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moriah

(8,311 posts)
Thu May 1, 2014, 09:45 AM May 2014

Why I Will Vaccinate My Kids (if i have any)

I know a young woman who isn't vaccinated against any "childhood" disease. Why? When she had her first shots, she developed encephalitis and had to be hospitalized. The doctors said that she shouldn't have any more shots.

People who feel the risks from vaccines are too much would probably stop there and say "See, that's why I'm not vaccinating my kids! Look what happened to her!"

They're forgetting that this young woman survived and grew up to have children of her own. She's out there, sometimes pregnant, among all of YOUR unvaccinated kids. There are thousands of others like her out there who are unable to be vaccinated because of true legitimate health reasons, such as allergies to the components of the vaccine or in my friend's case, bad reactions to vaccines, many pregnant women. The children of these unvaccinated women lack maternal antibodies against these diseases, so even though my friend breastfed her babies, she wasn't able to pass on her own immunity since she had none. Not all moms have the luxury of staying home and taking care of their children until they're able to get their first shots -- my friend worked in customer service and was lucky her job allowed her to take breaks to pump.

She wasn't so lucky when someone who hadn't gotten vaccinated for pertussis came in contact with her when her baby was less than three months old.

Both mom and baby survived, but had to be hospitalized.

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The "herd immunity" effect occurs when a sufficient amount of people are vaccinated against a disease to make the spread of an epidemic difficult if not impossible. We're not always sure where that number is going to be -- it depends on a lot of things, including a population's likelihood of exposure to foreign travelers from areas with lower vaccination and higher disease rates. Overall, there's no evidence that in the US measles outbreaks are associated with lower childhood vaccination rates when you look at state by state numbers, but on the smaller scale, the associations are pretty obvious:

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217746942/texas-megachurch-at-center-of-measles-outbreak

Measles was declared eliminated in the U.S. more than a decade ago. But in recent years, the highly infectious disease has cropped up in communities with low vaccination rates, most recently in North Texas.

There, 21 people — the majority of whom have not been immunized — have gotten the disease, which began at a vaccine-skeptical megachurch.

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Pearsons set up vaccination clinics on church property, but at the same time, when she preaches to her congregates, the message is for them to put their faith in God.

"So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts," she has said.


Measles is a particularly difficult disease to diagnose. It doesn't help that few residents get to see it in their training, but even back when my mother was a child and had it, they weren't sure exactly what she had at first and treated her for scarlet fever. They naturally took the precautions of the time like keeping her at home and having the doctor come to her -- which we aren't doing now when our kids get sick. Prevention of medically-based transmission of the disease when the kids come in for treatment is extremely costly, when vaccines are cheap -- and overall, safer than catching the disease that the shot prevents.

Vaccines aren't a 100% thing, nor are they 100% safe. I'm not saying that. But I will vaccinate if I have kids, and do my best to keep my child away from yours until they've had their shots. Don't be sheep depending on the herd immunity or you will ruin it for everyone.
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Why I Will Vaccinate My Kids (if i have any) (Original Post) moriah May 2014 OP
This pediatric nurse practitioner... 3catwoman3 May 2014 #1
Newborns? HockeyMom May 2014 #2
I think many parents want to wait till kids are old enough to communicate better The Straight Story May 2014 #3
The total number of antigens... 3catwoman3 May 2014 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #5

3catwoman3

(23,946 posts)
1. This pediatric nurse practitioner...
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:27 AM
May 2014

...thanks you for your support of the health of your future children and those kids who are already here.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
2. Newborns?
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:43 AM
May 2014

Hepatitis vacs for NEWBORNS? I looked at a chart for babies and children and was totally shocked at it. No wonder so parents are saying No, or at the least calling for them at later ages, for the multitude of vacs there are today.

Hell, my now adult children never had half of these vacs, and as a Senior myself, I certainly never did, let alone any booster every 10 years.

Yes, it horrified me.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
3. I think many parents want to wait till kids are old enough to communicate better
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:46 AM
May 2014

Before getting the shots. I can see that.

When kids are 4/5/6 if they have any reactions they can better explain what they are feeling and such. I don't see that as being unreasonable.

3catwoman3

(23,946 posts)
4. The total number of antigens...
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:03 PM
May 2014

...(the proteins that cause our immune systems to make antibodies) contained in the immunizations given during the first 6 months of infancy is smaller than the antigens that used to be in a single smallpox vaccination.

The Hepatitis B immunization is extremely benignly tolerated - seldom even a localized red spot.

The immunizations recommended during the first 2 years of life are encouraged at those times because those are the times when children are the most vulnerable to those diseases.

Babies do not have weak immune systems. They are exposed to thousands of antigens the moment they pop out of the uterus, and they handle them quite competently.

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