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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo I walked in the house to hear my wife shouting at the CBS evening news.
Scott Pelley was talking about fracking and said that it was "pumping water and sand".
No mention about the EPA-exempt mystery cocktail of chemicals added to the water/sand mix!
So it's no wonder people think fracking is "A-OK", the fossil fuel companies keep the media quiet by buying tons of ad time talking about "clean, safe natural gas".
The supposed glut of cheap natgas actually increased our cost per therm vs. last year, proving the system is rigged and not in our favor.
She's now furiously tweeting in an attempt to counter the water/sand narrative.
Money corrupts all!
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)The communities downstream in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania did not know their drinking water was contaminated until after the fact. I suspect more of that is going on, but the the actors are getting away with it.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,619 posts)I don't know yet that he'll get away with it, but he could see three years in prison + $250,000 in fines. I don't at all like AG Mike DeWine, but he agressively pursued that particular case all the way to conviction. It was a local story here.
Perhaps more important, the ODNR found cause that rare earthquakes here in NE Ohio are the direct result of fracking:
http://wkbn.com/2014/04/11/odnr-fracking-well-caused-earthquakes/
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)This site on FB is pretty good for Fracking info
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-The-Hollers/182517225183754?ref=hl
JohnnyRingo
(18,619 posts)...and that's according to the Ohio Dept of Natural Resources, not so called "liberal tree huggers":
http://wkbn.com/2014/04/11/odnr-fracking-well-caused-earthquakes/
Gas companies are skating on thin ice in this state. Now if we can get rid of Kasich...
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)and what is actually useful for fracking.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)This practice smacks of refiners dumping their substandard distillates into the ground to offload it on the public.
Since Dick Cheney scored an EPA waiver for his criminal buddies, we may never know what other sorts of junk they're pumping into the ground.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fracking
caraher
(6,278 posts)He said that in terms of climate, fracking was a great thing (since you get more energy per ton of CO2 emitted with natural gas than coal; of course, the picture is less bright if you consider methane leaks in extraction, transport and storage, and "less bad" is not the same as "good" and that it's a shame people didn't realize fracking fluids are basically little more than water with some dish soap.
I told him that even if this is true it's not as though I could tell my students this, because nobody tells what's actually in the fluids. If industry felt knowledge of the true contents of fracking fluids would improve their image, they should be open about what they're using.
He replied that they can't do that, it's a trade secret.
I answered that it sounds like they'll just have to take their licks in the public eye, if their calculation is that keeping these secrets is better for them than transparency.
progressoid
(49,951 posts)Who is it a secret from? They all do it. Are they afraid that there will suddenly be do-it-yourself fracking kits on Amazon if the secret gets out?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Is some rival company going to come along with a computer that's better at adding??
caraher
(6,278 posts)It's hard to imagine there are any more than incremental advantages to be had using one fluid over another within the industry.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Economics would suggest these folks are motivated to opportunistically resolve tough disposal issues by taking advantage of the Clean Water Act waiver Cheney scored for them. Sure the groundwater could be poisoned for a very long term, but for a short while the shareholder will make a buck.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)And spilled into the headwater streams....
Hydrochloric Acid
Quaternary Ammonium Chloride
Ethylene Glycol
Choline Chloride
Tetramethyl ammonium chloride
Isopropanol
Methanol
And about 600 more
http://fracfocus.org/chemical-use/what-chemicals-are-used
OldEurope
(1,273 posts)A very useful link!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)What waste product would an oil and gas company have in abundance?