Public DU Service announcement to older DUers - get your damn Shingles vaccinations!!!

[LynneSin]

Seriously, no excuse as to why not to get them since they are available at just about every pharmacy out there and most insurance plans will cover the vaccination. ESPECIALLY if you have had chickenpox when you were young because if you had chickenpox that means the damn virus is still inside of you lying dormant and could attack you at any time.

Why am I posting this? Because as of today I have Shingles. Ironically I'm not 50 yet (almost there) but I have had Chickenpox so the virus already exists in me (CP and Shingles are both caused by varicella zoster virus which never actually leaves your body, just lies dormant for awhile).

But one thing I have read over and over and over again - the older you are the worse the Shingles can get and the more painful it can be. I mean I'm sore and in pain but it's tolerable. I can't imagine the pain getting any worse that that.

So to all the older DUers out there, especially for those over 50 years old - please talk to your doctor or pharmacist about getting Shingles Vaccine. Seriously this is something you do NOT want to mess around with - get the vaccine.

This ends the Public DU Service announcment

[RebelOne]

1. I will not get the shingles vaccine just as I have never had

a flu shot, and I never got the flu. I am 75 years old with a super immune system. So I will trust in my immune system, because I rarely get sick, and I have not even had a cold in more than 10 years.

[HuckleB]

26. You've also benefitted from all the others who've gotten the flu shot, etc...

[chillfactor]

36. I hate to tell you...

but at your age you do not have a "super immune system".....you are only fooling yourself if you do not get a shingles shot.....but then fools will be foolish

[2pooped2pop]

162. was name calling necessary?

if one does not agree with your point of view, they are fools then?

this site is getting worse and worse. The whole country is becoming angry it seems.

[RebelOne]

197. No matter how you berate me, I will still remain shot free. n/t

[fleabiscuit]

43. 99% of Americans have had chickenpox.

Many get it when they are to young to remember it.

[Mondavi]

60. Agree and ....

the rising of these shingle epidemics seems to be connected to the new chicken pox vaccine.
One remedy for shingles is to put tea tree oil on the rash, wait for the scabs to dry and fall off and you should be OK.

What seems clear from the ever rising level of illnesses humans are suffering is that our immune systems are in a lot of trouble and the more vaccines being administered the worse our immune systems are suffering.

[SheilaT]

88. Not to long ago I read something

Last edited Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)

that said now that most kids get the chicken pox vaccine, adults who had chicken pox are going to be more and more likely to get shingles.

If I recall correctly, in the old days of no vaccine, when there were always kids out there with the disease, that constant re-exposure to the virus apparently reminded the immune system to do its job correctly, protect from chicken pox, and not do anything else. But now, when very few children get it, that lingering virus after a while gets bored and decides to deliver a nice case of shingles.

I know that's not completely scientifically accurate, but I think it cover it.

I had chicken pox. I'm 65 and I got the shingles vaccine a few months ago. I had no co-pay whatsoever. I think perhaps some of the provisions of the ACA are that there's no co-pay for shingles vaccine at least for older adults. If you're over 60, you don't even need a note from the doctor. Just go to the pharmacy and get it.

I think it's different for young people, meaning under age 50 or 60. Not long ago I was talking to a woman under 40 who has gotten shingles several times, and for some reason, she said, they won't give her the vaccine. Which doesn't make sense to me.

My younger son got a case of shingles a few years ago when he was 21. At first his doctor did not correctly diagnose it, because he was so young that it just seemed entirely too unlikely. Fortunately, he hasn't gotten it since.

[LuvNewcastle]

98. I got a really bad case of shingles when I was 18 or 19.

I had come home from college for Christmas break, and I didn't know what it was at first. By the time I went to the doctor, it was pretty advanced. All they could do back then was prescribe some ointment, and my mother rubbed it on those huge blisters on my back and sides. It was one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, and I've had a lot of pain. Those shingles I had back then left horrible scars for many years.

The second time I had them, I was around 30. By then, they had come out with some antivirals, and the one they prescribed me cleared it right up before it advanced. I haven't had them since. I probably should try to get the shot if I can, but I'm afraid the vaccine might have a negative effect on me since I've already had the shingles twice. I need to do some research on it, I guess.

[SheilaT]

104. I have no way of judging how bad my son's case was.

But he actually diagnosed it himself. Went to the doctor, doctor said it was something or another, and I think prescribed something. Son went on the internet and what he had was a classic line of blister running down a major nerve line from the bottom of his skull to his upper back, if I recall correctly. So he went back saying, I think this is shingles. Doctor was appropriately apologetic about missing it, but the very young age can make them just not think of it.

They had anti-virals by then, of course, and it was cleared up pretty quickly. Which is good.

[Laffy Kat]

134. I got it 16 weeks post-partum with my first baby.

I had just returned to work full-time after maternity leave. My case was on the left side of my head. It was terrible. The symptoms included a left-sided, meningitis-like headache that lasted for two weeks. I went from copious lactation to zilch in three days and had to wean my son way too soon. Fortunately, I worked in a support role in academic pediatrics and the docs were just wonderfully supportive. A lot of telephone calls to check in on me, give me advice, and reassure me. They also threw in an extra month of PAID maternity leave. That was 22 years ago and I STILL get those shingles-like headaches behind my left eye, especially when I miss a lot of sleep. I always consider it a warning. You CAN get shingles more than once, although it is rare. Get immunized, folks.

[Mondavi]

108. That's true ....

One of the childhood disease immunities is actually reinforced in those who have had the natural disease as young people get the childhood disease.
(I didn't mention this aspect because it's been a while since I've read particulars on it.)

There was no health demand for this new chicken pox vaccine; quite to the contrary it was deemed unnecessary. And, as I recall, some doctors are refusing to administer it.

With every vaccine you are getting a large dose of toxic material. As Pasteur said, "You can't grow germs on a clean apple." Many toxic materials are required to create a vaccine.

It also seems that cases of shingles used to be rare and we now have an epidemic.

[SheilaT]

111. Yes, I'm quite certain shingles used to be quite rare.

Again, it apparently is that when kids were getting chicken pox, adults were re-exposed to the virus and it kept the shingles at bay. From what I've read, the good news is that the younger generation who were vaccinated, will pretty much never get shingles, lucky them.

[Zambero]

136. It was rarer when life expectancy was 15 years less than it is today

It can strike at any age, but susceptibility and frequency increase as one gets older. An aging population that lives longer will be seeing a higher incidence of shingles, both in actual numbers and in percentage affected.

[Mondavi]

181. It was rarer when older adults came into contact with young children

with active cases of natural chicken pox which boosted their immunity and kept shingles at bay.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4889083

[Mondavi]

180. Yes

except shingles is expected to be with us for the next 50 years.
And it is a more serious condition than chicken pox.
As some have noted, natural chicken pox in childhood was keeping shingles at bay.

[HuckleB]

102. Shingles has always been more common for people after age 50.

Now there is a way for people to avoid it.

People continue to live longer, which makes your claim about "rising level of illnesses" quite bogus. People tend to get sick as they get older. Please don't post anti-vaccine nonsense.

[Mondavi]

110. Shingles used to be considered stress related ....

Shingles used to be rare and we now have an epidemic and we should be asking why.
All one needs to do to understand the poor level of health in America is to look around your community where you will note the every growing presence of medical facilities.
They aren't there because we are healthy, they are there because we are ill.
All standards of quality of life issues and health have fallen in America.
We rank way down on the list of health vs other nations.
Below Cuba, as a matter of fact.

[HuckleB]

114. I'm not sure why you think it used to be rare.

Shingles occurs in people over 60. There are far more people over 60 now than in the past. This is not hard stuff.

[Mondavi]

116. Because it was almost unheard of...

Young people can also have shingles now. As I've said we have what looks like an epidemic since the new chicken pox vaccine has been marketed. We should be asking why.

[HuckleB]

117. So, you're saying because you didn't hear of it, then it was rare?

I had friends who got the shingles in the 70s in their teens. If you want to go with anecdotal nonsense...

[Mondavi]

157. Family histories would be a better guide than "friends."

However, all reports show an increase in shingles from 39% to 90%.

CDC reports 1 in every 3 people will now get shingles.

[HuckleB]

182. Your own claims are contradictory.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and you have no links to verify your claims.

[Mondavi]

189. Do you bother reading anything?

or do you just begin typing and hope that insults will work for you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4889083

[HuckleB]

194. I know what's what.

And I don't waste time on anti-science BS, especially when it's playing every gambit known to the world of logical fallacies. And that's your world.

[Mondavi]

195. CDC is "anti-science"? 1 in 3 will get shingles

Of course you didn't read that either.
Post your nonsense to someone else.

[Dorian Gray]

140. I knew

more people who had shingles in the 80s than I do now.

The "epidemic" of which you speak is more awareness and the and PR for the vaccine.

[Mondavi]

156. CDC reports 1 in 3 people will get shingles....

http://www.cdc.gov/shingles/about/overview.html

Now 1 million cases of shingles every year in US.



In general ....

The age factor is related to older adults not coming in contact any longer with children who have natural chicken pox.
(The UK's Public Health Laboratory Service has found that adults who live with children and are exposed to chicken pox as a result receive protection against shingles[4]. In other words, exposure to active cases of chicken pox results in a boost to the immune system's ability to prevent shingles attacks.)
Before vaccine, shingles was seen only in adults, however, children are also beginning to come down with shingles as per school nurse reports since 2000.
Shingles is a much more serious condition than chickenpox.

Natural immunity is lifelong. Vaccine provides a temporary immunity, from 70% or less down to even 40%. Schools where almost all children are vaccinated for chicken pox (at least one dose) continue to see outbreaks. Now recommended that children get two doses of the vaccine. (Washington Post article reported that, in another outbreak, 75 percent of the children who came down with chickenpox had previously been vaccinated for it!)

Adult shingles has increased by 90% from 1998 to 2003. The incidence of adult shingles has increased by 90 percent from 1998 to 2003, following the release of the chickenpox vaccine for mass use. Shingles results in three times as many deaths and five times as many hospitalizations as chickenpox, and accounts for 75 percent of all medical costs associated with the varicella zoster virus.

Before the chicken pox vaccine, most children got the disease by the age of ten. In the US, about 3.7 million children would get chicken pox every year. About 50 children would die of the disease, and virtually all were immunocompromised. While the death of any child is sad, the reality is that the mortality rate in children was only 0.00135 percent. This doesn't even come close to a life-threatening epidemic.




http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/shingles-goes-epidemic-chicken-pox-vax-blame
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/chicken-pox-vaccine-associated-with-shingles-epidemic-54648017.html


Herpes zoster - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_zoster‎
Wikipedia
The earliest symptoms of herpes zoster, which include headache, fever, and malaise, ..... decreased, and the occurrence of shingles among adults increased by 90%. ..... during a period of increasing varicella vaccine coverage, 1998–2003".

Herpes Zoster Rates Are Increasing, but Why? - Medscape
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/822982‎
Medscape
Apr 14, 2014 - In the United States, herpes zoster rates have increased by 39% from ... behind the increases, we do know that many cases of zoster could be ...

Examination of links between herpes zoster incidence and ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...‎
National Center for Biotechnology Information
by CM Hales - ‎2013 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
Dec 3, 2013 - RESULTS: 281 317 incident cases of HZ occurred. Age- and sex-standardized HZ incidence increased 39% from 10.0 per 1000 person-years ...

Shingles on the rise | Medical Journal of Australia
https://www.mja.com.au/.../shingles-rise‎
The Medical Journal of Australia
Dec 9, 2013 - The researchers found 281 317 cases of HZ, with age- and sex-standardised HZ incidence increasing by 39% from 10.0 per 1000 person-years ...

[Dorian Gray]

159. Thank you for that information

It's good to know that cases are on the rise.

I have no natural immunity to Chicken Pox despite a very mild case of it when I was five. (I was tested when I was pregnant, and I had to be extra careful if I was around anybody who had a case of it.)

If I don't have the chicken pox antibodies, am I susceptible to shingles still? I guess I'll have to research that.

If incidents of shingles are up to those numbers, it seems like a no brainer to get the vaccine as an adult.

[SheilaT]

174. Thank you also for that post.

More adults are getting shingles very specifically because of the chicken pox vaccine. There's often a trade off of some kind in medicine.

The good news is that eventually, as I understand it, shingles will largely go away.

[Mondavi]

179. Sadly true

though shingles is expected to be around for the next 50 years.

If there is any future for the planet it may lie in ridding ourselves of the idea that we can control or exploit nature without facing very serious consequences.


Published on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 by Common Dreams
Antibiotic-Resistant 'Superbugs' a Global Public Health Threat: WHO
'A post-antibiotic era, far from being an apocalyptic fantasy, is instead a very real possibility for the 21st century'
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/04/30-3

The comments are also very interesting.

[MattBaggins]

132. Population densities

[truedelphi]

192. Ho wabout this for a "level of nonsense" ??

What is amazing about the shingles vaccine is how someone like myself who has been trained through years of tech writing, to look into the logic of the stats.

Here is one statistic:

100% of all people who have had the chicken pox, even as kids, still have that virus in their system.

I imagine that could be true, so I will accept it.

Then if you do any indie research on the matter, you find out that rather than the scarey scenario that the TV ads portray, only one third of those people will ever get shingles.

Most TV viewers are left with the thought of how 100% of chicken pox victims still have the chicken pox viral material in their bodies. 100% That figure sticks in their minds.

And the TV ads for the vaccine marvelously fail to mention an important fact, that of those 100%, only one third, or 33% will ever go on to experience shingles.

So two thirds of us chicken pox victims will not get shingles.

Then you find out the efficacy rate of the vaccine is 63 to 66%, and that means that the vaccine itself doesn't even affect in any way at all! the rate of the shingles experience! Two thirds of all people who have had chicken pox will not get shingles, whether or not they get the vaccine! So the whole ploy of getting everyone to get that vaccine is nothing but propaganda!

If we have the vaccine or not, the rate is identical.

So why all the hysteria about how important it is?Because it is one damn expensive vaccine. Even if the consumer has insurance that covers it, the vaccine is between $ 200 and $ 400 for the Insurer's payments toward. If the Big Pharma firm that has the patent can get all of us to get it, they are coming into a magnificent windfall for nothing!

[HuckleB]

193. Who cares what you claim to have been trained "in?"

You have always been anti vaccine. Thus, you are pro disease. You don't care about reality. You just try to make things up...

[MattBaggins]

131. Please refrain form offering medical advice

[Mariana]

96. I've never had the flu, either, and I don't get the flu vaccines.

But I damn well intend to get the shingles shot. Shingles hurts.

[Logical]

166. So why scared of flu shot? nt

[Mariana]

173. Not scared of it, really.

I keep up on my other vaccines, and like I said, I'll get the shingles shot for sure when it's time. The flu shots, well, I guess it's because I've never had a flu, and I just don't think it's all that important. I suppose it will catch up with me one day, and my first flu will be one of the really nasty ones, and I'll be flat on my back for weeks with it. I'll probably start getting the shots.

[pipi_k]

100. Immune systems

cannot be trusted.

Today's "super immune system" can turn on a dime for any one of a dozen reasons.

[Zambero]

135. Our immune systems age with the rest of us

My father was super healthy for his age as well, but 3 years ago at 89 he contracted shingles and it also involved his brain cells. Fortunately his eyes were spared. For several weeks he had constant nausea, stroke-like symptoms, and extreme headache with no relief. He survived that episode, and after seeing what he went through our family members over 50 got the shingles vaccine. For anyone who has ever gotten chicken pox, with the passage of time the herpes zoster antibody count and immune function will gradually decline. If a person lives long enough there's a better than even chance of getting shingles. If a debilitating disease is preventable and the means to prevent it is readily available, it make sense to take advantage of it.

[Dorian Gray]

139. Your choice

Herd immunity has helped protect you.

You're welcome.

[auntsue]

152. good luck to you

two of my siblings had shingles and they said "run, do not walk...get the vaccine" They say shingles is like being on fire.

[merrily]

154. I am not 75, but my immune system seems good Surprising, because I used to smoke.

And cigarettes caused other probems.

Please, smokers, do whatever you need to do to stop.

[Logical]

165. LOL, brilliant logic there! nt

[LiberalElite]

2. My doctor told me to get the Shingles shot-

I balked and procrastinated for at least a year. - it's expensive and wasn't covered by my insurance co. But over time I heard about three other friends and acquaintances who had Shingles and the pain it caused and I gave in. $208 plus tax. I understand it's covered by Medicare though.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-t-miller/shingles-vaccine-covered-by-medicare_b_3736697.html

[madokie]

3. I got my shingles vaccination at my last VA visit

One of my older brothers came down with shingles a couple years ago and its not something to look forward too.
Get the vaccination and do it now.

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Thanks for the info.

I have been putting it off. Sorry about your pain.

[Ruby the Liberal]

5. Sorry to hear this

I had chicken pox as a kid - now early 40s. When are you supposed to start this?

[LynneSin]

12. They say 50

If you have a low immune system or extreme stress it might pop up earlier. But the thing is at this age it isn't as painful as if you get it when you are older.

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. Thanks Lynne.

I am a cancer survivor. My immune system is a great unknown thanks to all the pharma. Meh.

My Grandmother had shingles that lasted over a year - I should probably pay attention.

[LynneSin]

27. You might have to get your doctor to give you the vaccine

from further reading most pharmacies are for 60 and older. But the FDA did approve the vaccine for 50-59.

I say better safe than sorry. Worst case you got an injection for something you didn't need.

But here's something else I have read - the vaccine will NOT prevent Shingles. It is still feasible to get it but if you do the outbreak would be much milder, shorter flare-ups and less pain than if you didn't have the vaccine.

[Ruby the Liberal]

33. Already made a note to ask next month when I go back

Thanks for the heads up! Be well soon...

[littlewolf]

113. yup MiL got it a week ago

she is in much pain. Dr told her the shot will not prevent it
just make it milder. she is currently on Morphine for the pain
once you have shingles they have drugs which shortens the
out break much like the vaccine.

[Sissyk]

47. I am so glad you are a survivor, Ruby the Liberal!

Take care of yourself!

[Ruby the Liberal]

128. Thank you!

[jtuck004]

69. "My immune system is a great unknown thanks to all the pharma" < I am in a similar

situation, but I think mine is because of the 70s.

Then again, I wouldn't trade those times for anything. They were fun

[StarryNite]

71. Zostavax not for people who have had cancer...

Please be careful....not everybody should have the vaccination. Do your due diligence....

"Zostavax is not for those with compromised immune systems, pregnant women, or persons with a past history of cancer, or presently being treated for cancer. If you have a life-threatening allergic reaction to gelatin or neomycin, you should not take this medication."

http://clivir.com/lessons/show/shingles-vaccination-side-effects-pros-and-cons.html

[LynneSin]

79. It's smart that we ask our doctors first

point well taken!

[StarryNite]

86. Absolutely...

because we are all different with different medical histories. And we should never be afraid to question our doctors. A good doctor will be more than happy to listen and answer our questions and if necessary he/she will do their own research to find out what is appropriate for us.

[Ruby the Liberal]

129. Exactly. I check with the Doc on everything

Seeing as how I have to see him 4x a year for the next ~3 years (the surgeon). Since I am there and insurance is paying, I always bring a list of questions!

I was fortunate in that my cancer was In Situ (didn't metastasize) so no chemo and margins were clear, so no radiation. What has my attention are all of the posts I just read about people's experience. My grandmother had shingles and I had a hella bad case of Chicken Pox back in the 70s as a kid.

Will be sure to ask the Doc about this when I see him next month.

Thank you for posting this warning!

[StarryNite]

150. You're very welcome!

[Mojorabbit]

23. I had a massive outbreak last fall

Extremely painful and I developed nerve damage around my waist. Neurologist says may have the pain forever.

[dixiegrrrrl]

66. There ARE things for that nerve pain.

You may have to find a smarter doc.
I had just casually mentioned to my doc that the post pain was not comfortable, and she promptly gave me a script for low dose (50 mg) Elavil ( generic, at that) which I take at bedtime.
damned if the pain did not go away by day 3...totally.
Plus benefit...better sleep on it.
Once in a purple moon I will get a slight twinge or 2, which comes and goes, but that is all.

[Mojorabbit]

105. They gave me lyrica

Which worked for about two weeks. Now I have a topical cream made by a compounding pharmacy that has baclofen, neurontin, and various other meds in it. It helps a lot but I still have significant pain. He says nerve block may be an option. I will ask him about elavil.
Thanks!
On edit
He said nerve block does not always work and that I might have no relief and that he would then have to refer me to a pain clinic. I want to avoid that if possible.

[dixiegrrrrl]

143. I would start hitting the internet, if it were me.

Guess I lucked out, the first thing doc gave me worked. She said it was a common "off label" use for the drug.

[REP]

158. Elavil for neuropathy? That's like aspirin for cancer

I have ulnar and peripheral neuropathy. The ulnar neuropathy is like being hit on the "funny bone" all the time. I take Elavil for migraine prophylaxis, and I can tell you it does fuck all for neuropathy. What can be done for my elbow is surgery to place the nerve elsewhere. It's very painful, but I was told recently it's not as bad as the shoulder surgeries I had two of last year, so maybe.

Narcotics help for nerve pain, but really, nothing is very good for pain from severe nerve damage.

[freshwest]

75. Sorry, LynneSin. Doctor told it would hit the nerves because of an injury that go into the chest by

the heart and I will need to get the shot. Hope that this will go into remission for you soon. .

[yewberry]

17. NOW.

I got shingles when I was 41. If you can help it, you want to skip getting shingles.

[Ruby the Liberal]

20. 41? Yikes!

My grandmother had them in her 70s. Thank you for the heads up.

[davidpdx]

183. I just turned 43

I'm seriously thinking about getting it. I live in South Korea, so I don't know how available it is here. The next time I go to the doctor I'll have to ask about it.

[dixiegrrrrl]

62. My brother was attacked last year, he had just turned 50.

The really interesting thing is he got it, unfortunately, in the same place I got mine.
I got a very bad case, over half my torso, from mid-line front to around the side and back.
Damned if he did not get the same.

I have given birth with no meds
I have had migraines from hell
I have had too many tooth abscesses in my younger days.
and none of them came close to the sensation of being on fire 24/7.
for over 2 weeks.

Plus, there is the added joy of post -shingle pain, where the entire area aches and twinges and hurts like a bad headache for months and months afterwards.

Good news: Elavil, an old time anti-depressant, in low doses, can stop that post pain.
and there are ways of coping with the original attack and pain.

The shot was not available, I think, when I got shingles.

Get the shot.
Find out how long it lasts ( info. varies on that).
Even if you get shingles after the shot, "they" say it is not as severe.

I was lucky..later I found out some people can get shingles IN the eye.

[SheilaT]

90. I think the shingles vaccine came

out less than a decade ago. I've seen different information on whether or not in confers permanent immunity. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. I just hope I'm not someone who winds up in the group that helps medical science figure out just how often it will need to be repeated. And if I do learn it needs to be redone I'll do that.

For what it's worth, I'm in the no flu shot group myself. But I got the shingles shot, and about four years ago got a DPT, which is something that ought to be repeated every decade.

[shanti]

171. repeat vaccines

yes, i'd also read that if you get the vaccine early, you may need to repeat it at a later date, but haven't read when that should be

[Ruby the Liberal]

130. So good to see you!

Thought about you today when I checked CNN and saw the storm updates. Hope you are safe and still with power!

On the shot - yes, I am going to talk with my Doc about it next month. I am years away from the 'minimum' but with family history (IF I can even have it), it seems like a no-brainer. And I haven't had a flu shot since the mid 90s...

[dixiegrrrrl]

142. Would not wish an outbreak on my worse enemy...honestly.

Our boomer cohort is moving into the danger age for shingles, which may be why we are hearing so much about it now.

Worse yet....you can get attacked more than once.

re storms: wild and wooly night, with hail, constant lightening and finally...no power. The house looked like we were creating Frankenstien, flashes every couple of seconds, for an hour or more.
Really really impressive, in a dark noisy muggy air sort of way.

right now, Mobile Ala is getting it, and the system seems to be stuck there, they have been hammered for hours now.

[Auntie Bush]

146. My daughter knows someone who got shingles in the eye and was permanently blinded. nt

[zappaman]

155. Thank you for seriously freaking me out!

[Auntie Bush]

163. I'm sorry Zappamann! Do you have Shingles on your face now?

I was just hoping that fact would help make more people get the vaccine.

It's rare but it does happen. My brother had Shingles across his face and forehead but they didn't effect his eye. He was worried as he is a retired Doctor and knew of the possibilities.

Good Luck!

[zappaman]

164. I have not had shingles but did have chicken pox as a kid.

So, yeah I will get the vaccine!

[Sissyk]

6. And a good PSA it is, LynneSin!

I also had shingles long before 50. Most painful thing I think I've ever had because it's the nerves. The nerve endings. I had it on my left side; shoulder, neck and head. My hair hurt. It was awful.

I'm sorry you are having to go through this. Good thing is the pain leaves. The scars do not but are very minor.

Everyone that's had chicken pox should have the shot. Another thing my doctor told me. IF you did not have chicken pox as a child, and were over 40; you can get chicken pox from someone with shingles. And chicken pox are deadly as an adult.

Take care of yourself!

[Skittles]

7. for how long are the shots effective?

[Sissyk]

8. I'm not positive, Skittles;

but I think five to six years? I think it changes with age, also.

If I'm wrong, don't kick my ass, please!!

[LynneSin]

10. I've also read 6 years

[Zambero]

137. Six years is merely an estimate at this point

The vaccine hasn't been around long enough to be certain, and its long-term effectiveness will need to undergo the test of time. Hopefully 6 years turns out to be a low estimate.

[spooky3]

124. The Rite Aid pharmacist said they last forever.

However the paperwork said they reduce incidence by 50%, far less than 100%. There are few known side effects so if you are in the group that can get them, the benefits seem to outweigh the costs.

[LynneSin]

9. yes I read that about the Chicken Pox

But it's very rare that you can transmit the disease from one person to another. I mean I'd have to have open pustules (with my shingles) and you'd have to have an extremely weak immune system and then decide to touch my pox (which are located someplace not each to touch).

[Sissyk]

13. It is rare for the reasons you mentioned.

When I had them, a friend that had not had chicken pox would not even come in my house. lol! He was that paranoid. He brought me lunch one day and left it on the front porch.

[Frustratedlady]

15. I had chicken pox as a kid and shingles at 60.

Thought I would die. I came down with the shingles during an ice storm and held off calling the kids for help until morning. The pain was incredible. I still get a reaction in the area when I'm stressed or tired. It is a strange feeling of numbness and itching. Go figure.

No, I have not had the shot.

[Sissyk]

16. I know what you mean.

My neck gets red and itchy, not painful though, when I'm stressed or over worked.

[scarletwoman]

11. I got the vaccination at work late last year.

I couldn't see why I should take the chance of getting Shingles - I've heard so many horror stories about it.

Chicken Pox was part of childhood when I grew in the 50s, so I had it, of course. Now that I'm in my 60s, getting the Shingles vaccination seemed like a sensible thing to do - so I did it. No side effects that I could detect - although I suppose I could always end up as a blithering idiot - but how would I know what to blame that on?

[Ruby the Liberal]

22. Well, there was that time when you

I kid, I kid!

[scarletwoman]

35. Oh no! I have Halfzheimers!

I don't remember a thing!

Hey, lady, good to see you!

[Ruby the Liberal]

39. Consider that one stolen

[scarletwoman]

44. No problem, I stole it from someone else.

Only, I can't remember who...

[sheshe2]

14. I got mine this year!

My mom had shingles and I too had chicken pox.

Be well, sorry for your pain, LynneSin.

[iemitsu]

19. I'm sorry to hear that you are suffering from shingles.

My mother, my mother-in-law and my youngest brother have all been victims of that terribly painful flare-up of the chicken-pox virus.
I watched each of them suffer and hope to avoid that same suffering myself.
However, when I asked the pharmacist about getting the shot, which they were advertizing, I was told I had to be 60 years old. I am not much shy of that age and would have appreciated the shot but it seems I must wait a few years.
Good luck to you. I hope your's is a mild case.

[LynneSin]

21. I thought it was changed to 50

That's what WebMD, MayoClinic and Harvard Health all said about the vaccine. Perhaps your doctor can give you the vaccine.

http://www.vaccines.gov/diseases/shingles/
CDC recommends Zostavax for use in people 60 years old and older to prevent shingles. However, the vaccine is approved for people as young as 50. Discuss shingles vaccination with your health care provider based on your health status. There is no maximum age for getting the shingles vaccine.

It may just be that the pharmacies have enough vaccines for the 60+ crowd but over 50 is eligible to get it.

[iemitsu]

29. Thanks for the advice.

I'll get the shot next season. Knock on wood, that I avoid contracting shingles before that.
You are probably right about the pharmacy wanting to save the vaccine for those, older and more feeble than I. Not that age is the primary determinant in one's feebleness.

[LynneSin]

38. except I don't think there is a shingles season

just saying

[iemitsu]

48. Again, I'm sure you're right.

I'll hit the magic number in September.

[HuckleB]

24. +1,000,000 ... 000

Take care, and I hope you heal up fast.

A couple of my parents' friends had it in their 60s, and it was not fun for them. My parents' got their shingles shots. I think I'll see how up to date they are, however. Thanks for the reminder.

[Control-Z]

25. I don't know if I've had chickenpox.

But, either I'm highly immune to them or I did have them as a very young child. All three of my children had them and I had a roommate who had them. (I don't know if I've ever seen anyone as ill as she. ) I never caught them. Soooo?

I wonder if I would have a reaction to the vaccine (if I actually haven't had them).

[LynneSin]

28. Honestly best bet is to ask your doctor

doesn't hurt asking.

[Tree-Hugger]

118. I didn't have them as a child

Never had an obvious case as a child. When I was a teen, the vaccine came out. I was going to get the vaccine, but two occupational health nurses advised against it. Years later, I had a titer drawn and it showed I had exposure.

Flash forward to now. Both of my kids just had it. My son couldn't get the vaccine due to other issues and the doctor wanted to delay with my daughter. My son caught chickenpox from another kid who was vaccinated. It was easy and mild in both kids. And now I have them. My doctor said my exposure could have been a super mild case and not enough for full immunity. Let me tell you, chicken pox at this age SUCKS. I have a mild case, but it really sucks. Also, it sucks.

I would definitely talk to your doctor about it.

[Control-Z]

122. I'm so sorry to hear this.

Even a mild case sounds terrifying to me after watching my roommate suffer the way she did. Ugh. It is only in hindsight that I realize I probably should have forced her to get medical care. Neither of us had money at the time and she had no medical insurance. She truly suffered. I still cringe and think of her every time I hear the word chickenpox.

I hope you get through it as easily as possible, and as quickly, though I don't think duration varies much.

I wonder if I've built up immunity after all the exposure I've had. I just can't imagine catching them at this point. But I will talk to my doctor.

[Tree-Hugger]

123. Thank you

I'm at the tail end with the worst behind me.

It can be a lot worse in adults as we are more likely to get complications, such as pneumonia.

Here's to hoping you never get it!!

[shanti]

172. an ex bf

had CP when he was about 35. he was a MESS for about 3 weeks, sick as a dog, many blisters, even internally. getting CP as an adult is a nightmare.

[chillfactor]

30. I had my shingles shot as soon as they were available....

I have had friends who have had shingles and I never ever want to experience that kind of pain......at 72 years I have enough to contend with and weeks of pain that could have been prevented is senseless....

[FLyellowdog]

31. I got Shingles in January of this year

just 4 days after having my gall bladder removed. The Shingles was soooooo much worse than the surgery. I have only within the last month stopped having pain from the nerve damage the Shingles caused. I continue to take a med for seizures that doctors have found to help with the pain of this virus.

I had the vaccination three years ago and my doctor told me that if I hadn't had the shot, my outbreak would have been much worse. I can't imagine how that could be because it was terrible!

Get the vaccine. It's not worth it going through such pain.

Oh, FYI...I'm older than 60 but younger than 70.

[Tree-Hugger]

32. I hope you feel better

I hope this clears up for you very quickly and you don't have to deal with the pain. Have you talked to your doctor about meds acyclovir or Valtrex can help if started within 48 hrs of the rash.

I have had many friends get the shingles in recent years. Most have been my age or younger. 35. I had heard - but have not looked at numbers - that it's increasing among younger folks.

I'm currently fighting off chicken pox. Freaking chicken pox.

Feel better soon!!

[LynneSin]

37. I'm on Valtrex

I first noticed the rash late Friday so not sure what the Valtrex would do. I honestly thought it was one of these 4 things - rash to the new pants I bought and wore without washing (that has happened before to me), scabies, bed bugs or a tumor.

I have had a breakout once before with new pants that were dyed but that was about 20 years ago. The pants; however, stopped about 2 inches below the breakout.

The second thing I thought was bed bugs or scabies. I did recently stay at a moderately priced hotel down in Ocean City Maryland so who knows. But I didn't have any breakouts elsewhere on my body so that ruled out Bed Bugs (thank goodness) but still thought perhaps scabies.

Last thing was tumor - I couldn't actually see what it looked like back there but it was lumpy so I figured knowing my luck it was a tumor, which in my book was a way better option than bed bugs!

Seriously, don't come to me for medical advice.

[Tree-Hugger]

40. Me too!

The Valtrex may work for you at this point. Big freaking pills, aren't they?

I thought I was getting shingles. Then it spread everywhere. Chicken pox. Grrr.

[LynneSin]

42. well if that doesn't help I also have hydrocondone

really don't want to take that

[Tree-Hugger]

46. I hope you don't need it.

Stay well.

[Auntie Bush]

148. Why didn't you want to take the hydrocodone?

I did and didn't have any problems.

[LynneSin]

149. Actually it is Vicodin and I have an unusual fear of taking powerful pain kills

Probably from my strange addiction of watching documentaries and tv shows about addictions.

If I take a Naproxen (prescription strength Aleve) and 50mg of Benedryl that will help the pain and get me to sleep. But I might ask my doctor if she would give me something with codeine in it. I actually will take codeine. I use codeine cough medicine when I have bronchitis and I've taken Tylenol 3 a few times in the past (Tylenol with codeine). I know I can handle that. Vicodin scares me because I don't know how my body will handle it and I'd rather just suffer in pain then try it.

[KoKo]

53. I thought mine was allergic reaction to detergent I used...but, luckily

I remembered my MIL who had it when she was in her 80's and the way it started with her and when it started hurting and not itching I got myself off to the doctor...because I suspected it might be what she had from my memory of her symptoms.

I'm glad I did! I remember how horrible it was for her and she had it for almost three weeks and at her age it was dreadful. I remember talking to her on the phone and she was in tears about the pain. None of us had ever heard of it...and the name "SHINGLES" is so disgusting it was embarrassing for her to talk about.. That was maybe 15 years ago.. At least now there is better management.

[Tanuki]

58. I'm intrigued that you think the name "shingles" is disgusting.

Did you know that is comes from the Latin word "cingulum", which means "belt"? That's because the most common presentation is in a band that follows a nerve dermatome halfway around the thoracic trunk, from midline in front to midline in back. I'm glad you recognized what it was in time to get prompt treatment! I had it, too, and it was awful.

[KoKo]

64. Cingulum or Cingulumitis has a more technical diagnostic ring to it

than "Shingles" which in English reminds one of something like a venereal disease or disfigurement, which one doesn't want to talk about. Also, "Shingles" reminds folks of their roof or house siding and visually is not a pleasant way to describe the condition, either.

Glad you recovered...and sympathize...

[7wo7rees]

76. Amazing and thank you.

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I am 7wo7rees wife.

Everything in your post above was my experience exactly only one week before you, mine started on Good Friday. Today is my last day on the Valtrex. Every hour counts getting to the doctor if you come down with it.

I am 56. My mother got it in July of 2011, she did not get to the doctor in time to help lessen the severity. She was 74, it was terrible for her. Because of her experience I went in as soon as I could on Monday after Easter. She had it in the middle of her back and thought for days it was a spider bite and said nothing until it was too late and the blisters had already broken out.
I had it on my neck and thought at first it was because of shirt I was wearing.

I encourage everyone to get the vaccine if you can. I tried to last year and another doctor told me insurance would not cover till 60. My doctor last week had not heard of such and I will get it as soon as I can.

Until it happened to my mom I had heard of shingles vaccine, they were starting to offer at pharmacy everywhere but I had no clue! It is a terrible, awful little disease!

Thank you again for posting and wishing you all the best.

GET THE SHOT!

And I am not a big fan of vaccines, got the flu vac in Sept and had severe case of flu at end of Dec.

[slipslidingaway]

34. Thank you ...

I should have the vaccination, but I would want to do so when I am not around my husband for a few days. A forced vacation???

The only medication my husband is on three years post bone marrow transplant is Acyclovir to reduce the risk of shingles. I would not want to have a live vaccine for fear of transmitting it to him. I do appreciate those who have vaccinations making the chances of transmission less likely ... so thanks!!! I've thought about a shot and a forced vacation

I really am thankful for those who think of others around them whose immune system is not what it once had been.

Sorry to read about your current status ... hope it is short lived!

[3Stones]

41. I had shingles on my face!

Was in the hospital for three days on a morphine drip. Most horrible experience of my life.

[spooky3]

126. So did my ex. Doctor told him he was lucky it didn't go in his eye.

[KoKo]

45. You don't want to mess with Shingles...Most Painful thing I've ever experienced...

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I'm a healthy person...but had it two years ago. Luckily they gave me a removable "Lydocaine" (I think)anesthetic patch to put on my back to help the pain. It can only be used for three days and you have to remove it for a certain time period at intervals during the three days. The worst of the excruciating pain was at night. I finally used two ice bags that I propped up on my back to try to sleep. That helped with the pain when I could no longer use the patch. It went on for over a week and went across my back and around my sides. (It can hit you anywhere on your body and some get it in their neck, face and elsewhere.)

They did give me vaccine shot when I first went to the doctor with symptoms because they've found if they give you the vaccine within the first 48 hours or so after your symptoms are noticeable that it can shorten the length of time of discomfort and some evidence that it stops recurrence of the symptoms that can reappear later. It seemed to work for me because after it cleared up I haven't had any problems.

I'm a pretty pain tolerant person (can have minor dental work done without any pain killer) but I would never want to go through the pain I went through with shingles ever again.

I'd get the vaccine!

[Ilsa]

49. I got mine last year. I had to pay for it up front because SOME

insurance companies lie and say they'll cover it, but then deny payment, sticking the provider with the bill. But fortunately, my insurance paid for it, so my money was refunded.

I had a whopping big case of chicken pox when I was a kid.

[txwhitedove]

50. Fortunately, my insurance paid for the vaccine 2-yrs ago as part of Well Woman Exam. I had chicken

pox as a child and didn't want to take any chances.

[Aldo Leopold]

51. Contracted chickenpox in 1970

and shingles in 2006. Let me add my perspective: shingles fucking SUCKS!

[brewens]

52. What if I get autism? Do I have to start playing the piano? Those things are expensive!

[Auntie Bush]

54. I'm so sorry LynneSin. I have some bad news. I got a horrible case of Shingles in January

on my butt and thigh...couldn't walk. It was a horror and took weeks to go away.

The bad news is I got the Shingles Vaccine a couple years ago. So that doesn't even guarantee
one won't get it. Bummer! But I'm sure that's unusual...so you can't count on it.

Hope you feel better soon...Vicodin helps.

[Samantha]

55. I really appreciate your DU Public Service Announcement and I am so sorry you have shingles

This is a decision I have personally wrestled with over time. I have not had it, but I still think about it. I recently learned that the vaccine has only about a 50 percent success rate. That gives me pause. Additionally, the shot itself can have painful side effects -- sometimes it does, sometimes it does not.

I hope you do not beat yourself up too much because you did not have the shot, because you are not yet 50 and there are the above caveats to think about.

I found an interesting article to buttress my statements:

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-shingles-vaccine-help-or-hype/

and it is a very interesting read.

So I am still waffling. Perhaps you should bookmark this post, and if you ever see my post about coming down with shingles -- you will know what to say to me!

Regards,

Sam

[LynneSin]

93. That is correct - the shot isn't a total prevention however...

what it will do is lesson the extent of the shingles should you get it.

The whole concept of these anti-viral treatments whether it's the vaccine shot or any of the anti-viral pills prescribed like the Valtrex I am taking - they are only effective if taken early during the incubation stage. (they say it's most effective 48 hours after the breakout starts). I'm right on that 48 hour border so I'm taking the pills.

But if you have the shot, which is also anti-viral, if you do still get the shingles it will impact the breakout during that incubation period and will shorted the breakout period and lesson the amount of pain and post-breakout pain associated with it.

Most of the stuff I've read was from WebMD, MayoClinic and Harvard Health and they all say the same thing about the effectiveness of the vaccine. It is NOT a cure-all but it can help lessen your chances and if it does happen reduce the breakout and pain associated with it.

[lastlib]

56. My mother got the shingles vaccination a few years ago......

...and within three weeks got shingles! I know it's rare, but it does happen. Still, I'm with you--GET THE DAMN SHOT, folks!! Especially if you're older. LynneSin is right--you DON'T want to mess with this crap, it's a MISERABLE condition.

[Not a Fan]

57. Shingles

I was told you can't get it until you're 60. Nearly there. I see my doctor soon, I'll ask her about it.

A beloved uncle was tortured by it for many years - and he had some severe physical concerns. Nothing bothered him, tortured him really, as much as the shingles. It was a nightmare for him.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to take the chance and bet that they would not get it.

[Liberal In Red State]

59. I just have to know . . . Does the shot hurt? Did you have a reaction to the shot? The kid in me is

scared . . . My sister is pressuring me to have it . . . I know it's the right thing to do . . . but 😬😬😬😬😬😬!

[Retrograde]

68. It varies from person to person

The info sheet I got says that about 1 in 3 people have itching and swelling at the injection site: I was one of the lucky 33%. It was mildly annoying for a couple of days, and the red spot looked kinda ugly so I wore a long-sleeved shirt. My husband had no reaction at all. The actual shot didn't hurt, but that may have been due to a really good nurse.

[No Vested Interest]

73. No, the shot did not hurt.

Just look in the opposite direction and it will be done before you know it.

[LynneSin]

81. I was too young for vaccination

Originally it was for 60 or older but a few years ago FDA also recommended it for 50 to 59 years old. As you get older a shingles outbreak can be much more dangerous and painful.

I hate needles too but I'd rather have that one pin prick over what I am dealing with right now.

[Liberal In Red State]

187. Thank you for replying to my post . . . I know I need to do this . . . I know I'm being childish . .

. . . I will post when I git'er done!

[pinto]

61. Second that. I have an outbreak that started last week. My first and hopefully my last.

Incredibly painful for such a small band of blisters. Have heard people talk about shingles and figured it was just a passing rash. No big deal. But no, it's intense for some. Thankfully, it'll resolve in a week or so.

[William769]

63. Good advice but I would like to interject just one thing if I may.

Don't just go to a pharmacy and get the shot. Talk to your doctor first, he is the best advice concerning your medical history.

I say this because I have had shingles twice in the past 5 years and yes is is very painful the snd time I had it It almost cost me my right eye given where I had the shingles.

I have AIDS and my doctor has told me the worst thing I can is get the shingles vaccine because under my condition it would undoubtedly cause another case for me again (I'm kind of in a damned If I do and damned if I don't situation).

I cannot stress enough that you consult with your doctor. I know many here don't fall under this category but it's always best to be safe than sorry.

[ANOIS]

65. Got the shot. Got shingles anyway!

Maybe 6 months later, & I survived. The doc says I was probably part of the (lucky) 1% to whom that happened.

I think the case was probably milder than had I not gotten the shot.

So yes, get the shot. It DID hurt some for a couple of weeks.

[LynneSin]

82. That is the one thing about the shot - it is not 100%

BUT....

if someone does get the shingles after vaccination the outbreak could be far less severe.

[Mariana]

97. No vaccine works for 100% of the people who get it.

I was properly vaccinated for measles, and I still got measles a few years later. One of my classmates, also vaccinated, got it too. None of the other students got sick. Their vaccines worked, and our little epidemic ended with just us two.

It happens.

[Auntie Bush]

145. I got the shot too a couple years ago. Still got a bad case of Shingles in January.

[oldandhappy]

67. I agree with the recommendation

Get the shot. I reacted to the shot, but only for a few days. I understand it is likely I may still get shingles but it will be a milder case. My mother had shingles in her later life and she was in pain for three months. Getting the shot is simple good sense.

[Lars39]

72. I wonder if you were actually reacting to the MSG in it?

I wish they would use something besides MSG since a lit if people are allergic to it.

[oldandhappy]

77. did not think of that

Entirely possible. It was interesting in that I got the shot in the back of my upper left arm and all of the reaction was on the left side of my torso. Nothing on the right side. I used to live in Asia and had to learn to be careful re MSG.

[Lars39]

83. It generally only affects one side, but can follow the nerves around toward other side,iirc.

My husband had the shingles this year, but he can't have the shot since he's allergic to MSG. It's a wonder I'm not allergic. Used to do salad prep at a cafe and had to use a ton of it on the lettuce.

[cyberswede]

70. My mother got it in her early 80s...

It was excruciating and debilitating for her. And it lasted for months. Just awful!

Thanks for the advice! I hope you recover soon.

[cally]

74. I had it about your age, I had a pretty mild case

but I did get some relief with a homemade ('alternative medicine) paste that I swabbed on. It releived the itching and pain more than the prescripion creams.

[No Vested Interest]

78. Senior citizen here. My doc recommeded the vaccine and I was surprised

when her assistant told me to get it at the pharmacy.
The doc apparently doesn't stock it because of the cost (ca $250), and told me they would have to charge me for administering the vaccine if the doc's assistant gave it.

My CVS is small & doesn't carry it, but sent me to a larger store where it was quickly given with no problem and no aftereffects.

Had chicken pox at 7 yrs (the day after my first communion) and shingles in my late 40's - a mild case. Went on a scheduled vacation within a few days.

Hope all those now suffering find quick relief, and recommend others to get the vaccine.
Thanks for the reminder to all.

[murielm99]

80. I had my shot.

My husband won't do it. He says no one in his family has had shingles, and he does not want the shot.

My dad had shingles. He got them in his eye, and it was hell getting the ointment applied. Because he had dementia, he did not always understand that he was not supposed to scratch the sores. It was a relief to everyone when it finally subsided.

I will not go through that. And I think my husband is nuts not to get the shot.

[catchnrelease]

84. Another vote for the vaccine!

I got shingles when I was in my late 50's. I never get sick, like someone above said--I also gave birth without drugs, and have a high pain tolerance. But this shingles thing was a killer!!!

When I came down with it I had been totally healthy and it hit me out of the blue. I had it on the upper left quarter of my face and hairline. Weirdly enough a few days before it really came on I had a mild ache in the 'back' of my eye if that makes sense. Nothing bad so I didn't pay it any mind. I have since found out that shingles sometimes gives kind of a mild pain in the area that it will attack. But how could you know it's shingles vs any other little thing?

My case came on on a Thursday evening and it was like a wave of fire or electricity that ran from above my left eyebrow, across the top of the eyelid and down along my nose. It kept me awake all night trying advil, tylenol, cold compresses, running cold water on my face...it was crazy! I didn't know anything about shingles symptoms so I was trying to figure out what the heck was going on.

Next day I couldn't get into my regular PA's office so they said go to the urgent care associated with the practice. The dumb guy there gave me an eye test! And said he thought it was irisitis. Even though I could see normally and had no redness in the eye. He gave me some drops and said if the pain continued to come back tomorrow. Stupid me, I did that but by Sat I had to go back. The drs on that day immediately said 'shingles'! Said it was so close to the eye I should see an opthamologist as soon as I could as it is possible to get it in the eye and lose sight there (!) and gave me vicodin for the pain.

The vicodin did nothing but make me barf. I made it to Monday and saw my regular PA who said that vicodin was the wrong drug for the nerve pain and gave me gabapentin. Happily that worked like a charm. (I was able to return to work a week later) Saw the eye dr and I was ok there. I was lucky that I had no scarring on my face but I still have some numb spots around the eyebrow and sometimes it feels like something is crawling there, and it's been about 7 yrs since I had it.

Re the vaccine, 5yrs later, my PA said that the vaccine was now being recommended for those that had shingles in the past and yes it's only 50-60% effective but is supposed to make the outbreak less severe if you do get it. She said I could still get it but not in the same place. So I did get the vax. My insurance did pay for it but only if I got it from my dr's office, not an outside pharmacy. It didn't hurt and I had no after effects.

Sorry to be so long winded here, but this is one thing I always rant on when the subject of shingles comes up.....I consider myself a tough old girl but I would not want to go through that again! GET THE SHOT!!!!! Thanks LynneSin for your PSA!

[LynneSin]

95. She gave me vicodin

I really didn't want to prescription but I took it. She said her and her husband (they run the practice together - only 2 doctors in it) are on a short vacation starting Thursday and she felt it was best I take it just in case.

I was using Naproxon for issues with my knee pain (that's prescription strength Aleve - like taking 2.5 of them at one time). I have no problem tolerating Naproxon but it's not 100% in fixing the pain for this. But I really don't think I want to take the Vicodin. I just hate taking anything with morphine products in except the occasional codeine cough medicine (I can't take that cold meds with D on the end of it - gets me too wired).

[catchnrelease]

106. Re vicodin

Luckily I have rarely needed pain meds, but I know I had taken some vicodin at least once in the past as I had an old prescription bottle left in the cabinet. It didn't cause me any problems that I recall. But this time when I took it, as I said I got sick and it really didn't do much for the pain. I honestly can't say it was the drug for sure vs the shingles but people kept telling me it must be the codeine in the vicodin. I don't know and hope I don't have the need to find out, lol. Hope you feel better asap.

[Mz Pip]

85. My son was 31

He got it the week before his wedding and it was diagnosed right before the rehearsal dinner. Fortunately the anti viral drugs kicked in quickly. His face was swollen but the steroids helped. He didn't have the nerve pain, probably because of his age.

My father in law got it last year. He was 93 and he said it was the worst pain he every had even though he had the vaccine.

I wouldn't wish this on anybody. It's really awful.

[Skip Intro]

87. No injections unless absolutely necessary.

I try hard to avoid government approved additives to food and water.

I'm surely going to be as cautious about stuff shot into my veins.

[Jane Austin]

89. Thanks, Lynnsyn

I had a horrible case of chicken pox when I was five.

I do need to get that shot.

[Horse with no Name]

91. If it is of any help

My Mom had a very severe case.
The ONLY thing that gave her relief was goats milk soap.

I hope you are doing well.

[Skidmore]

92. Didn't know there was such a thing.

My husband had it a couple of years ago. He never recalled having had chicken pox so he must have been pretty little when he did. I know he was in a great deal of discomfort. Thanks for the heads up. I need to do this.

[kelliekat44]

94. Got it last year. Thanks nt

[LWolf]

99. I had chicken pox as a kid and shingles a few years back, at age 50.

My doctor, while prescribing anti-virals and pain meds, never mentioned a vaccine. Perhaps it's too late for a vaccine once you've had them? I don't know. I waited a week to go into the doctor, not really understanding what was going on, and that made the whole experience worse. Not knowing anything about shingles, I didn't diagnose the rash or burning pain accurately; I figured it was a more extreme than usual allergic reaction to something.

[HockeyMom]

101. Thanks, but no thanks

I don't believe in it. "My" doctor won't tell me to get any of these vacs because I don't have a personal doctor.

[HuckleB]

119. "I don't believe in it."

So, you live in a world without science. Hmm.

[NuclearDem]

167. "I don't believe in it."

Sorry, not an option.

[HockeyMom]

169. Yes, it is

My Body, My Choice, isn't just about reproduction.

[jwirr]

103. Already done.

[Triana]

107. Asked my GP doc about this yesterday. She said...

...I should get it (I'm 54). Even if I'm not sure I ever had chickenpox and even if I had ever already had an outbreak of shingles, she said get the vac anyway.

Just FYI. Not meant to be medical advice for everyone but for me - that's what she said. YMMV and for God's sake ASK YOUR OWN DOCTOR - if you have a compromised immune system or other stuff going on it may not be advisable for you. I say ask first if you're not at all sure.

[whistler162]

133. My doctor wasn't really gung-ho on

the vaccination even at my age, 54. She was like the vaccination might block it but it might not, I forget the percentage of whether it was effective or not but it wasn't high. So I decided not to. Flu shot on the other hand I will get since I am around adults and kids all day.

[azmom]

109. When I read

Older DUers. I didn't think it applied to me. I'm 51.

[truedelphi]

112. Here is an excuse - they are damn expensive (CLose to four hundred bucks)

And despite the expense, they are only rated at 63 to 66% efficacy.

So even after going through it, you are still gambling on a procedure to work.

[HuckleB]

115. For some reason, I don't think that it would matter to you if it was cheaper.

[truedelphi]

196. The Shingles Vaccine is a total BS scenario.

A person's chance of getting shingles remains the same whether they get the vaccine or not. Period.

Only reason to promote it is if you' re too stupid to figure that out, (even if others provide you with the statistics), or if you' re tied into the profits of Mega Pharmaceutical companies.

Chance of not getting shingles if you have had chicken pox during some period in your life, and don't bother getting
the vaccine: 62 to 66%.

Chances of not getting shingles if you get the vaccine: 62 to 66%.

[LynneSin]

120. A few things

#1) They are covered under most insurance companies but that the lower cost is for those who are on medicare D plan (is it D or B - I forget). For some reason people are finding that going to the Pharmacy for the shot is much cheaper than the doctor.

#2) You are correct they are only about 65% successful at preventing shingles. However IF you should get shingles, the flareup will be less severe, with less pain, less spread and less post-pain that many older people will suffer should they have a flare-up while on vaccine. Shingles is one of those conditions that as you get older, it can be a much more severe attack. Having the anti-virus in you at the time of attack will minimum what happens or possible prevent it.

#3) No one is saying you must get it - it's just highly recommended.

[truedelphi]

121. I had three friends who got shingles. Two of them went to the health food store,

Obtained organic Tea Tree oil, slathered it on the shingles bumps, and the shingles went away.

The other one, she continued to eat her wheat based diet, with crap "Name Brand Cereal from General Mills in the morning, Red Vines all day long, fried foods, and booze.

I drove her to the doctor's, where she got a vaccine for shingles the minute the ordeal was dying down. Luckily she is on a US Naval pension, and she didn't have to pay a penny out of pocket. But the shingles came back anyway. (Doctor never mentioned it is a gamble, so she was totally surprised.

It's all a bit like this tee shirt explains:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=570378763076377&set=a.133964610051130.26443.129184427195815&type=1&theater

People who rely on conventional medicine do it because god forbid they eat a veggie or look out for themselves in terms of exercise!

[Dorian Gray]

141. This post makes me angry

and I never get angry on DU.

Why does it make me angry? Because of your final statement. It's not true.

I use conventional meds because I have a belief that they mostly work. I advocate for myself. I treat my body well. I exercise and eat well. I actually will support some alternative meds and herbal supplements, too. But a good MD will listen and work with you. And while your friends may have had mild cases of shingles, there are many other people here telling about their very painful issues.

Tea tree oil, while great for a pimple, wouldn't help them very much.

And while I might try to use tea tree oil in addition to anti-virals and pain killers if I had a severe case of shingles, I'm glad that there are vaccines there for me so I can lessen my chances at having to face the disease at all.

[LynneSin]

175. I have to agree with you

My doctor knows that I am not keen on being prescribed just-released pharmaceuticals. I was once prescribed a just released new brand of antibiotic that was suppose to be the cure-all fix-all for my bladder infection (from another doctor) and end the end I paid $90 for something that didn't fix what was wrong with my bladder but instead created havoc with other areas of my body that have health bacteria working to ensure they function properly.

My doctor knows I'd rather go with what is tried and true and I'd prefer generics if possible. Valtrex (what I am taking now for my shingles) has been around for a long time and is in generics form. I can't afford to miss weeks of work because I allowed my shingles to get out of control and so far it looks like I've only had to take off 1.5 days to deal with my issues and I may even drive into work tomorrow.

I trust my current doctor to prescribe what is best for me and not what her pharma rep is pressuring her to prescribe.

And I do use alternatives although Tea Tree Oil was not something I found as reliable alternative to treatment of shingles. I did find that L-Lysine was highly recommended along with a high dosage of B-Complex, C and Zync to boost your immunity. I am taking those supplements now

[truedelphi]

177. Before you get mad, examine some facts.

What is amazing about the shingles vaccine is how someone like myself who has been trained through years of tech writing, to look into the logic of the stats.

Here is one statistic:

100% of all people who have had the chicken pox, even as kids, still have that virus in their system.

I imagine that could be true, so I will accept it.

Then if you do any indie research on the matter, you find out that rather than the scarey scenario that the TV ads portray, only one third of those people will ever get shingles.

Most TV viewers are left with the thought of how 100% of chicken pox victims still have the chicken pox viral material in their bodies. 100% That figure sticks in their minds.

And the TV ads for the vaccine marvelously fail to mention an important fact, that of those 100%, only one third, or 33% will ever go on to experience shingles.

So two thirds of us chicken pox victims will not get shingles.

Then you find out the efficacy rate of the vaccine is 63 to 66%, and that means that the vaccine itself doesn't even affect in any way at all! the rate of the shingles experience! Two thirds of all people who have had chicken pox will not get shingles, whether or not they get the vaccine! So the whole ploy of getting everyone to get that vaccine is nothing but propaganda!

[BuddhaGirl]

147. My MIL used L-Lysine

when she had shingles...it cleared up and surprised the hell out her MD!

[truedelphi]

176. I don't doubt it.

Thanks for sharing that.

What is amazing about the shingles vaccine is how someone like myself who has been trained through years of tech writing, to look into the logic of the stats can untangle the propaganda and see the actual meanings of the statistics.

Here is one statistic:

100% of all people who have had the chicken pox, even as kids, still have that virus in their system.

I imagine that could be true, so I will accept it.

Then if you do any indie research on the matter, you find out that rather than the scarey scenario that the TV ads portray, only one third of those people will ever get shingles.

Most TV viewers are left with the thought of how 100% of chicken pox victims still have the chicken pox viral material in their bodies. 100% That figure sticks in their minds.

And the TV ads for the vaccine marvelously fail to mention an important fact, that of those 100%, only one third, or 33% will ever go on to experience shingles.

So two thirds of us chicken pox victims will not get shingles.

Then you find out the efficacy rate of the vaccine is 63 to 66%, and that means that the vaccine itself doesn't even affect in any way at all! the rate of the shingles experience! So the whole ploy of getting everyone to get that vaccine is nothing but propaganda! and it is all for profit.

[NuclearDem]

168. OFFS.

I'm vegan and I get my shots, and I do it because the actual evidence shows they tend to work.

Fucking ridiculous.

[Marrah_G]

186. That is expensive, but not sure why the rate of success is important

Seems like darn good odds.

[spooky3]

125. Availability may be limited because it has to be refrigerated.

Call first.

My ins covered it ($180) if I went to an in network provider, including CVS, Target, Rite Aid, etc. However neither CVS nor Target had it in stock. So save yourself time and trouble by checking first before running all over town.

[barbtries]

138. i was waiting until i turned 60

didn't know i should get it now. thanks
my friend's father is tormented by shingles - he's over 80

[mcar]

144. I had it 3 years ago at age 52

Welts weren't bad but the pain was intense and continued intermittently for a year. I echo your recommendation: get the vaccination.

[elleng]

151. THANKS!

[merrily]

153. I am so sorry for your trouble. I never had chicken pox, thank goodness. So no need.

[LynneSin]

160. You can still get shingles

http://healthland.time.com/2013/01/29/5-things-you-should-know-about-chickenpox-and-shingles/

[merrily]

161. I can still get chicken pox, but I don't think you can get shingles if you never had the pox.

Maybe I missed it in the article?

Either way, thank you and thank you for the post.

[shanti]

170. got one last year

after hearing about the nightmare it could be, i couldn't not get one! i even talked my 82 yr old mother into getting the shot. she wasn't sure about it at first, but i convinced her. before he died, my dad had got it though, and really suffered.

hope you feel better soon!

[WillowTree]

178. Covered in full by my HMO.

Can be administered by a nurse without having to see the Doc (he approved it over the phone) so I won't even have to pay an office visit copay. Appointment made for next week.

Thanks for the reminder, Lynne!

[Zorra]

184. Yikes! Will do, thanks, LynneSin. nt

[IcyPeas]

185. I don't know if I ever had chicken pox

to my knowledge I didn't. But I could have and not remember.

[miyazaki]

188. Imagine a terminal line of fire ants up your crotch

Ya some people are stricken with this in unmentionable places.
Lucky for me I didn't get it there, but unluckily had shingles follow a nerve line across my side to
the middle of my chest when I was twenty five. It can be agony. Went to the doc and got a shot in the ass and
a prescription.
There's a very good chance to prevent it, so take it. Some of the naysayers here are just victims in waiting.

[LynneSin]

191. I work a volunteer job where most of the people are older than me

and they all had their shingles horror story.

In the end I realize that getting the vaccination is a personal choice and I should have reminded people in the original post to check with their doctors first to confirm if it is right for them.

The vaccine is NOT a cure but it can minimize the pain and suffering should you get it. Since there is little side effects with the vaccination then get it, if the doctor says it's right for you

[rainbow4321]

190. I had shingles when I was 46 y/o

Worst pain ever. It started with what looked like a dry patch on my eyelid. Noticed it when I was putting eye shadow on. Didn't think much of it til the next few days it felt like something was moving or tingling on that area. Being a nurse my first thought was..crap, this may be shingles.
Patch got bigger, lesions started to form and open.
I was off work for a week, my eye swelled shut, the shingles spread from the eyelid to INside my eye, top of my head, the bridge of my nose.
Had to go on oral and eye drop Valtrex, Lortab, and then I asked for Gabapentin once the lesions dried up but the neuropathy (nerve) pain continued. Was on Gabapentin for three months, I think.
I still have scar tissue IN my eye from the shingles that had spread to my eye. I was damn lucky that I didn't lose my vision. Even when the lesions dried up, I felt more comfortable just leaving the affected eyelid closed because it was a chore to keep my eye open. But I knew if I gave in to the more comfortable feeling of leaving it closed I ran the risk of the eye lid muscle and the actual eye muscles getting weak and possible losing muscle and nerve function so I forced myself to keep the ey open.
The head pain----oh my gosh..couldn't even be described as a headache---was incapacitating. To the point where even just hearing my daughter put her car keys on the kitchen counter in another room sent shivers thru my head and body. Taking a single Lortab only took the edge off of the pain, enough to let me get out of bed for a little bit.
The worst of the post shingles neuropathy lasted a good month. Even now, three yrs after the initial outbreak, I still get the occassional tingling/numb feeling around my eye.