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(29,047 posts)elleng
(130,156 posts)but not at all sure about that OK governor.
madokie
(51,076 posts)we've had, in my lifetime anyway
I have agreed with her Zero times on Zero issues
Loudly
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then I don't know where such political support would come from.
I truly don't, Onehandle.
In a red state or otherwise.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)(Except, of course, for their loved ones, and conscientious Americans.)
My point is, one botched execution won't stop our prison industry from its continued bloodshed. IMHO, of course.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)The bloodlust and celebration of the suffering of that prisoner in his death among my RW friends is disgusting. They actually want it to be more and worse.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)They were celebrating in the thread.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)are that they didn't get video footage of it, for fapping material. Sick fucks...
Control-Z
(15,681 posts)I can't imagine it, though.
Crazy hate-talk radio hosts were pissed that they didn't get the promised excitement of a double execution. I kid you not. So fucked up.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)The overwhelming majority of Republicans wont give a shit and wont be disgusted that some black guy suffered before he died.
And we're already seeing that a good chunk of Democrats seem to be ok with it also. Our current President approves of the death penalty the chosen one Hillary Clinton approves of the death penalty and just about any candidate that will run for the Republican nomination will approve of it.
We live in a sick country, and that isn't about to change.
quaker bill
(8,223 posts)does not solve problems. It only validates the concept that killing people is a potential solution to problems. Most crimes of passion are simply attempts by individuals to "solve problems" at a personal level.
It is just like how we need to learn that you do not solve poverty by giving more money to rich people. It does not solve poverty, it just makes rich people richer. Rich people got rich by getting money and then keeping it, it never trickles anywhere but up.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I live in CA. We had a proposition on the ballot in 2012 and lost. We will get it next time. To be a member country of the EU you have to get rid of the death penalty. Hope we can catchup.
Logical
(22,457 posts)herding cats
(19,549 posts)I understand your reasoning, and agree it should be enough. What I'm doubting is that were evolved enough as a society for it to matter to the extent it should.
The hate runs deep in our society. It's extremely difficult to reach past a wall of hate that demands vengeance instead of justice.
I'll concede we're a small step closer to ending the DP, but I fear were still miles away from being that enlightened as a society.
NGU! We'll get there eventually.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I would like to believe we can do the same.
Although this time put a stop to the "What's for Dinner..." and meth cook approach to lethal injections for the foreseeable future.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)barbtries
(28,702 posts)a slim hope.
quaker bill
(8,223 posts)There are many who are likely concerned that death is administered far too comfortably and far too privately.
Orrex
(63,086 posts)Now that they have an easy way to make executions even more nightmarish and barbaric, there will certainly be a bloodthirsty crowd lobbying for the "botched" execution to become SOP.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And this latest horror should help speed up the end.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Lethal injection will fall out of favor, rope or firing squad will return to favor.
malaise
(267,835 posts)The NRA goons will recommend firing squads
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)get the red out
(13,459 posts)I am torn. My philosophical side reasons that the state should not have the authority to kill it's citizens. Imprison forever DEFINITELY.
My emotional side wants the scum that commit horrific crimes fucking DEAD, and living miserably until the end.
Just being honest.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)You still have a lot of yahoos out there who love the idea that a condemned person suffered even more than was planned and will brand it "justice".
I'm afraid the only way to get at the death penalty would be for the courts to take action and to rule once and for all that it is a clear violation of the 8th Amendment. Why they haven't already done so, I have no clue. But I guess many judges fear it would ruin their "law and order" reputations.
And then I see the current make of the Supreme Court and I can't be too optimistic about it. But maybe I'm wrong. I sure hope so.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)http://www.lifeofthelaw.org/a-mostly-untold-story-botched-executions-and-the-legitimacy-of-capital-punishment/
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17. April 6, 1992. Arizona. Donald Eugene Harding. Asphyxiation. Death was not pronounced until 10 1/2 minutes after the cyanide tablets were dropped. During the execution, Harding thrashed and struggled violently against the restraining straps. A television journalist who witnessed the execution, Cameron Harper, said that Harding's spasms and jerks lasted 6 minutes and 37 seconds. "Obviously, this man was suffering. This was a violent death ... an ugly event. We put animals to death more humanely." Another witness, newspaper reporter Carla McClain, said, "Harding's death was extremely violent. He was in great pain. I heard him gasp and moan. I saw his body turn from red to purple." One reporter who witnessed the execution suffered from insomnia and assorted illnesses for several weeks; two others were "walking vegetables" for several days.
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22. May 3, 1995. Missouri. Emmitt Foster. Lethal Injection. Seven minutes after the lethal chemicals began to flow into Foster's arm, the execution was halted when the chemicals stopped circulating. With Foster gasping and convulsing, the blinds were drawn so the witnesses could not view the scene. Death was pronounced thirty minutes after the execution began, and three minutes later the blinds were reopened so the witnesses could view the corpse. According to William "Mal" Gum, the Washington County Coroner who pronounced death, the problem was caused by the tightness of the leather straps that bound Foster to the execution gurney; it was so tight that the flow of chemicals into the veins was restricted. Foster did not die until several minutes after a prison worker finally loosened the straps. The coroner entered the death chamber twenty minutes after the execution began, diagnosed the problem, and told the officials to loosen the strap so the execution could proceed. In an editorial, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch called the execution "a particularly sordid chapter in Missouri's capital punishment experience."
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/some-examples-post-furman-botched-executions
While I wish it was the case that horror stories would halt our use of executions, incidents like this only delight those who believe it is a good idea (and that our current methods of execution are too kind), and vanish too quickly to sustain any real movement for change.
dembotoz
(16,740 posts)eye for an eye and all that
Jgarrick
(521 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)It isn't as much about keeping dangerous criminals away from humanity, which could easily be done with a life sentence in maximum security. It's about vengeance; gaining revenge in an eye-for-an-eye spirit that is deeply satisfying to a large segment of the population. Far from decrying the "botched" executions, you can count on roars of approval that prisoners got what they deserved.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's plenty of bloodlust here.
If this execution can't turn DU against the death penalty, it's not going to turn the general population against the death penalty.
MissMillie
(38,458 posts)I do think that the reluctance of drug companies to manufacture the drugs will eventually make a difference when it comes to lethal injection.
I just can't help but wonder what the death penalty crowd will think of next when lethal injection is no longer an option. Scary thought.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)gives me a lot of reason to pause on the death penalty.
To me that is nowhere near a safe margin of error when assigning such a final and undo-able punishment. I'm not at all with giving anyone a death penalty if there is a 1 in 25 chance that they might be innocent.
MO_Moderate
(377 posts)Pity for those who rape, torture and murder is not all that common.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)"Oh... The cocktail didn't work...? Hmm... So sorry murderer of a 19 year old girl who wasn't able to see what she could accomplish in Omlahoma. While the government investigates, they should consider bringing back public hangings or instituting death by guillotine... I just love a good show!"
"Jesus... He shot her and buried her alive! And people are upset HE may have felt a little pain!?"
Yeah, I don't think anything will change.