John Birch Society Promises More Violent Anti-Government Standoffs

[napkinz]

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John Prager
April 17, 2014

The ‘Bundy situation‘ in Nevada has raised the possibility of a chilling new chapter in America. No longer are the domestic terrorists masquerading as militias willing to just talk about revolution — they’re ready to start shooting! The recent events at the Bundy Ranch, in which many of the nation’s violent extremists congregated — ready to use women as human shields in a firefight — to defend their freeloading criminal pal Cliven Bundy against the tyranny of the government expecting him to pay his debts is not just an isolated incident.

William Jasper at the New American, a John Birch Society publication, says that the extremism demonstrated in Nevada is just a harbinger of what’s to come. ...

-snip-

According to our ‘Bircher’ friend, Bundy is not the only ‘victim’ in all of this — and they will continue, galvanized by the “victory” they saw when the federal government gave in to their terrorist actions in order to protect the lives of those who were simply attempting to enforce a court order, to take up arms in “defense” of these freedumb-loving “patriots” and their right to eschew any and all financial responsibility while still reaping the benefits of the use of federal land for personal reward.

According to Jasper, "…it is almost a certainty that the recently defused Bundy Ranch standoff will be replayed again — and in the not-too-distant future. And the outcome could be much less amicable for all concerned…"

-snip-

Unfortunately, he may be right. The crazies have been whipped into a frenzy that transcends even the most unreasonable and paranoid of right-wing punditry. Only time will tell how this will play out, but if they continue on their path those responsible for spurring on this sort of violent response to what amounts to a simple legal matter will be responsible for a bloodbath that we fear none of us will be able to live with.























read more: http://aattp.org/john-birch-society-promises-more-violent-anti-government-standoffs/

[napkinz]

1. Domestic Terrorist Cliven Bundy Finally ADMITS He is a Domestic Terrorist (Video)

John Prager
April 18, 2014

Harry Reid irritated the domestic terrorists of the right-wing when he called freeloading rancher Cliven Bundy and his band of “militia” supporters domestic terrorists. “Cliven Bundy does not recognize the United States,” Reid said. “He says that the United States is a foreign government. He doesn’t pay his taxes. He doesn’t pay his fees. And he doesn’t follow the law. He continues to thumb his nose at authority.”

Bundy is firing back, though, with the help of FOX News hero Eric Bolling — by admitting he is, in actuality, a homegrown terrorist. “Well, I guess he’s right,” Bundy said, “I don’t know what else we’d be. We’re definitely citizens riled up. I don’t know whether you could call us terrorists. There are the most loving people here I’ve ever met in my life.”

Yes, yes, everybody loves somebody — but that does not change the fact that he has, for two decades, refused to pay required fees and defied multiple court orders that remove his bovines from the land.

Watch his insane rationalizations for his behavior, below:

http://aattp.org/domestic-terrorist-cliven-bundy-finally-admits-he-is-a-domestic-terrorist-video/

[arcane1]

6. He called himself a "citizen" despite not recognizing the legitimacy of the US government?

"Thinking" isn't one of his skills, I guess

[tularetom]

8. America has no right to exist, he says

As he stands on a stage surrounded by American flags.

[thecrow]

33. It appears his sense of logic is not working.

Must be affected by all that bullshit they are spreading in that area.

[csziggy]

58. In one interview Bundy claimed to recognize the state of Nevada

But not the US government. he should read the Constitution of the State of Nevada:

ARTICLE. 1. - Declaration of Rights.
Sec: 2.  Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.  
All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html#Art1Sec2

Emphasis added by me.

[okaawhatever]

70. Expect SCOTUS to take up the case of Bundy v Irony very soon. nt

[tularetom]

2. When they begin to make the 1% uncomfortable they will be squashed like a bug

Right now they are useful idiots for the American oligarchy. But the minute they begin to figure out who is really screwing them they'll be treated just like Occupy protesters.

They can talk tough all they want. They're just tools and they don't even know it.

[cyberswede]

5. You're exactly right. nt

[socialist_n_TN]

11. Unfortunately, history teaches that the bourgeoisie ALWAYS.......

think they can control their fascist and proto-fascist attack dogs. Until they find out they can't. Remember Hindenburg told the German bourgeoisie that Hitler was "Someone we can work with" as he (Hitler) was taking over the German government.

I agree they'll TRY to squash the useful idiots in the fascist right, but whether they'll succeed or not is still an open question. These people are why we need an organized and militant working class to counterbalance the fascists. Ukraine is currently paying the price as an imperial Ping-Pong ball BECAUSE the workers are too weak and unorganized to fight for themselves against the fascist menace.

[BlindTiresias]

73. This is out of the ancap playbook

The plan is to align the corporate and militant right wing interests so that corporations can seize the urban areas and give free reign of the hinterlands to right wing militants. Each will have their own charter or formal agreement on what kind of people can live there and how they ought to conduct themselves. Hans Hermann Hoppe has explicitly expressed this as his vision of a future United States. Naturally all regulations will be dissolved and all central govt services aside from a contractor derived army will also be dissolved. The end game is a CEO-monarch voted in from the largest businesses and most successful autonomous zones (rural areas ruled by militia).

[kelliekat44]

30. But the 1% are supporting them and using them...out of feara and out of cunning. nt

[arcane1]

3. I expect a lot of these events will be astroturfed, too. Media creations.

The whole point will be to sway voters in November. Create as many examples of "government tyranny" as they can, whether real or simulated.

Think about it: these idiots were willing to have their wives, sisters, daughters, and mothers gunned down in order to score a few PR points.

[shenmue]

4. I don't know why they think they're saving anyone.

Please read "Wrapped in the Flag" by Claire Conner. Very good book about the JBS.

[octoberlib]

14. An excellent book! In fact, I may read it again.nt

[pscot]

7. Bad mistake

letting these thugs get away with it. It will empower others. Weakness invites attack.

[zeemike]

28. That was my take on it too.

the worst thing you can do is give in to a bully...and that is what they are...
It guarantees they will do it again.
And this will not stop.

[99Forever]

9. Well Mr. Sovereign Bundy, can you say...

... drones?

[Zorra]

10. The Handmaid's Tale:

Set in the near future, in a totalitarian Christian theocracy which has overthrown the United States government, The Handmaid's Tale explores themes of women in subjugation and the various means by which they gain agency. The novel's title was inspired by Geoffrey Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, which is a series of connected stories ("The Merchant's Tale", "The Parson's Tale", etc.)[4]
snip---
Beginning with a staged terrorist attack (blamed on Islamic extremist terrorists) that kills the President and most of Congress, a movement calling itself the "Sons of Jacob" launches a revolution and suspends the United States Constitution under the pretext of restoring order. They are quickly able to take away all of women's rights, largely attributed to financial records being stored electronically and labelled by gender. This allows the new rulers to freeze women's bank accounts (the story also takes place in a future of a cashless society utilizing electronic money which leaves them with no funds after this), then outlaw employing them. The new regime moves quickly to consolidate its power and reorganize society along a new militarized, hierarchical, compulsorily cult-Christian regime of selectively skewed Old Testament-inspired social and religious ultra-conservatism among its newly created social classes. In this society, almost all women are forbidden to read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale

"We will not rest until we have purified this country".

[MineralMan]

12. Well, for Prager's edification,

government forces have avoided creating the kind of confrontation that leads to people dying. So far. That will only continue for so long, however, and will end the moment these armed militia morons fire on officials who are enforcing laws and court judgments. If they do fire on those officials, the situation will change very quickly for these would-be "patriots."

The government is equipped with weaponry that makes these militia idiots' arms look ridiculous. They will not prevail in an actual shooting situation. The next time an enforcement situation is undertaken in a situation like that one in Nevada, it will not just be a few BLM officers with tasers who show up. The next time, the militia types will be looking at a completely different set of circumstances.

The most recent standoff, in which the BLM backed down and retreated, will be replaced by armored vehicles, automatic weapons, and a force large enough to intimidate even the least sensible would-be-soldier. The military will not be needed, since the FBI and civilian police forces have all of that equipment on hand.

These people are all bravado and little armament. AR-15s, no matter how black they are and how many accessories they have, are not military arms.

These people are complete morons. I hope they will realize that and not force a shooting situation. If they do, however, it will not go well for them, I'm quite certain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Special_Weapons_and_Tactics_Teams

[Aerows]

23. It's all fun and games

until the Apache Helicopters arrive.

[MineralMan]

26. Yup. And they are available, if needed.

Blackhawks, too. The militia morons are counting on the government not doing anything. And that will probably happen, unless the morons start shooting. At some point, one of them will go all suicidal and do just that to get the party started. It will not end well.

[thecrow]

35. If they start shooting, they should use some kind of sedation gas

and let them wake up in their new jail cell.
I don't think the FBI really NEEDS to shoot anyone.

[onethatcares]

45. or one complete

U.S. Marine rifle platoon.

I would not want to be on the receiving end of either the Apaches or that.

[BlindTiresias]

74. That depends

If they indeed being backed by an economic elite (there is some evidence they are) you can expect the response to be very light, potentially to the point where the right wing militants have enough time to gain inertia and make militarily destroying them hard going and very economically disruptive.

[freshwest]

13. Great link. The land still belongs to the Shoeshone, who would not approve of this guy overgrazing

the land and bringing a load of mindless, aggressive idiots to run all over it.

Nor would they approve of the views expressed by these loonies in the MSNBC interview, as they would shoot brown people coming across the Mexican border

OTOH, it's likely the tribes understood how deep the crazy goes with those who took over this continent and are peacefully waiting in the background for us to off all of each other.

They might find this sadly amusing, for all we know, as Europeans refused to listen to anything they had to say. At times, it's all you can do, like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

[napkinz]

36. "this land is your land, this land is my land?"

[freshwest]

44. Awesomeness! Those should go viral and sent to the Bundesreich Tea Party. Enjoy the read:

The Bundesreich of Von Bismarck

“Drei Achten, Drei Kaiser, Null Bismarck”

Category: Right-wing Utopia
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Very Good
Regional Influence: Duckspeaker

The Bundesreich of Von Bismarck is a colossal, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Jkr Otto von Bismarck with an even hand, and notable for its complete lack of public education. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 5.355 billion are free to succeed or fail in life on their own merits; the successful tend to enjoy an opulent (but moralistic) lifestyle, while the failures can be seen crowding out most jails.

The medium-sized government juggles the competing demands of Religion & Spirituality, Defence, and the Environment. It meets every day to discuss matters of state in the capital city of Altmark. The average income tax rate is 18%. The private sector is almost wholly made up of enterprising ten-year-olds selling lemonade on the sidewalk, although the government is looking at stamping this out.

Citizens recently voted in favour of declaring bubblewrap an 'abomination of nature', elections have become procedural nightmares due to voters persistently rejecting candidates, prison visits increase substantially during election years, and CEOs and corporate executives are frequently found striking for better stock options. Crime is a problem. Von Bismarck's national animal is the Dänischer Hund, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, its national religion is Kulturkampf, and its currency is the Notgeld.

Von Bismarck is ranked 27th in Germany and 89,260th in the world for Most Authoritarian, with 0.12 Stalins.

More at the link:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=von_bismarck

[napkinz]

55. thanks for the link ...

Can we create a democracy here in the USA! (or are we stuck with an oligarchy?)

Perhaps the members can create a DU nation!

[freshwest]

57. Might be a continuing thread with plenty of input for ideas to organize around. If Sir Skinner rules

in favor of it being created... Well, not necessarily, as Skinner does not appear to have an egotistical interest in ruling the denizens of DU.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=create_nation1

Get on it, DU! Surely we can come up with something better than this Koch funded idea:


Yes, that is a fetus being fed by an ammo clip on a long rifle with a pitchfork through its head. Deep stuff there, folks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014572446#post16

[Bigmack]

15. Every time I see Mr. Plaid Shirt...

... set up in a sniper position (A really bad sniper position, at that), I wonder why he is not in jail right fucking now.

Pretend he's black for a moment. Pretend he's "Muslim-looking".

Think he'd be out of jail...? Hell, think he'd still be alive..?

[Curmudgeoness]

25. I look at all these pictures,

and I think that their victory may be short-lived. They can be identified easily, and it would be smarter for the government to arrest them one by one over the course of time. If that situation were allowed to escalate to full war between the government and the fake militia, it would have fueled the fire. I am only hoping that the government has a plan to subdue them without making martyrs out of any of them.

[ms liberty]

59. I agree. n/t.

[GeorgeGist]

16. Here's hoping that the Bundy Bunch ...

and their comrades are in for a rude awakening; soon.

[albino65]

17. Does it surprise anyone

that Fred Koch is one of the founders of the John Birch society?

[napkinz]

27. and their sons financiers of the Tea Party

[freshwest]

46. Nope. Haven't changed attitude one bit, since making their money with Stalin, he didn't bother Fred.

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I can't afford to ignore them.

An excellent research piece by Hannah Bell from DU2:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x426937

There are connections, and Ilse is Charles Koch's doppelganger. I posted that in error, but went back to my original of the picture, in which didn't claim that, but the look was striking. But there is more to connect the familial traits than looks:

Enemies Of The State: The Kochs



Stephen D. Foster Jr. - July 25, 2011

The Kochs may be looked upon by conservatives as a normal wealthy American family but they have ties to one of the most evil regimes in world history. Fred Koch created his company, Winkler-Koch, here in America, and was sued for patent infringement because of his process for turning crude oil into gasoline. Litigation put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. In other words, Koch was banned. Koch then turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany with the help of Erich Koch. A high level Nazi official in charge of Prussia, Erich Koch invited Fred Koch to sell his oil in Nazi Germany after he was banned from doing business in the US. After the fall of Nazi Germany, Erich Koch and Fred expanded the oil empire to the Soviet Union. A few years later, the Soviets took Fred Koch’s oil and prosecuted Erich for war crimes. Fred Koch returned to the US as an anti-communist, and was allowed to do business in America once again. In 1963, Fred Koch gave a speech warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us”. Koch also “wrote admiringly of Benito Mussolini’s suppression of Communists in Italy, and disparagingly of the American civil-rights movement.” Fred Koch was a crazy right wing entrepreneur that was relegated to the extreme fringe of the Republican Party and as such, he had no real power. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of his sons...

Over the course of the 2010 elections, the Kochs poured hundreds of millions of dollars into elections around the country. Many Republicans that were swept into office are beholden to the Koch brothers. One of these Governors, Scott Walker of Wisconsin, has slammed a bill through the state legislature that effectively destroys unions in the state. The Kochs are all for this maneuver. They hate organized labor, and have a strong belief that workers have no rights and have no purpose other than to work at whatever price an owner wants them to work for. Koch Industries does not employ union workers for this reason. This anti-labor belief stems directly from the Koch familial ties in Nazi Germany. Erich Koch was a high ranking Nazi official in the Ukraine, who, in addition to having control of the Gestapo and the police, worked together with the General Plenipotentiary for Labor Deployment, to provide the Reich with forced labor. Erich Koch faced charges of war crimes for the extermination of 400,000 Poles.
Another family member, Karl Koch, was a colonel in the German SS and the first commandant of the Nazi concentration camps at Buchenwald.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/07/25/enemies-of-the-state-the-kochs/

They've been so good at fooling the right and the left in this country, having gone straight down the path that FDR's VP laid out in a piece in the NYT on how fascists could take over the USA:

"The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence.

His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power...

They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest.

Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection."

-- U.S. Vice President Henry A. Wallace, quoted in the New York Times, April 9, 1944

Charles ran as a Libertarian in 1980 and got only 1% of the vote. He decided after that he'd buy the message by owning the media outright:

BERNIE SANDERS Uncovers 1980 Koch Agenda- "What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

So many are so delighted with their philosophy, you can't curb their enthusiasm. The rest won't admit what's going on, but the intention is plain.

While Ilse isn't mommy dearest, it's not like they didn't rub shoulders and take up the ideology of the Nazis and work to enact it in the USA. If you value the words of this DUer, read the transcript of a video here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=44227

These men are their friends are extremely dangerous, and very close to making real the prophecy of FDR's VP and the platform they support, which has Nazi and racist roots. The world they are creating is scarcely fit for most of humanity to live in.

Some will always say, and I wish was I one of them, that 'It can't happen here.'

[napkinz]

56. Joe & Fred

[gurdurrr]

86. Bad photoshop

Created an account here because I saw this on Google images, just want to point out that the photo on the left is obvious horrible Photoshop of a famous photo of Stalin and Roosevelt at Yalta.

[arcane1]

87. You are correct! Here is the original:

The one at the right is photoshopped too, but I think that was intended to be a composite.

[MattBaggins]

68. Ilse Koch was not their mother

[freshwest]

76. EDITED. Now see what I found for you, if you care about what they're doing to us:

I can't afford to ignore it.

An excellent research piece by Hannah Bell from DU2:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x426937

There are connections, and Ilse is Charles Koch's doppelganger. I posted that in error, but went back to my original of the picture, in which didn't claim that, but the look was striking. But there is more to connect the familial traits than looks:

Enemies Of The State: The Kochs



Stephen D. Foster Jr. - July 25, 2011

The Kochs may be looked upon by conservatives as a normal wealthy American family but they have ties to one of the most evil regimes in world history. Fred Koch created his company, Winkler-Koch, here in America, and was sued for patent infringement because of his process for turning crude oil into gasoline. Litigation put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. In other words, Koch was banned. Koch then turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany with the help of Erich Koch. A high level Nazi official in charge of Prussia, Erich Koch invited Fred Koch to sell his oil in Nazi Germany after he was banned from doing business in the US. After the fall of Nazi Germany, Erich Koch and Fred expanded the oil empire to the Soviet Union. A few years later, the Soviets took Fred Koch’s oil and prosecuted Erich for war crimes. Fred Koch returned to the US as an anti-communist, and was allowed to do business in America once again. In 1963, Fred Koch gave a speech warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us”. Koch also “wrote admiringly of Benito Mussolini’s suppression of Communists in Italy, and disparagingly of the American civil-rights movement.” Fred Koch was a crazy right wing entrepreneur that was relegated to the extreme fringe of the Republican Party and as such, he had no real power. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of his sons...

Over the course of the 2010 elections, the Kochs poured hundreds of millions of dollars into elections around the country. Many Republicans that were swept into office are beholden to the Koch brothers. One of these Governors, Scott Walker of Wisconsin, has slammed a bill through the state legislature that effectively destroys unions in the state. The Kochs are all for this maneuver. They hate organized labor, and have a strong belief that workers have no rights and have no purpose other than to work at whatever price an owner wants them to work for. Koch Industries does not employ union workers for this reason. This anti-labor belief stems directly from the Koch familial ties in Nazi Germany. Erich Koch was a high ranking Nazi official in the Ukraine, who, in addition to having control of the Gestapo and the police, worked together with the General Plenipotentiary for Labor Deployment, to provide the Reich with forced labor. Erich Koch faced charges of war crimes for the extermination of 400,000 Poles.
Another family member, Karl Koch, was a colonel in the German SS and the first commandant of the Nazi concentration camps at Buchenwald.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/07/25/enemies-of-the-state-the-kochs/

They've been so good at fooling the right and the left in this country, having gone straight down the path that FDR's VP laid out in a piece in the NYT on how fascists could take over the USA:

"The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence.

His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power...

They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest.

Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection."

-- U.S. Vice President Henry A. Wallace, quoted in the New York Times, April 9, 1944

Charles ran as a Libertarian in 1980 and got only 1% of the vote. He decided after that he'd buy the message by owning the media outright:

BERNIE SANDERS Uncovers 1980 Koch Agenda- "What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

So many are so delighted with their philosophy, you can't curb their enthusiasm. The rest won't admit what's going on, but the intention is plain.

While Ilse isn't mommy dearest, it's not like they didn't rub shoulders and take up the ideology of the Nazis and work to enact it in the USA. If you value the words of this DUer, read the transcript of a video here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=44227

These men are their friends are extremely dangerous, and very close to making real the prophecy of FDR's VP and the platform they support, which has Nazi and racist roots. The world they are creating is scarcely fit for most of humanity to live in.

Some will always say, and I wish was I one of them, that 'It can't happen here.'

[MohRokTah]

18. The bloodbath to come will be far greater than the bloodbath that may have been.

The BLM condemnend us to bloody insurgency in this nation.

Worst move by the feds in history. Another Waco would have been much less bloody than what is to come.

[chuckstevens]

19. Revoke Faux News' FCC License NOW!

Sean Hannity, Rupert Murrdock, and Roger Allies, are guilty of sedition. They are insighting violence against the United States Government and should be shut down as a result. When the violence does hit the fan, they will all pretend to condemn it, claiming they had nothing to do with it. Things will simmer down for awhile and then that smug shit Hannity will find another group of nuts to stir up against the government ONLY IF A DEMOCRAT IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

The REAL problem is that we on the left don't know how to raise hell to the point where FAUX NEWS would be forced to take action against one of their own. If Keith Olbermann had done what FAUX does every fucking day, the right would have forced the Bush administration to arrested him for in sighting violence.

[madville]

21. Fox News is a cable network

Do they even have a FCC license since they don't broadcast on the airwaves?

[napkinz]

38. FOX ...

[freshwest]

47. FNN: Fomenting stochastic terrorism for fun and profit! Destroying democracy one brain at a time!

And you blow me away with these graphics! Thanks!

[napkinz]

80. "there they go again"

Just Like Gandhi? Fox News Supports Domestic Terrorists In Nevada

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=12483



Fox Champions Bundy Supporters Who Threatened Violence Against Federal Agents

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/04/18/fox-champions-bundy-supporters-who-threatened-v/198947



Fox News Carnival Barkers Gin Up A Range War

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/18/fox-news-carnival-barkers-gin-up-a-range-war/198946

[freshwest]

81. Not hardly! They might want to give the land to back to those, uh, brown people who act like Gandhi.

Of course the racists at FNN would say that. They are desperate, aren't they?

Next they'll say MLK was a great patriot and supports this kind of assholery. If he had lived, we might not have seen this. But as it is, I'm glad he doesn't have to.

[napkinz]

82. Rachel nails it!

Watch Rachel Maddow Rip Fox News Worship of Cliven Bundy, Right-Wing Terrorists (Video)

Bob Cull in Fox News Lies
April 17, 2014

This Wednesday, Rachel Maddow discussed the growing phenomenon of right wing extremists who do not recognize the United States government.

She began by revisiting the so called “Sagebrush War” of the mid-nineties, kicked off on July 4, 1994 when Nye county, Nevada county supervisor Dick Carver climbed aboard his Bulldozer and opened a closed road in the Toiyabe National Forest, claiming that the land belonged to the county and not the federal government.

The case was lost in court, but as the recent standoff in Clark county demonstrated, extremists who deny the authority of the federal government do not accept the findings of U.S. courts as valid either. Over the course of the next few years, several Forest Service and BLM offices in the state were bombed by these domestic terrorists.

Having given the background of this un-American movement, Maddow then noted the support these anti-government militias have found from none other than the Fox News Channel.

“This time for those politics, they’ve got the prime time stars of a big cable news network called the Fox News Channel,” she said. “Which for several days now, more than a week now trying to turn this particular guy into a household name.”

Cue Cliven Bundy, the latest hero in “Mr. Ailes’ Neighborhood,” demanding that sheriff Douglas Gillespie disarm the Park Service and that he order the county to tear down the entrances to all national park lands, all to the raucous approval of those gathered who shout, “Do your job, Sheriff!”

read more (and see video): http://aattp.org/watch-rachel-maddow-rip-fox-news-worship-of-cliven-bundy-right-wing-terrorists-video/

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. The John Birchers would never support the Shoshone ranchers treated worse than Bundy ever was:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024840137

[freshwest]

48. Excellent thread. thanks for linking it here. n/t

[napkinz]

22. definition of terrorist ...

[UTUSN]

24. R#10 haHAH, the BIRCHers rebirthing are undoing what LIMBOsevic accomplished

I was present at the creation of the Wingnut rebirth. After McCARTHY and into the '60s/'70s/80s the wingnut movement was discredited, unreputable, and generally considered to be Kook and Fringe. Wm Fuck BUCKLEY was a sole pretender to some kind of respectability. Then LIMBOsevic hit the air and singlehandedly raised it from the dead.

I witnessed with horror when LIMBOsevic took over my local radio talk station, away from the gentle and genteel doctors and psychologists -- Dean EDELL, Joy BROWNE, David VISCOTT. First was the *shock* of the opening music, Grunge or whatever but of the kind usually associated with the Young and the Left. Then he went for weeks spelling his surname to break people in. And from the start the number one strategy was to screen out all the "Fringe" callers, anybody BIRCHer or others of the obvious, unhidden racism and Naziism.

His laser purpose was to create Respectability and Normality and Mainstream for the wingnuts. Always having a "reasonable" excuse for the vile ad hominem ridicule and savagery. Totally scorched earth, no inch given to the opposition, actually just like the TeaBagger obstructionism today.

But now the BIRCHers are reasserting themselves in the wake of the Gunnutters surge. Rethugs are not Right enough for them. They are itching for bloodshed, it's only a matter of when and where. LIMBOsevic has always been one of them, but his m.o. was to keep it all just Wink-Wink. He was a finger and the dike won't hold forever.

Great AATTP.org!1

[freshwest]

49. +1

[Initech]

29. The mere thought of another civil war scares me far more than any terrorist cell ever could.

[kelliekat44]

31. If no media reports about them, they will disapper. They are looking for and want media attention.

[freshwest]

50. I think it's the other way around. It was RW media that made this an issue.

They created the Koch meme in the public mind and have created an alternative culture that opposes everything we stand for here. Someone posted a link to an interesting piece from the New Republic that went in depth on the international roots of all of this, too.

[napkinz]

32. and here come the Birchers' OFFSPRING ... with "American Spring"

Tea Party Nation Now Promoting Operation American Spring

Brian Tashman
4/18/2014

Operation American Spring, the far-right, militia-aligned group that’s planning a pro-coup rally next month to force President Obama out of office by shutting down Washington D.C., got a shout-out this week from Tea Party Nation.

TPN head Judson Phillips emailed members a column — “Declaring War on Americans” — by Alan Caruba, in which he applauds the militias defending the Cliven Bundy ranch and plugs Operation American Spring, while hinting that the demonstration may provoke a violent response from the government.

I love the notion that Cliven Bundy lives in Bunkerville. It reminded me of Bunker Hill and you know how badly that eventually turned out for the British in 1775. What ensued was a guerrilla war led by George Washington that defeated the most powerful nation of its time. There is no way a militia with small arms can defeat the kind of arms the U.S. government can bring to bear on such a battle, but one has to admire the courage of those people who showed up to confront them. That’s quintessentially American!

…

I don’t think the BLM response to Bundy was exclusive to the agency. That decision needed to be sent up the line as far as the White House. Indeed, it was likely initiated by the White House.

…

All tyrannies over-reach at some point and we are seeing that occur in the White House. The nation is fortunate to have the House controlled by Republicans and now needs a Senate as well in order to dispense some much needed justice on behalf of Americans.

It’s going to be interesting to see how the White House responds to the May 16th “Operation American Spring” being organized to bring a million or more to Washington, D.C. to participate in an event that will demonstrate the breadth of the unhappiness that has spread since Obama’s first election and is gaining momentum since his second.

read more: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-nation-now-promoting-operation-american-spring

[Thinkingabout]

34. I get the feeling the militia has spent too much time doung Civil War Recreations.

While they are laying out on the road thinking muzzle loading Civil war solders are going to walk out of the OK Corral ready for a fight the drones will be coming in overhead taking them out one by one. They are not even wearing combat gear, it is like going bear hunting with a fiddle stick. Now they have shown their faces, they should be checked for outstanding warrants and determine if they are on workmans comp or disability. If they are able to lay down on the road all day then their disability should cease and be charged with fraud. More gubermint takers.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Not to mention the Twinkies and beer diets.

[Jack Rabbit]

39. Interesting

A few random thoughts about the standoff at the Bundy Ranch . . . .

What have Dave and Charlie, sons of Birch Society co-founder Fred Koch, have to say about this?

First of all, what, if anything, did the Koch brothers have to do with last weekend's shindig in Clark County? This thing seemed awfully well organized to be spontaneous. Bundy's friends showed up awfully fast from out-of-state. I don't want to accuse Dave and Charlie of anything without evidence, and I have no evidence whatsoever. True, Americans for Prosperity was giving Bundy verbal support this week, and surely Dave and Charlie know that's where their money going. Nevertheless, they might be paying attention, since they've been busy supporting small government and the free market by getting states like Oklahoma to pass laws levying fees on homeowners for putting up solar panels. Yes, that's a piece of ALEC legislation, so we know they're behind that steer manure.

The coordination of the right wing noise machine is also impressive. In addition to A4P, Sean Hannity and the other boneheads at FoxNews and hate radio have weighed in with support for Bundy. Hannity even banged his head against the wall trying to Bundy and some of his family members to say something seditious. Bundy doesn't impress me as the sharpest pencil in the box, but he's showed he's smarter than to fall for that. Other than Bundy himself, only Glenn Beck has shown enough common sense to call for some caution about ratcheting up the rhetoric. That's very uncharacteristic of him.

Also, this is uncharacteristic of the John Birch Society. While the Birch Society has always taken positions that are extreme (the civil rights movement was a Communist conspiracy) to just loony (the fluoridation of drinking water is a Communist conspiracy), taking up arms is something Birchers usually leave to the Ku Klux Klan or adults who like to call themselves a "militia" and play soldier with real guns on weekends. At least, that was the Birch Society I remember from my youth. As right wing morons go, they were more annoying than threatening. Now they want to grow up and be real terrorists.

[napkinz]

42. Birchers seem to have a long history of stirring up violence

posted by struggle4progress last October: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023892645


Extremists in Dallas created volatile atmosphere before JFK’s 1963 visit

By SCOTT K. PARKS
13 October 2013

... The John Birch Society designated Dallas a regional headquarters and opened a bookstore here. The society preached that Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower — among many others — were willing dupes of the Communist Party ...

As Kennedy, a Roman Catholic, was pursing the Democratic presidential nomination in 1960, Hunt secretly financed the printing of 200,000 copies of an anti-Catholic sermon by the Rev. W.A. Criswell, the influential pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas. Criswell argued that if a Catholic became president, the pope would dictate American policy ...

... Walker began a campaign for governor of Texas, filing as a candidate in the Democratic primary. Dallas was his campaign headquarters. With the backing of H.L. Hunt, he ran as a states’ rights segregationist dedicated to exposing communists in every walk of life ...

In the early 1960s, the opinion pages of The Dallas Morning News reflected the anti-Kennedy views of the newspaper’s publisher, E.M. “Ted” Dealey. Day after day, editorials and opinion columns criticized the president. He was soft on communism. He was deceitful. He was expanding the reach of the federal government at the expense of individual liberty ...

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/reflect/20131012-extremists-in-dallas-created-volatile-atmosphere-before-jfks-1963-visit.ece?nclick_check=1

[Jack Rabbit]

61. I grew up in California, not Dallas

I should mention that I turned twelve about three weeks before the assassination. By the time I was in high school, references to the JBS were few and far between. In Southern California, where I lived between the ages of 15 and 20, if a local news outlet wanted the opinion of a Bircher, it sent a reporter to ask an Orange County politician named John Schmitz. Schmitz was a state senator when my family moved there in 1967 and later was elected to a seat in Congress. He bolted the GOP to run as an independent against President Nixon in 1972 after taking exception to Nixon's trip to China.

Even after Reagan won election as governor, very few people in this state took the JBS seriously. My cousin was a social worker in Sonoma County and ran a successful jobs training program. He would often be invited to speak at local gatherings. He told me that he could spot a man taking notes when he spoke whom he knew was reporting what was said back to the local Birch Society. His attitude was not to be bothered by a man with whom he disagreed taking notes when he spoke in public. At least he knew somebody was paying attention.

I was aware of anti-Catholic sentiment against JFK and, to a lesser extent, against Pat Brown, who was governor at the time. However, there wasn't a lot of it. I'd like to give some credit where it is due to Richard Nixon, who was JFK's opponent in 1960 and Pat Brown's opponent when he ran for re-election as governor in 1962. As sleazy as Nixon could be, he never played the Catholic card. Of course, Nixon obviously didn't believe Robert Welch's nonsense about Ike being a Communist, either.

Dallas may have been quite different. I knew it was a hotbed of radical right wing activity I knew that Ambassador Stevenson was hit with a placard in Dallas a month before President Kennedy was assassinated there and I knew that at least one of the President's advisers recommended that he not go to Dallas.

In reading the link you provided, I didn't see anything that would make anyone go out and kill the President unless that person had a mind to do it in the first place. The Birch Society was, as I remember, like a organization headed by Rush Limbaugh with his dittoheads as rank and file members. Rush can keep his dittoheads stirred up, but he really has no influence over anybody else. Only I think Rush's rhetoric is more violent than any Bircher of the sixties I can remember.

[freshwest]

62. Remember that era well, and commented on that link. It's the same gangsters now. n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. Milita Sighn In

[SummerSnow]

43. Spelling again? lol

[SummerSnow]

41. These people are foolish...

if one of them or even several of them get themselves killed. The Kochs' and the Rethugs will pretend they don't know them. Then it's back to business as usual.

[freshwest]

52. No, it's business as usual for Koch. They're looking for martyrs 'to water the tree of liberty.'

The feds have denied them that, but the RW media keeps on churning out useful idiots for them like clockwork.

[SummerSnow]

84. You're right.

[OilemFirchen]

53. I am not the least bit frightened by anyone sporting a face mullet.

Oooh... skerry!

[freshwest]

64. Please put a name with that idiot so I'll avoid anything by him. Is it Grover? n/t

[steve2470]

66. Jonah Goldberg

http://gawker.com/dude-gawker-writers-get-paid-a-lot-of-money-477512365/@rlawson

[OilemFirchen]

72. Jonah "Doughy Pantload" Goldberg (n/t)

[freshwest]

77. Thanks to you and Steve. Still, ugh! n/t

[napkinz]

83. looks better on a Vulcan :)

[pampango]

54. Wiki on the JBS:

The society opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming it violated the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped individual states' rights to enact laws regarding civil rights. The society opposes "one world government", and it has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements. They argue the U.S. Constitution has been devalued in favor of political and economic globalization, and that this alleged trend is not accidental. It cited the existence of the former Security and Prosperity Partnership as evidence of a push towards a North American Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

[freshwest]

65. Sounds familiar... If anyone ever listened to Infowars, it's their belief system, that and this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

JBS, Libertarian, Teas, CTs. No daylight between then. Alex outted himself the day he put the current head of the JBS on his show. I hate to see people carrying water for this guy.

[neverforget]

60. How cute! They like to dress up like they're Billy Badasses

Losers.

[MattBaggins]

63. Why is the fucking guy behind the fucking concrete with a fucking weapon

aimed at people not in fucking jail?

What has fucking happened to our country?

[freshwest]

67. I think those are their pictures posted by them, may not have been known. And they aren't in jail

since they want to be martyrs and 'water the tree of liberty' with their blood. Or rather, their lady friends' blood as they intended to use them as human shield for maximum sympathy and dramatic effect. The Koches are laughing their asses off at these useful idiots.

[napkinz]

79. that's my question ... why haven't they been arrested!

posted by MindMover:





http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024846372

[krawhitham]

69. And when the 1st bullets flies most will run back home

[BlindTiresias]

75. never count on your enemy being a coward

[spanone]

71. there. you. go.

[Samantha]

78. Do you want to know who else supports the John Birch Society (NOW THIS COULD GET INTERESTING)

"Patriotic Americans should know the connection running through the far right wing Koch Brothers, Ron and Rand Paul, and the John Birch Society (JBS). But first, here are some facts about the John Birch Society, its history, and the ideology that it promotes.

* * *

"The JBS was fervently anti-Communist and actively involved in activities designed to uncover and root out Communist infiltration and conspiracies within the United States and our Government. The goal was that the United States have a greatly diminished Federal Government out of the business of social programs, regulation, public works, and education, and where men were free to conduct their business without Government intervention and with zero taxation of the rich. Tax exempt religious organizations was the preferred vehicle to ensure that the ultra wealthy would pay no taxes on business operations. Regular people would be poor, uneducated, and powerless, unable to join labor unions as they would not be allowed."

(side note: these goals sound very much like the Republican party itself, do they not? emphasis above added)

at http://www.liberalamerica.org/2013/10/09/the-koch-brothers-ron-and-rand-paul-and-the-john-birch-society/

And further, here are the Congressional voting rankings the JBS assigns members -- check out your own representatives - you might be surprised:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/

With the rise of this Bundy debacle and the now laser focus on the John Birch Society, I think some of our prominent Republican members of Congress are going to start to feel a lot of heat under their political collars....

Sam

[napkinz]

85. domestic terrorists ...