"The Jews are our main and most formidable enemies."

[Behind the Aegis]

Anti-Semitism: The oldest hatred, forever young

Most of the hate crimes in the United States don’t take the fatal form that the shootings in Kansas over the weekend did, and most aren’t perpetrated by villains as bloated with rage and blinded by conspiracy theories as the person accused in this case, Frazier Glenn Miller. He’s an extreme, not an emblem.

This is someone who went on Howard Stern’s radio show four years ago (why, Howard, did you even hand him that megaphone?) and called Adolf Hitler “the greatest man who ever walked the earth.” When Stern asked Miller whether he had more intense antipathy for Jews or for blacks (why that question?), Miller chose the Jews, definitely the Jews, “a thousand times more,” he said.

“Compared to our Jewish problem, all other problems are mere distractions,” he declaimed, and he apparently wasn’t just spouting off. He was gearing up.

On Sunday, according to the police, he drove to a Jewish community center in Overland Park, Kan., and opened fire, then moved on to a nearby Jewish retirement home and did the same. Three people were killed.

They were Christian, as it happens. When hatred is loosed, we’re all in the crossfire.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/04/16/3151348/anti-semitism-the-oldest-hatred.html?sp=/99/447/#storylink=cpy

[leftynyc]

1. I'm waking up to this

and to that "we don't know if it's real" letter about Jews registering in Donetsk. Just in time for Holy Week (historically a bad time for Jews). It's depressing.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. Depressing, yes. But, oh so fucking predictable.

You just know there are some biting at the chomp to blame Israel or some other "Jew conspiracy." I almost wonder, "will we be punished because that fucking moron didn't manage to kill a single Jew?"

[leftynyc]

10. I hadn't thought of that

There are no doubt those who will be very upset that the victims (may they rest in peace) were not Jews.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. And as predicted, the letter is an Israeli false flag.

Some things never fucking change.

[leftynyc]

19. What letter?

What did I miss?

[Behind the Aegis]

20. From this...

just read: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=782454

[leftynyc]

26. Ah - THAT letter

Absolutely chilling.

[Behind the Aegis]

27. Apparently, it is "bad" but worthy of mocking those who aren't putting it off as a joke.

See, anti-Semitism is not really that important and expressions of it are just fodder for anti-Israel/ADL/Jewish leaders remarks. Apparently, we are making this "Holocaust 2.0".

[leftynyc]

28. Yeah - I'm seeing too much of that crap

on here by people who would rather blame PNAC. Given the history of the area and its people, I would get the fuck out NOW. I JUST saw reported on MSNBC that John Kerry isn't denying it at all and has commented on it. Are they going to now say our SOS is a liar and part of PNAC?

[Behind the Aegis]

29. Oh yes, John Kerry is a liar, stupid, naive...I am sure I left a slur out.

Every one of those words have been used for Kerry in regards to this situation. It is "funny" to see some using Jewish sources to "downplay" the situation. Since this crap has taken place in Ukraine, it has been a constant shitstorm of "no, that isn't/is anti-Semitism," or "it's the Ukrainians, the Russians are pure as the driven snow". It doesn't matter one way or the other, it is using anti-Semitism to meet their goals, but they immediately turn around and claim it is the Jews who are using it to their advantage.

[leftynyc]

30. I'm having that very discussion

on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024836207

Could it be fake? Of course. Would I wait to find out? No...I'd be a blur as I was heading for the exits. The ignoring of the history of the area is very disturbing (but not unexpected).

[Behind the Aegis]

31. But isn't it "touching" to see the "care" some have in regards to Jews?

Isn't it 'interesting' they are so concerned that if this is real or if something were to come from it, that "suddenly' the West would rush in to protect the Jews?! Yeah, that is so gonna happen. NOT! But, let's pretend military action did take place...it would be labeled another "war for the Jews."

[leftynyc]

36. There would be nothing new

about that. Both Iraq wars were apparently fought for Israel and the Jews (I still haven't figured out the reasoning on that bullshit). Along with the "care" I'm seeing for the Jews is the complete and total disregard for the history of the region - so eager to proclaim the letter a fake because that would upset their narrative. So, of course, they trot out Harretz who merely say it "could" be a fake. And if it's not a fake? Well, they don't have anything to say about that.

[mylye2222]

43. I bet very soon we will hear the RW Hyens says John Kerry is as naive as a child!

Or that he was " for denouncing antisemitic letter before he was against it!"

[Enthusiast]

3. Some people will believe anything.

That is why inflammatory rhetoric should never be encouraged by the RW media. But no matter what happens the RW media will never take responsibility.

[joshcryer]

4. Putin literally called E. Ukraine Novorossiya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya

Ukraine is fucking fucked.

[Skittles]

5. that is correct

I have never met anyone who gives me the chills / creeps like gun humping racist assholes do

[SQUEE]

14. And people like that are why I arm myself, and my family

All I need is to look at the forearms of the elderly at my shul, and to see my Oma's pictures of her family before the Shoa, to know we must always remember, must always shine the light on these hateful and small people, expose their propaganda and hatred, never back down or be cowed by their lies, their threats or their actions. And be prepared and unafraid to meet their violence.

Antisemitism is rising again throughout the world, here in America we have made a mistake of looking at them as crackpots and laughable fools... I can not take that view, Never Forget is not just words in my home.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

6. big mouth, big ego, small brain, small penis, big gun. . .Racist gun humper.

[Nevernose]

8. You know this will be alerted on

And probably hidden. But I agree 100%.

[GoneFishin]

9. It appears 100% true.

[66 dmhlt]

11. Seriously - why would that post be Alerted? (Much less Hidden)

[Orrex]

12. Some here object to the gun/penis imagery (nt)

[Nanjing to Seoul]

13. I got a post hidden earlier today because I called gun humpers "pro-murder" and "anti-life."

Gun humpers don't like having their NRA approved talking points challenged, so they gun like children to the jury.

I've had four posts hidden in the past three weeks and most were about gun humpers.

[The Straight Story]

34. How do you define gun humper? (nt)

[Nanjing to Seoul]

35. Anyone who thinks gun control is meaningless, uses NRA talking points, thinks the gun is more

important than the victim and feels that they are personally be targeted when people like me get tired of American getting killed everyday these murder enablers.

Oh, and the ones who scream for knife, car and hammer bans because those things kill people too.

[The Straight Story]

37. Hmmmm

We do have gun control laws in this country currently. Are you thinking that any gun law proposed which is opposed by someone would earn them that title?

'talking points' - yeah, I could care less to label points people make. I can't stand a lot of groups (nra is one) but that doesn't mean a point is owned by them if they also hold one I might. It also does not make a point invalid if you happen to not like some who hold it. Basically, yelling 'talking points' doesn't really address anything at all.

It is not the guns that are so important but the freedom of people to own certain things. When people 'scream' about knives/cars/etc it is not those things they want banned but are simply pointing out how using a certain argument in one situation looks when applied to others which are similar (ie, cause accidents and deaths in a relatively similar statistical way - like less than one percent who own guns harm others with them which means that over ninety-nine percent don't do anything wrong with them. That same percentage applies to any number of things one might own).

A good discussion starts and continues on when people have a similar starting base (we don't want all of x to be removed from fellow citizens, we have problem y, so let's examine the application of z and evaluate). None of which require the calling of people names.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

41. i'm not the only person who uses gun humpers on DU. Some say gundamentalist

I support John Paul Stevens's idea of the 2nd amendment. The Founding Fathers did not envision automatic weapons, 12 bullet magazine and the murder implements we have today.

As for opposed gun laws. . .yes, I would. The gun is more important than public safety. The access to murder devices is more important than the children at Newtown, or any other mass shooting. Countries with sensible gun control laws have less murder. Canada, South Korea, Britain, France. Even where I live. . .China.

As for our gun control laws. . .they seem to be working well. Because they are all NRA approved.

[The Straight Story]

45. Didn't mean to imply you were the only one, I have seen plenty

John Paul Steven's, imho, is a little out there on the issue. The FF didn't envision most of the things we have or can do today.

See, here you call guns 'murder devices' which would be like someone calling abortion doctors 'murder doctors' (and some folks do)- adds nothing to the conversation (and target shooting doesn't murder anything, etc).

Gun control laws do seem to be working - people using them in ways we don't like go to jail or get punished in some other way and less than one percent of people that own guns use them in a responsible way (may not seem like that when all you see is one side of an issue but it's like I tell my rw friends, not all muslims are named osama and are terrorists even if fox news tries to make you think they are).

Overall folks like you and me who might be on the opposite side of the issue in general can keep things pretty civil if we try (and as I have noted elsewhere I don't own a gun myself but would like the option to have the freedom to do so). I see things as guns are but another tool that many use for hunting, sport, collecting, self defense (and those stories are not allowed in GD so you won't be seeing them). Others see guns and want the government to take them all and only allow a few wealthy people and those in power to be allowed to own them and see their fellow humans who own them as the enemy (again, based on what less than a percent do with them). I can see where they might feel that way (ie, get rid of them and rely on government employees with guns to defend them) given that when you compute the about 0.6 percent of idiots who harm others with guns the number goes up with population and the news only covers those people (vs the close to fifty million stories a day they could cover of owners who do nothing wrong, which is boring to news agencies).

The core of the discussion is about fundamental rights to me and letting the misuse by a few result in the loss of rights for the many.

[Heidi]

7. Kick!

[backscatter712]

15. People were arguing about death penalty methods.

I say that for this guy, picking the method is easy. He's a Nazi, isn't he?

Gas chamber.

I'm a fan of poetic justice. With any luck, his execution will resemble a certain recent scene from Game of Thrones, and he'll become known as the Purple Nazi.

[newfie11]

16. What I don't understand

Don't these idiots realize Jesus was a Jew.
Why do they hate Jews? This is crazy!
Most of them seem to profess to be of some kind of religion.

[Raksha]

22. Their Bible tells them the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus,

that they insisted on the death penalty, even over the objections of that great "humanitarian" Pontius Pilate, who claimed he could find "no fault with this man. But in the real world, as opposed to that work of historical fiction known as the New Testament, Pontius Pilate was recalled as governor of Judea for excessive cruelty.

It actually goes downhill from there. It is orthodox Christianity that is THE single greatest cause of anti-Semitism, even the secular or "racial" version of it. I don't care if I get this post pulled or hidden for saying so. It's true, and all Jews know it whether they say it in so many words or not.

[newfie11]

40. +infinity!!!

[Skraxx]

18. Gratuitous Howard slam in the article. Howard did the right thing, these guys need to be exposed

Shine a light on them and let everyone see their hatred.

After being on Howard saying the things he did, he should have been on someone's radar.

It wasn't Howard who dropped the ball here, he exposed this guy a long time ago, and these peoople NEED to be exposed.

[kelliekat44]

21. These people need to be locked up, period!! nt

[fujiyama]

23. Crimes like this just make me physically ill

I'm glad he was immediately captured.

It's pretty clear that some of these freaks just cannot stand to see a nation that is overall more tolerant. The demographic changes really seem to threaten some people's perceptions of the world.

Fortunately, I think they and their kind are dying out...but we need to remain vigilant. It feels like there has been a resurgence of insanity over the last several years (combined with increased paranoia and gun fetishism).

What's clear is that the hatred of Jews will forever remain a sad constant in the state of human affairs. I will never for the life of me understand any of this hatred...

[RiffRandell]

24. Watching the families of the victims speak made me cry.

So sick and sad.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. I can't watch things like that.

It is a shame this happened.

[struggle4progress]

32. Based on the timin, I gotta wonder if the Convention of Nuts in Bunkerville NV didn't set him off

I suspect he's been sittin around a lotta the time, fondlin his gun, waitin for the right moment to strike the spark he hopes is gonna set off some big spontaneous "race war" he's been dreamin about

There was once an active Klan here in my current hometown, durin my lifetime, but I'd never seen the slightest trace of it in the quarter century since I moved here -- until the WBC crazies came down and grabbed some publicity by protestin an Episcopal church here a few years back: then within twenty-four hours there were two cross-burnins in town, one at that church, the other in a vacant lot beside an apartment complex downtown. Some chicken-shits put up their little pyres late at night, lit em, and skeedaddled. I'm guessin they didn't get the response they'd wanted from the local community, cuz nobody seems to have heard from em since

But it got me thinkin that the one thing that really winds up the wackos is other wackos

[LuvNewcastle]

33. Yes, that 3% of the population sure is formidable.

That's one thing I've never understood about anti-semitism. Why are some people so threatened by such a small number of people? It isn't like Jews evangelize or anything. I know that a lot of it is jealousy because many Jews are successful in their fields, but people in other ethnic groups, such as east Asians, are successful as well. It's just crazy, and it makes no sense to me. But then again, I guess hatred doesn't have to make sense, does it?

[H2O Man]

38. Recommended

Thank you for this.

[ismnotwasm]

39. Anti- semitism is everywhere

It's almost like there is an ignorance or apathy to it; it's so internalized, that people don't think it out. It's everywhere.

[MuseRider]

42. How could they ignore it or be apathetic to it?

You are correct but I do not understand how this could get by anyone.

[Zorra]

44. K&R nt