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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:57 PM May 2014

BLM worker threatened on I-15 in southern Utah

NEPHI, Utah (AP) — The U.S. Bureau of Land Management is warning its workers in Utah to be on alert after two men threatened an agency wrangler on Interstate 15 about 90 miles south of Salt Lake City.

The BLM says the incident occurred on I-15 near Nephi about 11 a.m. Tuesday when two men wearing hoods pulled up alongside a marked BLM truck and held up a sign that read, "You need to die." KUTV-TV reports one of the suspects held what appeared to be a handgun.

The BLM worker slowed down and let the dark blue Dodge truck with an extended cab pass before exiting the interstate at Mills. He says he couldn't get a license plate number because it was covered in duct tape.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/55131204/ns/local_news-reno_nv/#.U2vFEHVdUrK

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BLM worker threatened on I-15 in southern Utah (Original Post) phantom power May 2014 OP
They will just get bolder until something is done liberal N proud May 2014 #1
yep phantom power May 2014 #2
Agreed. Letting it go on only encourages the crazies. hobbit709 May 2014 #3
That simple malaise May 2014 #5
5th Dimensional Chess Ned Flanders May 2014 #12
here's the lesson we're teaching Americans phantom power May 2014 #28
Sadly, I have to agree. City Lights May 2014 #33
cowardly gangsters hiding behind masks and guns leftyohiolib May 2014 #4
Kluk, kluk, kluk. Is this area close to the bundy ranch? jwirr May 2014 #6
Bunkerville is also along I-15 in NV, near the UT border phantom power May 2014 #7
It's a good 2naSalit May 2014 #8
Geographically? Not exactly Nevernose May 2014 #35
Thank you. More a common culture than distance. That helps to understand. jwirr May 2014 #36
You just knew this would happen. Wellstone ruled May 2014 #9
Emboldened? Yup. riqster May 2014 #10
The trick will be to put a stop to this without creating maryters........... wandy May 2014 #13
It seems likely (imo) that they'll be treated as martyrs if we put them in prison too. phantom power May 2014 #27
I don't think you are being too pessimistic............ wandy May 2014 #31
So how many BLM or other Government workers will die Exposethefrauds May 2014 #11
Rename the nearest exit Ft. Sumter. kairos12 May 2014 #14
Men with apparent weapons, wearing hoods, said "you need to die" FiveGoodMen May 2014 #15
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #16
Erm... we shouldn't advocate killing people. cyberswede May 2014 #17
do you mean should "not"? and good fingerwave. uppityperson May 2014 #18
oops - typo! Thanks! cyberswede May 2014 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #19
Your solution to police killing unarmed people is to kill other people instead? Oh. uppityperson May 2014 #23
... Kali May 2014 #20
I think I was adjudicating that post. Put it back. eom Blanks May 2014 #21
I didn't do it! Kali May 2014 #25
6-1? huh. uppityperson May 2014 #22
Hard not to disagree but ... aggiesal May 2014 #32
Can we call it Domestic Terrorism yet? Ikonoklast May 2014 #24
Only brown people and liberals can be terrorists phantom power May 2014 #30
But ... Benghazi. lpbk2713 May 2014 #26
mesmerising Fairgo May 2014 #34
 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
12. 5th Dimensional Chess
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:33 PM
May 2014

Now the BLM and associated LEO's are playing 5th Dimensional Chess, I guess, some master plan where justice will be served eventually. (NOT!)

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
28. here's the lesson we're teaching Americans
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:49 PM
May 2014

I found this while doing an image search for 'BLM standoff.' I'm not sure if it was generated by somebody sympathetic to Occupy, or to Bundy. It doesn't really matter, I think we're all in the same classroom.


2naSalit

(86,537 posts)
8. It's a good
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:23 PM
May 2014

2 to 3 hours north on I15 from bundyville. They must've got some gas money to go home to ID or MT.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
35. Geographically? Not exactly
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:22 PM
May 2014

Culturally, the two places are sharing a fence line.

Geographic distances in this part of the country are tricky, because the distances everywhere are vast. Clark County, NV, for instance -- which holds Las Vegas and Casa del Bundy -- is a tad bit smaller than Massachusetts. The rural areas across Utah and Southern/Eastern Nevada, and much of Northern Arizona, all sort of make up one geographical location, which, because of scale, appears to be much larger than it actually is.

But mostly it's the Mormon thing. No to my Mormon friends, most of whom are not batshit crazy, but know what I'm talking about when I describe elders prophesying.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. You just knew this would happen.
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:32 PM
May 2014

Just a matter of time and these two will be in custody. That stretch of I-15 has one of best Trooper's patrolling it,and if they were local's,their toast. You just don't piss off the Game Wardens. They will always find their threats to their personnel.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
13. The trick will be to put a stop to this without creating maryters...........
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:36 PM
May 2014

As nuts as these people are I wouldn't put it pas them for this to be a secondary objective.
They have already decided that women and children getting shot would be a good PR stunt.

The problem is that you are correct. Doing nothing simply empowers them. It encourages other fools to take actions outside of what should be expected in an advanced society.

No one should believe for a single moment that these terrorists will know when or where to stop.
It appears that the longer this goes on the less likely that there will be a peaceful solution.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
27. It seems likely (imo) that they'll be treated as martyrs if we put them in prison too.
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:44 PM
May 2014

The right answer is to put these thugs behind bars. Based on their behavior so far, I get the feeling that they aren't going to go quietly. Hopefully I'm being too pessimistic.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
31. I don't think you are being too pessimistic............
Thu May 8, 2014, 05:17 PM
May 2014

We are not dealing with a bunch of rowdy school boys here. Not only are they well armed, they appear to be well financed.
Worse is that unlike an inner city gang there are enough fools in the bleachers that they can muster some popular support.

There is allays irony. These would be the first people to carry on about "Muslin Teerists", still I have heard of no such group advocating sending in the women and children first.

As much as I would like to see a peaceful resolve a dark part of me says damn the martyrs, send in the armed drones before this comes to my neighborhood.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
11. So how many BLM or other Government workers will die
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:25 PM
May 2014

Before the Government does something about the GOP base?

As it stands now all one has to do is get a bunch of friends with guns together and you can do what ever you want!

Bundy and his supporters should all either be dead or in jail right now.

Response to phantom power (Original post)

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
17. Erm... we shouldn't advocate killing people.
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:14 PM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 8, 2014, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Even dangerous whackadoodles.

Response to cyberswede (Reply #17)

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
32. Hard not to disagree but ...
Thu May 8, 2014, 06:16 PM
May 2014

you know if there is any blood, the MSM will follow Faux News lead and blame
that good Irish president O'bama.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
30. Only brown people and liberals can be terrorists
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:54 PM
May 2014

Angry entitled white men are noble freedom fighters deserving of our respect...


lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
26. But ... Benghazi.
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:32 PM
May 2014



The RW Hatemonger media has branded any law enforcement as the bad
guys here so in these clowns' eyes it is entirely appropriate to use any
measures they want against them.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
34. mesmerising
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:01 PM
May 2014

I am just fascinated by this evolving social experiment. The research question seems to be, "Where is the boundary between democracy and posse comitatus?" As fearsome as it may be, there must be processes, first to enforce lawful behavior, and second to identify enemies of the legitimate state. These issues are conflated here, but they are different aspects of the same complex problem. In both cases the process and consequence must be clear and communicated...and I will concede diplomatic steps towards the appropriate end (for both issues). In the former, I see subpoenas. If subpeonas are denied, anyone standing in the way becomes a party to a crime. If they refuse the process with threats of group violence they become organized crime. If they spout insurrection, they become traitors and terrorists. There is a most peaceful way through the process, but there is no guarantee that peace will prevail. In the end, if they make the case that they are sovereign, they must be removed. Not swat, not paramilitary, but (and I hate to say this) military is tasked with removing enemy combatants...Because they have framed the issue in terms of undeclared civil war. Boundaries are set and conditions laid out. We do not negotiate with terrorists, we should exact submission from enemy forces acting within our borders. The perimeter contracts and until the very last square foot, they have the option to surrender peacefully. I am a pacifist within the luxury of a democratic state. But when an armed militia intercedes to superimpose its own government in any part of that democracy, the context for peace falls away for everyone but the martyrs.

As I said, I am fascinated to see how the country negotiates this small but existential challenge to its common weal.

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