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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 01:25 PM Apr 2014

Interesting visit with my SIL, a former school principal/administrator, re: CC and home school

Last edited Mon Apr 14, 2014, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

A couple of interesting things to point out; Southern Baptist. Raised her three kids super-religious, although hubby was a NASA scientist who created rocket fuels. Very active in their church. She admitted to us -- "Shh, don't ever tell the kids" (no problem, 100% certain they're not reading DU) that now that the kids are all grown and moved out they actually enjoy a nice bottle of wine with dinner every now and then. This was a big deal to her. When we used to visit for Thanksgiving or Christmas, it was lemonade and iced tea. Alcohol was never allowed in the house. Every radio station was pre-programmed to a Christian station (lots of them in Florida). Every piece of artwork in the house had a bible verse on it.

Anyway, she started as an elementary school teacher, worked her way up to a middle school principal, then eventually into an administrative position with the school department (whatever they call it in Florida). Shortly after Rick Scott got into office she chose to retire early. She said the atmosphere in Florida schools (hi, Jeb!) had become so toxic that she no longer felt she was helping to educate students, just working the system.

We got into a discussion about Common Core and home schooling. Wow! She HATES Common Core (hi, Jeb!). And one of her daughters took the religious ball and ran with it, and is home-schooling all five of her children (includes a set of twins). Drives my SIL nuts. She obviously loves her daughter, but daughter went to college to become a music teacher. She plays violin, never did all that well in math or science. But because of the church -- they hate the horrible liberal stuff being taught in public schools, even though it's Florida -- they are home schooling kids ranging in age from first graders to middle schoolers. She recognized the lunacy of a violin teacher trying to educate five kids by herself. She was quite distraught about it but has the Mom "What can I do?" attitude. Have to let them live their lives. It is pretty amazing watching my niece at holidays trying to deal with the five kids. She basically doesn't. She's alone with them 24/7, and at family gatherings she just tunes them out.

Her mom has a right to be worried. I know many DUers like to home school their children, and I suppose in some ways it's better than Common Core...but at least with Common Core they're able to see if a kid learned anything. As my SIL pointed out, she doesn't feel the five kids are really learning much. Lots of play dates and church time. But how is a violin teacher teaching them math and science?

Oh well. No real point in this other than that it was a fascinating visit and I thought I'd share my perspective.

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laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
1. I know moms worry a lot
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:02 PM
Apr 2014

(being a mom of 4 myself, I get it) but I know someone who went through the same thing - hard core Christian religious homeschooling (and her mom didn't even have a high school diploma!) and she did alright for herself, is currently in year 3 of a business degree. I asked her about homeschooling and she said her mom taught her how to learn, so that by the time they were in middle school, they did their own learning, their mom didn't teach them anything. Their mom just made sure the work was done. My friend is not religious at all, and is 'normal' in every sense of the word (she's been through a divorce, then was living in sin, got pregnant, became a single parent when the BF split, is currently living in sin with her new bf) and one of the nicest people I know (she was my youngest daughter's caregiver and was the best caregiver on earth. Seriously.) Oh, and she's planning on putting her kids in public school, LOL. Her siblings are all pretty much like her too - either have or are getting degrees, none are particularly religious...

There are many different ways to homeschool so I can't say whether your SIL's daughter is going to ruin her kids or not...but just know that a parent doesn't necessarily have to have a degree in everything to teach that subject properly - they just need to teach their kids how to learn on their own.

woodsprite

(11,908 posts)
2. IMO, much of this homeschooling is just dumbing down the population.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:18 PM
Apr 2014

I'm college educated, but I would never pretend to know enough to teach my kids beyond elementary school or at least 6th grade for all subjects. I can write circles around people, but I hated math with a passion and only took business college math courses. My daughter had 2 yrs of chemistry in high school and has had 3 yrs in college. There is no way I could have prepared her for that or the advanced math she took in HS. My son is in 8th grade and doing trigonometry already. Again, no way could I do that without sitting through all of his classes with him. He'll be moving into Calculus next year. Can't help him there either. We have struck up a long term relationship with the math tutor to have his questions answered.

I have a bunch of fundy friends who cry "Not everyone needs a college education." And that's true, but my goal is to have smarter generations going forward, not dumbed down generations. I'm sure some homeschoolers do well and I know there are resources out there for them. I have friends who are homeschooling -- one seems to be doing fine so far (trained in education, has daughter enrolled in outside group activities as well as what she does at home). Then there are the ones who don't -- my other friend has a high school diploma. Said God will show her the way to teach her 5 kids.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
3. Parents are not the teacher in Home Schooling, they are teacher's assistants
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:27 PM
Apr 2014

Teachers are assigned to your home school students along with regular homework assignments. It is the parents job to make sure the student follows the assignments and does the work. If there is something that neither the student nor the parent understands the real teacher is only a free phone call away. The assignments are mailed off to be graded by the teacher and any test given are created by the teacher or are standardized. All the parent does is make sure the students are working.

woodsprite

(11,908 posts)
4. That sounds like what my one friend may be doing in FL with her daughter,
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:36 PM
Apr 2014

but the other friend in NC (the one with more kids) seems to be winging it with curriculum, jumping from one to the other like a jackrabbit depending on how 'fun' it is. They have a family-run church and this 'school' is supposedly part of that. The only kids 'enrolled' are their own. I'll have to ask her how state testing is figuring into her lessons. I know that in some areas, religious schools were exempt from some of the state testing. Don't know if that's how it is there or not. I know when we used to get together, her kids seemed really far behind my son and his cousins (all about the same age ranges).

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
5. WE home schooled our children once upon a time
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:50 PM
Apr 2014

It was very organized but we did have some leeway on how the subjects were studied. Often we would do a whole quarter of math in a week and get it out of the way and then do a quarter of science. It seemed to be easier than doing an hour of english, then an hour of math, and then an hour of science, etc. We just couldn't stay organized doing it that way. We would do an entire section of math, send it off to be graded and then do English or ??? It worked best for us that way anyway..

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
6. None of the parents (southern baptists) who I know are home-schooling their kids have a "teacher"
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:52 PM
Apr 2014

that steps in. The ones I know in NC do it all themselves, and join with civic-league and home-school-organizations for sports and music lessons.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
8. you're saying parents aren't the teacher
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:27 PM
Apr 2014

but you're also saying that parents are doing the teaching.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
7. I only know of one lady that home schooled her children right....
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:22 PM
Apr 2014

Yes she was CC but she had a Masters in Education. They arranged for field trips with other home schoolers so they were not so isolated. Also, her husband was an artist and they traveled too. She didn't half step with the education either but she had 5 kids. You have more resources with public school but if done right, home school can be a good thing.

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