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freeplessinseattle

(3,508 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:39 AM Apr 2014

Bullying: Is this the most ridiculous advice to deal with bullies, ever?

"Fifth-grade students at Zeman Elemantary in Lincoln, Nebraska were recently sent home with anti-bullying flyers. Imagine the parents' surprise, then, to find most of the supposed advice was actually not very helpful at all.

"The number one reason bullies hate their victims, is because the victims tell on them," advises the flyer. Really? So if you just tell kids to be quiet about it, it will go away? Sounds to me exactly like the line of reasoning generations of bullies and abusers have used as an excuse to keep doing what they're doing. It's the victim's fault, and if they just behaved better, it wouldn't happen.
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Abusive bullying in childhood is, for too many, a sad fact of life but it should not be a secret one. Adults should have their eyes open to spotting when it's going on, but some bullies are so crafty and careful that their victims can't always depend on the signs being spotted by others. Children surely need to be reassured that if they tell, they will be supported… not blamed for being a 'tattle tale.'
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On the Childline advice page about bullying, it mentions that 'going along with what they want will give [bullies] the message that bullying is working.' An alternative information sheet the school linked to on Facebook also reinforced the need for communication and seeking advice, advising young people to 'seek help if you or someone else are being bullied,' and 'let adults help.' Maybe next time, the school should consider letting adults help them with their flyers, too."


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Bullying: Is this the most ridiculous advice to deal with bullies, ever? (Original Post) freeplessinseattle Apr 2014 OP
Wow, that's like the opposite of everything you should do. Arkana Apr 2014 #1
Looks like it was written to keep the administrators from having to deal with it. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #2
I agree. Bullying problems are one of the toughest problems that administrators LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #4
People need to talk to their kids about bullying at an early age. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #3
Awful. IF the idea was to get across that no matter what someone says to you, it does Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #5
Wow. Am just stunned at how awful this advice is. JimDandy Apr 2014 #6
was this handed out at an elementary school or a prison? NightWatcher Apr 2014 #7
Anything but hitting back, right? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #8
What year is it in Nebraska? Orrex Apr 2014 #9
"If you think I'm ugly, you should see my sister?" !!! DirkGently Apr 2014 #10
they should follow the excellent BLM lead in dealing with the rancher/militia bullies DrDan Apr 2014 #11
A statement on the school's website. pintobean Apr 2014 #12
Why do I get the feeling the agenda has to do with "religious freedom"? arcane1 Apr 2014 #31
That's #$%&ing nuts. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #13
It HAS to be a joke. It's too effin' stupid to be anything else. Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #14
It's all ridiculous, but.. DON'T TELL AN ADULT?! RedCappedBandit Apr 2014 #15
That sounds ludicrous beyond belief. LisaL Apr 2014 #16
Worst...advice...EVER. Jesus H. Christ. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #17
Exactly. LisaL Apr 2014 #18
I'm surprised that there's not a rule saying: SheilaT Apr 2014 #19
And when a child finally has had it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #20
Written by cowards. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #21
Update: LPS sorry for flier advising students to not tell on bullies Brickbat Apr 2014 #22
I don't understand how anyone, especially in an educational setting, could even think that way polly7 Apr 2014 #23
Later on in the story, admins talk about how the anti-bullying message they give the kids is Brickbat Apr 2014 #25
Thank goodness for that. nt. polly7 Apr 2014 #26
What a piece of garbage this booklet is LibertyLover Apr 2014 #24
The guy who wrote this is fucked up and bullshit. Brickbat Apr 2014 #27
Here he blames unions for the poor bus-monitor lady who was bullied by kids last year: Brickbat Apr 2014 #28
The incident with the bus-monitor lady wasn't that big a deal because she wasn't raped or killed. Brickbat Apr 2014 #29
Why did I have a feeling the author was a rethug? freeplessinseattle Apr 2014 #34
Yes he is. Nine Apr 2014 #33
The writer of the rules is obviously a former (or current) bully. n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #30
I get the idea; kids do need to develop assertiveness and humor Ron Green Apr 2014 #32
It sounds like an early 20th century British boarding school... LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #35
oh yeah, fall into a cycle of passivity and silence MisterP Apr 2014 #36
This sounds like it was written by a bully. (nt) Ino Apr 2014 #37

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
4. I agree. Bullying problems are one of the toughest problems that administrators
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:52 AM
Apr 2014

have to deal with, and they want out of it. Administrators like that need to be out of a job.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
3. People need to talk to their kids about bullying at an early age.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:50 AM
Apr 2014

They should tell their kids that if they're being bullied, they should never keep it a secret. Telling adults is the best way to make it stop.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. Awful. IF the idea was to get across that no matter what someone says to you, it does
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

not make it true ( Refuse to get mad ) because if you get mad and out act..you'll be in trouble too...big fail.

This is a train wreck, there are no clear points about validating the victims situation and most important, NOTIFY
a staff member...WE are here to help you etc.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
6. Wow. Am just stunned at how awful this advice is.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:00 AM
Apr 2014

It blames the victim, doesn't hold the bully accountable for his/her actions, and reads like the rules were tailored to help reduce problems for the school administration-not for the victim.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. was this handed out at an elementary school or a prison?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

Dont Be A Snitch. Snitches get stiches

Worst advice ever

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
8. Anything but hitting back, right?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:04 AM
Apr 2014

Cower and realize it's your own fault. Show you're hurt. Maybe you need sensitivity training.




DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
10. "If you think I'm ugly, you should see my sister?" !!!
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:07 AM
Apr 2014

Don't tell and don't be a "sore loser?" Yikes. Sounds like it was written by the Bullies Union (tm).

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
11. they should follow the excellent BLM lead in dealing with the rancher/militia bullies
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:09 AM
Apr 2014

give in and grant them what they want

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
12. A statement on the school's website.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:10 AM
Apr 2014

It looks like a screw up. The Telegraph and Fox appear to be the only ones carrying this story, so there may be some agenda going on.

April 17, 2014

Today our educators will meet with all Zeman fifth graders to clarify and provide accurate information about the expectations we have of students at Lincoln Public Schools and at Zeman regarding bullying situations. To be clear, the brochure was not written by people at LPS, and was not vetted properly.

A few examples of the information students will be hearing today: “Bullying is wrong and unsafe, and that adults need to know if bullying is occurring. Remember to “talk it out” not “fight it out.” Take action when you see others being bullied. Contact a school staff member for assistance when faced with a bullying situation.”

http://wp.lps.org/zeman/

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
14. It HAS to be a joke. It's too effin' stupid to be anything else.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:10 AM
Apr 2014

I stopped bullies the way my older brother taught me: stand up to them, show no fear, and the cowardly bullies move on. If they don't back off, TELL teachers, parents, older siblings about it.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
17. Worst...advice...EVER. Jesus H. Christ.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:16 AM
Apr 2014

"Curl up in fetal position and admit you are powerless. In fact, maybe it's YOU that's the problem--learn to laugh at yourself, you pathetic little shit."

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
18. Exactly.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:18 AM
Apr 2014

Who wrote this thing? Doesn't the school check what kind of advice they are giving out to children?
This pamphlet suggests bullied children shouldn't defend themselves (even verbally), treat bullies as someone who is trying to help, and not tell adults.
It's unbelievably ridiculous.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
19. I'm surprised that there's not a rule saying:
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:20 AM
Apr 2014

If you get cut and are bleeding, please do not bleed on school property. Wipe up all the blood yourself and dispose of whatever tissues you use discreetly.

Honestly, if I were a parent who got that little booklet I'd be in the principal's office the very next day.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. And when a child finally has had it
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:22 AM
Apr 2014

And either kills himself or herself, or worst, takes on the school...well, it was the kid's fault anyway for being a weakling. See how that works?

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
22. Update: LPS sorry for flier advising students to not tell on bullies
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:39 PM
Apr 2014
Lincoln Public Schools officials apologized Wednesday for a flier about “turning bullies into buddies” that went home with Zeman Elementary fifth-graders, prompting complaints from parents and angry comments on Facebook.

(snip)

Zeman Principal Donna Williams sent an electronic message to families apologizing for the flier, and the district posted the apology on its Facebook page.

Among other things, the flier advises not telling on bullies because “the number one reason bullies hate their victims is because the victims tell on them.” The flier goes on to say, “Telling makes the bully want to retaliate. Tell an adult only when a real injury or crime (theft of something valuable) has occurred. Would we keep our friends if we tattled on them?”

LPS Communications Director Mary Kay Roth said the flier was not approved to be sent home and was inadvertently included in fifth-graders’ Tuesday folders that went home to parents. Such folders typically contain student work and other information for parents.

http://journalstar.com/news/local/education/lps-apologizes-for-flier-advising-students-to-not-tell-on/article_ee105464-f51d-539e-8bf0-4ab4719d874b.html

polly7

(20,582 posts)
23. I don't understand how anyone, especially in an educational setting, could even think that way
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:42 PM
Apr 2014

let alone print it out, no matter if it was intended to be sent home or not. I was sure it had to be some sort of hoax.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
25. Later on in the story, admins talk about how the anti-bullying message they give the kids is
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:44 PM
Apr 2014

very different than the wretched flier, and it seems like they really do give the right message in class. Here's hoping they haven't undone all their good work with that garbage.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
24. What a piece of garbage this booklet is
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:43 PM
Apr 2014

I had to doublecheck to make sure it wasn't from The Onion, the "advice" was so over-the-top bad. Whoever authored it should be ashamed of themselves and whoever directed it be handed out at the elementary school should be disciplined. "If you think I look like a nerd, you should see my dad!"? Are they f'ing kidding? Not only are the bullied children being told to laugh at themselves - such a wonderful idea in and of itself - but they are also being instructed to disrespect their parents. And don't get me started on the whole idea of casting bullies as "friends who want to help you". Ugh.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
28. Here he blames unions for the poor bus-monitor lady who was bullied by kids last year:
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:57 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/12580#.U1AHgFFPPQd

‘But this incident could have been stopped in no time. All that was needed was for the driver to stop the bus and say “This bus is not moving until you kids keep stop tormenting Ms Klein and apologise to her”. Unless the kids are psychopaths, they would have done so immediately and, if they hesitated, the other kids on the bus would have told them to shut up and apologise. And if they still kept harassing her, the driver and/or monitor could have called the police to remove them from the bus. That would really have taught them a lesson, and they would have “gotten it” from their parents as well.

‘Unfortunately, bus drivers are no longer allowed to stop the bus. It is against rules created by their unions so that they don’t work any longer than they have to. Thus, the single most powerful tool they have to control kids on their bus has been taken away from them and their hands are tied from being able to take immediate and effective action.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
29. The incident with the bus-monitor lady wasn't that big a deal because she wasn't raped or killed.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:58 PM
Apr 2014
‘And we have also taken incidents like this out of proportion. Yes, what the kids did was despicable and it was understandably upsetting to Ms Klein. But she is mature and resilient enough to get over it. It wasn’t rape or murder. It wasn’t even assault and battery. Incidents that are far worse than this happen on a daily basis and the victims don’t receive massive outpourings of public donations. It’s because “bullying” has become the number one fascination of society, and we forget that most of the acts being called bullying are rather minor.

freeplessinseattle

(3,508 posts)
34. Why did I have a feeling the author was a rethug?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:31 PM
Apr 2014

The victim blaming and minimizing that fills the "advice" book sounds like Cheney himself wrote it! Thanks for digging that up, interesting.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
33. Yes he is.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:28 PM
Apr 2014

One more link (with the "rules&quot :
http://bullies2buddies.com/press-room/press-release/how-to-create-a-bully-free-school-environment-by-israel-izzy-kalman/

I see some right wing comments on various news sites blaming liberal ideology for this. I'm guessing they didn't do much research on the author.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
32. I get the idea; kids do need to develop assertiveness and humor
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:15 PM
Apr 2014

as part of a strong and healthy character. But for school admins to just throw this out there without intensive training of all concerned is not helpful at all.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
35. It sounds like an early 20th century British boarding school...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:33 PM
Apr 2014

Don't sneak; don't show (or preferably even feel) your emotions; toughen yourself up and learn to laugh at yourself, and you too may end up ruling the Empire!


MisterP

(23,730 posts)
36. oh yeah, fall into a cycle of passivity and silence
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:03 PM
Apr 2014

GREAT way to handle both the opportunists and the people who need to feel big!

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