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Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:22 PM Apr 2014

A Soldier shares his thoughts about Russia & Ukraine. My son just found this on Facebook & showed me

You can see an "Airborne" patch on his uniform, but his name tag and face are hidden. Sorry if it's a dupe, I haven't been on for a couple of days....




Seems like *some* soldiers are waking up... tired of being pawns/cannon fodder for the Military Industrial Complex.

Peace,

Ghost
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A Soldier shares his thoughts about Russia & Ukraine. My son just found this on Facebook & showed me (Original Post) Ghost in the Machine Apr 2014 OP
He is risking a career for a war that is not happening nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1
The patch is the insignia of the 101st Airborne Division pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #2
Band of Brothers! Squinch Apr 2014 #3
Exactly. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #4
we won't go. we won't war make with white people. bad "optics". elehhhhna Apr 2014 #6
Do the Serbians know about these optics? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #17
I was a leg in the 101st in Vietnam pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #7
I guess I once knew that--about the 101st going Airmobile, I mean-- Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #15
You could be right about the date pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #21
He will be found out within a day (nt) JJChambers Apr 2014 #5
Thanks for the clarification, pinboy3niner... aren't they based out of Ft. Campbell, Ky? n/t Ghost in the Machine Apr 2014 #10
Yes, that's where they're based. nt pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #13
Yes, they are based there. Sissyk Apr 2014 #27
Okay? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #8
"As Nadin said, what exactly is the urgency here?" Ghost in the Machine Apr 2014 #9
I mean, it's a nice sentiment and all... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #26
I have not heard a word from anyone in the U.S. government Jenoch Apr 2014 #11
Hopefully, there are Russian soldiers with similar signs. That would be helpful, also. n/t pampango Apr 2014 #12
I wonder if he served in Iraq under Junior. Nt Shankapotomus Apr 2014 #14
Probably not--I think I see a couple of E-4 insignias. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #16
As an E-4? AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #18
With that attitude? Mr_Rogers Apr 2014 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #19
As an E-4 with the current points promotion cycle AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #25
Presuming of course it is actually an active duty American soldier n/t Lurks Often Apr 2014 #23
Yeah, didn't we see something like this back with Syria? NuclearDem Apr 2014 #24
And when Obama was first elected, iirc. whistler162 May 2014 #28
I have vague memories of a similar Facebook post Lurks Often May 2014 #29
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. He is risking a career for a war that is not happening
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:26 PM
Apr 2014

If we go to another European conflict, it will not be over Ukraine, it will be over Poland or Rumania, Article V, and that IS our business.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
4. Exactly.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:33 PM
Apr 2014

That may or may not mean he's been through jump school.

Not that I think that fact matters. I fully agree with his sentiments, regardless of whether he's foolish enough to exit a perfectly good airplane while it is in flight.

In the 1st Cav, we used to say only 2 things fall out of the sky: Birdshit & fools.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. I was a leg in the 101st in Vietnam
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:45 PM
Apr 2014

The division had gone airmobile like the Cav, so jump qualification was no longer required. Recently, though, my old battalion (2/501 Infantry) was reactivated--as a parachute bn. of the 82nd Airborne Div.

Today the 101st is Air Assault, though the Airborne tab remains part of the division logo.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
15. I guess I once knew that--about the 101st going Airmobile, I mean--
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:54 PM
Apr 2014

but I don't spend much time ruminating about the "good old days." I think the conversion of the 101st happened about I DEROSed in July '68, though, didn't it?

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
21. You could be right about the date
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:14 PM
Apr 2014

It would have been around that time frame. I believe one of the brigades was first sent to Vietnam in '67 and the other followed later.

I joined the division in-country in '69--never even saw Ft. Campbell until a reunion a couple of decades later.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
27. Yes, they are based there.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:30 PM
Apr 2014

Also, did you see the news this week about the deactivation of 1 or 2 squads(?). I don't know enough about the military to discuss what this means, but I saw it on the local news early this week.

I thought they said it had to do with cuts to the military after our soldiers all return from Afghanistan and that it had been years and years since part of the 101st had been deactivated.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
8. Okay?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:49 PM
Apr 2014

I mean, who of importance is actively pressing war with Russia right now? Other than some wishy-washy statements from John McCain, and how far can he take us really?

It's not like we're in late 2002-early 2003 here. As Nadin said, what exactly is the urgency here?

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
9. "As Nadin said, what exactly is the urgency here?"
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:13 PM
Apr 2014

I don't recall mentioning any urgency, personally. If I did, please feel free to point it out. All I did was shared a photo that conveyed the thoughts of an active Soldier, and I happen to agree with the sentiment conveyed. No more wars! Anywhere! In the immortal words of John Lennon... "Give Peace A Chance"!

Peace,

Ghost

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
26. I mean, it's a nice sentiment and all...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:21 PM
Apr 2014

....Can't say that I necessarily disagree, but.....

If this guy is going to put his military career on the line on a statement of principle, wouldn't you agree that it should be over a situation that is more than just hypothetical, at most?

It just strikes me as odd.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
11. I have not heard a word from anyone in the U.S. government
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:25 PM
Apr 2014

who has a say so saying we will put troops on the ground in Ukraine.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
16. Probably not--I think I see a couple of E-4 insignias.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:58 PM
Apr 2014

unless he was a bad boy & got himself busted at some point, I would imagine he would be at least an E-6 if he had been in long enough to have served under Bush.

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AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
22. As an E-4 with the current points promotion cycle
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:19 PM
Apr 2014

and training time/deployment time/home station time/ reset time. He has most likely one deployment. He may have a second one coming up soon. But even an E-1 can make E-4 in less than two years, that is VERY common. If he came in with a little rank due to college, trade school, etc it would most likely be even less time.

The average soldier (for all MOS's) spends about 22-24 weeks combined in Basic training and AIT. If they were PCSed to their first duty station and deployed within 90 days and served a typical one year deployment then he would be in the military 20-22 months total when he got back from his first duty station. Since stateside dwell time is now 24 months minimum between deployments (has been that way since the end of 2010)It means that even with a PCS move the average soldier only has one deployment in a standard 4 year contract. If he is in 4 years and has not made E-5 that says far, far more about the individual than it does anything else. For my previous MOS (before I retired) if you were not making E-5 within three years you were a serious shitbag. Our promotion points are low and our promotion "put through" rate is high. We are an anomaly, but most MOS's if it has taken more than 4 years, you have a problem.

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NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
24. Yeah, didn't we see something like this back with Syria?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:48 PM
Apr 2014

And it ended up having some connection to the SEA?

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
29. I have vague memories of a similar Facebook post
Thu May 1, 2014, 09:16 AM
May 2014

only it was a different branch of service, maybe about Syria or Libya.

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