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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:01 PM Apr 2014

Why Christian Movies Continue To Crush It At The Box Office

Over the (last) weekend, the religious film "Heaven is for Real" performed extremely well at the box office, earning $22.5 million. It's the largest Easter opening for a faith-based film, blowing past Johnny Depp's "Transcendence."

It's also the fourth recent Christian film that has taken off at theaters, following "Son of God," "God's Not Dead," and Darren Aronofsky's "Noah."

The success of the genre has spurred discussions about a Bible boom at the box office and whether 2014 is the year of the Christian film.

But BoxOffice.com chief analyst Phil Contrino tells us we shouldn't be surprised by how well these movies are performing.

"Religious crowds are underserved, and they have been for a while now," Contrino tells Business Insider. "What you're seeing is a big section of the population that wants movies that speak directly to them with themes they can relate to. So there's no surprise that's there's this rush out."


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-faith-based-movies-are-doing-well-at-box-office-2014-4

No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the record for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. -- H L Mencken
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Why Christian Movies Continue To Crush It At The Box Office (Original Post) FarCenter Apr 2014 OP
I hadn't realized "Noah" was a Christian Movie. n/t eShirl Apr 2014 #1
It's not, it's made by an atheist and until it was needed as part of the list Christians Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #5
I think he meant that Noah is an OT story, not a NT story. stopbush Apr 2014 #16
it's counted as one of 4 recent Christian movies eShirl Apr 2014 #83
it shouldn't be lame54 Apr 2014 #115
It's a Jewish story, made by a Jewish director, that used lots of Midrash villager Apr 2014 #159
I think the point is... lame54 Apr 2014 #160
Well, but the material Aronofsky used is part of the point, too. "Midrash" is not part of villager Apr 2014 #161
Well, to be fair to the christians... Scootaloo Apr 2014 #82
So true. I didn't think the intelligentsia here on DU were so misinformed demosincebirth Apr 2014 #138
People will always pay to be told what they want to hear. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #2
Because movie theaters are dying so they're turning to the church to keep them afloat 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #3
that's funny..... there was an old movie theater in town ejpoeta Apr 2014 #84
It all started with the torture porn known as The Passion phil89 Apr 2014 #4
It really started with Big Blue Marble Apr 2014 #35
"The Ten Commandments" 1923. Jenoch Apr 2014 #45
I have seen it too! Big Blue Marble Apr 2014 #49
I've wondered something about the 1956 film. Jenoch Apr 2014 #62
Ben Hur is from 1959, currently owned by Turner, but MGM who made the 59 version Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #93
10 Commandments! Edward G. Robinson...."Nyah, nyah...where's yer messiah NOW????" MADem Apr 2014 #102
Wierdest.Casting.Ever. (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #146
I kept expecting him to come out sneering and saying things like MADem Apr 2014 #153
right here... lame54 Apr 2014 #116
"crush it" is an overstatement Orrex Apr 2014 #6
and here I thought Noah was jewish lol nt msongs Apr 2014 #14
So was Jesus...but don't tell the Christians! stopbush Apr 2014 #17
Noah predates Abraham Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #27
Yep. Harry_Scrote Apr 2014 #33
"Heaven is for Real" is a perverted fantasy aimed at Pentecostals/Charismatics Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #31
Huh so us plain old Christians AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #76
I agree with you. Noah, which was soundly crticized as trief by Christians is lumped Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #94
It's doing pretty well... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #148
What is it to any of you? Union Scribe Apr 2014 #7
Valid point if the people that flock to these mmonk Apr 2014 #8
So what way does "Heaven is Real" force people to vote? Union Scribe Apr 2014 #13
...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #51
People don't think superhero stories are real. phil89 Apr 2014 #11
So..... AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #77
If all of your education has simply led you to an argument from ignorance fallacy phil89 Apr 2014 #107
You just proved his assumption joeglow3 Apr 2014 #120
By correctly pointing out a logical fallacy? phil89 Apr 2014 #124
LOL of course not AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #128
I'm very open minded, in fact. Please provide evidence of your god claim and I'll believe. phil89 Apr 2014 #167
Faith is not a logical fallacy. It exists outside the bounds of logic. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #133
Interesting AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #135
I would never say God doesn't exist. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #137
You Sure You Know What Faith Means? ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #157
I do not have faith. phil89 Apr 2014 #165
There is no AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #129
Please don't misunderstand. Atheism does not require faith. phil89 Apr 2014 #166
Truth and faith are much weaker concepts than most, including you, want to admit... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #131
Is Tautology 101 in session? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #132
Ask an astrophysicist if the universe is bounded and they will give you a similar explanation. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #136
DU Cred... Must. Hate. Faith. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #12
Yep. Union Scribe Apr 2014 #15
"Faith" is very much a George W. Bush term Nevernose Apr 2014 #21
Good points. Thanks. Lex Apr 2014 #43
Can you explain what's wrong with "hating faith"? alp227 Apr 2014 #38
Well yeah - there's nothing wrong with hating people because they think el_bryanto Apr 2014 #41
...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #56
I'd offer that people here don't hate people who are different than them Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #100
^^ this ^^ Phlem Apr 2014 #103
Yes. Gets tiresome. 840high Apr 2014 #55
Only some faiths....NT Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #60
Get off the cross, we need the wood. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #66
Why do you need the wood? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #78
No reason. (hides matches behind back.) LeftyMom Apr 2014 #99
Oh AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #125
LMFAO AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #74
Yup, to be considered a member of the DU uber-hip necessitates regular mention of an ... 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #92
Helps it you're sporting a "soul patch" Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #147
It's called "tolerance" ;-) Puddy Apr 2014 #150
Superhero movies don't generally encourage a belief in real-world magical thinking Orrex Apr 2014 #20
The fact that the book was listed as "non-fiction" scares me. white_wolf Apr 2014 #25
I agree, and I feel the same way about tales of "reincarnated" children Orrex Apr 2014 #26
That really isn't a strange waste of time, it can be productive snooper2 Apr 2014 #29
So you beilieve that that child actually visited Heaven? As in non-fiction level ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #34
Possibly AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #75
As soon as someone rolls out "you can't prove or disprove it!"... Silent3 Apr 2014 #91
Charming AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #127
Please explain how criticism of a tired, hackneyed Silent3 Apr 2014 #130
I have an open mind AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #134
When did I ever say that a god or gods can't possibly exist? Silent3 Apr 2014 #144
LOL, sensitive? Look up "Discussion Board" and quit whining! nt Logical Apr 2014 #44
I would imagine wheniwasincongress Apr 2014 #9
Exactly... jmowreader Apr 2014 #81
I saw "Heaven Is For Real" Wednesday and must say I enjoyed it very much. The actors were monmouth3 Apr 2014 #10
Saw it with my family - we 840high Apr 2014 #54
Truth be told, most movies are stupid. kwassa Apr 2014 #18
Ten Mainstream films or ten films in general? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #42
ten films of any kind. kwassa Apr 2014 #46
That's not accurate el_bryanto Apr 2014 #47
90% of everything is crap... lame54 Apr 2014 #117
I think it is refreshing Redford Apr 2014 #19
$22.5 million is "Crush(ing) It At The Box Office? 99Forever Apr 2014 #22
It's the largest Easter opening for a faith-based film Brother Buzz Apr 2014 #24
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 99Forever Apr 2014 #40
Harry Potter was comparatively fact-based. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2014 #63
Good marketing? These films were released during the Lent/Easter season, stopbush Apr 2014 #23
Times them about right for a DVD release for Christmas Shopping Season too. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #70
Also, alot of kids were on Spring Break... blueamy66 Apr 2014 #86
"Heaven is for Real" is is bibically inacurate, more so than Noah. Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #28
I'm not a fundie - enjoyed 840high Apr 2014 #57
Because churches will market them cheaply LeftyMom Apr 2014 #30
Are you implying that people who watch religious-themed movies are stupid? LittleBlue Apr 2014 #32
Yes, since generally they are falling for the life after death scam FarCenter Apr 2014 #37
How would you know? 840high Apr 2014 #53
You don't expect your software to continue running after you unplug your PC and remove the battery FarCenter Apr 2014 #58
You think software is a "mind"? bananas Apr 2014 #65
Incarnation doesn't work because there is no mechanism for transfer FarCenter Apr 2014 #97
There is also no way to create something from nothing joeglow3 Apr 2014 #122
You don't die when you reach your destination and get out of your car. Your problem is you confuse KittyWampus Apr 2014 #88
I'm not confusing the mind with the brain FarCenter Apr 2014 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Apr 2014 #90
As are imaginary red and blue lines we often fight over, for and behind... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #108
I would imply that anyone who says Mariana Apr 2014 #68
Free tickets, paid for by PACs ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #36
If I feel like watching bad movies, I'd watch Michael Bay films. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #39
E.T is actually the Christ story redone KurtNYC Apr 2014 #48
And the Atari Video game is Christianity! Gore1FL Apr 2014 #64
But no one pretends that E.T. isn't fiction Mariana Apr 2014 #69
Holy S... I never thought of it that way. Xyzse Apr 2014 #110
Friend of mine calls them a new movie genre... Rosco T. Apr 2014 #50
I happen to love 840high Apr 2014 #52
The statement about candy, birth, and time still holds true. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #59
Well Cartman proved that it's easier to make a Christian rock album. Initech Apr 2014 #61
What I find interesting is that on DU it seems to be a sport Jenoch Apr 2014 #67
Let's test this.....I agree BTW AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #79
A quick read of the comment you've responded to does not cordelia Apr 2014 #87
That's because Christianity is the dominant religion in the culture and the one Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #101
What makes you think we are supposed to live in a secular society? Jenoch Apr 2014 #112
Uh, the U.S. Constitution? Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #113
Where in the constitution does it say that? Jenoch Apr 2014 #114
There is no government establishment of religion. This is not a theocracy -- or at least it's not Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #118
"There is no government establishment of religion." Jenoch Apr 2014 #121
Yes, that is a representation of a secular society. kcr Apr 2014 #140
A 'secular' society means a society completely free from religion. Jenoch Apr 2014 #141
Wrong n/t kcr Apr 2014 #142
'Secular' Jenoch Apr 2014 #143
Yes. A definition of the word secular. Good for you! You know how to use google. kcr Apr 2014 #145
I bash all religions because they require belief in the non-sensical and illogical... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #149
Bullshit. Jenoch Apr 2014 #152
That's got nothing to do with what I said... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #154
There are nuts of all and no faiths. Jenoch Apr 2014 #156
Yes. Take a look at what happens across the planet in the name of the supreme cloud being... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #158
Way to move the goalpost. The topic was Christianity. Jenoch Apr 2014 #162
Wait, you think the anti-gay legislation in Uganda is being sponsored by Hindus? truebrit71 Apr 2014 #163
"Take a look at what happens across the planet in the name of the supreme cloud being... Jenoch Apr 2014 #164
NOT FOR LONG...GODZILLA WILL STOMP THEM ALL... yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #71
Only if Blue Oyster Cult is involved! Initech Apr 2014 #72
The "plain people?" n/t Skip Intro Apr 2014 #73
Noah != "Christian". Jewish, maybe. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #80
Christian movies are not "crushing" anything. djean111 Apr 2014 #85
The article is not even accurate about the actual numbers, finals put Divergent above Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #96
#1. "Spiritual" or even "Religious" might be more accurate than "Christian". KittyWampus Apr 2014 #89
Interesting note Marrah_G Apr 2014 #95
the ad for group rates . is for Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #119
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #104
You know. If you don't go see a Christian movie you'll go to Hell. Lint Head Apr 2014 #105
I really don't care Savannahmann Apr 2014 #106
adorable, kid with dimples versus Jonny Depp disintegrating into computer? librechik Apr 2014 #109
Religious films have been decent box office for a long time. nyquil_man Apr 2014 #111
friend of mine say the heaven movie last friday -i made a joke about it to her and she got offended. dembotoz Apr 2014 #123
I'm certain it had nothing to do with April and Easter notadmblnd Apr 2014 #126
The book it is based on was "co-written" by Sarah Palin's biographer. Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #139
They're doing OK and making money, but I'd hardly call it a CRUSH Warpy Apr 2014 #151
Also worth noting Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #155
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
5. It's not, it's made by an atheist and until it was needed as part of the list Christians
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:16 PM
Apr 2014

hated it.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
159. It's a Jewish story, made by a Jewish director, that used lots of Midrash
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:45 PM
Apr 2014

...which is to say, canonical and non-canonical story material outside of the Bible (the "NT," or Jewish scripture, in this case) that is really pretty exclusive to Jewish traditions (i.e., the "giants" in the film, the Og character, etc.)

Not something a "Christian" filmmaker would do, in terms of sensibility.

lame54

(35,277 posts)
160. I think the point is...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:50 PM
Apr 2014

that the story takes place long before Jesus arrives on the scene

Like The Ten Commandments

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
161. Well, but the material Aronofsky used is part of the point, too. "Midrash" is not part of
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:52 PM
Apr 2014

...conservative Christian tradition, nor is it for anyone who is a literalist.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
3. Because movie theaters are dying so they're turning to the church to keep them afloat
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:13 PM
Apr 2014

Quite a few theaters around the country have begun to host church events on Sundays.

The churches need to keep their sheeple entertained and the theaters need money

ejpoeta

(8,933 posts)
84. that's funny..... there was an old movie theater in town
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:52 AM
Apr 2014

that closed down and now has a church there. The marquee sign has their religious stuff on it now. I walk by it on the way to the eye place.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
4. It all started with the torture porn known as The Passion
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:16 PM
Apr 2014

What kind of sicko is ok with watching such garbage?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
62. I've wondered something about the 1956 film.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 11:15 PM
Apr 2014

ABC broadcasts The Ten Commandments every year on the weemend of Passover.

I wish, just once, they would show Ben Hur. Of course I don't know who currently owns that film.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
93. Ben Hur is from 1959, currently owned by Turner, but MGM who made the 59 version
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:32 AM
Apr 2014

and the silent predecessor is about to make a new Ben Hur film, as the book is public domain.
http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/new-ben-hur-movie-remake-reboot-mgm-lew-wallace-novel/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
102. 10 Commandments! Edward G. Robinson...."Nyah, nyah...where's yer messiah NOW????"
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:32 AM
Apr 2014
Unintentionally HILARIOUS.

Billy Crystal breaks it down:

MADem

(135,425 posts)
153. I kept expecting him to come out sneering and saying things like
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:01 PM
Apr 2014

"Ya see, Moses? Ya SEE? Huh?" It was damn close to that, his performance in that film!

Orrex

(63,189 posts)
6. "crush it" is an overstatement
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:20 PM
Apr 2014
Heaven is for Real cost $12M and (so far) has brought $38M. For a non-Christian-pandering film, that would be considered a moderate success.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier cost $170M and has so far brought in $645M. Frozen cost $150M and brought in $1.1B.

At best, Heaven is for Real is a footnote. And Noah sure as hell ain't a "Christian film," at least not according to all of the Christians who've been blasting it as "against bible."


Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
27. Noah predates Abraham
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 01:48 PM
Apr 2014

Noah is part of the pre-jewish section of the Books of Moses. Abraham is the first Jewish patriarch.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
31. "Heaven is for Real" is a perverted fantasy aimed at Pentecostals/Charismatics
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 02:02 PM
Apr 2014

and tongue speaking freaks.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
76. Huh so us plain old Christians
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:28 AM
Apr 2014

should not like it? Weird....I, my wife and my two adult children loved it. Weird.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
94. I agree with you. Noah, which was soundly crticized as trief by Christians is lumped
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:39 AM
Apr 2014

in with the others because it made actual money. The article vastly overstates the 'crushing' going on,

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
148. It's doing pretty well...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:42 AM
Apr 2014

Box Office Mojo has Heaven at $52m after two weeks in release....That's more than four times the cost of production in what could be called "limited release" (2700 screens vs. 3600 for Captain America). I suspect that with DVD release, Heaven will break $100m.

That's enough to guarantee that even the most jaded producer will be scanning the Old Testament for scripts...

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
7. What is it to any of you?
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:27 PM
Apr 2014

I don't like all the deluge of superhero movies the last few years, so I don't go to them. Seething about other people watching movies you don't like and attacking their intelligence for it is a strange way to waste your time.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
13. So what way does "Heaven is Real" force people to vote?
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:37 PM
Apr 2014

Yours sounds like a watery excuse to judge people for how they choose to spend two hours. And even if they were movies full of politics, what do you want? Take their voting rights away for seeing prohibited movies?

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
11. People don't think superhero stories are real.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:35 PM
Apr 2014

Many people do think the myths in the bible happened. These films just push people deeper into the intellectual abyss. Overall, it's not a good thing. It's bad to reinforce peoples beliefs in an ancient book of torture and oppression. It affects the world I live in and I don't see it as a waste to pay attention to the world I live in.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
77. So.....
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:31 AM
Apr 2014

I am well educated, with a Master's Degree (working on my Ph.D) I work in a facts ad science based field, and yet I find some of the Bible to be true. How exactly am I being pushed into an intellectual abyss. For me the more I learn about the universe, the more my education increases, I am left with no other belief other than there is a God that created the universe. At this point, a polite, civil person would just agree to disagree with me. I suspect you are neither polite nor civil.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
107. If all of your education has simply led you to an argument from ignorance fallacy
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:31 PM
Apr 2014

I don't know what to tell you. And why is it a god you think created the universe as opposed to a group of gods or a magic leprechaun? There's no more evidence for one than the other.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
167. I'm very open minded, in fact. Please provide evidence of your god claim and I'll believe.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:07 PM
Apr 2014

Pretty simple, huh?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
135. Interesting
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:18 PM
Apr 2014

Guess we have the same affliction then since it takes faith for either of our beliefs. My faith leads me to believe God exists, your faith leads you to say he doesn't. The truth will be revealed at death.

ProfessorGAC

(64,963 posts)
157. You Sure You Know What Faith Means?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:15 PM
Apr 2014

One cannot have faith is the lack of something. That would be an assumption, but not faith. Faith can certainly be a driver of assumption, but is not required to make an assumption.
Why? Because an assumption can be a logical extension of available information without having to include faith in anything.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
165. I do not have faith.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:58 PM
Apr 2014

Atheism is a non belief. Please try to get the basics right. And I never said faith is a logical fallacy. I pointed out an argument from ignorance fallacy.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
129. There is no
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:22 PM
Apr 2014

evidence of God's existence or lack of existence. That's where faith comes in. We both have faith, just in opposite things.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
166. Please don't misunderstand. Atheism does not require faith.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:01 PM
Apr 2014

It is lack of belief in a god. Nothing more. No faith required.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
131. Truth and faith are much weaker concepts than most, including you, want to admit...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:09 PM
Apr 2014

Trying to make faith truth or truth faith is not a pulling of one up to or down to the other but a pulling of the two towards each other inside of an arbitrarily bounded conception of meaningfulness.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
136. Ask an astrophysicist if the universe is bounded and they will give you a similar explanation.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:33 PM
Apr 2014

What constitutes the boundary is a sort of contradiction. A boundary naturally implies some sort of meaningful delineation between what is inside and outside the bound. To even say something is inside is to constitute the outside as possessing realness.

But the structure of much physical theory is the Universe ends AND there is nothing beyond it. That nothing is not something. It is nothing; a concept that is either partially or totally impossible to actually understand. When constructed inside of logic it becomes circular, and recurs infinitely, making its confines ultimately meaningless.

There is no ultimate form BUT forms must resolve. Inside of this exists faith and truth. Neither are the ultimate form but are bounded eternally by greater forms of themselves.

The universe is expanding but not into anything. This, ultimately, doesn't make any sense and it doesn't seem like it ever will. Consider this all as analogous to a mobius strip.

Tautology itself is merely a symbol of what may constitute ultimate form. As the Tao says, the Tao that can be said is not the eternal Tao.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
15. Yep.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:41 PM
Apr 2014

Coming soon to GD: "OMG, I passed through the greeting card aisle and did you guys know that there are religious cards? And some were missing! People bought them! I rushed right home to post this."

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
21. "Faith" is very much a George W. Bush term
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:58 PM
Apr 2014

In the late 90s, when "religion" and "religious" began polling poorly, the right wing -- led by Karl Rove and friends -- consciously switched to "faith" and "faithful" as a means of sticking religion into secular places it doesn't belong.

It's also a meaningless term. Everyone has faith, even atheists, but not everyone has a religion.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
43. Good points. Thanks.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 07:10 PM
Apr 2014

Tiresome to hear religious folks whining constantly. Must be a part of the whole deal.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
41. Well yeah - there's nothing wrong with hating people because they think
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 07:08 PM
Apr 2014

differently than you. Everybody knows that. This is America - hating people who are different than you is a way of life.

Bryant

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
100. I'd offer that people here don't hate people who are different than them
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:21 AM
Apr 2014

but many of us have problems with many of the numerous real-world effects of "faith" and magical thinking and the terrible agendas and public policy that result from them. It's not unlike people hating the effects of Republicanism, which is also a chosen belief system. And, yes, I know that there are liberal religious people doing good things, etc. etc. But overwhelmingly the religious belief that is pushed on people in this country has very bad consequences -- misogynistic, homophobic, anti-science, anti-intellectual, etc. etc.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
125. Oh
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:01 PM
Apr 2014

I was hoping for an Ostara celebration. Even an evangelical Christian like myself enjoys a good pagan nature festival. (That is not a joke, I have been attending Pagan ceremonies off and on for ten years) I find that Wicca dovetails quite nicely with my Dominionist views.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
92. Yup, to be considered a member of the DU uber-hip necessitates regular mention of an ...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:30 AM
Apr 2014

"imaginary sky daddy" and frequent references to "myths", "make-believe", and "magical thinking".
They're all just so ... edgy!

Orrex

(63,189 posts)
20. Superhero movies don't generally encourage a belief in real-world magical thinking
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:50 PM
Apr 2014

I doubt that a lot of people rationalize their condemnation of others on the basis of The Incredible Hulk, whereas a great many bigots use the bible to justify their bigotry. Any film that fosters uncritical belief in that bronze-age list of stories is pandering to a dangerous common denominator.

So the film is a nice tale about people who believe that a boy has been to heaven. If they accept it as a fiction, then no problem. If they believe that it's true, then we are justified in questioning the agenda of the film makers and its promoters.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
25. The fact that the book was listed as "non-fiction" scares me.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 01:32 PM
Apr 2014

I find it very disturbing that we have adults who actually believe some kid's story of going to heaven. It's utterly ridiculous.

Orrex

(63,189 posts)
26. I agree, and I feel the same way about tales of "reincarnated" children
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 01:37 PM
Apr 2014

There are people who actually believe that children don't make up fantastical tales.

Such people can't possibly have spent more than five minutes with a child!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
29. That really isn't a strange waste of time, it can be productive
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 01:55 PM
Apr 2014

Someone might think, wow, I have been wasting every Sunday going to mythical school!

We opened two eyes!


Now, if you really want to see a strange way to waste your time, watch this!




 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
34. So you beilieve that that child actually visited Heaven? As in non-fiction level
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 02:13 PM
Apr 2014

visited Heaven?

Really?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
75. Possibly
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:26 AM
Apr 2014

neither you nor I can prove or disprove it. Those with faith will believe it did happen, those who are not religious will not believe it. Either side could be right or wrong.

Silent3

(15,181 posts)
91. As soon as someone rolls out "you can't prove or disprove it!"...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:29 AM
Apr 2014

...as if that were some kind of crucial point to make, you can pretty much conclude they don't have much depth of consideration to offer on a given subject.

Silent3

(15,181 posts)
130. Please explain how criticism of a tired, hackneyed
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:34 PM
Apr 2014

...non-argument makes someone "closed minded"? A more open mind would happily swallow these banalities and treat them as great wisdom?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
134. I have an open mind
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:17 PM
Apr 2014

that God may or may not exist. It is ironic that you are the supposed rational and enlightened one. I am more than willing to say God may or may not exist, there is not enough evidence for either. When we die either nothing happens or everything happens. You the so called "open minded" person cannot admit that God may exist. In that sense you just the mirror image of the worst fundamentalists out there. Fortunately many religious people are open minded and seek the truth. Interesting that for you the so called open minded person, anyone who actually has an open mind is someone believing in banalities. Ironic indeed given that hostility towards religion is the original banality. But hey keep at it, your hostility and closed mindedness may convince a few people.

Silent3

(15,181 posts)
144. When did I ever say that a god or gods can't possibly exist?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:26 AM
Apr 2014

Please do point that out.

You're not even discussing what I'm talking about. What you've apparently done is you decided that only a certain kind of person would say what I said, you've decided what that kind of person believes, and you're arguing against that.

Please address the literal, actual issue of the first post of mine that you responded to, if you can figure out how to do that, instead of further engaging in a failed attempt to read between the lines.

Saying the trite words "you can't prove or disprove it" is not a badge that demonstrates that you're open minded. You might think those words accomplish that, but they don't. You might think criticizing those words is somehow a criticism of being open minded, but it isn't.

jmowreader

(50,546 posts)
81. Exactly...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:09 AM
Apr 2014

Let's talk about "God's Not Dead."

I know of at least two theaters (Moses Lake, WA's Fairchild Cinema and Ponderay, ID's Bonner Mall Cinema) who wouldn't rent the movie until churches in their area pre-purchased enough tickets to fill 75 percent of the theater for each screening they wanted. There are no shortage of fundies in either town so you'd think it would be a natural choice...but it didn't work out that way. (The town I live in is different: there's a 14-screen cinema with Noah, God's Not Dead and Heaven Is For Real, and a six-screen second-run cinema with Son of Man and Different Drummers.)

monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
10. I saw "Heaven Is For Real" Wednesday and must say I enjoyed it very much. The actors were
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:34 PM
Apr 2014

wonderful and the story was great. I can't say much more because of spoilers but as one who is not crazy about religion in my face, I chose to see this film and was impressed. It was not a waste of time as some of the ridiculous crap that's is out there right now.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
18. Truth be told, most movies are stupid.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

and I'm saying this as someone who used to work in the industry.

If there are ten films in a year that are worth seeing, that is a big year.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
46. ten films of any kind.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 09:41 PM
Apr 2014

I would point out that, outside major metropolitan centers, many smaller or foreign films are never available.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
47. That's not accurate
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 09:48 PM
Apr 2014

Given digital distribution for small indepdent works, Netflix and other systems, you can get most movies eventually. And at any rate, if a quality movie is made and doesn't get a wide release that doesn't mean it's not a quality movie.

Bryant

Redford

(373 posts)
19. I think it is refreshing
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:50 PM
Apr 2014

Considering all the crap Hollywood puts out. People vote with their pocketbook too.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
23. Good marketing? These films were released during the Lent/Easter season,
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 01:09 PM
Apr 2014

when Xians are particularly focussed on their religious fantasies. "Noah" also benefitted from the controversy that swirled around it - ie: there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Had these films been released in August they probably wouldn't have done as well as they did.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
70. Times them about right for a DVD release for Christmas Shopping Season too.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:50 AM
Apr 2014

Just wait until these people read that book about the table flipping guy who whipped people making a profit off of religion. They're going to shit themselves.

 

blueamy66

(6,795 posts)
86. Also, alot of kids were on Spring Break...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:57 AM
Apr 2014

I'm sure many parents took their kids to see movies that week.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
28. "Heaven is for Real" is is bibically inacurate, more so than Noah.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 01:53 PM
Apr 2014

Yet the fundies rushed to see Heaven Is For Real because it re-enforced their perverted view of the Bible..

With that said, Captain America and Noah (which is not that religious) crushed the fundie movies at the box office.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
30. Because churches will market them cheaply
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 02:02 PM
Apr 2014

and the parishioners accept terrible quality as long as there's not a hint of sex.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
32. Are you implying that people who watch religious-themed movies are stupid?
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 02:05 PM
Apr 2014

Hell, what about The Ten Commandments? That was a very well done movie.

I recently bought the Les Miserables film adaptation, which has Christian themes everywhere.

What about other forms of religious art? Sculptures? Paintings? The people who enjoy those aren't stupid.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
37. Yes, since generally they are falling for the life after death scam
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 06:50 PM
Apr 2014

Something which is thoroughly implausible.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
58. You don't expect your software to continue running after you unplug your PC and remove the battery
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 10:45 PM
Apr 2014

So once your brain ceases its electrochemical functioning, your mind ceases to exist.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
65. You think software is a "mind"?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:31 AM
Apr 2014


And turning your computer on, or installing your software on a new computer, must be reincarnation!

Congratulations - you proved reincarnation!




 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
97. Incarnation doesn't work because there is no mechanism for transfer
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:49 AM
Apr 2014

There is no way to transfer the patterns of neural interconnections and electrochemical states of one brain into another. If there were, you could move a mind from one body to another, which would be equivalent to incarnation if it were from an old dying person to a newborn baby.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
122. There is also no way to create something from nothing
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:48 PM
Apr 2014

There are a lot of questions that are unanswerable.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
88. You don't die when you reach your destination and get out of your car. Your problem is you confuse
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:18 AM
Apr 2014

Your problem, and those close minded like you, confuse your conscious mind (self) with your body (vehicle),\.

It's a result of the materialist world view that permeates and sickens our society.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
98. I'm not confusing the mind with the brain
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:58 AM
Apr 2014

The mind is the software that is running in the brain. The software is not the material of the computer. It is the information that causes the computer to operate in a specific way.

If you sort a deck of cards into a specific order, e.g. ace, one, ..., king by suit, the information embodied in the ordering of the cards is not the material of the card deck.

Similarly, the mind is the information embodied in the structure, organization, and electrochemical properties of the brain, but it is not the material of the brain. When the mind is engaged in various tasks, active MRI can be used to identify which parts of the brain are processing the information.

Response to FarCenter (Reply #37)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
108. As are imaginary red and blue lines we often fight over, for and behind...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:43 PM
Apr 2014

"Something which is thoroughly implausible..."

As are imaginary red and blue lines we often fight over, for and behind. Or groupings of people predicating on nothing more than imaginary politics.

However, I do realize we often hold some wholly imaginary things to higher standards than other wholly imaginary things-- labeling the former 'scams'; and do our best to rationalize the imaginary things we do in fact base our daily lives on (e.g., politics, economics, etc) as something other than imaginary.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
68. I would imply that anyone who says
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:40 AM
Apr 2014

that a movie that earned $22.5 million is "crushing it at the box office" is stupid.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
39. If I feel like watching bad movies, I'd watch Michael Bay films.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 06:57 PM
Apr 2014

I wouldn't waste a dime on christian movies, even if one of them isn't really christian and made by an atheist.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
48. E.T is actually the Christ story redone
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 09:54 PM
Apr 2014

He comes from the heavens
has a band of followers who believe in him
heals
is persecuted by the State
dies, comes back to life leaves and says he will return some day.

Box office gold.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
69. But no one pretends that E.T. isn't fiction
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:44 AM
Apr 2014

unlike the Christ story. But you're right, it's a great story no matter how you rewrite the characters.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
110. Holy S... I never thought of it that way.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

Wow... ET as JC...
I think I just found a new messiah.

Initech

(100,055 posts)
61. Well Cartman proved that it's easier to make a Christian rock album.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 10:59 PM
Apr 2014

Guess that proves true for movies as well!.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
67. What I find interesting is that on DU it seems to be a sport
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:38 AM
Apr 2014

to bash Christianity while other religions seem to be off limits.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
79. Let's test this.....I agree BTW
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:36 AM
Apr 2014

Islamic films with male/female casts are terrible. Oh wait, they can't have mixed genders on the film set..............Wokka Wokka Wokka.............

cordelia

(2,174 posts)
87. A quick read of the comment you've responded to does not
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:10 AM
Apr 2014

limit Christian bashing to films only.

So, I guess you failed your little test.

Wokka, etc.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
101. That's because Christianity is the dominant religion in the culture and the one
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:24 AM
Apr 2014

that is having the most immediate negative effects on people as they try to carry on in a supposedly secular society that is awash in Christian imagery, power, and agenda.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
118. There is no government establishment of religion. This is not a theocracy -- or at least it's not
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:20 PM
Apr 2014

supposed to be. Thus, it's a secular society. And I was explaining why Christianity gets the majority of negativity here on DU -- It's because Christianity in the biggest, most annoying, and most persistent buttinsky magical-thinking sect in this society. A lot of us are fed up with the nonstop and unavoidable barrage of Christianity and its agendas in our lives, thus the antipathy towards that particular religion here on the ol' DU.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
121. "There is no government establishment of religion."
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

Of course your first sentence is correct, but that is not a reflection on our society.

Last week I saw two Muslim women kneeling on a hunk of cardboard at Costco, using their smartphone GPS to point east and were praying. Is that a representation of a secular society?

There is nothing in the constitution that says the U.S. is supposed to have a secular society.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
140. Yes, that is a representation of a secular society.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:49 AM
Apr 2014

That's exactly why freedom of religion was established. The intent was to form a secular society. A secular society doesn't mean it is completely free of religion or spirituality.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
143. 'Secular'
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:39 AM
Apr 2014

denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
145. Yes. A definition of the word secular. Good for you! You know how to use google.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:57 AM
Apr 2014

But you're still wrong about what a secular society means.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
149. I bash all religions because they require belief in the non-sensical and illogical...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:45 AM
Apr 2014

...it's just the xtian's that seem to have the thinnest skin about it...

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
152. Bullshit.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:57 AM
Apr 2014

When did a group of Christians ever get together and fly airliners into tall buildings in Riyadh?

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
154. That's got nothing to do with what I said...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:02 PM
Apr 2014

...but could you remind me again of the faith of Timothy McVeigh, or the murderer of Dr. Tiller?

Oh, and whilst we're talking about body counts, ever heard of The Crusades or The Inquisition?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
156. There are nuts of all and no faiths.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:15 PM
Apr 2014

The crusades and inqusition? Have you got anything that occurred within the last 700 years?

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
158. Yes. Take a look at what happens across the planet in the name of the supreme cloud being...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:35 PM
Apr 2014

...in all of its various alleged forms...how about the anti-gay stuff going on in various African nations right now, sponsored by xtians from right here in the US of A...One could argue that the MILLIONS that died of AIDS in African countries would not have done so had the xtian Pope not warned against the use of condoms...

Oh, and please don't try the old "atheists do it too" bullshit...

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
163. Wait, you think the anti-gay legislation in Uganda is being sponsored by Hindus?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:47 PM
Apr 2014

No. It's being backed by "xtians" from the good ole U S of A...

Or that the anti-condom Pope was Muslim?

???

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
164. "Take a look at what happens across the planet in the name of the supreme cloud being...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:50 PM
Apr 2014

...in all of its various alleged forms..."

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
85. Christian movies are not "crushing" anything.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:47 AM
Apr 2014

And people are commenting on that, not "seething". Sheesh. Holy manufactured poutrage, Batman!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
96. The article is not even accurate about the actual numbers, finals put Divergent above
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:49 AM
Apr 2014

Heaven Is Real, Divergent earned $7,380,460 in that weekend, placing at #6 while Heaven earned $5,540,678 placing it at #7, on far fewer screens and with a slightly higher per screen number.
The top film, Rio 2 earned $39,327,869 and did in fact, 'crush it'.

http://www.deadline.com/box-office-results/#domestic

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
89. #1. "Spiritual" or even "Religious" might be more accurate than "Christian".
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:21 AM
Apr 2014

And anyway, aren't the movies referred to even better described as exploring Archetypes?


#2. as many here have already said- the money hasn't crushed anything.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
95. Interesting note
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:42 AM
Apr 2014

When I went the movies a month ago and saw a preview for the heaven one, at the top of the screen was a number to call for group rates. To me that said they are hoping to get church groups to come.

Response to FarCenter (Original post)

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
106. I really don't care
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:39 AM
Apr 2014

First, I never go to the movies, I am boycotting all movies and anything else that can be avoided from the State of California. Yes, I am literally boycotting all things California. I don't care what movies are made, I won't pay to see them.

The why should be obvious. A majority of Californians voted for Prop 8. That tells me that a majority of California voters are Homophobic. Because the state AG made the right decision and decided not to defend this unconstitutional crap does not relieve the voters in California of the stigma of homophobia. They made their choice, and I have made mine. I wish it was possible to avoid all California based products, and I do try. However since all the tech pretty much comes from the Silicon Valley, or other California based companies, I grit my teeth when I must buy something.

So people going to religious movies doesn't offend me any more than people going to any other movie.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
109. adorable, kid with dimples versus Jonny Depp disintegrating into computer?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

no contest. Even tho we've seen both before.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
111. Religious films have been decent box office for a long time.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:53 PM
Apr 2014

Cecil B. de Mille was packin' 'em in with his combination of piety and prurience nine decades ago.

I think the reason there was a lull for a few decades is because they cost so much to make and it was almost impossible to turn a profit. CGI's made it a little easier.

dembotoz

(16,797 posts)
123. friend of mine say the heaven movie last friday -i made a joke about it to her and she got offended.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:12 PM
Apr 2014

i guess it is because no movies out there are showing 2 hrs of kittens.....

from what she said i can see it being big with the anti abortion bunch--kid meets his miscarried sister or some such dribble--all kinds of concern because the kid did not have a name.......my friend is usually rational and tilts to cynical almost as much as i do.

this movies does not tug at the heart strings--it yanks them hard

and for a movie like this to be labeled as the truth makes it a danger

Warpy

(111,224 posts)
151. They're doing OK and making money, but I'd hardly call it a CRUSH
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:54 AM
Apr 2014

"Frozen" is generating far more money for studios as is "Captain America."

However, the bible movies will generate DVD income and perhaps royalties from megachurches when the preacher's got a sore throat on Sunday.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
155. Also worth noting
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:03 PM
Apr 2014

is that movies like Frozen and Cap will generate significant revenue outside of the theatrical and the home video release with all sorts of merchandise. That obviously isn't included in the box office, but it makes an impact. With Heaven is for Real, it basically just has itself to sell and the potential home video, broadcast, etc. There's not a lot of merchandising to work with there.

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