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blm

(113,043 posts)
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 09:59 AM Apr 2014

RW's 'Bundy' hypocrisy: GOP-run states rewriting land rules to FORCE FRACKING on landowners


GOP governors are rewriting rules to FORCE FRACKING on private landowners state by state.

And they are doing it for their fascist puppet masters like Koch Industries. Interesting that no news media picked up on that major hypocrisy throughout this Bundy story. It's OK for Koch puppet Republicans to force fracking on private landowners, but, not OK for federal marshals to collect fees owed for use of public lands?

This is the point that ALL Dem spokespeople should be making in their attacks against GOP governors and Kochs. Not ALL tea baggers will be happy with the facts.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/28/3145187/officials-ok-rule-to-force-fracking.html

Officials OK rule to force fracking on NC landowners

RALEIGH — North Carolina landowners would be forced to sell the natural gas under their homes and farms – whether they want to or not – under a fracking recommendation approved Wednesday that’s expected to be enacted by the state legislature this fall.

The proposal by a state study group endorses a rarely used 1945 law that’s never been tried here on the kind of scale that would be required for shale gas exploration, or fracking. Thousands of property owners could potentially be affected in the state’s gas-rich midsection in Lee, Moore and Chatham counties.

The recommendation, dealing with one of the most emotional fracking issues, bypasses the N.C. Mining and Energy Commission, which holds regular public hearings on protecting the public and safeguarding the environment, and goes to the legislature.

“We are talking about a for-profit industry taking away personal freedoms with the blessing of the government,” Therese Vick, a community activist with the Blue Ridge Environmental Defense League, told the Compulsory Pooling Study Group. “Personal freedoms are seldom on the radar when the gas companies come to town.”
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RW's 'Bundy' hypocrisy: GOP-run states rewriting land rules to FORCE FRACKING on landowners (Original Post) blm Apr 2014 OP
All Hail Dick Cheney. Octafish Apr 2014 #1
The rodent wrote that into US "Energy Policy" during the secret session Triana Apr 2014 #2
Odd how that works. Octafish Apr 2014 #7
GOP governors rewriting rules - I doubt they told their voters that was on their agenda. blm Apr 2014 #3
Not on the radar. Octafish Apr 2014 #8
thx for the link blm Apr 2014 #29
Land rights vs. Underground Rights packman Apr 2014 #4
I know a family whose 800 acre dairy farm in Pennsylvania is completely worthless now. blm Apr 2014 #6
Were they forced to lease their mineral rights?? sunnystarr Apr 2014 #9
How true packman Apr 2014 #13
They didn't sell. They are now part of a class action suit. blm Apr 2014 #14
I know oil cos justabob Apr 2014 #5
And who will be responsible RoccoR5955 Apr 2014 #10
bookmarking this. Brigid Apr 2014 #11
Force pooling may be new in North Carolina..... Paladin Apr 2014 #12
Yes, it's true. They_Live Apr 2014 #20
In this country of ours sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #15
Would make for an interesting discussion for the media to impart to the masses K&R AuntPatsy Apr 2014 #16
Apparently, the corporate media does NOT want to have this discussion. blm Apr 2014 #21
k and r snagglepuss Apr 2014 #17
K & R They_Live Apr 2014 #18
Recommend! KoKo Apr 2014 #19
Would those who were willing to use deadly force against Bundy also be willing to use such Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #22
Only if MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #23
That's exactly my point. blm Apr 2014 #24
Thank-you. However, can I take a moment to note the irony of your user name? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #25
small b...small l....small m blm Apr 2014 #27
Republicans: For personal freedom as long as it doesn't affect profits. chrisa Apr 2014 #26
They were for personal freedoms till Koch Industries paid them to be against it. blm Apr 2014 #28
 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
2. The rodent wrote that into US "Energy Policy" during the secret session
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 10:25 AM
Apr 2014

held during the bu$h years. NO environmental groups or interests were allowed - only Tricky Dick II and his oil, coal, and gas friends. They feathered their oily, chemical-laden, greed-driven nests then.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Not on the radar.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

SourceWatch does state-by-state analysis for those interested in seeing just how low these govs have to go to sneak under the radar that the nation's watchdog press has conveniently left unplugged:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fracking

Stealth government is un-democratic, but very, very profitable.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
4. Land rights vs. Underground Rights
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 10:49 AM
Apr 2014

Coming from Pennsylvania, I can tell you that very many people are surprised when they discover that while they own the surface land rights to build on, they DO NOT own the rights to whatever is underground. I have seen houses, buildings, even a church undermined and become unsafe to live in or occupy when coal seams are exploited beneath them. And, nothing can be done because this been going on forever and has/had the blessing of the state and the state's courts. Big business won out in Pennsylvania and probably will in North Carolina.

blm

(113,043 posts)
6. I know a family whose 800 acre dairy farm in Pennsylvania is completely worthless now.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 11:11 AM
Apr 2014

Fracking poisoned the land and their 5 wells.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
9. Were they forced to lease their mineral rights??
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 11:28 AM
Apr 2014

Or did they go for the cash without thinking about the ramifications? The law doesn't protect you when you make a bad deal unless it was fraudulent.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
13. How true
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:28 PM
Apr 2014

Many farmers, land owners only see the dollar signs when money is being thrown at them for mineral rights.

justabob

(3,069 posts)
5. I know oil cos
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

are at the top of the power pyramid and hard to fight, but where are the real estate people? They aren't exactly powerless, or moneyless.... and what about the rights of property owners to enjoy (or not) their land without interference from outside? Land ownership has been hailed as the be all end all for quite some time... this new push for eminent domain over mineral rights pretty much cuts right through the whole "bundle of rights" folks have as property owners and the reason that bundle exists in the first place. At some point these two industries (and others involving land use... never mind environmental groups) are going to have to come to terms and I do wonder what it will look like.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
12. Force pooling may be new in North Carolina.....
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:04 PM
Apr 2014

....but it's been established law in many states for decades, pre-dating fracking technology, Dick Cheney, the Koch bros., GOP governors, etc. Any time an active oil and gas region is developed, it's likely that some form of force pooling actions are going to arise, and some of the people affected aren't going to be happy. Unfortunate but true.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
15. In this country of ours
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:58 PM
Apr 2014

the corporate mindset is that freedom and democracy are commodities to be purchased like any others. If you can't buy them you're not entitled to them.

blm

(113,043 posts)
21. Apparently, the corporate media does NOT want to have this discussion.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 09:31 AM
Apr 2014

Gee - could be their biggest advertisers are making sure they don't talk about it.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
22. Would those who were willing to use deadly force against Bundy also be willing to use such
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 09:37 AM
Apr 2014

force against someone who didn't want a well on their property? Would they support regulations that would choke the property owners into abandoning their homes?

blm

(113,043 posts)
24. That's exactly my point.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 09:50 AM
Apr 2014

And why the heck is the entire media so SILENT when the hypocrisy is so blatant?

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