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marmar

(77,073 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 10:24 AM Apr 2014

"the capitalist organization of production has now finished its period of usefulness in human histor

Richard Wolff has emerged as one of the most prominent progressive economists in America. He appears on Free Speech TV, Link TV, and Pacifica Radio, and has been a repeat guest on Bill Moyers’s program, as well as appearing on Charlie Rose’s show. His books include Capitalism Hits the Fan, Occupy the Economy, and Democracy at Work. Wolff got his B.A. from Harvard, a Master’s from Stanford, and a Ph.D. in economics from Yale. He is a professor emeritus at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst and a visiting professor in the graduate program for international affairs at the New School University in Manhattan, where he lives. Born in 1942 in Youngstown, Ohio, he’s the son of working class parents who were refugees from the Nazis. After his family moved around the Midwest, they relocated to New York. In the 1980s, Wolff ran to be New Haven’s mayor and city councilman on the Green Party ticket.

.....(snip).....

Q: Why do business leaders in the United States and Western Europe favor austerity? Doesn’t it reduce demand for their products, and thus lower their potential profits?

Wolff: The question is good. Why are executives of corporations constantly looking for every conceivable way to lower labor costs? The more successful capitalists are in cutting their wage costs, the less money workers will have to buy back what those same capitalists produce. It’s a contradiction.

Sure, businesses would like lots of purchases. But the only way to deal with a depressed economy would be to tax the rich, who are hoarding their money, and move it into the hands of the middle and lower classes, because they’re in a situation where they’ll spend it as fast as they get it. That would solve the problem of demand, but only at the expense of the rich and corporations.

They’ve made a choice: They’d rather tough it out—stick it to the mass of people, even at the cost of losing customers—than be the one who gets hit with the tab for boosting the masses’ purchasing power.

.....(snip).....

Q: What’s the alternative?

Wolff: A cooperative enterprise is the key alternative to a traditional capitalist enterprise. All the workers, whatever they do inside an enterprise, have to be able to participate in collectively arriving at the decisions about what, how, where to produce, and what to do with the profits in a democratic way. One person, one vote should decide how these things are done.

The reason why we’re interested in making a transition from the top-down capitalist organization of enterprises to a radically different cooperative or democratic organization is simple: We believe the capitalist organization of production has now finished its period of usefulness in human history. It is now no longer able to deliver the goods.

It’s bringing profits and prosperity to a tiny portion of the population, and delivering not the goods but the “bads” to most people. Jobs are steadily more insecure, unemployment is high and lastingly high, benefits are increasingly being reduced, and the prospects for our children are even worse, as more of them go deeper and deeper in debt to get the degrees that do not provide them with the jobs and incomes to get out of that debt. ..................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://rdwolff.com/content/progressive-interview



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"the capitalist organization of production has now finished its period of usefulness in human histor (Original Post) marmar Apr 2014 OP
I view these issues from the perspective of an environmental biologist, not an economist. hunter Apr 2014 #1
Great post! scarletwoman Apr 2014 #2
2nd that (n/t) bread_and_roses Apr 2014 #12
Fourth paragraph is the key..... socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #4
! DeSwiss Apr 2014 #5
I'm more of a Luddite-AppropriateTechnology-Socialist sort. hunter Apr 2014 #14
D'accord. Great post. marmar Apr 2014 #16
Its all for naught w/o the championing of birth control cprise Apr 2014 #17
I see the biggest challenge is how society can keep the greedy from stealing. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #18
He's 100% correct malaise Apr 2014 #3
In ''Lifting the Veil''..... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #6
Obama's TPP free trade is a quick fix for the rich to lower labor costs below India and China nt pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #7
K&R.... daleanime Apr 2014 #8
We need a pilot project! -NT Anansi1171 Apr 2014 #9
Slowly working around to defining the problem is good, but... reducing the age to 50yr for SocSec CK_John Apr 2014 #10
They can volunteer and help the safety net. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #19
du rec. xchrom Apr 2014 #11
AutoRichardWolffDURec KG Apr 2014 #13
k&r n/t RainDog Apr 2014 #15
In other words, TBF Apr 2014 #20
Capitalism works best when there are resources to exploit. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #21

hunter

(38,310 posts)
1. I view these issues from the perspective of an environmental biologist, not an economist.
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 11:18 AM
Apr 2014

"Economic productivity," as it is currently defined, is directly correlated with the exploitation and destruction of natural resources and the abuse of working people.

A sustainable society isn't going to be based on marketing and consumerism simply because there are too many people here on Earth to support the "first world" consumer lifestyles (as we now know them) for everyone.

But that doesn't mean we must tolerate "austerity" as it is now imposed by the financial system.

If we start with the basics of universal safe comfortable housing, good food, clean air and water, appropriate medical care, 100% literacy, then there will be plenty of employment, and plenty of leisure time for all. working conditions will not be abusive.

Then wherever society goes will be determined by many diverse democratic processes. What goes away is the empire building, both financial and political. In the U.S.A., and in China, what's happened is that the political empire building has merged with the financial empire building and created a monster that abuses workers and destroys the natural environment worldwide.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
4. Fourth paragraph is the key.....
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 11:35 AM
Apr 2014

But we won't get it without socialism. Or you can call it "economic democracy" if socialism is too loaded of a word. The real question is "How to get there?"

hunter

(38,310 posts)
14. I'm more of a Luddite-AppropriateTechnology-Socialist sort.
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
Apr 2014

Oddly, my Army Air Force grandfather may have been one of the officers Jacque Fresco interacted with after he was drafted in 1942, and not in a good way.

When World War II ended the Army Air Force released all the eccentric technical people, including my grandfather.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
17. Its all for naught w/o the championing of birth control
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:42 AM
Apr 2014

A reduced work week and guaranteed access to birth control (including early-term abortion) would curb some of the worst social factors that are ailing the ecosphere.

We would have more steady income for more people, but with less consumer excess and overpopulation problems (not to mention a reduction in sexism and its associated problems).


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. I see the biggest challenge is how society can keep the greedy from stealing.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:52 AM
Apr 2014

We will always have some members of society that believe that accumulated wealth is the measure of success. Unless we can keep them under control we will have problems.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
3. He's 100% correct
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 11:29 AM
Apr 2014

It's as dead as Soviet communism but it's propped up with life support tubes - a la government subsidies for the rich.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
6. In ''Lifting the Veil''.....
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 12:07 PM
Apr 2014

...Wolff is quite candid on these same points. If we ever do go coop, it'll have to be from the top-down. I've tried it the other way and it doesn't work.

- If you have the time, it's worth a watch:

K&R

http://vimeo.com/20355767


[font color=red]It's time to wake up people.[/font]

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
10. Slowly working around to defining the problem is good, but... reducing the age to 50yr for SocSec
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 12:16 PM
Apr 2014

is the first step to solving the problem.

Workers who are "teched out" or burned out need a socially acceptable relief system.

They can go fishing, return to school, or invent the next robot in their garage.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
20. In other words,
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:56 AM
Apr 2014

We have nothing to lose but our chains, and we have a world to win.

I like Richard Wolff - he says it in a way folks today can understand. Good OP.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. Capitalism works best when there are resources to exploit.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 09:08 AM
Apr 2014

We are running out of natural resources to exploit so it's become easier to steal wealth (investment banking) than make wealth.

Stealing wealth is socially acceptable. It's considered "good business". The reason we have so many people in prison is that it is an effective way to steal the wealth of the middle class. Same goes for the defense department and banking industry.

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