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http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/neil-degrasse-tyson-goes-there-global-warming-creationist-and-right-wing-crowdLike clockwork, the folks at Answers in Genesis (AiG), the creationist haven for self-imposed ignorance, take issue once again with Neil deGrasse Tyson, host of the popular television series Cosmos.
While it surprises no one that AiG would flip out over evolution, the Big Bang and any other perfectly described and demonstrated scientific theory, it is rather funny to see them flipping out over something much less controversial: oxygen.
Yes, they are upset about oxygen. At the start of the episode, Tyson describes what the early earth was like and its oxygen levels, and discusses some rather large insects that were able to thrive because of the massive amounts of oxygen on the planet.
AiG says:
Actually the notion that atmospheric oxygen levels were higher (estimated at 3135 percent compared to our 21 percent, not really almost twice) has not been demonstrated. But high levels of oxygen can be toxic, and not all insects preserved with these giants were giants. Biologists are not certain why some insects grew so large and investigation is ongoing.
What makes this so funny is not only how wrong they arescientists do know why these bugs grew so large (hint: its oxygen)but the only things AiG links to are more pages inside of AiG; they dont use actual peer-reviewed studies to back up their claims. In essense they are saying its true because they say its true. This is called circular reasoning.
postulater
(5,075 posts)TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)Growing up in the 50's science was exciting and no one (that I can remember) questioned it. Certainly not comparing it to the bible.
Now these ignorant ideas from folks with less than idiot intelligence are everywhere!
The MSM seems to love them as do the repugs. God help humanity if they win the minds of those growing up.
CincyDem
(6,347 posts)...People realized it was much easier to have an opinion and cherry pick facts (if any) to support it versus putting the effort into understanding facts to form an opinion.
Understanding science takes work.
Having an opinion takes breathing.
TPTB figured out long ago that manipulating opinion was much easier and more lucrative that dealing with facts so step one...demonize those who have put in the work to understand facts.
I love to see there's guys getting airtime for reality. It's like watching "facts fight back". I worry however that we have created a generation of viewers and listeners who would believe the moon really is made out of cheese if Rush or Billo told them so..
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egghead
Anti-intellectualism in American Life is a book by Richard Hofstadter published in 1963 that won the 1964 Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction. In this book, Hofstadter set out to trace the social movements that altered the role of intellect in American society. In so doing, he explored questions regarding the purpose of education and whether the democratization of education altered that purpose and reshaped its form. In considering the historic tension between access to education and excellence in education, Hofstadter argued that both anti-intellectualism and utilitarianism were consequences, in part, of the democratization of knowledge. Moreover, he saw these themes as historically embedded in America's national fabric, an outcome of its colonial European and evangelical Protestant heritage. Anti-intellectualism and utilitarianism were functions of American cultural heritage, not necessarily of democracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism_in_American_Life
I've read that anti-intellectualism was so bad in the fifties, that after the launch of the first Russian satellite, the US had to establish an emergency campaign for public schools, to institute a greater focus on science in order not to fall behind the Soviets in this technology.
malaise
(268,885 posts)We need a global survey - where were you during science class - what was your grade?
deoncerw
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What else to expect from creationists? It's not like there is any peer reviewed creationism journals that they can quote to back up their claims...
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Delphinus
(11,830 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)Popular science personality Bill Nye once again stepped up to the defense of science, appearing on CNNs Crossfire Tuesday night to discuss the third National Climate Assessment, a landmark report documenting the ways in which climate change is impacting the United States.
Officially, this was Bill Nye the Science Guy debates climate change with Nick Loris of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank with climate skepticism tendencies and reported financial ties to the Koch brothers, so it was all but certain to be a disaster. But the real battle ended up going down between Nye and conservative host S.E. Cupp, who accused Nye, along with the Obama administration, of attempting to scare people about the scary reality of climate change.
What Nye called informing the public about the social and economic cost of things that are already happening, like extreme weather and sea level rise, Cupp termed scare tactics.
Isnt it a problem when science guys attempt to bully other people? Cupp asked. Nick here had to say, Im not a denier. He had to get it out: Im not a denier. Because really, the science group has tried to shame anyone who dares question this, and the point Im trying to make is, its not working with the public. Loris, for his part, spent much of his airtime calling aspects of the report into question.
*** just thought i'd add this little gem.
eShirl
(18,490 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)chooses to embrace everything but.
hatrack
(59,583 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)She forms complete sentences, reads well, that whole thing. I watched their show a little, (they still doing that?). Krystal and Steve seemed the ones that would really dig and could put their message across. I don't think Sippy (what an unfortunate nick) gets up to their level, and, I thought, would almost certainly be someone I actively avoid, because life is short. Otoh, she may just be over-playing a role for which she gets a check, espousing viewpoints toward which she was inclined I suspect (she may have been some kind of Repug nabob b4 this, I haven't cared enough to check), but loom larger when it comes out of the little plastic box.
Many serial killers are smart too, so until people prove it to me personally, I think it's safer to just assume people are smart up front. Just because one turns evil, mean, spiteful or Republican doesn't mean they can't think. Besides, almost everything that involves humans on that television is a stage show that sacrifices truth for someone's idea of entertainment.
It takes more to entertain me these days. I would as soon soon watch clowns instead of most of what it broadcasts, and I never liked watching clowns for some odd reason. So Sippy went out with the tv some months ago, along with all her fellow performers. Hopefully they stay gone.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)She has no excuses. I'd be willing to bet in private, she admits there's truth to it. Hell, I bet even Rush Limbaugh in private admits it. Otherwise, I agree with you. She's not a mental midget as I said in another post, I got a tad carried away.
malaise
(268,885 posts)stupidity'.
Ah well! The day I take her seriously is the day you can declare the death of my mental capacity.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Bill Nye needs to present pictures that show the results of global warming. Show the droughts, the melting polar ice caps, the hurricane storms that hit England this past winter, the heat wave and fires that hit Australia last year, and a global map of projected sea level rise.
Blue Owl
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,881 posts)As do many other righties.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)safeinOhio
(32,661 posts)"King James Bible
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
That should push them off the edge
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And that's the problem with fundamentalists: if their religion becomes everything, then their Bronze Age religious book becomes their science text.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)mn9driver
(4,423 posts)The dark ages, for example. There's no reason to think it couldn't happen again.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)hatrack
(59,583 posts)mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)turns our they're just "Assholes in God."
I love "Cosmos." So much has been discovered since Carl Sagan did the first program, I'm learning all over again.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Of course, the Aussies are smart enough to not want him back anyway...
Answers in Genesis is such a complete joke that I just can't believe people still fork over money to them.
With so many people struggling just to get by, the fact that snake oil salesmen like Ham STILL make their living by essentially stealing from the poor, the desperate and the gullible is offensive in a way that puts him right up there with bankers and hedge fund criminals in my mind.
The joke's on Ham though ultimately....even if he IS right and there is a god and the flavor of hateful desert deity that he promotes is that god and there is a heaven he sends people too, my ticket to Ken Ham's heaven is already punched because for me, there could be no greater hell than being stuck spending eternity with that piece of shit.
Rex
(65,616 posts)AiG is a joke.
BootinUp
(47,138 posts)looks like almost twice to me.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Where oh where have I seen that tactic before?
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)I'd hazard a guess.