An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history

[struggle4progress]

An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history
Posted: Monday, April 21, 2014 6:36 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 1:30 PM EDT
By Steve Kanigher

... U.S. District Judge Johnnie Rawlinson .. wrote that it wasn’t until roughly 1954 that “Bundy or his father or both have grazed livestock on public lands owned by the United States and administered by the BLM” ...

Clark County Recorder documents show the 160-acre Bunkerville ranch Bundy calls home was purchased .. on Jan. 5, 1948. Cliven Bundy was born in 1946 ...

Federal grazing districts were established with passage by Congress of the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934. The Las Vegas area grazing district was established Nov. 3, 1936. The Bureau of Land Management was formed in 1946 ...

County records show the earliest construction on Bundy’s ranch was in 1951 ...

[hobbit709]

1. But facts never get in the way of RW lies.

[struggle4progress]

2. Well, here's the thing: I don't expect to stop people from lying

In my experience, almost everybody does it sometimes, and I think I know some people who seem to lie constantly, just for joy and practice

In political fights, however, the wrong lie can be very costly, and so I think it's always worth looking for nice factual soundbites that discredit an opponent, like

The federal grazing district there was established a decade before Cliven was born, a dozen years before his family bought any of that property, fifteen years before the family began construction on that land, and close to twenty years before they ever grazed any cattle there

The wackadoodles won't listen, of course, but their heads were already filled with strange ideas -- such as "The county sheriff is the only legitimate law enforcement official" or "No court can hold me subject to Federal jurisdiction, if I don't recognize the Federal government" or "All our problems go back to the Fourteenth Amendment" -- so there may be little point in trying to reason with them

But most people aren't nuts, even if many are uninformed, and one can reason with them, if one has the right facts and if one is also willing to listen to what they say back