What rape culture? Part II (Warning... Very graphic)

[Ohio Joe]

I'm not even going to re-post any of the article here... It's pretty disturbing. Graffiti artist David Choe describes how he raped a woman in graphic detail, and then goes on to deny it was rape... He denies he is a rapist... His rape is just part of his 'art' you see...

The company he works for, Vice, is "looking into” whether they will continue to work with him.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alisonvingiano/celebrity-graffiti-artist-david-choe-says-admission-of-rapey

You can confess how you raped someone for all the world and still get away with it.

What rape culture?

[CFLDem]

1. Really disgusting.

And yet the usual suspects will argue there is no rape culture even though admitted rapists walk free amongst us.

[Heidi]

2. "Pretty disturbing" is a charitable description.

Yeah, nothin' to see here.

You can confess how you raped someone for all the world and still get away with it.

[MineralMan]

3. I wonder how he'd feel about it if

he was in a situation where he was the victim of an identical "rapey" event. Probably he's not capable of enough empathy to imagine such a situation, and that seems to be characteristic of sociopaths. They're not able to visualize a situation where the roles are reversed, so they can't see the horror they create.

This guy is a sociopathic rapist, pure and simple.

[TheSarcastinator]

5. believing everything you read is a terrible policy

The "artist" in question has admitted the whole thing was a hoax. Post-modernist uncertainty is rough like that.

[ismnotwasm]

6. So it's art do you think?

Curious.

[bettyellen]

7. Or that's his story now that he realizes it was

Forcible sodomy. Like too many people, he might have believed that screaming and fighting back were necessary for it to be deemed rape. He said as much.

[ismnotwasm]

8. He sure did

At the very best scenario-- he's an extreme asshole. But as a performance artist, he probably has a tendency to "over share"

[TheSarcastinator]

13. being an asshole isn't a crime

It certainly isn't rape. And I think it was overly provocative and in poor taste, which is why I put the word "artist" in quotes. But hey, it's easier to attack someone on DU (who actually agrees with you in general on the topic of rape culture, by the way) than to admit you were wrong about the incident in question. But, you know, whatever.

[ismnotwasm]

14. You feel attacked?

I'm sorry. Not my intent.

[bettyellen]

18. Sorry if we take his original story at face value.

It would be normal to cry hoax after fucking up that very badly. Not attacking you, just not buying his excuses. Not sure why you'd think this piece of shit deserves the benefit of the doubt here.
His co host on the show seemed to believe he was telling a true story. As did the bros shouting her down when she found it problematic.

[redqueen]

19. Quote the "attack". nt

[bettyellen]

20. Yeah, there were no attacks- just polite disagreement

Seems someone here gives disgusting potential rapists more benefit of the doubt than kind and reasoned fellow DUers.

That's interesting- his imagining being "attacked".

[ismnotwasm]

22. ...

indeed.

[Heidi]

10. He admitted it. That's how.

Are you suggesting that it was somehow coerced? Made under duress? Without his consent?

[dionysus]

30. even if he made it all up he's a despicable human being.

I've never felt the need to tell a 'good 'ol rape yarn' to impress or shock people....

[Ohio Joe]

15. So you also believe his rape is 'art'...

It is amazing how people will excuse anything.

[redqueen]

21. I guess since society has tolerated rape as entertainment for this long,

this 'artist' figured it'd be a great way to avoid getting called on how sick his little "erection quest" was.

[Zooj]

23. Alleged rape

Alleged.

[Ohio Joe]

24. Welcome to DU

Nice to know people will even sign up to defend those that admit to rape.

[Zooj]

25. Claim vs. admit

Different things. It is an admission only if we know it happened.

[Ohio Joe]

26. Defense of a rapist

Disgusting.

[Zooj]

31. rapist?

How do you know?

[seabeyond]

35. be it a hoax or a rape he is scum. and you defend. you cannot get the very basic,

in being a human being, defending a man claiming to a rape, then crying hoax. there is no defense either way.

when as a people we cannot see the wrong pretending a rape, or raping, then it says a hell of a lot about the confused.

[seabeyond]

44. you observation skills are non existent. nt

[Ohio Joe]

43. Keep defending it...

I'm certain you will have a happy stay.

[gollygee]

36. What?

When someone admits to doing something, that's an admission.

Wow the rape apologies are getting bigger and weirder.

[gollygee]

40. Even an admission is separate from what really happened

but admitting to a crime is an admission, even if it's a lie.

[nomorenomore08]

52. Even assuming he didn't do it, he's still pretty damn sick in the head.

So I wouldn't be quick to defend him as a person either way.

[Squinch]

33. Even if it is not true: "Post-modernist uncertainty" or extreme rape culture? You say tomato.

In the very best scenario with this story, the idea that this "hoax" seemed like a good idea to him is an example of the extremities of our rape culture.

[nomorenomore08]

53. It does speak to a certain level of abusive behavior being largely normalized by a society

that only gives a shit when it absolutely has to.

[jamzrockz]

11. We have a prison

industrial complex here hungry for people to lock up and somehow we are to believe that the justice system doesn't care about rape? That is unless you imagine the people in law enforcement are rapists too and that is why they allow petty rapists to go free but we know it doesnt work that way cos bullies, corrupt LEO, lying politicians do not tolerate petty bullies, corruption and fraudsters.

Finally if this actually happened, why did the victim not report the incident to the police? It is very hard to help people when they will not voice their problems to the authorities.

[ismnotwasm]

16. Speaking of prison

Here is an article I posted in another group

Prison Rape: Getting From Punchline to Serious Crime
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/04/prison_rape_getting_from_punchline_to_serious_crime.html

[redqueen]

17. "It is very hard to help people when they will not voice their problems to the authorities."

Are you serious? How old are you?

Are you seriously unaware of the reasons why most victims don't bother reporting? And that police are extremely uninterested in trying to "help people" who are victims of rape and sexual assault and actively discourage them from reporting, ignore the reports, file them as other offenses, etc?

SERIOUSLY?

[seabeyond]

37. well jam, it is clear you know very little of the subject and lack the empathy or ability or desire

to educate yourself. instead your comment merely reinforces a rape culture.

[mythology]

49. If this did happen

it's not uncommon for the victim of sexual violence to not come forward. It's embarrassing, it's hard to prove, it's invasive both in terms of the medical exam and if/when the case goes to court.

Personally I think the guy is probably just an utter absolute dumbass who didn't think through the story he was telling and didn't actually do what he claimed in the show. I think he was trying to be "edgy" as an artist, but is too stupid to know what crosses the line in a good way and what crosses is it in a bad way. Every comic wants to be like Richard Pryor or George Carlin, but most lack the talent to be as provocative as those two.

[JJChambers]

12. If his confession can be corroborated he should be charged (nt)

[Squinch]

27. So we need confessions plus additional witnesses?

[seabeyond]

38. oh, and a video. oooops, video is not enough either. nt

[seabeyond]

45. wtf are you talking about.

[Squinch]

51. So it can't really be a rape unless there is a witness?

That's pretty moronic.

[JJChambers]

46. Really??..

Surely No one on DU is suggesting that a confession with no other evidence is enough by itself to imprison someone. I could confess to killing JFK but seeing as I wasn't born yet, my confession would be suspect, no? For the case against this man to proceed, we need the victim to come forward.

[redqueen]

47. Whether or not a victim comes forward, just the fact that this piece of shit thinks his 'story'

is something that others should find sexy and entertaining is enough for people to condemn him as a sorry excuse for a human being.

[nomorenomore08]

54. Not criminal charges, necessarily. But it's easy to see what a piece of shit he is. n/t

[dionysus]

28. sounds criminally douchey to me.. what an asshole. nt

[Squinch]

32. Taking the last beer is "douchey." Raping someone shows that one is not fit to be allowed

to live within human society. There is a big difference.

[dionysus]

34. i said criminally. if he did that shit he belongs in jail,even if he "made it up" as he claims,

he's still a sick fucker I'd want no dealings with...

[Squinch]

29. Ugh. I've been laying low and spending much less time on DU. I come back and come across this

thread.

Thank you for posting the OP, Ohio Joe. It is a crying shame that it is bringing out the trolls like goats on a bridge.

[seabeyond]

50. me, too. and ya.

really just kickin for joe to 50

[Ilsa]

48. So could a woman claim it was performance art to cut off his balls?

I'd pay to watch.