Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:34 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
Thanks, Obama.Last edited Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)
The other day I was talking to an acquaintance who watches Fox News for hours a day, if you catch my drift. We were talking about health insurance, and the words slipped out of his mouth:
"Actually, Obamacare does make it easier for individuals to buy health insurance. Before that, people were really screwed if they needed a plan and weren't under a company plan." Just as the utterance started to flow from his mouth, he realized that his audience was a flaming Liberal, and got this pained "Oh #$%@ I can't believe I'm saying this" look on his face. Priceless! Awesome! While I have issues with Obamacare, and even larger ones with its gestation, I will say that it is becoming exquisitely effective at blowing today's Republican Party to smithereens. The elected crazies have left themselves unable to hold any position other than Obamacare is Satan's spawn and must die!, yet even hard-core Republicans realize it's here, the sky hasn't fallen, and some of it is helpful. Boom! There will be a bloodletting. And in the end, blowing up today's Republican Party might be more important than anything else - as long as Democrats take advantage of it, of course. Thanks, Obama!
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MannyGoldstein | Apr 2014 | OP |
99Forever | Apr 2014 | #1 | |
chknltl | Apr 2014 | #2 | |
Cali_Democrat | Apr 2014 | #3 | |
Richardo | Apr 2014 | #5 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2014 | #4 | |
immoderate | Apr 2014 | #6 | |
MannyGoldstein | Apr 2014 | #7 | |
Stryder | Apr 2014 | #10 | |
MannyGoldstein | Apr 2014 | #11 | |
deurbano | Apr 2014 | #39 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2014 | #12 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Apr 2014 | #14 | |
IronLionZion | Apr 2014 | #32 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Apr 2014 | #35 | |
merrily | Apr 2014 | #46 | |
calimary | Apr 2014 | #23 | |
pscot | Apr 2014 | #8 | |
WillyT | Apr 2014 | #9 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Apr 2014 | #13 | |
arely staircase | Apr 2014 | #15 | |
rhett o rick | Apr 2014 | #16 | |
Marrah_G | Apr 2014 | #17 | |
rhett o rick | Apr 2014 | #18 | |
hrmjustin | Apr 2014 | #19 | |
Surya Gayatri | Apr 2014 | #20 | |
IronLionZion | Apr 2014 | #21 | |
denbot | Apr 2014 | #22 | |
Corruption Inc | Apr 2014 | #24 | |
napkinz | Apr 2014 | #25 | |
pkdu | Apr 2014 | #26 | |
pkdu | Apr 2014 | #27 | |
Progressive dog | Apr 2014 | #28 | |
scheming daemons | Apr 2014 | #29 | |
MannyGoldstein | Apr 2014 | #36 | |
dionysus | Apr 2014 | #38 | |
hrmjustin | Apr 2014 | #45 | |
MannyGoldstein | Apr 2014 | #55 | |
hrmjustin | Apr 2014 | #56 | |
Solomon | Apr 2014 | #30 | |
Rex | Apr 2014 | #31 | |
Arugula Latte | Apr 2014 | #42 | |
Rex | Apr 2014 | #44 | |
Schema Thing | Apr 2014 | #33 | |
grahamhgreen | Apr 2014 | #34 | |
JoePhilly | Apr 2014 | #37 | |
Hissyspit | Apr 2014 | #40 | |
n2doc | Apr 2014 | #41 | |
nxylas | Apr 2014 | #49 | |
merrily | Apr 2014 | #43 | |
Skittles | Apr 2014 | #47 | |
merrily | Apr 2014 | #48 | |
Control-Z | Apr 2014 | #52 | |
eridani | Apr 2014 | #50 | |
DeSwiss | Apr 2014 | #51 | |
MannyGoldstein | Apr 2014 | #53 | |
DeSwiss | Apr 2014 | #58 | |
Peacetrain | Apr 2014 | #54 | |
Zorra | Apr 2014 | #57 |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:37 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
1. K&R
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:37 PM
chknltl (10,558 posts)
2. First, (oops, on edit second) KnR
I like the way you think sir.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:43 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
3. You're welcome
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:43 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
4. Ditto! Thanks Obama!
Knocking on wood and crossing all 23 fingers and toes that the Republicans will feel pain on election day for their resistance to what will, in the end, have made a significant difference in millions of middle class lives.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:59 PM
immoderate (20,885 posts)
6. Yep! National health care is a reform that has evaded progressives for a century!
Obama deserves much credit for breaking the barrier. Time for the whole cheering section.
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Response to immoderate (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:09 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
7. Other than Medicare and Medicaid. nt
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:46 PM
Stryder (450 posts)
10. Well there is that.
Response to Stryder (Reply #10)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:51 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
11. Great clip, thanks!
Gotta watch that movie again.
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Response to Stryder (Reply #10)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 12:27 PM
deurbano (2,734 posts)
39. Just watched that movie last Sunday night to celebrate (our version of) Easter!
My 15-year-old son had never seen it, but now he is a big fan...
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #7)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:52 PM
pnwmom (107,347 posts)
12. But those reforms only covered the elderly and the very poor.
So truly national reform, covering all age and income groups, has been eluding us.
We're still not there yet, but it's much closer. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:01 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
14. Actually, the huge barrier is that it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the Government to PROVIDE something.
Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 09:45 AM
IronLionZion (41,522 posts)
32. One step at a time
building a constituency who will support further reforms that help more people and offer better benefits. Trying to change too much too quickly has been a problem in this country.
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #32)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 11:02 AM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
35. +1 eom.
Response to IronLionZion (Reply #32)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:13 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
46. Too quickly? I guess time flies when you're uninsured.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/a-brief-history-universal-health-care-efforts-in-the-us
Reform efforts began just about a century ago. Medicaid was enacted 47 years ago, Medicare enacted only a year later, 46 years ago. (Not infrequently, it's better to seize the moment, before the propaganda machine and lobbyists have a chance to do their damage.) Billarycare was attempted 21 years ago, not at all a question of too much too soon, but other issues. Romneycare 8 years ago. So was Medicare Part D. Meanwhile, Kennedy said he blocked Nixon's plan for political reasons and Carter claims Kennedy also blocked Carter's plan. Some glaciers might move faster. Besides, there would have been a tsunami of public support for Medicare for All. |
Response to immoderate (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:46 PM
calimary (73,986 posts)
23. Yes, he does. Worked a near miracle, if you ask me!
Thank you Mr. President! And Thank you Mme once-and-future Speaker (Nancy Pelosi knows how to work Congress so much better than the hapless boner does that, by Jove, SHE helped get it done). Thank you Dems! It sure as hell wasn't the GOP (my husband calls them the republi-KLAN!!!
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:36 PM
pscot (21,005 posts)
8. Mellow Manny
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:40 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
9. K & R !!!
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:56 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
13. I tell them "These are the people who STILL claim Iraq was behind 9/11".
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:15 PM
arely staircase (12,482 posts)
15. k&r nt
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:52 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
16. Is this "Regular Manny"?? I get so confused. nm
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #16)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:54 PM
Marrah_G (28,581 posts)
17. LOL
The other manny signs his "third way manny"
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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #17)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:02 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
18. There's more than one "other Manny". nm
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:04 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
19. Interesting.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:18 PM
Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)
20. Excellent post, Manny. And all the sweeter coming from a "hold his feet to the fire" Obama sceptic.
n/t
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:19 PM
IronLionZion (41,522 posts)
21. Many on the right have switched to attacking from the left
"it doesn't cover everyone!" at which point I promptly start telling them we can move forward to single payer, cover everyone, and have the lowest costs for employers. Single payer really is the pro-business plan. That really gets them very agitated.
I do the same whenever they call the ACA "socialism". |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:20 PM
denbot (9,859 posts)
22. Alert-Alert! Somebody hacked Manny's account!
Oh Noes, the end is well nigh!
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 01:51 AM
Corruption Inc (1,568 posts)
24. Self-deluded pukes always vote against their own interests
They learn nothing and are proud of it.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:32 AM
napkinz (17,194 posts)
25. Obama's message to Republicans:
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Response to napkinz (Reply #25)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:35 AM
pkdu (3,977 posts)
26. THIS !!!! times a gazillion nt
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:36 AM
pkdu (3,977 posts)
27. Manny - we agree on so much , and differ on so little...thankyou for this post. nt
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:24 AM
Progressive dog (6,557 posts)
28. K&R
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:25 AM
scheming daemons (25,487 posts)
29. What have you done with the real Manny Goldstein?
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #29)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 12:10 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
36. Ya know, it doesn't matter how many thank-you posts I do
Everyone only remembers the criticism.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #36)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 12:22 PM
dionysus (26,467 posts)
38. thats because 99% of your posts are criticism. but i recced your thread anyhow
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #36)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:38 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
45. Your posts are usually memorable.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #45)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:59 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
55. Like being tear gassed. nt
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #55)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:06 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
56. is that how it feels for you?
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:37 AM
Solomon (12,068 posts)
30. Well blow me down!
I'm shocked I tells ya. I almost didn't open the thread because I assumed it was more snark from Manny.
Now that's what you call banking credibility! Lol |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:43 AM
Rex (65,616 posts)
31. My RWing neighbors hate hearing the word Obamacare
so naturally I say it whenever I can and very loudly. I guess I could call it the ACA...but why be nice? They watch Foxnews like it was their religion! Makes me wish they would watch something less mind numbingly stupid...like CBN. Sad that I think CBN is less biased than Foxnews...but there you have it.
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Response to Rex (Reply #31)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:16 PM
Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)
42. "Obamacare" started out as a rightwing pejorative term,
and now that the term has been embraced by the other side and Obamacare is working a lot of them can't stand to hear it or use it.
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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #42)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:31 PM
Rex (65,616 posts)
44. Yeah 8 million people so far are benefiting from Obamacare.
I like to remind my neighbor of that when he starts to talk smack about the POTUS.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 09:59 AM
Schema Thing (10,283 posts)
33. Please repeat till understood:
Quote: "And in the end, blowing up today's Republican Party might be more important than anything else" |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 10:36 AM
grahamhgreen (15,741 posts)
34. Just imagine when he gets his single payer card in the mail;)
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 12:14 PM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
37. This is the kind of thing that should energize the Democratic base. nt
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 12:37 PM
Hissyspit (45,788 posts)
40. Point out to them: "Study: Obamacare didn't necessarily lead to health plan cancellations"
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 01:19 PM
n2doc (47,953 posts)
41. Even Spray-tan Boehner gave up
Now they are frantically trying to come up with an "alternative" to the ACA. Which they won't be able to do because they are so beholden to the Koch's and other scum, who are adamantly opposed to any sort of plan that increases health care access and decreases costs. They are flailing like an alligator biting an electric eel.
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Response to n2doc (Reply #41)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:57 PM
nxylas (6,440 posts)
49. Their alternatives are the same ones they always propose
Tort reform and allowing people to buy across state lines - aka making it more difficult to sue for malpractice and a race to the bottom in state laws.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:24 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
43. Whodda thunk that putting all 50 of your dumbasss eggs into
Last edited Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:15 PM - Edit history (1) a single dumbass basket would prove to be a dumbass political move?
Color me shocked. Belated Happy Easter, dumbass Republican House. |
Response to merrily (Reply #43)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:35 PM
Skittles (147,799 posts)
47. I'm very much enjoying it
and Mr. Bundy is the icing on the cake
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Response to Skittles (Reply #47)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:37 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
48. Great timing, too. November is getting closer.
There's got to be an "all hat, no cattle" joke around here somewhere that we could adapt for Bundy.
Dems should turn it into a new expression. We can spray, FOX, Kochs, Republicants, and Paulists, all at the same time. |
Response to merrily (Reply #48)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:02 PM
Control-Z (15,681 posts)
52. You're right.
I wish I could be clever that way.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 05:18 PM
eridani (51,907 posts)
50. I've certainly gotten to like it a lot better since conservatives hate it so much
I was not thrilled with the arrest of single payer advocates, nor leaving out the public option. However the debates in 2009-10 convinced me that we will never get single payer at the national level. It's going to have to be state by state, and ACA makes provisions for that.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 06:57 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
51. ''And in the end, blowing up today's Republican Party might be more important than anything else''
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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #51)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:14 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
53. This cartoon is awesome.
Or is it a comic?
Whatever. Thank you! |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #53)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 09:38 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
58. Gracias and de nada. n/t
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:32 PM
Peacetrain (22,239 posts)
54. Good thread..
The republicans really are having issues on how to deal with this. They just can't seem to comprehend, that health care for all is a good thing..
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:36 PM
Zorra (27,670 posts)
57. Yep. I've been serving hot steaming crow very graciously to republican acquaintances.
It's one of my specialty dishes.
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