Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:26 PM May 2014

Hearne police officer who killed 93-year-old woman was involved in previous shooting

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/updated-hearne-police-officer-who-killed--year-old-woman/article_ff5f6502-7d45-5db8-8174-0052f37361bb.html

snip-

Authorities are investigating the shooting of a 93-year-old woman by a Hearne police officer who was involved in the fatal shooting of a Hearne man in December 2012.

-snip

snip-

Robertson County District Attorney Coty Siegert said officer Stephen Stem, who has been with the Hearne Police Department for about two years, shot the woman on Pin Oak Street. Stem has been involved in at least one other shooting while on duty in Hearne, according to a Jan. 3, 2013, article in The Eagle: http://bit.ly/1kMJcnu.

-snip

snip-
In December 2012, Stem shot and killed Tederalle Satchell, 28, after responding to an apartment complex on a report of a white vehicle with three passengers that had been seen shooting near “a large group of people in the parking lot,” the Eagle reported.
Stem was cleared by a grand jury in May 2013 and returned to active-duty, according to the Robertson County News.

-snip



Here is another link to the previous murder: http://www.kwtx.com/news/local/headlines/Central-Texas-Officer-Involved-In-Deadly-Shooting-Placed-On-Paid-Leave--185439792.html
7 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Hearne police officer who killed 93-year-old woman was involved in previous shooting (Original Post) ScreamingMeemie May 2014 OP
Two years on the force, with two kills under his belt. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #1
Super disgusting. ScreamingMeemie May 2014 #2
neither of the incidents were murder TorchTheWitch May 2014 #3
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Sorry and with respect. ScreamingMeemie May 2014 #4
what does "couldn't be matched to Satchell" mean? TorchTheWitch May 2014 #7
From that second link you posted, raccoon May 2014 #5
"It's not right said Webster" damnedifIknow May 2014 #6

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
2. Super disgusting.
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:48 PM
May 2014

My father's girlfriend is from that area, and people were stunned when the grand jury cleared him on the first one. The man was well-known, mentally disabled and wasn't known to own a gun or hang around looking for trouble. It's open season up there.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
3. neither of the incidents were murder
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:20 PM
May 2014

The previous case:

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/updated-hearne-police-officer-who-killed--year-old-woman/article_ff5f6502-7d45-5db8-8174-0052f37361bb.html

In December 2012, Stem shot and killed Tederalle Satchell, 28, after responding to an apartment complex on a report of a white vehicle with three passengers that had been seen shooting near “a large group of people in the parking lot,” the Eagle reported.

Stem was cleared by a grand jury in May 2013 and returned to active-duty, according to the Robertson County News.

-----------

As for the 93 year old woman, even her own family said she was threatening with a gun...

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Hearne-PD-Officer-Involved-Shooting-leaves-Elderly-Woman-Injured-258213801.html

According to the Robertson County District Attorney's Office, police responded to a 911 call about 6:30 Tuesday evening about a lady waving a gun around, outside a home on Pin Oaks Street.

News 3 has learned the person who has called 911 is Pearlie Golden's nephew. A few days ago, the Texas Department of Public Safety refused to renew her driver’s license. The nephew was trying to take her keys away. Golden got upset, grabbed her gun and threatened him.

When Officer Stephen Stem arrived, he asked Golden to “put down the weapon and then ultimately fir(ed) his own sidearm, wounding Miss Golden.”

--------

This is what can happen in a country that allows access to guns by mentally challenged people who threaten people or even shoot at people with them. Good thing that this time those people didn't get the opportunity to kill anyone because an officer was there to stop them.

Interesting that DU is so passionate about people that have guns and threaten people with them or even shoot at them is such an outrage, those people accused of being "gun-humpers" and their guns described as "their precious" when not only should they never be allowed access to a gun but that guns should be entirely removed from the country but when it's a police officer that stops them by unfortunately having to shoot them when those "gun-humpers" are actually threatening people with them or even shooting at them suddenly it's the cop that was a "murderer" and those sweet innocent lambs threatening people with a gun or shooting at people with a gun are magically transformed to angelic status.

Good grief.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
4. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Sorry and with respect.
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:32 PM
May 2014

(without "Good griefs&quot

Tederalle Satchell was acquainted with my dad's gf's family. The gun located on the scene? Couldn't be matched to Satchell.

Sorry, but it was a murder by a man who is a bit too excitable to be working on the force.

Anyone can become an officer down here. Anyone...with minimal training.

A 93-year-old woman... 5 times...

I don't use language like "sweet innocent lambs," but I will defend this man and his family against gun-happy cops any day of the week. One does not have to be a "lamb" to stay alive.

Thank you.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
7. what does "couldn't be matched to Satchell" mean?
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:28 PM
May 2014

It wasn't registered to him? His fingerprints weren't on it? What? Where is the information that proves it "couldn't be matched to Satchell"?

A grand jury examined the case and found it to be a justifiable shooting. We don't know all the evidence in the case since we aren't privileged to know it. Let's not forget that grand juries only get the prosecution side of the argument which is why the common phrase that a grand jury will indict a "ham sandwich". Sorry, but I'm going with the grand jury's decision that it was a justifiable shooting since they certainly had a hell of a lot more actual evidence than you. I can see that because of your loose association with the person makes your interpretation biased.

So here's some facts:

Family member said he had just gotten out of prison after being incarcerated for two years:

http://www.theeagle.com/news/crime/article_f83d788a-55ab-501e-8a3a-328d8f818416.html
Tracy Nelson [his aunt] said Satchell was a mental health patient who suffered from mental retardation along with seizures. She also said that he had recently been released after spending two years in prison.

He was running from the police when he was shot:

http://www.kxxv.com/story/20477033/a-family-mourns-after-a-shooting-with-police-ends-in-a-son-dead
"Why did they have to shoot him in his head," Satchell said. "Why they didn't have to do that, only thing they had to do if they wanted to make him stop running, they just could have shot him in the leg or something."

Gun was seen being thrown away:

http://www.theeagle.com/news/crime/article_f83d788a-55ab-501e-8a3a-328d8f818416.html
Allison Bryant, a 21-year-old who lives at the apartment complex, said he was awake when the commotion began outside and he heard people yelling about a gun.

"I was walking around to my bedroom and I heard someone say, 'He has a gun,' and then I heard someone say, 'He threw a gun,'" Bryant said.

Gun found at the scene on the ground was discovered to have not belonged to any of the OFFICERS:

http://www.theeagle.com/news/crime/article_f83d788a-55ab-501e-8a3a-328d8f818416.html
After officers arrived, the statement said, they found a vehicle that matched the description, and an officer-involved shooting ensued. Afterward, a weapon was found at the scene that did not belong to any of the officers, according to the statement.

In searching for any information that the gun couldn't be matched to Satchell there's nothing. I believe you have misinterpreted the many articles that said the gun couldn't be matched to any of the officers at the scene thinking those articles said they couldn't be matched to Satchell.

The shots were witnessed to have come from the car Satchell was in. The gun was witnessed by someone that said he threw it away that was heard by another witness. He was running away from the police when he was shot.

If you can't see just from that scant amount of news information that he was justifiably shot after throwing away the gun he was witnessed to have been firing when he ran from police as a justifiable shooting along with the grand jury voting that it was justifiable then you have a bias problem.

As for the elderly woman threatening people with a gun when her own nephew tried to take away her car keys, who called the police because of that threat and that she didn't put down the gun when told to as being a justifiable threat, well, there's that bias again. What difference does it make how old a person is that is threatening people with a gun and refuses to drop it and is mentally unstable? How about if it was you she was threatening with that gun?

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
5. From that second link you posted,
Thu May 8, 2014, 05:12 PM
May 2014
“Even if she did have a gun, she is in her 90’s,” said Lawanda Cooke. “They could have shot in the air to scare her. Maybe she would have dropped it. I don’t see her shooting anyone.

Jeez louise, it doesn't matter how old she is, if she's waving a gun around I don't think "shooting in the air" would do any good.

And in the meantime, she might shoot somebody else.

ITA with what you said about a country that allows access to guns by mentally challenged people. She could very easily have killed somebody herself.



damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
6. "It's not right said Webster"
Thu May 8, 2014, 06:04 PM
May 2014

Andrew Washington lives nearby and has known Golden for 25 years. He said he was working in his yard when he heard about five gunshots.

"I didn't think much of it, because I was thinking it was on the other street," said Washington.

Washington said after the shots, he heard someone shout "Don't shoot her no more!"

Waymon Webster is all too familiar with the officer who, police said, shot and killed Golden, Officer Stephen Stem.

In December 2012, Stem fatally shot Waymon's cousin, Tederalle Satchell. Stem was eventually cleared by the grand jury.

"What are they going to do, let him go, so he can smile and hold another pistol? You know what I mean? It's not right," said Webster."

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Friends-Pearlie-Golden-was-Family-258381831.html

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Hearne police officer who...