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Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 07:21 PM Apr 2014

So I walked in the house to hear my wife shouting at the CBS evening news.

Scott Pelley was talking about fracking and said that it was "pumping water and sand".
No mention about the EPA-exempt mystery cocktail of chemicals added to the water/sand mix!

So it's no wonder people think fracking is "A-OK", the fossil fuel companies keep the media quiet by buying tons of ad time talking about "clean, safe natural gas".
The supposed glut of cheap natgas actually increased our cost per therm vs. last year, proving the system is rigged and not in our favor.

She's now furiously tweeting in an attempt to counter the water/sand narrative.
Money corrupts all!

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So I walked in the house to hear my wife shouting at the CBS evening news. (Original Post) Snarkoleptic Apr 2014 OP
Last year, a waste hauler allowed fracking waste fluid to be dumped into an Ohio river. John1956PA Apr 2014 #1
More privatized profits for.the few and externalized toxins for the masses. Snarkoleptic Apr 2014 #3
Ben Lupo, the CEO of the company, faces sentencing in June. JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #5
If she needs any backup info… Champion Jack Apr 2014 #2
Fracking was linked to earthquakes here in NE Ohio today. JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #4
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2014 #6
I wonder what percentage of the fluid is disposing of wastes Thor_MN Apr 2014 #7
And then there is the matter of pumping toxic diesel fuel into the ground. Snarkoleptic Apr 2014 #9
I had an interesting conversation with an oil company president caraher Apr 2014 #8
Trade secret. Hah. progressoid Apr 2014 #10
Just like the source code for electronic voting machines. All they do is add. arcane1 Apr 2014 #11
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous caraher Apr 2014 #12
Unless the're disposing of waste that would otherwise be costly to responsibly/properly dispose of. Snarkoleptic Apr 2014 #13
List of the safe and clean chemicals injected at high pressure into the ground Champion Jack Apr 2014 #15
Thank you so much! OldEurope Apr 2014 #17
CBS Enthusiast Apr 2014 #14
Kick & Rec!! hue Apr 2014 #16
Well let's see,....McDonalds is big on beef and used to cook their fries in beef tallow,... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #18
k and r niyad Apr 2014 #19

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
1. Last year, a waste hauler allowed fracking waste fluid to be dumped into an Ohio river.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 07:27 PM
Apr 2014

The communities downstream in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania did not know their drinking water was contaminated until after the fact. I suspect more of that is going on, but the the actors are getting away with it.

JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
5. Ben Lupo, the CEO of the company, faces sentencing in June.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:24 PM
Apr 2014

I don't know yet that he'll get away with it, but he could see three years in prison + $250,000 in fines. I don't at all like AG Mike DeWine, but he agressively pursued that particular case all the way to conviction. It was a local story here.

Perhaps more important, the ODNR found cause that rare earthquakes here in NE Ohio are the direct result of fracking:

http://wkbn.com/2014/04/11/odnr-fracking-well-caused-earthquakes/

JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
4. Fracking was linked to earthquakes here in NE Ohio today.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:15 PM
Apr 2014

...and that's according to the Ohio Dept of Natural Resources, not so called "liberal tree huggers":

http://wkbn.com/2014/04/11/odnr-fracking-well-caused-earthquakes/

Gas companies are skating on thin ice in this state. Now if we can get rid of Kasich...

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
7. I wonder what percentage of the fluid is disposing of wastes
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:47 PM
Apr 2014

and what is actually useful for fracking.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
9. And then there is the matter of pumping toxic diesel fuel into the ground.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:31 PM
Apr 2014

This practice smacks of refiners dumping their substandard distillates into the ground to offload it on the public.
Since Dick Cheney scored an EPA waiver for his criminal buddies, we may never know what other sorts of junk they're pumping into the ground.

In a letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, the congressional committee noted that between 2005 and 2009, “oil and gas service companies injected 32.2 million gallons of diesel fuel or hydraulic fracturing fluids containing diesel fuel in wells in 19 states.” None of the companies sought or received permits to do so. “This appears to be a violation of the Safe Drinking Water Act. It also means that the companies injecting diesel fuel have not performed the environmental reviews required by the law.” Yet because the necessary environmental reviews were circumvented, the companies were unable to provide data on whether they had used diesel in fracking operations in or near underground sources of drinking water.[19]


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fracking

caraher

(6,278 posts)
8. I had an interesting conversation with an oil company president
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:02 PM
Apr 2014

He said that in terms of climate, fracking was a great thing (since you get more energy per ton of CO2 emitted with natural gas than coal; of course, the picture is less bright if you consider methane leaks in extraction, transport and storage, and "less bad" is not the same as "good&quot and that it's a shame people didn't realize fracking fluids are basically little more than water with some dish soap.

I told him that even if this is true it's not as though I could tell my students this, because nobody tells what's actually in the fluids. If industry felt knowledge of the true contents of fracking fluids would improve their image, they should be open about what they're using.

He replied that they can't do that, it's a trade secret.

I answered that it sounds like they'll just have to take their licks in the public eye, if their calculation is that keeping these secrets is better for them than transparency.

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
10. Trade secret. Hah.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:33 PM
Apr 2014

Who is it a secret from? They all do it. Are they afraid that there will suddenly be do-it-yourself fracking kits on Amazon if the secret gets out?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
11. Just like the source code for electronic voting machines. All they do is add.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:51 PM
Apr 2014

Is some rival company going to come along with a computer that's better at adding??

caraher

(6,278 posts)
12. Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:57 PM
Apr 2014

It's hard to imagine there are any more than incremental advantages to be had using one fluid over another within the industry.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
13. Unless the're disposing of waste that would otherwise be costly to responsibly/properly dispose of.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 10:11 PM
Apr 2014

Economics would suggest these folks are motivated to opportunistically resolve tough disposal issues by taking advantage of the Clean Water Act waiver Cheney scored for them. Sure the groundwater could be poisoned for a very long term, but for a short while the shareholder will make a buck.

Champion Jack

(5,378 posts)
15. List of the safe and clean chemicals injected at high pressure into the ground
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 08:35 AM
Apr 2014

And spilled into the headwater streams....

Hydrochloric Acid
Quaternary Ammonium Chloride
Ethylene Glycol
Choline Chloride
Tetramethyl ammonium chloride
Isopropanol
Methanol
And about 600 more

http://fracfocus.org/chemical-use/what-chemicals-are-used

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. Well let's see,....McDonalds is big on beef and used to cook their fries in beef tallow,...
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 03:22 PM
Apr 2014

What waste product would an oil and gas company have in abundance?

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