Bundy'z Dem rep said militias have set up checkpoints (HW link added)

[Skidmore]

through which area residents are forced to pass to get to their homes. His constituents have also complained about being fearful of sending their children out because they have snipers on the hills. Told Kornacki this on Hardball Weekend this morning. Said that he was asking Bundy to tell these people to leave. No link yet.

Adding link: http://on.msnbc.com/1ilWv2f

[MohRokTah]

1. Terrorism

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

[Skidmore]

2. It seems to me that the militia people are

also engaging in the more pedestrian crimes of extortion and aiding and abetting a thief. That guy on the bridge with that gun still pisses me off.

[Baitball Blogger]

4. This is what the right-wing gun culture has been preparing for.

They are going to try to push the issue to win public opinion, as they did with Waco. Except, this time, their man is definitely whacko.

[safeinOhio]

17. Well,

you nailed it.

[Crunchy Frog]

40. You were right about this early on, and your many detractors were wrong. n/t

[mindem]

3. Where do these militia freaks work?

How can you take all kinds of time off to run around playing army with your little fascist club? They must be getting social security or militiary pensions or some kind of "taker stuff".

[riversedge]

5. Doesn't the local sheriff have any authority?

[2naSalit]

11. He's on their side of the issue..?

[Nevernose]

21. No, he thinks they're nut bags, too

I'm assuming that he just doesn't want to start a range war over the issue, and that he's waiting for July/August, when 90% of these militia guys realize just how freaking hot it gets in the Mojave.

[2naSalit]

26. Well the heat

isn't likely to bother some who have desert experience either from our recent wars or because they have been holed up in AZ and the desert areas here. If you go hang out in some of those desert locations for a spell in the "off season" you'll see how many of them are permanently camped out there... rather daunting when you realize it.

I am glad to hear the Sheriff isn't on their side, he'd be in big trouble if he was.

I suspect there will be an end to this before long, law abiding citizens are getting pretty fed up with these deranged buffoons and I'm sure the government is too. But part of the reason the bundy thing has gone on so long is that he threatened this kind of stand off back in the 90s and the feds decided to try and go about it in the courts, but it didn't work.

Frankly, I don't give two shits about how many of them might commit suicide by authorities at this point. They need to be put down as an insurrection and all their enablers should be in jail including Hannity, Ailes and the rest of the loud-mouth-sh*t4brains crowd. I appreciate free speech but this has come to the point of forfeiture of their "rights" because it tramples on the rights of all others.

[Nevernose]

29. I'd originally typed something about "all of them" and the heat

Before I remembered that a lot of them probably do have service in Iraq or some other foreign hellhole.

He did start this shit in the 90s, but it was right after Ruby Ridge and Waco, so I'm assuming the Feds didn't want another PR nightmare on their hands. I actually attended a bunch of militia meetings in Las Vegas at the time and have heard the sovereign citizen lunacy up close and personal.

(I was never a militia member, but my best feiend's patents were. We used to get high, sit in the back, and laugh at them. Nice people, mostly, just stubbornly ignorant and the types to say "I don't want to sound racist, BUT...&quot

[sulphurdunn]

44. If any of these morons

ever wore the uniform of the United States they are not only traitors but also oath breakers. That personality type describes lots of Confederates, especially those higher up the food chain, then and now. The real threat isn't the gun nut running around playing 1860. The real threats, and the worst traitors are in board rooms and the halls of legislatures. They use their flying monkeys to push the agenda of corporate oligarchy.

[2naSalit]

63. Yeah...

I have unfortunate acquaintances with a whole bunch of those in Idaho and Montana... only because they are neighbors and some are employers. Long as I don't say anything in their presence, I have places to work... it's a tightrope sort of thing, and most are mormons too (they own a lot of businesses in the region since they see this as their very own zion and all that). But I'm not willing to give up the benefits of where I live because of a crowd of idiots, especially when I can get away from them when I don't have to be at work. I've been hoping to get out of the private sector so I can live here and not have to be beholding to them for income. I might be just that lucky in a couple weeks.

But then, in Idaho I know that some of the public sector folks are members as are some in Montana. It's they way things are in the west, they still want it to be the 1880s.

[riversedge]

47. Glad to hear this.

[jwirr]

31. Sure - until he tries to use it. The question of where they get their money from is a good one. Are

they being paid by someone like Koch or are they all freeloaders also on a country they do not believe exists.

[Baitball Blogger]

7. If they served in the military in a staff capacity,

they get really nice pensions. I don't fault them for these pensions. I fault the ones who have what I call "the Petraeus effect." That's what I describe ex-high-ranking military retirees who think they can still pull rank in civilian life. In Florida communities, it can be a problem. The worst of them will ignore Association documents, for example, and plow ahead with ideas that are forged in consensus groups.

It makes you feel like you're in a war zone, sometimes.

[RKP5637]

10. Yep, I certainly don't fault anyone their pensions either. Sadly, some are twisted and try to

undermine the country while thinking they are doing good and a fair number are outright bullies. I used to run into this all of the time in companies I worked in where the parent company had hired in a lot of retired high level military people putting them into senior management positions without the background for their job.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Exactly right about being bullies.

They think that ramming unpopular decisions down our throats is a sign of strength. The truth is that they don't have the background to do the job properly. This is what makes social networking between the public and private sector such a danger in our society. You can add lawyers to the mix who have learned to benefit from propping one of these guys as a leader in the community to push ideas that are downright illegal. Forces you to knock down the sacred cow just to defend your rights.

[mopinko]

19. had a friend in silver springs. md.

drove out there for a protest in my big old anti-bush art car. she would have had me hide it in the garage, but there was no room.
she was truly worried about having it parked out there.
crazy.

[Baltimore]

38. Silver Spring, Md.

I'm a displaced Marylander and I was always under the impression (and Google pretty much confirms it) that Silver Spring is a Democratic stronghold. I wouldn't expect to be threatened there.
Baltimore

[mopinko]

53. actually, i take that back. she was in alexandria.

my bad. anyway, her whole block was retired military. she lived on a little cul-de-sac, of course.
it wasnt that she thought there would be any violence, just that they didnt need to be reminded that she was not on the same side.

[Crunchy Frog]

41. Or subsidies from the Koch brothers. n/t

[Paladin]

49. Damn good question. Those assault rifles are expensive. (nt)

[toddwv]

73. Saw plenty of "Navy" hats and other military related gear.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that most of them get regular gubmint checks.

Something that should be looked into because if they are in open rebellion to the US Federal government, the US Treasury doesn't need to be funding their antics.

[zeemike]

6. Well they "won" the confrontation with BLM

So now they feel embolden.
And that was the problem with BLM backing down...this is not over.

[MannyGoldstein]

25. +1 nt

[RKP5637]

8. I wish I could find some more detail on this, I searched some, nothing more yet ... just that the

FBI has infiltrated them and investigating ...

[Skidmore]

23. Link to Hardball Weekend discussion with Rep. Horsford

http://on.msnbc.com/1ilWv2f

[RKP5637]

24. Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[tblue37]

67. Good. Maybe the FBI is letting them extend the amount of rope they are using,

just to make sure there is plenty to "hang" all of them with (= a metaphorical "hang" there, not a literal one).

[RKP5637]

68. Individuals that pull this type of sh** to me are, or border on, being domestic terrorists! n/t

[tblue37]

69. Yep--and I hope they are being closely observed and that the

feds are collecting plenty of evidence to charge them with later. Maybe the feds really do have infiltrators.

[craigmatic]

9. Where are the state troopers and the feds? If this was an inner city drug case they'd be all over it

[2naSalit]

15. along with their new tanks. n/t

[oneofthe99]

13. no way , check points on public roads by militias?

I smell bullshit on that , they would be arrested in a heartbeat

[socialist_n_TN]

46. Are you sure they would be "...arrested in a heartbeat"?.........

Fascists are the attack dogs of capitalism. The big bourgeoisie doesn't let them off the leash too often because they are truly "loose cannons" AND some power has to be ceded to them and lost by the other players when they ARE unleashed.

HOWEVER, there's always an element of the big bourgeoisie who thinks they can "control" the fascists or, to use a phrase Hindenburg used when Hitler was installed, they can "work with them". A segment of the owners also think they can also use the fascists to advance their OWN economic agenda. The Kochs and their ilk want mineral rights on governmental holdings AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THOSE RIGHTS. Not even the miniscule amounts the government would charge. Ergo, gin up this fight against big, bad government. The same government that they, BTW, mostly own.

I don't think that the government or at least the powers the own the government under capitalism, will be too quick to restrain these guys. Not until they've served their economic purpose anyway.

[oneofthe99]

48. I do believe they would and should have been arrested on day one when this

fiasco started but BLM tried to handle it with kid gloves from the start.

State police should have been involved but check points where they are stopping driving and walking traffic on public road ways ?

I don't think that's happening and the Representative on the video clip has the wrong definition of what a check point is.

[freshwest]

61. It's happened before in some rural areas. That's why they get away with it.

In Idaho, Pennsylvania and in other places most of us just don't want to visit.

When the local authorities are outmanned, outgunned, defunded or demoralized, or agree with them, it happens,. This has been encouraged openly and sheriffs and others have been put on notice they will go along or be put out of ofiice.

There is an undercurrent of criminal activity being tolerated. I've seen it up close, they know they have the numbers to hold onto good sized areas of land and they don't hide it. I believe the story, these guys have not left, are holding news conferences and being fed and housed there.

FWIW. I could google and link a number of stories, from ID, UT, PA and WI that were posted on DU, but BS is in the eye of the beholder. Facts don't matter and the law doesn't either when dealing with the special interpretation of the Constitution and BoR that these guys have.

[spanone]

14. i would tell them to stick their 'checkpoints' directly up their asses

[ladjf]

54. and had you done that, they probably would have shot you. nt

[spanone]

60. and i would be proud to take a bullet if it put those assholes in jail...nt

[ck4829]

16. Can't you just feel the freedom?

[safeinOhio]

18. What are they going to do.

Shoot anyone that doesn't stop to be checked?

[riversedge]

20. For some odd reason, I thought the guns had gone home--or

onto the next big gig!

[Skidmore]

22. link to Hardball Weekend discussion with Cong. Horsford and John Ralston

http://on.msnbc.com/1ilWv2f

[oneofthe99]

27. Okay if you listen to what he said they were in the hills

or the militia are walking around armed with Bundy at church. I did not interpret it as roadway check points where they are stopping traffic. Like I said they would have been arrested in a heat beat if they did that on public road ways.

Huge difference

[Skidmore]

36. He distinctly said that these groups have "set up their checkpointsthat people have to go through

to get to their homes."

[oneofthe99]

43. I watched it again and I didn't interrupt it that way unless yours and his definition

is different what a check point is.

A check point is where they are stopping cars and citizens .

[12kbush]

28. Beware

Take nothing for chance when it comes to those well-funded lap dogs & BUNDY welfare cheats,. remember their racist performaoce during the 2009 fight for the ACA. who would want then leading Congress NOV 2014 when they have done such a horrible job this term..

[Squinch]

30. This is what the world would look like if tea baggers ran it.

[randr]

32. Not very different from the Russian goons invading the Ukraine

[Squinch]

33. Yep. I am guessing they don't see the parallels.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. Somalia, anyone?

[lastlib]

37. That pretty well nails it.

Mao Tse-tung said that "political power flows from the barrel of a gun." And these goons are evidently taking that to heart.

[Dawson Leery]

57. For those Democrats who do not care for Mary Landrieu and Mark Pryor....

remember this case. Mary and Mark are far superior to ANY tea bagging bigot. There is no comparison.
Please do what you can to help then win re-election.

[Squinch]

59. This is a good point. Those posters who say, "There's no difference between the parties

and I'm going to show my displeasure by not voting" are, in my opinion, intellectually and practically lazy.

[pacalo]

72. +1.

[heaven05]

34. american terrorists

pure and simple. The american people are in the proverbial frog in boiling water pot scenario. The heat is slowly rising in that melting/crock pot.

[Crunchy Frog]

39. This situation fucking needs to be handled.

Seems that the BLM giving in to him and giving his cows back didn't defuse a damn thing.

If this isn't dealt with, we will all be at risk of living under a kind of privatized martial law.

I hope the people on here who were so supportive of the BLM backing down are happy with things now.

[Skidmore]

42. Link from the Baltimore Sun with "Patriot Checkpoint".

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2014/04/at-scene-of-cliven-bundys-nevada-ranch-standoff-citizen-soldiers-are-on-guard/#1


Full photo gallery at this link.

[hootinholler]

64. Good article! n/t

[panader0]

45. These guys are begging for another Ruby Ridge or Waco.

I know a couple of gun nuts and those places(words) are almost sacred to them, proof of the evil of the Feds. This thing needs to be defused in a way that avoids giving them another rallying cry. While it is maddening to law-abiding folks, a violent confrontation would only fuel the fire and add recruits to these nuts.

[madmom]

50. So what would happen if someone who didn't want to

stop for their checkpoint pulled their gun out?

[MineralMan]

51. In researching this, it appears that the only "checkpoint" that exists

is at the road leading to Bundy's ranch, just off the state highway. It appears that this story is somewhat overstated. The militia morons are stopping people heading to the Bundy ranch.

[riderinthestorm]

65. The snipers are also part of this story. As a parent, I'd be freaked

My kids would suddenly be in the middle of something.

Alarm is warranted imh.

[lostincalifornia]

52. They should send the national guard in. Those are public roads

[951-Riverside]

55. The LDS needs to talk to Bundy before this gets out of hand.

I believe whats left are felons, people with severe mental issues and maybe even people wanted for crimes in other states who are hiding out on this ranch. All of these people are heavily armed and have nothing to lose, on top of it this "movement" is slowly creeping away from " protectin' " a racist who is freeloading his cattle from the evil gub'mint to ".Hey! lets set up checkpoints on public roads then go out and destroy toll boths and attack dept of forestry employees". They'll probably turn their attention to Vegas soon.

This is going to end unimaginably horribly if these people start branching outside of the compound and start going into towns. The worst case is senario: We have 50 or more Chris Dorners, Adam Lanzas and John Mohamed's loose in the state of Nevada.

The LDS leadership needs to step in and try to get Bundy to end this or excommunicate his ass.

The First Presidency has instructed that disciplinary councils must be held in cases of murder, incest, or apostasy. A disciplinary council must also be held when a prominent Church leader commits a serious transgression, when the transgressor is a predator who may be a threat to other persons, when the person shows a pattern of repeated serious transgressions, when a serious transgression is widely known, and when the transgressor is guilty of serious deceptive practices and false representations or other terms of fraud or dishonesty in business transactions.

Disciplinary councils may also be convened to consider a member’s standing in the Church following serious transgression such as abortion, transsexual operation, attempted murder, rape, forcible sexual abuse, intentionally inflicting serious physical injuries on others, adultery, fornication, homosexual relations, child abuse (sexual or physical), spouse abuse, deliberate abandonment of family responsibilities, robbery, burglary, embezzlement, theft, sale of illegal drugs, fraud, perjury, or false swearing.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1990/09/a-chance-to-start-over-church-disciplinary-councils-and-the-restoration-of-blessings?lang=eng

*sniff* I'd say publicly lying to the media about how long his family have been grazing on the land, asking armed followers to go out and confront federal agents using firearms, lying again to a Right Wing radio show and denying that he said "the negros" were better off "pickin' cotton, stealing federal land for his own person gains and using slurs like "black boy". "colored people" and "negro".

but who are we kidding, its the LDS. They'll probably excommunicate him for something like "consorting" with that bodyguard who said he'd take a bullet for "Mister Bundy".

[Dawson Leery]

56. In the rest of the world, these terrorists would have been taken out.

[Tsiyu]

58. The neighbors need to start recording this activity

and putting it up on youtube.

They are not going to put up with it for long. No one wants to be detained unnecessarily when they want to go about their daily business- most especially not by goons with guns.

BUT...if the Feds have infiltrated - and they of course have insiders by now - they are learning quite a bit about the "strategy" of these sovereign traitors.

To paraphrase the prez:

"When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything, you just let them talk. That's what's happening here."

These "patriots" are like the runners at the starting line who jump the gun. They thought most of 'Muricca was gonna git behind ol' Cliven. And the revolution would be on.... they've been ready for sooooo long.

But they jumped the gun. So now they are exposed. Probably holing up at Bundy's place because they're too afraid to go back home.

Let them reveal their plans. They can be taken down non-violently that way, and we learn more about how these groups operate.

My .02, which could be merde

Peace.

[AverageJoe90]

62. No surprises here, sadly. nt

[tblue37]

66. HOW are they not being arrested and charged for this?! nt

[alp227]

70. let me get this straight

New Black Panthers with clubs = voter intimidation;

but white militias waving their guns everywhere to defend Cliven Bundy against turruhnee: FREEDOM! SECOND AMENDMENT! STANDING UP TO THE KENYAN MARXIST HOMOSEXUAL IN CHIEF!

[Cha]

71. Great Dem Rep.. Steven Horsford.. saw Rachel interview him the other night online..

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/armed-militia-unwanted-by-ranchers-neighbors-236458563703

thanks Skidmore