rumdude]

58. Northern Idaho is a hotbed for that stuff n/t

[oldandhappy]

57. Bundy probably has nasty things to say about people on unemployment!

Yea, those takers! He is a piece of work.

[Downtown Hound]

60. Sounds like a good place to drop a few of these

Make the world a better place. Might also make these fat, middle aged idiots who've seen Red Dawn one too many times realize why clinging to your stupid little AR-15 isn't going to help you much when you're up against modern military hardware.

[dembotoz]

62. even if only 50 show up this could be a mess

and a huge victory to those out to prove that the socialist communist kenyan obama is out to get them and take away their guns

nra memberships thru the roof

[randome]

64. I agree, it could be a mess.

Shots fired, even one or two deaths, would be enough to rally the mindless minions. They are looking for just such an opportunity.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

[siligut]

69. "Revolution in Nevada to Save Cliven Bundy"

Study-up, nut-up and gear-up:

Here is the preface, well-edited to show 'abusive' feds.

Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents. . .

[randome]

70. "Nut-up". LOL!

5.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[siligut]

71. Some of these guys are former military?

The video sounds like the intro to Call of Duty and still has the faint odor of testosterone.

This is the day that Patriots have been talking about and training for. They will not stand down.
If you aren’t a combatant, this doesn’t mean that you can’t participate in this revolt against tyranny. This is a call to action.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/video-militias-are-on-route-is-the-2nd-american-revolution-starting-in-bunkerville-nevada_04102014

Non-combatants are to bring sunscreen and something nice for the potluck, to be held after the siege.

[n2doc]

72. Just send one of these to fly around them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AC-130H_Spectre_(2152981898).jpg


Nice and slow….

[Owl]

76. Yowsa!