New bid to topple Obamacare in court: Did Harry Reid bend the rules?

[stopbush]

New bid to topple Obamacare in court: Did Harry Reid bend the rules?
Senate majority leader Harry Reid violated the Constitution in his maneuverings to pass Obamacare, a conservative legal fund argues. The case will go before a federal panel of judges Thursday.

Christian Science Monitor By Warren Richey

The Affordable Care Act is back at center stage in the courts on Thursday with yet another legal challenge that aims to derail President Obama’s massive health care reform law.

Rather than attacking the individual mandate or the so-called contraceptive mandate, this lawsuit challenges a legislative maneuver used by Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D) of Nevada to pass the bill five years ago.

The little-noticed legal battle is being waged by a conservative public interest law group, the Pacific Legal Foundation (PLF). It seeks to enforce a constitutional command: “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.”

Lawyers for the group charge that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was first passed by the Senate and only later approved by the House in violation of the Constitution’s Origination Clause.

More: http://news.yahoo.com/bid-topple-obamacare-court-did-harry-reid-bend-120003810.html

[randys1]

1. Hopefully they can revoke the law, kill a few million more americans and then we will stop

fucking around and DEMAND universal healthcare

stupid bigots will NEVER stop trying to erase the great achievement by the Black prez

[misterhighwasted]

2. Making its way to the Supreme Court for the final decision:

".... a conservative legal fund argues"

Conservative Legal Fund needs to be looked into to expose who they are & their money trail.

Investigate this Conservative Legal Fund

[randys1]

6. Will Roberts want to go down as the most corrupt justice chief in history, is the only question

[stopbush]

4. My family is covered by Obamacare through the Medicaid expansion.

I had hoped that we were over the hump about worrying that we had no healthcare. But with all of these attempts to overturn the ACA, I'm back to worrying that our newly gained healthcare could evaporate overnight.

It's a serious concern.

And FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCKING REPUBLICANS WHO CONTINUE TO PUT MY FAMILY THROUGH THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!

[dmosh42]

3. Probably coming from the "Benghazi" group. Nitwits and nincompoops!

[karynnj]

5. Look at the record - the bill containing the ACA started in the House

From the Senate record, the bill voted on on December 24, 2009 was HR 3590.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03590:

H.R.3590
Latest Title: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 9/17/2009) Cosponsors (40)
Related Bills: H.CON.RES.254, H.RES.1203, H.R.362, H.R.2358, H.R.3688, H.R.3780, H.R.4204, H.R.4872,
S.1239, S.1423, S.1728, S.1790, S.1857, S.1959, S.2964
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 111-148 [GPO: Text, PDF]
Note: H.R.4872 makes a number of health-related financing and revenue changes to this bill. Read together, this bill and the health care-related provisions of H.R.4872 are commonly referred to as the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
Jump to: Summary, Major Actions, All Actions, Titles, Cosponsors, Committees, Related Bill Details, Amendments
SUMMARY AS OF:
3/23/2010--Public Law. (There are 3 other summaries)
(This measure has not been amended since it was passed by the Senate on December 24, 2009. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

(There is far more detail in the above link.

Both the House and the Senate passed health care bills. When the Senate bill put its together, they took the already passed House bill that was sent to the Senate and passed the Reid amendment to the House bill 3590 - which was in the nature of a substitute. (ie this substituted the Senate bill for the House bill. This was done on Dec 23, 2009.) Look at the Reid Amendment on Dec 23 - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_111_1.htm

Then because the Senate amended the bill, two things could happen to get a unified bill and send it to the President. The most normal is that both sides select conferees and they produce a compromise bill that must then pass both the House and the Senate. The election of Scott Brown made this impossible or at least highly controversial (if they rushed it through with Kirk still voting because Brown was not yet seated.) The second option was for the House to pass the newly passed Senate bill without changing even a comma! This could then be sent to Obama for signature because one identical bill was passed by both houses.

To make things more complicated and to make some "corrections" to the main bill, a deal was made with the more liberal House that a second much smaller bill would then be passed that included some changes and a major education bill. That bill started in the House as an amendment to the budget bill. As it was on a budget bill AND it did not increase the deficit, it only needed 51 votes in the Senate. Here, it seems no one is questioning this side bill.

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Where were all the lawsuits when the GOP held up voting for Part D Medicare for

several hours to coerce people into voting?