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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:01 PM Apr 2014

Statue Of A Homeless Jesus Startles A Wealthy Community



A new religious statue in the town of Davidson, N.C., is unlike anything you might see in church.

The statue depicts Jesus as a vagrant sleeping on a park bench. St. Alban's Episcopal Church installed the homeless Jesus statue on its property in the middle of an upscale neighborhood filled with well-kept townhomes.

Jesus is huddled under a blanket with his face and hands obscured; only the crucifixion wounds on his uncovered feet give him away.

The reaction was immediate. Some loved it; some didn't.

"One woman from the neighborhood actually called police the first time she drove by," says David Boraks, editor of DavidsonNews.net. "She thought it was an actual homeless person."

That's right. Somebody called the cops on Jesus.

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http://www.npr.org/2014/04/13/302019921/statue-of-a-homeless-jesus-startles-a-wealthy-community
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Statue Of A Homeless Jesus Startles A Wealthy Community (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2014 OP
Unbelievable how someone would call the cops on a homeless person trying to sleep Reter Apr 2014 #1
It must have offended her sensitivities. Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #2
I do that here from time to time Warpy Apr 2014 #3
I agree here Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #95
I'm sorry to say, Never, imthevicar Apr 2014 #117
Death by cop Warpy Apr 2014 #118
Really!? imthevicar Apr 2014 #122
I have called the cops for a welfare check irisblue Apr 2014 #19
Curious about Tent City safety seveneyes Apr 2014 #111
Homeless people are illegal in some states, IIRC. Oh, no, it's FEEDING the homeless valerief Apr 2014 #39
If they look injured, or its very cold or hot, or whatever IronLionZion Apr 2014 #96
I cannot recommend this highly enough... NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #4
I agree with you... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #8
Completely agree! marew Apr 2014 #40
Because it speaks the TRUTH... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #20
I agree. It's rather amazing. Chemisse Apr 2014 #51
Hey, you! NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #52
How fabulous. I wonder how that woman feels. WhiteTara Apr 2014 #5
Wonderful. Now we need a beggar statue of Jesus on Wall Street. jwirr Apr 2014 #6
That is a fugging excellent idea! CFLDem Apr 2014 #7
Well, they've got the Merrill Lynch bull... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #18
Occupy Heaven demwing Apr 2014 #24
I'll chip in for that one. Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #64
Certainly. Maybe we will have to make it a banner to hang from a window. Wasn't there a protest jwirr Apr 2014 #101
And we have our thread winner. Brigid Apr 2014 #66
A gallows pole would be better, right next to that bull nt pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #85
Better yet: Brigid Apr 2014 #113
Bankers aren't particularly religious. nt IronLionZion Apr 2014 #97
That is for sure. jwirr Apr 2014 #100
I'd prefer one of Jesus using a whip and driving the money changers out of the temple Larkspur Apr 2014 #107
Bingo. jwirr Apr 2014 #108
Good PD Turk Apr 2014 #9
K & R malaise Apr 2014 #10
This is the nature of the total disconnect between Christ and his followers...... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #11
It goes beyond the privilege of the clergy and sits in the pews as well. Skidmore Apr 2014 #13
And which churches do you base THIS on...? regnaD kciN Apr 2014 #82
I've had plenty of contact with flocks Skidmore Apr 2014 #92
The use of the Bible to further a particular agenda... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #22
Exactly ! geretogo Apr 2014 #44
Matthew 25:40 eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #12
Welcome to DU, MohRokTah! calimary Apr 2014 #34
And for the statue to be placed in front of Wall Street: Brigid Apr 2014 #112
Hey Jesus! Get a job!! LuvLoogie Apr 2014 #14
lol Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #15
Damn hippie demwing Apr 2014 #25
wow. K&R and hope this idea spreads. Whisp Apr 2014 #16
K&R nt avebury Apr 2014 #17
I don't recall reading that Jesus as an adult EC Apr 2014 #21
That's correct.... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #23
Judas was a Publican demwing Apr 2014 #27
+1... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #35
Wrong... regnaD kciN Apr 2014 #83
You're right demwing Apr 2014 #99
More about Judas demwing Apr 2014 #30
Excellent ! geretogo Apr 2014 #42
I especially like the moneybox reference demwing Apr 2014 #45
Park benches are a snap to build and they say he was a carpenter. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #31
Matthew 8:20 Xithras Apr 2014 #81
Beat me to it. Yes, he was. But some fundie preahcers now say he was well off. Poor = Sin! n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #121
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2014 #26
suttree michijo Apr 2014 #28
Welcome to DU, michijo! calimary Apr 2014 #36
Some people believe being homeless should land you in jail. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #29
Especially if they are privatized . geretogo Apr 2014 #43
I've heard people say it's a GOOD thing for us to have prison labor.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #46
It's coming to our local communities soon , courtesy of the Koch brothers . " Work has value " ; geretogo Apr 2014 #59
That was "Arbeit Macht Frei": "Work Makes (you) Free".... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #79
Thanks for the edit . I think the plantation owners in the pre civil war South thought the same in geretogo Apr 2014 #80
Perfect. YoungDemCA Apr 2014 #32
Now, Jesus, how many times have I explained you can't sleep out here, go home, Jesus! drynberg Apr 2014 #33
This is completely unacceptable npk Apr 2014 #37
The good Christians of the community awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #38
Fortunately it's on the church's property. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2014 #47
Well, hopefully the parishioners... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #54
If you don't think this statue was pre-approved by "the parishioners"... regnaD kciN Apr 2014 #84
You're right awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #115
It's been endorsed fairly high up the food chain...the Vatican is installing one as well. MADem Apr 2014 #90
Gets the point across better than words could . Send this picture to Paul Ryan . geretogo Apr 2014 #41
Better yet, put one on his front lawn. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2014 #48
Brings to mind this song Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #49
Was this after his wife threw him out? HipChick Apr 2014 #50
What is the mayor... butterfly77 Apr 2014 #55
Doesn't anyone else think $22k could have helped some actual homeless individuals? kjones Apr 2014 #53
Well, yes and no. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #61
Except that things like that don't often seem to change minds. kjones Apr 2014 #65
It is very personal to me as well. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #67
Sometimes a powerful message can go a lot farther than its immediate expense. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2014 #70
"Dirty f/ckin' hippie." blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #56
Social Justice & Jesus Beartracks Apr 2014 #57
I think this is a good place to point out that Jesus was actually homeless baldguy Apr 2014 #58
I think Jesus would have liked it. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2014 #60
Wow classykaren Apr 2014 #91
Sooooooo stealing that!!! nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #106
What a beautiful statement and worthwhile work of art! K&R n/t passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #62
This reminds me of a story I once read. Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #63
which reminds me of a similar story somebody sent me a while back Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #73
LOL. Just as true Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #76
That is one of the reasons i like using it Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #77
Why can't God send my soul mate to my door? :pout: Curmudgeoness Apr 2014 #116
maybe the woman was asking the cops to do a welfare check. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #68
Jesus was, essentially, a homeless person agbdf Apr 2014 #69
Welcome to DU! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2014 #104
Thank you agbdf Apr 2014 #105
You found the right place! Welcome! LongTomH Apr 2014 #119
I guess some people never read Matthew 25:40. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #71
As a born again Evangelical Christian daybranch Apr 2014 #72
Well put! agbdf Apr 2014 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Egnever Apr 2014 #75
Did anybody shout "get a job, you lazy bastard!" at Homeless Jesus? Ken Burch Apr 2014 #78
Kick! Heidi Apr 2014 #86
K&R Very powerful visual message. nt UtahLib Apr 2014 #87
Sounds like Rev. David Buck actually READ the New Testament.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #88
Article from last year with pic of artist: MADem Apr 2014 #89
Do I need to say it? Enthusiast Apr 2014 #93
I love the statue Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #94
why do I think this woman was concerned about the "man" on the bench? This is my take on this secondwind Apr 2014 #98
The rich offer 30 pieces of silver to make it go away. L0oniX Apr 2014 #102
'Screw Jesus. I just want to get into Heaven. Meeee!' chrisa Apr 2014 #103
This is why I love my church wryter2000 Apr 2014 #109
Arma get it on father founding Apr 2014 #110
A lady called the police because she saw a homeless person? She didn't feel any empathy? Screwed up. tofuandbeer Apr 2014 #114
I'm going to play devil's advocate here.... AlbertCat Apr 2014 #120

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
2. It must have offended her sensitivities.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:08 PM
Apr 2014

Some folks can't handle anything not being what it should be. Some of it is foundational psychological issues. Others can't have the facade of how the would should be removed from their eyes.

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
3. I do that here from time to time
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:09 PM
Apr 2014

when a homeless person has passed out on the sidewalk or on the street instead of under a tree. The desert gets blisteringly hot in summer and being down and out in full sun can be fatal.

The cops will do the welfare check and take him to the hospital. If he wakes up and can walk, they'll offer to call a van from one of the missions.

They usually don't shoot them like they shot Boyd.

ETA: I think this statue is pure genius, bringing "the least of these" to upper middle class suburbia which clearly needs a reminder.

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
95. I agree here
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:26 AM
Apr 2014

I live in NYC so don't usually call the cops on the homeless I see sleeping. But there have been two instances when I thought it was possible that the homeless person was possibly injured or sick (sleeping on the sidewalk on the curb in one instance), so I did call the police. Not to get them in trouble, but I thought that they would have access to medical resources that I do not. It's POSSIBLE that this complaint was made in that vein (though unlikely).

Regardless, I agree that the art is genius and serves the very purpose you state. People need that reminder.

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
117. I'm sorry to say, Never,
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:45 PM
Apr 2014

Will I ever, call a cop for that kind of "service". Police are not required to "Protect" any more. Rarely today is their any situation, that can be made better by the introduction of the Police into it. 10 years ago I would agree with you completely, However that time has passed.

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
122. Really!?
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:41 AM
Apr 2014

You would rather be remembered as some Crazy Mother Effer, who Pulled a Gun on a Cop, and tried to Kill one of our brave boys in blue
(Cause that is how the Narrative would spin.) than As the Poor soul who died of heat stroke!? Fuck That!

irisblue

(32,950 posts)
19. I have called the cops for a welfare check
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:44 PM
Apr 2014

on a few people who were propped up against a post. There is a tent city about a mile from here, and I couldn't tell if they were alive or not as I drove past. I didn't stop myself to check, I'm a fairly short, semi disabled middle aged female and I had to consider my own safety. Both times in the that year that I've called, I was late to work b/c I pulled around and waited till the cops showed up. I usually have an extra bottle or two of water in my car and I did hand them to the guys when the cops got them up. This year I'll add a couple of granola bars just in case.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
111. Curious about Tent City safety
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:25 PM
Apr 2014

You mentioned that you had to consider your own safety if you went to Tent City. What is the danger?

valerief

(53,235 posts)
39. Homeless people are illegal in some states, IIRC. Oh, no, it's FEEDING the homeless
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 03:37 PM
Apr 2014

that's illegal.

IronLionZion

(45,403 posts)
96. If they look injured, or its very cold or hot, or whatever
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:41 AM
Apr 2014

The cops would have them checked out by medical staff and take them to a shelter, especially if they are from out of town and don't know where to go.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. I cannot recommend this highly enough...
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:10 PM
Apr 2014

I can't even list all the reasons that I find this to be an important work and statement.

Wow.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
8. I agree with you...
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:47 PM
Apr 2014

I think it is extremely powerful and brilliant in its execution. (No pun intended.)

TYY

marew

(1,588 posts)
40. Completely agree!
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 03:41 PM
Apr 2014

"This is my simple religion. No need for temples. No need for complicated philosophy. Your own mind, your own heart is the temple. Your philosophy is simple kindness.”
― Dalai Lama

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
20. Because it speaks the TRUTH...
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:47 PM
Apr 2014

...all one has to do is read the passage about the rich and the camel going through the needle's eye, and that pretty much sums up what He though of the well-off.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
52. Hey, you!
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:30 PM
Apr 2014

Nice to hear from you

It's remarkable, it speaks to the homeless challenge, one that is growing at a heartbreaking rate, and challenges the "holier than thou" groups to reconsider their hypocrisy.

It's subtle, it's powerful, it needs to be seen and heard.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
18. Well, they've got the Merrill Lynch bull...
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:43 PM
Apr 2014

...with it's rear end pointed towards Avenue of the Americas, where most of Big Media is headquartered.

Maybe THAT explains it...

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
101. Certainly. Maybe we will have to make it a banner to hang from a window. Wasn't there a protest
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:36 AM
Apr 2014

sign they did that with?

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
107. I'd prefer one of Jesus using a whip and driving the money changers out of the temple
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 11:24 AM
Apr 2014

with the caption from Matthew 19:24 -- "... it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"

That is a statue I'd contribute there.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
11. This is the nature of the total disconnect between Christ and his followers......
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:57 PM
Apr 2014

Most of the followers of Jesus' teachings over time have been poor and outcast. Of course there have been the very privileged clergy and church bureaucrats that have lived a life of luxury. But if you look back over the last 2000 years that is the case.

Today, however, we have secular communities of very wealthy individuals who attempt to justify their wealth through the concept of the prosperity Gospel. This is at least in some part the same community that used the Bible to justify slavery, child labor and certainly today homophobia.

These people have, no doubt, some form of religious faith. There are some like most of the televangelists who I believe are secretly agnostic or atheists but they see an opportunity to milk the meek and stupid of their money. But these with money have some form of faith...and I will give them that this is sincere.

The problem is they read, or don't read, the words of the New Testament and freak out. What? Jesus says it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven? Jesus, their idol, hung out with prostitutes, the poor and hungry, the outcasts of society. What? That can't be right.

So they build a fantasy of cherry picking from the Old and New Testaments to justify their bigotry and practices of engaging in business practices that harm others.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
13. It goes beyond the privilege of the clergy and sits in the pews as well.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:00 PM
Apr 2014

The flocks are not passive but are active participants.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
82. And which churches do you base THIS on...?
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:48 AM
Apr 2014

I get the feeling that you don't have many encounters with "the flocks" you so pigeonhole.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
92. I've had plenty of contact with flocks
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:26 AM
Apr 2014

over the years and of more than one religion. I've seen more than enough from evangelical fervor to liturgical repititions in more traditional practices. My experience is of the flocks is that they are just that--flocks. Sitting silently in the face of wrongdoing by clergy or unquestioningly following. There are sins of omission as well as commission. Yes, they do sit in the pews as well. I have observed this as a child and an adult until the point where I decided not to participate in religions.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
22. The use of the Bible to further a particular agenda...
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:49 PM
Apr 2014

...is as old as the Bible itself, from the Council of Nicea through the Reformation and to today.

And the "prosperity Gospel" is particularly galling to me, because it's the exact OPPOSITE of what Christ taught and embodied.

Time to call out the charlatans and turn off their transmissions.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
34. Welcome to DU, MohRokTah!
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 03:21 PM
Apr 2014

Glad you're here! I don't know what else can be said in a post to top what NYC_SKP posted upthread a little. I cannot even begin to count the ways that this imaging of Jesus is FREAKIN' SHRIEKIN' BRILLIANT!!!!!!

But let me just say that YOUR post is also brilliant in its simplicity and total hit-one-outta-the-ballpark truth!
Matthew 25:40
New International Version (NIV)
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25:40

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
16. wow. K&R and hope this idea spreads.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:19 PM
Apr 2014

Some people get angry at this sort of art and at the idea behind it because they can't handle their hypocrisy and so lash out. It's guilt combined with confusion because we all basically know what is right and wrong but do a lot of squirming about it.

A lot of very stupid, selfish guilty people out there. You don't have to give away all your worldly possessions to the poor, just not condemning the poor and recognizing the problem is a good start.

EC

(12,287 posts)
21. I don't recall reading that Jesus as an adult
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:47 PM
Apr 2014

ever had a home. Wasn't he a vagrant living in camps with his apostles? Instead of a park bench, I'm guessing he would have slept on a matt (that he rolled up and carried with him) on the ground or directly on the ground.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
23. That's correct....
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 01:52 PM
Apr 2014

...he's been described as an "itinerant" preacher, traveling with the apostles and living either in camps or doing the equivalent of "sofa hopping" at people's homes.

Remember: Judas was the treasurer of that group. Think about it.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
83. Wrong...
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:50 AM
Apr 2014

The "publican" called by Jesus is alternately referred to as Matthew or Levi, not Judas. Nothing of the latter's call or previous identity is mentioned in the Gospels.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
99. You're right
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 07:50 AM
Apr 2014

Matthew was the despicable publican, Judas was merely the traiterous thief.

Interesting band of disciples

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
30. More about Judas
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 02:34 PM
Apr 2014

John 12:3-6:

3 Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil. 4 Then one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, who would betray Him, said, 5 "Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it.


http://www.biblestudytools.com/nkjv/john/passage.aspx?q=john+12:3-6

Republicans are just the return of the Publicans
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
45. I especially like the moneybox reference
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:07 PM
Apr 2014

the first thing I think of is the Social Security lockbox. Same thing, and rePublicans want to control it (privatize it) so they dip into it, like a modern Judas.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
81. Matthew 8:20
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:08 AM
Apr 2014
And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”

According to his own words, Jesus was homeless.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
36. Welcome to DU, michijo!
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 03:25 PM
Apr 2014

Good to have you with us! This is probably my favorite thread of the day. No - the week. No - maybe the whole month, or year! Certainly the most bedrock-fundamental.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
46. I've heard people say it's a GOOD thing for us to have prison labor....
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:09 PM
Apr 2014

They feel "those people" are lazy and owe us some of their labor.

It teaches them a trade and that work has value.

Of course, these same types don't believe a housewife should be paid.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
59. It's coming to our local communities soon , courtesy of the Koch brothers . " Work has value " ;
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 06:40 PM
Apr 2014

Isn't that whats written on the sign to the entrance to Auschwitz concentration camp ?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
79. That was "Arbeit Macht Frei": "Work Makes (you) Free"....
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 10:44 PM
Apr 2014

Everyone I've met who rail about the virtue of work dream of being rich so they'll never have to work again.

Oh,....and they also claim the rich work harder than we do and don't see the contradiction.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
80. Thanks for the edit . I think the plantation owners in the pre civil war South thought the same in
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 11:34 PM
Apr 2014

regards to the blacks too . The justifications used by the right to climb over any one they see as
having less value seem to be endless .

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
33. Now, Jesus, how many times have I explained you can't sleep out here, go home, Jesus!
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 03:12 PM
Apr 2014

Oh yeah, I could see it happening...more than a little scary...

npk

(3,660 posts)
37. This is completely unacceptable
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 03:27 PM
Apr 2014

Everyone knows that Jesus was rich and lived in the suburbs of Jerusalem and died on the cross for all the wealthiest among us and their sins. Read a book people.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
47. Fortunately it's on the church's property.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:13 PM
Apr 2014

It's a brilliant work. There should be one of these sculptures in front of every church where the members take their faith seriously.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
84. If you don't think this statue was pre-approved by "the parishioners"...
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 12:53 AM
Apr 2014

...you have very little knowledge of the Episcopal Church.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
90. It's been endorsed fairly high up the food chain...the Vatican is installing one as well.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 02:45 AM
Apr 2014
?itok=aU8dqtf0

Pope Francis blesses one of Canadian Timothy Schmalz's sculptures of "Jesus the Homeless" during his Nov. 20 general audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican. The Vatican plans to install the bronze piece near Vatican Radio in memory of a homeless woman who died in the cold. (CNS/L'Osservatore Romano)

http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/homeless-jesus-provokes-debate-what-it-means-be-christian

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
50. Was this after his wife threw him out?
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:17 PM
Apr 2014

Bad week for Jesus....accused of having a wife, and now being depicted as being homeless

kjones

(1,053 posts)
53. Doesn't anyone else think $22k could have helped some actual homeless individuals?
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:54 PM
Apr 2014

Seems like it would have been a good opportunity to put some Jesus-ly teaching into practice rather than on exhibit.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
61. Well, yes and no.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 06:57 PM
Apr 2014

Remember the old saying?

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

Well, doing that will keep people thinking for a lot longer about how to help for longer than the 22k would have lasted. We need to find a fix. And as long as the problem stays up front, people will start thinking that way instead of just patches.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
65. Except that things like that don't often seem to change minds.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 07:32 PM
Apr 2014

Pretty much everyone with opinions on something like this, already
had the opinion before. There's no 'Scrooge' moment where people
look at it and go, "Wow, I've been wrong for so long, I should get
on board and help people less fortunate than myself!"

People who are going to help generally don't need an excuse, and
people who aren't generally aren't going to be convinced, particularly
by a statue they apparently are disturbed by (for the record, I like the
statue, I just disagree with presenting it some sort of morally positive
act in an of itself).

Beyond that, we have constant reminders everywhere already that
we should look out for the less fortunate, first and foremost, those
that need the help. That it takes homeless Jesus to convince anyone
to care about real homelessness etc is depressing.

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by "Give a man a fish...".
That charity is "Giving a fish"? I don't know, I missed the point.

Regardless, I know that frozen and starving people can't very well "fish."
That's what charity is about, giving to those who, in whatever sense,
cannot currently "fish". Either way, 22k can buy a lot of fish and/or a lot
of whatever it takes to teach someone to fish.

Of course, I've never liked the idea that those who are down on their luck
simply don't know how to "fish."

Anyway, I just happen to disagree, and that's the way I see it. It's something
personal to me, so I hope you don't take offense.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
67. It is very personal to me as well.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 07:44 PM
Apr 2014

And what I mean is that society itself needs to come up with more to help.

You can give a person a blanket and one hot meal, but that will not solve the problem.

Things like this picks at conscious over time. And Charity is not the answer. We need reform in Government.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
70. Sometimes a powerful message can go a lot farther than its immediate expense.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:08 PM
Apr 2014

Maybe the sculpture will make many people think, and ultimately do far more charitable things than the cost of the statute.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
58. I think this is a good place to point out that Jesus was actually homeless
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 06:28 PM
Apr 2014

and unemployed, too.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
63. This reminds me of a story I once read.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 07:11 PM
Apr 2014

Short version....A wealthy woman is expecting Jesus for dinner. While she is preparing everything to be perfect, a child knocks begging for food and she chases her away saying she is too busy. Then a homeless man knocks on the door, and again she tells him to leave because she is so busy and expecting a special guest. Then a bag lady knocks, and she gets upset and yells at her to hurry up and get out of the area so her guest will not see her.

She waits and waits, and as midnight approaches, she chastises Jesus for not showing up. He answers her that he came three times, and three times she told him to leave.

Bodhi BloodWave

(2,346 posts)
73. which reminds me of a similar story somebody sent me a while back
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:53 PM
Apr 2014

its not the short version though :p (I've used it a number of times when it comes to some of my lazier Christian friends, usually with this saying at the end as a reason for em to actually start acting: God helps those that helps themselves)

A terrible storm came into a town and local officials sent out an emergency warning that the riverbanks would soon overflow and flood the nearby homes. They ordered everyone in the town to evacuate immediately.

A faithful Christian man heard the warning and decided to stay, saying to himself, “I will trust God and if I am in danger, then God will send a divine miracle to save me.”

The neighbors came by his house and said to him, “We’re leaving and there is room for you in our car, please come with us!” But the man declined. “I have faith that God will save me.”

As the man stood on his porch watching the water rise up the steps, a man in a canoe paddled by and called to him, “Hurry and come into my canoe, the waters are rising quickly!” But the man again said, “No thanks, God will save me.”

The floodwaters rose higher pouring water into his living room and the man had to retreat to the second floor. A police motorboat came by and saw him at the window. “We will come up and rescue you!” they shouted. But the man refused, waving them off saying, “Use your time to save someone else! I have faith that God will save me!”

The flood waters rose higher and higher and the man had to climb up to his rooftop.

A helicopter spotted him and dropped a rope ladder. A rescue officer came down the ladder and pleaded with the man, "Grab my hand and I will pull you up!" But the man STILL refused, folding his arms tightly to his body. “No thank you! God will save me!”

Shortly after, the house broke up and the floodwaters swept the man away and he drowned.

When in Heaven, the man stood before God and asked, “I put all of my faith in You. Why didn’t You come and save me?”

And God said, “Son, I sent you a warning, a car, a canoe, a motorboat and a helicopter but you refused them all.”

Bodhi BloodWave

(2,346 posts)
77. That is one of the reasons i like using it
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 09:56 PM
Apr 2014

on my earlier mentioned friends and such.

Some humor often helps soothe bruised egos

Its also logical enough that it makes people think about the 'moral' of it even if they didn't plan to(most of the time anyhow), and anything that makes people think is a net positive in my book.

Far to many people i know as religious(even if i don't really know them personally) are quite hands off on things, asking god for help on this and that then not doing anything about it themselves which is my mind is silly.

Its kinda like if you asked me for help moving some heavy furniture then sat back and watched me move it all by myself, that wouldn't be me helping you, that would be me doing the bleedin work for you.(which is their attitude)

A proper example of it might be that if you are looking for a girlfriend, sure ask God for help in finding love, but you should be out seeking as well as its extremely unlikely that he would send your soul mate to your door

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
116. Why can't God send my soul mate to my door? :pout:
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:35 PM
Apr 2014

He could, if he wanted to. Jeez! But you are right, so many people use praying INSTEAD of action to accomplish something. And of course, nothing gets accomplished.....but they should feel good about themselves.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
68. maybe the woman was asking the cops to do a welfare check.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 07:56 PM
Apr 2014

Thinking it was someone in need of help.




Very powerful artwork. Like a Tolstoy story.

 

agbdf

(200 posts)
69. Jesus was, essentially, a homeless person
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:01 PM
Apr 2014

He also eschewed materiel possessions and materialism. He traveled among the poorest, sickest and most unappreciated of society's people. He preached love and helping the less fortunate.

This statue is a fitting monument.

 

agbdf

(200 posts)
105. Thank you
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 10:15 AM
Apr 2014

I'm so happy to be here. I've been involved in helping to elect Democrats most of my adult life.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
119. You found the right place! Welcome!
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 07:04 PM
Apr 2014

Now help us with some of our more difficult 'Third Way' brethren!

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
71. I guess some people never read Matthew 25:40.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:10 PM
Apr 2014

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


King James Version (KJV)

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
72. As a born again Evangelical Christian
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

I thank the commenters here for expressing a thoughtful consideration of Christianity. i may myself be less charitable than many of you with those who forget the words of Jesus to help the poor. I actually see this as the guiding principle for all political discourse and question why that question is not the end in every political discussion. I fervently believe that prosperity in spirit and in life is achieved only by helping those in need. It is the true win-win situation.

Response to n2doc (Original post)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
78. Did anybody shout "get a job, you lazy bastard!" at Homeless Jesus?
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 09:59 PM
Apr 2014

And has Pat Robertson blamed teh gay for Him yet?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
93. Do I need to say it?
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:27 AM
Apr 2014

This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Come on, people, we're several short of hundreds!

"That's right. Somebody called the cops on Jesus."

A typical Republican was heard to say, "Jesus was a lazy moocher. Who knew?"

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
94. I love the statue
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:23 AM
Apr 2014

and I think that it's great it startled people in the community. People need to wake up from their small world reality, sometimes, and that's what art does.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
103. 'Screw Jesus. I just want to get into Heaven. Meeee!'
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:57 AM
Apr 2014

Am I wrong that this is the prevailing attitude in modern Christianity? How many of those people go to church because they've bought into the fire-brand version of God, or think that God will like them more and answer their prayers first?

I wonder if we'll actually try real Christianity some day and not the self-serving abomination it is today? Even the Vatican is a symbol of excessive, unnecessary wealth. It's like nobody cares what Jesus said - they're content with "Strawman Jesus," a corporate executive who loves wealth, capitalism, and kicking dirt in homeless peoples' faces.

This isn't a Christian nation. It's the opposite.

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
109. This is why I love my church
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 11:54 AM
Apr 2014

I'd attend my Episcopal church if I were a confirmed atheist. And I'd be welcome, too.

tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
114. A lady called the police because she saw a homeless person? She didn't feel any empathy? Screwed up.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 01:09 PM
Apr 2014
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
120. I'm going to play devil's advocate here....
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:09 PM
Apr 2014

"That's right. Somebody called the cops on Jesus. "

No they didn't. Look at that pic. Would you know it was Jesus is you hadn't been told? I doubt she saw the stigmata on the feet if she couldn't even tell it was a statue.

And the other thing is.... This is Davidson, NC. A college town.(a college that costs a lot to go to, BTW) It is not urban at all. There are no high rise buildings in sight. It is the manicured lawns of the College and the surrounding suburbia. A homeless person sleeping on a bench would be a very rare sight there.

You'd think the entire community had gone ballistic over this statue from the posts here.


C'mon guys! There are plenty of complaints to make about the GOP and selfish people with some money without having to make up stuff.


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