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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu May 8, 2014, 06:44 AM May 2014

Neil deGrasse Tyson 'Goes There' on Climate Change: Creationists and Right-Wingers Freak Out

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/neil-degrasse-tyson-goes-there-global-warming-creationist-and-right-wing-crowd



Like clockwork, the folks at Answers in Genesis (AiG), the creationist haven for self-imposed ignorance, take issue once again with Neil deGrasse Tyson, host of the popular television series “Cosmos.”

While it surprises no one that AiG would flip out over evolution, the Big Bang and any other perfectly described and demonstrated scientific theory, it is rather funny to see them flipping out over something much less controversial: oxygen.

Yes, they are upset about oxygen. At the start of the episode, Tyson describes what the early earth was like and its oxygen levels, and discusses some rather large insects that were able to thrive because of the massive amounts of oxygen on the planet.

AiG says:

Actually the notion that atmospheric oxygen levels were higher (estimated at 31–35 percent compared to our 21 percent, not really “almost twice”) has not been demonstrated. But high levels of oxygen can be toxic, and not all insects preserved with these giants were giants. Biologists are not certain why some insects grew so large and investigation is ongoing.

What makes this so funny is not only how wrong they are—scientists do know why these bugs grew so large (hint: it’s oxygen)—but the only things AiG links to are more pages inside of AiG; they don’t use actual peer-reviewed studies to back up their claims. In essense they are saying it’s true because they say it’s true. This is called circular reasoning.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson 'Goes There' on Climate Change: Creationists and Right-Wingers Freak Out (Original Post) xchrom May 2014 OP
Bibleghazi! Bibleghazi! postulater May 2014 #1
Lol I am stealing that! TxDemChem May 2014 #4
I'm stealing that too... Stellar May 2014 #24
When did science get to be a bad word newfie11 May 2014 #2
Science got to be a bad word when... CincyDem May 2014 #11
Americans, it seems, have never really cared much for smart people. ronnie624 May 2014 #28
I just wish these ignorant morons would go away malaise May 2014 #3
Peer reviewed sources... right deoncerw May 2014 #5
Welcome to DU! Delphinus May 2014 #31
S.E. Cupp accuses Bill Nye of “bullying” people about climate change xchrom May 2014 #6
obvious projection eShirl May 2014 #8
And old Sippy Cup strikes again. It's too bad. She's a smart, capable woman and jtuck004 May 2014 #10
What possible evidence can you cite regarding her being "smart"? hatrack May 2014 #14
She's about as smart as the next person, at least average. jtuck004 May 2014 #20
I'm not a scientist either, but I get global warming/climate change steve2470 May 2014 #34
S.E 'my Cupp runneth over with malaise May 2014 #16
He says vs She says. Waste of time. PADemD May 2014 #21
He Blinded Me With SCIENCE! Blue Owl May 2014 #26
Maybe S.E. Cupp suffers from oxygen deprivation? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #30
Nye vs. Cupp: Mental giant versus mental midget, nuff said nt steve2470 May 2014 #33
k/r marmar May 2014 #7
So, their bible says the earth is flat. safeinOhio May 2014 #9
It also says the Sun orbits the Earth and that pi is 3 Nevernose May 2014 #22
Posted for later watching. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #12
Humanity has taken giant leaps backward before. mn9driver May 2014 #13
I wish "Goes there" would go away. Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #15
Whoa! You went there! hatrack May 2014 #18
I thought AIG was some big insurance company W bailed out.... mountain grammy May 2014 #17
Ken Ham should be deported back to Australia... Moostache May 2014 #19
Well you cannot fix permanently stupid. Rex May 2014 #23
1.6 times more oxygen rounds to 2 pretty nicely. BootinUp May 2014 #25
WOW self referential links supporting one's position hootinholler May 2014 #27
Lol. ronnie624 May 2014 #29
LOL Maven May 2014 #32

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
2. When did science get to be a bad word
Thu May 8, 2014, 06:53 AM
May 2014

Growing up in the 50's science was exciting and no one (that I can remember) questioned it. Certainly not comparing it to the bible.

Now these ignorant ideas from folks with less than idiot intelligence are everywhere!

The MSM seems to love them as do the repugs. God help humanity if they win the minds of those growing up.

CincyDem

(6,347 posts)
11. Science got to be a bad word when...
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:07 AM
May 2014

...People realized it was much easier to have an opinion and cherry pick facts (if any) to support it versus putting the effort into understanding facts to form an opinion.

Understanding science takes work.

Having an opinion takes breathing.

TPTB figured out long ago that manipulating opinion was much easier and more lucrative that dealing with facts so step one...demonize those who have put in the work to understand facts.

I love to see there's guys getting airtime for reality. It's like watching "facts fight back". I worry however that we have created a generation of viewers and listeners who would believe the moon really is made out of cheese if Rush or Billo told them so..

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
28. Americans, it seems, have never really cared much for smart people.
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:32 AM
May 2014
egghead:

In his Pulitzer Prize-winning historical essay on American anti-intellectualism, historian Richard Hofstadter wrote: "During the campaign of 1952, the country seemed to be in need of some term to express that disdain for intellectuals which had by then become a self-conscious motif in American politics. The word egghead was originally used without invidious associations, but quickly assumed them, and acquired a much sharper tone than the traditional highbrow. Shortly after the campaign was over, Louis Bromfield, a popular novelist of right-wing political persuasion, suggested that the word might someday find its way into dictionaries as follows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egghead

Anti-intellectualism in American Life

Anti-intellectualism in American Life is a book by Richard Hofstadter published in 1963 that won the 1964 Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction. In this book, Hofstadter set out to trace the social movements that altered the role of intellect in American society. In so doing, he explored questions regarding the purpose of education and whether the democratization of education altered that purpose and reshaped its form. In considering the historic tension between access to education and excellence in education, Hofstadter argued that both anti-intellectualism and utilitarianism were consequences, in part, of the democratization of knowledge. Moreover, he saw these themes as historically embedded in America's national fabric, an outcome of its colonial European and evangelical Protestant heritage. Anti-intellectualism and utilitarianism were functions of American cultural heritage, not necessarily of democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism_in_American_Life

I've read that anti-intellectualism was so bad in the fifties, that after the launch of the first Russian satellite, the US had to establish an emergency campaign for public schools, to institute a greater focus on science in order not to fall behind the Soviets in this technology.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
3. I just wish these ignorant morons would go away
Thu May 8, 2014, 06:57 AM
May 2014

We need a global survey - where were you during science class - what was your grade?

deoncerw

(1 post)
5. Peer reviewed sources... right
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:01 AM
May 2014

Last edited Sun May 25, 2014, 08:43 AM - Edit history (1)

What else to expect from creationists? It's not like there is any peer reviewed creationism journals that they can quote to back up their claims...
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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
6. S.E. Cupp accuses Bill Nye of “bullying” people about climate change
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:06 AM
May 2014
http://www.salon.com/2014/05/07/s_e_cupp_accuses_bill_nye_of_bullying_people_about_climate_change/



Popular science personality Bill Nye once again stepped up to the defense of science, appearing on CNN’s “Crossfire” Tuesday night to discuss the third National Climate Assessment, a landmark report documenting the ways in which climate change is impacting the United States.

Officially, this was “Bill Nye the Science Guy debates climate change with Nick Loris of the Heritage Foundation,” a conservative think tank with climate skepticism tendencies and reported financial ties to the Koch brothers, so it was all but certain to be a disaster. But the real battle ended up going down between Nye and conservative host S.E. Cupp, who accused Nye, along with the Obama administration, of attempting to scare people about the scary reality of climate change.

What Nye called “informing” the public about the social and economic cost of things that are already happening, like extreme weather and sea level rise, Cupp termed “scare tactics.”

“Isn’t it a problem when ‘science guys’ attempt to bully other people?” Cupp asked. “Nick here had to say, ‘I’m not a denier.’ He had to get it out: ‘I’m not a denier.’ Because really, the science group has tried to shame anyone who dares question this, and the point I’m trying to make is, it’s not working with the public.” Loris, for his part, spent much of his airtime calling aspects of the report into question.


*** just thought i'd add this little gem.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. And old Sippy Cup strikes again. It's too bad. She's a smart, capable woman and
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:59 AM
May 2014

chooses to embrace everything but.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
20. She's about as smart as the next person, at least average.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:05 AM
May 2014

She forms complete sentences, reads well, that whole thing. I watched their show a little, (they still doing that?). Krystal and Steve seemed the ones that would really dig and could put their message across. I don't think Sippy (what an unfortunate nick) gets up to their level, and, I thought, would almost certainly be someone I actively avoid, because life is short. Otoh, she may just be over-playing a role for which she gets a check, espousing viewpoints toward which she was inclined I suspect (she may have been some kind of Repug nabob b4 this, I haven't cared enough to check), but loom larger when it comes out of the little plastic box.

Many serial killers are smart too, so until people prove it to me personally, I think it's safer to just assume people are smart up front. Just because one turns evil, mean, spiteful or Republican doesn't mean they can't think. Besides, almost everything that involves humans on that television is a stage show that sacrifices truth for someone's idea of entertainment.

It takes more to entertain me these days. I would as soon soon watch clowns instead of most of what it broadcasts, and I never liked watching clowns for some odd reason. So Sippy went out with the tv some months ago, along with all her fellow performers. Hopefully they stay gone.















steve2470

(37,457 posts)
34. I'm not a scientist either, but I get global warming/climate change
Thu May 8, 2014, 05:05 PM
May 2014

She has no excuses. I'd be willing to bet in private, she admits there's truth to it. Hell, I bet even Rush Limbaugh in private admits it. Otherwise, I agree with you. She's not a mental midget as I said in another post, I got a tad carried away.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
16. S.E 'my Cupp runneth over with
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:34 AM
May 2014

stupidity'.
Ah well! The day I take her seriously is the day you can declare the death of my mental capacity.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
21. He says vs She says. Waste of time.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:09 AM
May 2014

Bill Nye needs to present pictures that show the results of global warming. Show the droughts, the melting polar ice caps, the hurricane storms that hit England this past winter, the heat wave and fires that hit Australia last year, and a global map of projected sea level rise.

safeinOhio

(32,661 posts)
9. So, their bible says the earth is flat.
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:44 AM
May 2014

"King James Bible
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

That should push them off the edge

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
22. It also says the Sun orbits the Earth and that pi is 3
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:17 AM
May 2014

And that's the problem with fundamentalists: if their religion becomes everything, then their Bronze Age religious book becomes their science text.

mn9driver

(4,423 posts)
13. Humanity has taken giant leaps backward before.
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:18 AM
May 2014

The dark ages, for example. There's no reason to think it couldn't happen again.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
17. I thought AIG was some big insurance company W bailed out....
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:38 AM
May 2014

turns our they're just "Assholes in God."

I love "Cosmos." So much has been discovered since Carl Sagan did the first program, I'm learning all over again.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
19. Ken Ham should be deported back to Australia...
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:58 AM
May 2014

Of course, the Aussies are smart enough to not want him back anyway...

Answers in Genesis is such a complete joke that I just can't believe people still fork over money to them.
With so many people struggling just to get by, the fact that snake oil salesmen like Ham STILL make their living by essentially stealing from the poor, the desperate and the gullible is offensive in a way that puts him right up there with bankers and hedge fund criminals in my mind.

The joke's on Ham though ultimately....even if he IS right and there is a god and the flavor of hateful desert deity that he promotes is that god and there is a heaven he sends people too, my ticket to Ken Ham's heaven is already punched because for me, there could be no greater hell than being stuck spending eternity with that piece of shit.

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