In support of Glenn Greenwald

[MannyGoldstein]

Greenwald has risked much to get important information to us.

I really don't understand the incredible hatred for him, the need to spread half truths and interpret whatever he does in the worst possible way.

[ProSense]

1. It's

"I really don't understand the incredible hatred for him."

...criticism. You do if often enough to know what it is.


Glenn Greenwald: Asshole
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024928178

Tweet:



https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/464000039589646338

[Electric Monk]

6. This thread hit the Greatest Page in 5 minutes flat.

/just saying...

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked

(posted earlier by OnyxCollie, but it sure fits)

[ProSense]

8. Congratulations.

LOL!

[Egnever]

30. Party time!

[Bobbie Jo]

80. ROFL

[sabrina 1]

252. The truth always wins, in the end. I remember when I read about the planned smear campaign

against Glenn Greenwald who was just a blogger at the time. I found it frightening. That there were bids being made to Big Banks to smear a mere blogger. It was pretty chilling.

The exposure of the bid on Glenn Greenwald by HB Gary by Anonymous made many people realize just how dangerous it can be to tell the truth about those who have power in this country, even someone who known to only a small fraction of the population of this country.

But we were wrong again when we thought that once it was exposed, that would be the end of it.

At least for him. Instead we are seeing that either HB Gary eventually got that contract or someone else did.

I used to wonder about people who all said the same things about whoever the target of their hatred happened to be. Why couldn't they speak for themselves? Lol, I had not heard about paid for 'talking points' at that time.

But that's what we are seeing Re Greenwald. The same repetitive six or seven 'talking points' much like what was being proposed in HB Gary's bid on the contract to smear him.

Makes you wonder, how much does a Security Contractor get to think up those few talking points? You know, like 'Greenwald supported the Iraq War'? That one was obviously supposed to turn the Left against him. Pretty stupid, I hope they didn't much for that one. BECAUSE GREENWALD HIMSELF was where they got THAT from! And the Left of course ADMIRED HIM for not sticking to that support once he found out how much they were lying to us! He wrote about in his book, we ALL KNEW.

The standards don't seem to be very high for 'talking points'. Which is good for us since they don't seem to be working very well.

Another one 'Greenwald is a Libertarian, Republican, NOT from the LEFT! Lol, we judge THAT by what issues someone supports and whether they waver from those issues depending on the political climate.

Greenwald is most definitely LEFT, on almost every issue. So there goes another TALKING POINT. I really, really hope none of our tax dollars were used for those talking points. Greenwald btw, has clearly addressed all of them, all over the internet and now that he has such a large audience, partly due to the campaign against him, even MORE people know what is going on.

Why don't they just address the ISSUES he talks about? Why not PROVE HIM WRONG? Well, that was a rhetorical question, no need to answer, we KNOW the answer.

[MannyGoldstein]

254. Holy cow.

I read your post, did a search, and saw this:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110209/22340513034/leaked-hbgary-documents-show-plan-to-spread-wikileaks-propaganda-bofa-attack-glenn-greenwald.shtml

I didn't know about this. Wow.

Have you done an OP on it?

[sabrina 1]

255. No, but I've been thinking about it for a while. It was discussed here at the time.

It was stunning to have actual proof that this is what they do.

And sickening to see what they considered worth finding out about him. Clearly at the time, HB Gary didn't even know much about him which is obvious from some of their 'proposals'. Eg, most people knew Greenwald was gay, THEY were proposging 'looking up his family, check on his wife, his children, there they go to school, where the family goes to Church etc.' What they INTENDED to do with such information, smear the kids maybe? is hard to imagine.

But it shows that THEY knew nothing at all about him. Which means, a bid was OUT on him from BOA.

Imo, this should be ILLEGAL! It is dissemination propaganda to the American people which I always thought was against the law.

A few Democrats wanted an investigation into the Anonymous revelations, because they claimed there were potential violations regarding the FBI in what appeared to be helping with advice, on lawyers etc, BOA.

They set up a committee, but I have not heard anything about it since. I did write an OP about it at the time, but I believe that was on DU2. Not sure we can access those OPS anymore.

What we are watching right here on DU is enough to convince me that that contract on Greenwald was handed out to some Security Contractor, whether it ended up being HB Gary, or since they were so discredited (a Security Contractor totally hacked by Anonymous lol) or someone else. But the uniformity of the attacks, 'he's not a leftie' 'he supported the iraq war' 'he represented neo nazis' etc. ALL are repeated by multiple people across the internet over and over again.

If I wanted to discredit someone, I would set up to prove them WRONG. Clearly they cannot do that. But again, imo, this should be illegal. It silences people who might not have the courage, or the mostly clean background Greenwald has.

[MannyGoldstein]

256. It's uncanny

People need to know.

[sabrina 1]

258. Lol, some do know. Think about it, why do some people not just formulate their own thoughts

about someone they may not agree with? Why do they repeat and repeat things that are also being repeated by several others? And even worse, AFTER they have been corrected numerous times, why would they continue to use those same talking points? Do they KNOW they are repeating talking points? I would say some do, others just follow which is what smear campaigns count on.

I will write an OP, but only for those to whom the truth matters. Those spreading the smears already know what happened Greenwald and they probably support it.

[bvar22]

146. "The ability to ignore virtually ALL History...

...when advocating for The Next Western Intervention is as impressive as it is horrifying."

I agree.

[Vietnameravet]

203. "Horrorfying" to help kidnapped girls because that is "intervention"??

What happened to all that concern about freedom?

[Vattel]

2. He is a little prone to hyperbole, and I wish he were more careful in formulating his arguments,

but for a journalist he's a combination of Einstein and Gandhi.

[ProSense]

5. "but for a journalist he's a combination of Einstein and Gandhi."

[Electric Monk]

7. Do you read Pearls Before Swine? I suspect Stephan Pastis reads DU.

[Enthusiast]

63. +1!

[Union Scribe]

283. Love it.

Pearls is one of the only reasons I bother with the Sunday paper anymore. And perfectly applied here.

[Vattel]

10. Keep in mind that we are talking about journalists here.

Arguably a journalist with an IQ of 70 is practically a rocket surgeon relative to her peers.

[Gravitycollapse]

14. You forgot the sarcasm tag.

[Jackpine Radical]

227. What sarcasm?

[Spazito]

50. ROFLMAO!

You might want to add the smilie or someone might think you are serious!

[OilemFirchen]

52. I think he's got a point, actually.

Both are brain dead and wormy.

[Spazito]

66. LOL and very true!

From that perspective, you have a very good point.

[Whisp]

76. lol, I'd say more like a cross between Ron Paul and a large, angry Asshole.

[quinnox]

3. Great journalist, and the pulitzer was well deserved

and, I'll say it for the nth time (just because it has been a long time since I said it)- Snowden deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[LittleBlue]

11. +1

[zeemike]

56. +1 too.

and Greenwald deserved his award also.

[bvar22]

148. Winning that Pulitzer has driven the conservative authoritarians foaming-at-the-mouth nutzo.

NSA apologist Peter King calls Greenwald Pulitzer a “disgrace”

Today it was announced that the Guardian and Washington Post were being awarded a Pulitzer Prize for the reporting on NSA mass surveillance done by Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and Barton Gellman. Shortly after, NSA apologist Peter King, R-N.Y., took to Twitter to voice his displeasure:

"Awarding the Pulitzer to Snowden Enablers is a disgrace!!"

LOL

[randome]

149. Actually, he didn't win a Pulitzer. The Guardian did.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[bvar22]

155. Laughably, a distinction without a difference

That is tortured non-logic,
and I oppose torture.

[MannyGoldstein]

165. what did they win it for? nt

[randome]

170. For their reporting on the Snowden documents, duh!

Which I don't believe they deserved but that's just my opinion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[bvar22]

173. OK.

Are you now ready to cease the attacks on Snowden and Greenwald for "giving classified documents to foreign governments",
and place the responsibility on the staff of the Guardian who published those documents?

Can't have it both ways.

[randome]

180. I can have it any way I want.

And I don't see it as an 'attack' on either of these Libertarian douchebags because they're...Libertarian douchebags!

"I am not here to hide from justice." -Sorry, that's still my favorite Snowden quote.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[bvar22]

193. Only those who live in Fantasy Worlds...

...can have it any way they want it.

Good Luck with your latest smear campaign.
You are standing on the WRONG side of History and Democracy,
and there is no two ways about that.

[grasswire]

226. can have it any way they want it...

How is that different from Karl Rove's saying that the right makes their own reality?

Hmm.

[bvar22]

234. Actually ran across this quote in another thread.

[font]"It's a world-view which conflates desire with reality, disregards all facts and evidence that conflict with the decreed beliefs, and faithfully embraces any assertions and fantasies, no matter how baseless and flagrantly false, provided that they bolster the mythology."[/font]
---Glenn Greenwald

Described them perfectly.

[MannyGoldstein]

253. Despite rumors, Greenwald's not my fave.

But, damn, that does describe The Swarm perfectly.

Bam.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

271. "I can have it any way I want". Careful, Johnny, or you'll have to stay inside at recess.

They're cracking down on tantrums in class, you know.

[HangOnKids]

289. Whamo!

[treestar]

263. Who went nuts when Obama won the Nobel?

[Bobbie Jo]

273. The same folks

who are ate up with this libertarian douchebag.

Go figure.

[Number23]

278. NAAAAIILED IT!!!

Bobbie Jo, for the win

[Union Scribe]

284. I dunno, the families of dead, droned civilians? nt

[treestar]

298. That was considerably before drones had been made an issue

And you do not have a clue how those families think of anything whatsoever. You would think drones kill more civilians than terrorists. Any proof of that?

[840high]

160. ...

[sabrina 1]

270. I couldn't agree more, both deserve huge accolades for what they have done for this country.

[RobertEarl]

4. He sure has made an impression, eh?

Some people are VERY focused on him, much to their own denigration.

[Bobbie Jo]

81. Indeed.

This OP is a prime example.

[pa28]

9. Greenwald's detractors seem to have worked themselves into a frenzy.

He only digs harder in the face of criticism and that's a winning quality for a journalist.

[madfloridian]

18. Agreed

[L0oniX]

102. "detractors" or paid gov shills?

Attacking the messenger is the norm for them.

[bobduca]

111. Let's be honest...

Most are not paid, and post here for the endorphins. Killing debate and poisoning discourse is their only goal, and I'd venture most of the Greenwald Derangement Sufferers here are happy to volunteer. It clearly gives their life meaning.

[Zorra]

145. If it's not their day job, then how do they survive? How can they survive if all they do is post

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nothing but anti-democratic, authoritarian Military Industrial Complex loving Third Way corporatist drivel on various progressive websites every waking hour?

It might be some conservative patriotic obsession, I suppose; but again, they can't all be trust fund babies dedicated to preserving the status quo, and their own personal wealth at any and all cost of human misery and planetary destruction for profit.

Logically, the Global War/Profit Machine matrix of the Bankster/Plantation Class would have to employ large numbers of full time propagandists in order to confuse so many poorly informed people in their effort to advance the status quo agenda of infinitely increasing the polarization of wealth and power, in order to protect and preserve world oligarchy.

If a critical mass of people figured out what was really going on, there would be widespread revolution...

“Our strategy should be not only to confront empire, but to lay siege to it. To deprive it of oxygen. To shame it. To mock it. With our art, our music, our literature, our stubbornness, our joy, our brilliance, our sheer relentlessness – and our ability to tell our own stories. Stories that are different from the ones we’re being brainwashed to believe.

The corporate revolution will collapse if we refuse to buy what they are selling – their ideas, their version of history, their wars, their weapons, their notion of inevitability.

Remember this: We be many and they be few. They need us more than we need them.

Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.”

~ Arundhati Roy

[grasswire]

230. they do this for the endorphins?

If that's so, I recommend more sex to them. That could work.

[Bobbie Jo]

276. Your opening line is unintentionally hilarious

What's really interesting is how those screaming TROLL the loudest can be so profoundly lacking in the self-awareness department.

for good measure.

[bobduca]

294. BOG Loyalty Brigade shift leader Calls out a DU'er on a lack of self-awareness!

<---- Mr Roffle Waffles used correctly.

[Bobbie Jo]

303. Whooooosh

For the bonus round.....

Please find my last post in the BOG.


I'll wait here.

[840high]

162. I've often thought that.

[Scootaloo]

239. I would be upset if my government were paying for such shitty quality.

Nah, these people are volunteers.

[bobduca]

12. he was mean

to their boyfriend

[Luminous Animal]

13. Gee.Imagine thinking that a military solution is a horror based on of history

of military solutions.

[Vattel]

15. Ikr? And to tweet that instead of mentioning the victims. Unconscionable.

[OilemFirchen]

16. Gee. Imagine a military solution when none has been proposed.

Have fun with that.

[morningfog]

20. None has been proposed yet. And when it has been propsed, the defense of it will shift.

[OilemFirchen]

22. Will it be part of Chained CPI?

I have a doctor's appointment to make, so I'd like to plan ahead.

[morningfog]

26. Sorry. I was talking about Nigeria and Boko Haram.

Not sure what you doctor and chained cpi has to do with that. The US military is already involved with a small coordination and training force. And there have been explicit and implicit calls for US military intervention. No, there has not been a proposed expansion of the US military yet. It may not come and I hope it doesn't. But there is more than enough there for a journalist to sound the warning bells against it.

Wars have a way of marching themselves into inevitability. I am a believer in challenging military actions at every step, especially at the point before it has been officially proposed.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. I KNOW what he means and so do you....

you are not that obtuse...stop faking it...its not working.

[MannyGoldstein]

37. It means that we shouldn't worry, because Obama will fail at it?

Jeez, Louise!

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. Uh no...epic fail Manny...

you are just as lousy at obtuseness...

[OilemFirchen]

44. Curiously, he'll succeed.

You - you'll fail miserably in an attempt to mind bend that reality, or whatever you believe your juvenile parlor trick to be.

History is your guide.

[VanillaRhapsody]

99. He'll succeed? At what?

being a comedian? Uh no....he better keep his day job....History IS my guide!

[OilemFirchen]

206. ?

Anyway, I think Obama could do the comedy circuit. He has a wonderfully dry wit and sense of timing.

Manny? Jackie Mason's agent, maybe?

[VanillaRhapsody]

207. ? indeed....

[Number23]

279. Your posts are poetry.

Cutting. Beautifully written and so damn true it's no wonder I've become such a fan.

[OilemFirchen]

307. Thank you.

That's very kind.

[OilemFirchen]

39. Look, you're entitled to anticipate whatever horrors may befall you.

I think it's a bit inane to presume the worst, when there's absolutely no evidence nor, in fact, need for a U.S. military intervention. It isn't going to happen. But, again, that's your prerogative.

OTOH, it's reprehensible for a "journalist" to tweet nonsense about a nonexistent threat, while simultaneously showing no interest at all in the actual tragedy at hand. The wingnuts have pretty much cornered that market. Does the left (by Greenwald's perverted definition) need a Jerome Corsi? A Pat Buchanan? An R. Emmett Tyrrell?

I think not. You're free to eat his shit if you like the taste, but not all of us appreciate his cuisine.

[morningfog]

90. And you are free to ignore it. If and when the calls for military action come, I hope you oppose it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

100. there will not be military action....

unless you call sending in Seal Team 6 to be a "military action".

But who cares about a bunch of Black school girls right?

[cherokeeprogressive]

133. "unless you call sending in Seal Team 6 to be a "military action"

Comedy. Gold. Thanks for the laugh.

[VanillaRhapsody]

143. So what do YOU think we should do for those poor girls...

screw them....let them rot right?

Yeah that attitude is "comedy gold" alright...

As a Cherokee...one would think you would have more sympathy...THIS Cherokee does...

(by the way....do you also consider what Seal Team 6 did that saved the Captain kidnapped by pirates in Somalia to be a "military action"?)

[randome]

150. They probably had it comin' to 'em!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[VanillaRhapsody]

178. Yeah....those not "melanin challenged" in the world can just sink or swim...

[OilemFirchen]

205. I'm not a binarian.

If and when such calls for action come, I'll listen to the merits of the argument, consider the counterpoints, and then determine my opinion on the matter. I know it's not fashionable, and I've probably lost some cred, but I'll weather the consequences.

[morningfog]

219. In other words you will eat what you are spoonfed, lol.

[OilemFirchen]

220. Pitiful. (n/t)

[morningfog]

245. I totally agree.

[LanternWaste]

103. Much as had happened in Syria.

Much as had happened in Syria.

[morningfog]

140. The opposition by the people in the US and UK stopped that.

Thankfully.

[Scootaloo]

240. But, it should be noted, NOT the opposition from people now bitching about Snowwald...

'Cause there wasn't any.

They were gung-ho fpr it because the president wanted it therefore it was good and if you were against bombing Syria you hated the president and loved Assad just like you love Snowden and Putin and we have to send Iran a message and you can't let the terrorists win!

[morningfog]

244. Oh yes. The same crowd who vehemently defend a position, until Obama's changes his.

[treestar]

264. Are you going to oppose it?

That will be tough to do without seeming heartless.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. We're sending military personnel, but Nigeria hasn't accepted our offer to do so

http://time.com/89665/boko-haram-nigeria-girls/

Sounds like a wonderful plan.

[OilemFirchen]

25. Skeery!

Obama said the Nigerian government has accepted technical assistance from U.S. military and law enforcement officials.
...

The technical experts, including a team to be put together by the U.S. Embassy in Abuja, the Nigerian capital, will include U.S. military and law enforcement personnel skilled in intelligence, investigations, hostage negotiating, information sharing and victim assistance, as well as officials with expertise in other areas, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

The U.S. was not considering sending armed forces, Carney noted.

Obama: US to help Nigeria find kidnapped girls

[msanthrope]

108. Our military is already there, Manny...we train their armed forces through AFRICOM. I am

surprised you did not know this.

Of course, the issue is not the use of our military in Nigeria, but Cameroon. Perusing a map will tell you why.

[Luminous Animal]

64. The article he commented on did mention a military solution.

[Chathamization]

169. Yes, but Greenwald had no right commenting on that article! ...or...something... N/T

[Marr]

142. Odd then, that Wonkette's response offered nothing but a defense of military intervention. /nt

[madfloridian]

17. I agree. Recommended. The lack of acceptance of those who criticize policy...

of this administration in any area is getting out of control.

[MannyGoldstein]

21. It's a small group that accounts for many, many posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024855125

Asymmetrical warfare of some sort.

[OilemFirchen]

27. 148 now!

Good job!

Is it too late to add "slightly weepy, but hopefully optimistic"?

[bvar22]

191. a small group that acounts for many, many posts:

The goal is not to convince anyone of anything.

It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.

It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.

The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points.

woo me with science Sun Jul 28, 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

Sums it up well.
Thanks, Woo.

[Drunken Irishman]

47. Has Greenwald said anything positive about Obama?

I doubt it. What's the difference between him and the right-wing who harp on everything Obama does? Greenwald is so militant in his Obama hatred that it leads him to adopt crazy policies and strange bedfellows. Fuck him.

[madfloridian]

53. He is equally critical of other parts of the government

not just Obama. That's what a journalist does.

[Drunken Irishman]

55. He is not.

And no, that is not what journalism is. Journalism isn't about being negative 100% of the time toward one person. If that's what you believe, you must consider FOX News journalists.

[madfloridian]

69. You are pretty close to being insulting to me.

I really don't like it.

[Drunken Irishman]

72. Well I'm insulted by the Greenwald shit posted daily...

The absolute contempt some on the supposed left have for the President rivals that of the right. It's disgusting. Greenwald is a piece of shit bigot who will manipulate any hater for his own good. Maybe he can promote some more racist anti-government hate groups?

[joshcryer]

78. I'd be fine if it was a left critique.

But it's clearly a left-critique from the right.

[bvar22]

171. So facts don't matter to you?

The only thing that matters is which direction YOU determine the criticism is coming from?

WOW. THAT explains a LOT.

[nenagh]

86. I want to apologize, madfloridian, for never taking part in DU Jury Duty...

because the voting would have been different...

In avoiding conflict, I am being negligent regarding the purpose of the DU jury, I see that now.

[madfloridian]

185. I did not alert. Want to make that clear. Didn't like the post, but didn't alert.

Thanks for the hugs anyway.

[nenagh]

199. Oh no, I didn't think you alerted on the post...

not at all.. take care...

[joshcryer]

77. Results of your Jury Service

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Fri May 9, 2014, 05:11 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

He is not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4928693

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 9, 2014, 05:25 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ?????
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: Worst alert ever.
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WTF.

[Bobbie Jo]

82. Good grief.

[msanthrope]

109. Interesting, no? nt

[Bobbie Jo]

121. Quite

The verdict was pretty close to unanimous.

[msanthrope]

124. Take a gander at the message from the alerter. nt

[madfloridian]

147. I did NOT alert. Make that clear.

The vitriol toward journalists who are too critical of Obama and his policies is not something an alert is going to solve.

It goes to deeper problems that can only be solved by those in charge or by those of us who post putting on armor.

[bvar22]

174. X a million.

Thanks, mad.

[madfloridian]

190. It seems to me trying to make it look like I did.

I have only alerted twice that I know of in the past at DU3. I probably won't ever do it again.

[bvar22]

194. Alerts SHOULD be transparent.

I have never submitted an Alert that I would not be willing to sign my name to,
or made a comment on Jury Duty that I would not sign my name to.

Alerts SHOULD be made transparent.
That would end the game playing.

At one time, that was going to be a feature of the new DU3:


AS it stands, Alerts and Jury decisions are a sad joke.
Like one of the posters above stated,
it is such a joke, that I don't take it seriously,
and that enablers those with the authoritarian streak to game the system.

Not a scientific approach,
but there DOES appear to be more of them on DU during Work Hours,
so daytime alerts seem to favor the smaller minority.

[madfloridian]

182. Is that YOUR alert? Sent by you? I did not alert on the post.

I had no intention of doing so. It makes it look like I alerted. I would like to correct that please.

[joshcryer]

214. I was juror #4.

It was one of those late night weird alerts.

[treestar]

266. Exactly, Glenn is an opinion columnist not a journalist.

And Editorial writer.

[zeemike]

59. Correction, that is what they are supposed to do.

But most of the MSM just wright down the talking points and print it.
That is why we need Greenwald and those like him.

[bvar22]

159. Watch Dog Journalism necessitates an Adversarial Relationship with those in Power.

The health of our Democracy depends on it.

There was a time when everybody knew that,
but America has been dumbed down.

[treestar]

265. I have a feeling that is why they like Glenn

He is relentlessly negative. Like they are about almost everything.

[morningfog]

19. It is obvious why. US military force is very much on the Nigerian table.

There is likely going to be a US military action in Nigeria in the not-too-distant future. Greenwald is sounding the warning bells now. And, any dissent needs to be snuffed out early. There is a campaign and a frame that does not like to be threatened.

[OilemFirchen]

24. Say...

What, exactly, has Greenwald "missed"? A lunch date? The last episode of Friends?

[MannyGoldstein]

34. Yow?

[OilemFirchen]

41. How many pinheads...

can dance on your rapier wit?

[MannyGoldstein]

46. How many chucks could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck

could be sensible?

[OilemFirchen]

51. So a four-year-old Tom Tomorrow cartoon...

in which he failed to predict the future is your retort?

Answer: Every pinhead.

[KittyWampus]

28. You and your buddies seem more interested in supporting Greenwald than in the welfare of the girls.

Why is that?

[MannyGoldstein]

31. As you know, it's because we're ratfuckers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2453634

Right?

[KittyWampus]

36. So you admit it? Interesting. Also interesting you don't care enough about the girls

to start threads about that topic.

We all have our priorities.

[MannyGoldstein]

42. It's my white male privilege

as well as my ratfucking, of course.

Either that, or I felt that there were plenty of threads that covered the topic at least as well as I could.

But probably the ratfucking.

[Dragonfli]

57. OT but: I don't know Manny, I tried copulating with the Rattus Norvegicus that came in the mail

with the manual we were all sent by the head office, but I think I am doing it wrong because I just couldn't get it to fit anywhere and the creature did not appear to enjoy the attempt at all.



As a Captain of the Bavarian Illuminati and head of the office of creative guerrilla ontology could you offer some advice on how to accomplish the feat and thus foil Kitty's attempts to unmask us as the alien invaders in league with Paul and the suburban shaved yetis that she discovered we are. She appears to be getting very close to having the proof she needs and I don't want to be sent back to the home planet (I have grown too fond of this earth delicacy called "popcorn&quot .

[L0oniX]

104. LOL ...quit playing with the kitty.

[frylock]

196. you admit it! kitty trapped you like a ratfucker!!

BURN HIM!!!!!

[L0oniX]

106. The white ones with the pink ears really turn me on.

[m-lekktor]

68. oh please, as if all this greenwald hysteria tonight is over the "welfare of the girls".

it's obvious why so many of you latched onto the disingenuous wonkette framing of that one sentence tweet from greenwald.

[treestar]

267. +2

Glenn made a big mistake here. He immediately used the story to go to his favorite topic.

[SidDithers]

29. Fuck Greenwald. Wonkette got it right...nt

Sid

[stevil]

32. He is amazing!

The most amazing person ever. Broke all of the stories. We never knew anything before.



Now release the rest, without reservations.

That won't happen. And there you are.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. He helped Snowden embarrass Obama. It's kinda like booing the home team.

Tsk. Tsk.

[nikto]

60. Physics answers the question empirically for his critics...

Greenwald FqBx"/y'=q⎡⎣⎢x∧VxB t)y∧VyBy(t)z∧VzBz(t)⎤⎦⎥=q(VyBz(t)− Snowden/Bv'+VzBy(t))x∧−q(VxBz(t)−VzB t))y∧+q(VxBy(t)−VyB t))z∧Hitler/Vzx¨+Fq'=a(y˙Bz(t)−z˙By(t))/ y¨=a(x˙Bz(t)−z˙B t))/Bf"+z¨=a(x˙By(t)−y˙B t))

Translation:

Greenwald is 87 Billion times worse than Hitler
at the speed of light

[rhett o rick]

38. Some here have little else to discuss. nm

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Like Manny just did?

Oh that's right its only the ones that are written by critics that you object to....check!

[rhett o rick]

48. I mean the ones that dont post in threads of important issues like fracking, the TPP, indefinite

detention, net neutrality, cuts to SS, bringing Wall Street under control, drone kills, etc. It's like there is a coordinated boycott.

But post a hate thread about Greenwald, Snowden, Manning, Assange, wikileaks, OWS, Michael Hastings, and swarm city.

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. Yeah right......

hahahahahahaha sure...hahahahaha whoopsie huh?

[arely staircase]

45. I am happy for you nt

[Drunken Irishman]

49. Greenwald only cares about Greenwald...

If he had any iota of sense, he wouldn't have peddled Bush Lies when it came to Iraq. He has zero credibility on any international issue. He's a hack. He's a bigot and the fact his viewpoint is tolerated here shows just how deeply crazy DU has become. He's Rand Paul without the religion.

[Bjorn Against]

141. He never peddled Bush lies on Iraq

I challenge you to link to a single piece of his defending Bush on Iraq, you won't be able to because every single piece he has written on Iraq has been extremely critical of the war.

[uponit7771]

158. Strawman, he supported Bush's iraq policie "at first" and racist end on immigration "at first"...

...and in neither instances was there a change of mind on the facts

Fuck Greenwald

racist and stupid

[Bjorn Against]

167. There is no strawman in what I said

The person I responded to falsely claimed that Greenwald peddled Bush's lies about Iraq, I correctly pointed out that Greenwald never made a single public statement in support of the war. He may have believed Bush's lies at one time, but he most certainly did not peddle those lies.

[uponit7771]

172. GG gave support even if they weren't public, I get your point though

[Bjorn Against]

175. No, he really did not give support

In order to give support you need to either do or say something supportive, quietly holding an opinion but not saying anything is really not giving anything.

[uponit7771]

225. ummm, yeah.... his silence on the matter was bad enough... spoke just as loud as

... screaming while protesting with a sign imho

[bvar22]

164. "peddled Bush Lies when it came to Iraq"

He agreed 100% with Hillary.
Was she peddling "Bush Lies when it came to Iraq" too?

[Bjorn Against]

168. Yes, Hillary did peddle Bush's lies but Greenwald did not

Hillary actually did publicly support Bush's war and she voted for it. Greenwald only privately supported it but he never publicly came out in favor of the war, he only spoke out on the war after he turned against it.

[madfloridian]

166. Get your facts straight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024692240

[Luminous Animal]

187. He didn't peddle anything. At the time, he didn't have a blog, he didn't publish, he

wasn't reporting. He had no national or even local platform. He was a lawyer in private practice.

Now Ms Clinton, who supported the Iraq war and never regretted had both a high profile national platform and a vote.

Using your logic, she has zero credibility on any international issue.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

272. Name a Bush lie that Greenwald peddled. You can't.

Making shit up because you want to believe it may be a great internal pastime for you, but it doesn't fly in an adult discussion. Let's see your links to support your unsupportable assertion.

Yeah, I thought so.

[moondust]

54. Never really cared for him.

Long before Snowy showed up I didn't care much for Greenwald's unrealistic sort of "hammer journalism--nail everything." Always thought Jeremy Scahill was similarly inclined, which to my surprise was confirmed when the two of them joined forces to start their own media company.

YMMV

[nikto]

260. Why isn't "hammer journalism" appropriate...

In a Hammer Society?

[vlakitti]

58. Mr. Goldstein seems to have tapped into

a huge vein of Greenwald Derangement Syndrome here.

Actually Greenwald and his journalist coterie are at the top of their profession. Major peer prizes this past month, easily available via Google. And he's NOT Mr. Nixon or Mr. Paul or whatnot.

Grow the fud up.

[nikto]

61. Klaatu weighs-in...

"Glenn Greenwald will reduce your Earth to a burned-out cinder".

[Obnoxious_One]

62. I love the Intercept, best western publication for the truth.

Of course there are other great organizations like Democracy Now, and Truth-Out.

[nikto]

65. No less an authority than...

...HE says:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CR6XDMTjaYA/UEN6jSZUsyI/AAAAAAAAAro/Trna0LhcLvQ/s1600/cloud+Jesus+reaching.jpg

"I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way,
you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight
to both the evil and the good, except for at least one guy who doesn't get squat---Glenn Greenwald, who is a real
SOB, and I know for a fact my dad can't stand him. And don't even ask me about that little snot Snowden".











Well that about seals it, wouldn't ya' say?

[nikto]

67. This proves...

If you support Greenwald/Snowden, you are going against God.

[MannyGoldstein]

79. You are awesome in the eyes of the LORD.

[pam4water]

70. Another case of "kill the messenger". K&R

[Bobbie Jo]

83. Your "messenger" has issues. nt

[Obnoxious_One]

71. Are you a communist Manny?

I mean you must be, how can you not hate Greenwald.
You're either with us or against us.
The only people that don't hate Greenwald are people that have something to hide. I hope that the NSA pays them a visit soon so that we can all be safer from terrorist.

[MFM008]

73. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

on him and every thing about him.

[Jesus Malverde]

74. Ever since he sold his cache, to Omidyar he's been a little quiet.

Maybe we have to wait for his book.

Which will come after the Hayden-Greenwald follies.

[Whisp]

75. Here's a cuppa for Glenn's kind heart and humanity:

[JoePhilly]

84. Why did Greenwald release information unrelated to Domestic Surveillance?

Let's say we ignore he recent idiotic tweet.

And let's set aside the awesome info about domestic subservience he released, its awesome.

What's his goal in releasing other all of the other information about how the United States conducts surveillance on other countries as part of our national security efforts?

What separates THOSE leaks from say Cheney et al. leaking Valerie Blame's identify?

Or are we setting that aside too?

[Jesus Malverde]

96. I hope we're tapping merkels phone.

It what the NSA is for, surveilling americans is what they are not.

Good observation.

[JoePhilly]

107. Its a point many seem to over look.

Let's say Snowden is a whistle blower on Domestic Surveillance. Fine. Let the planning for the parade commence.

But before we hold the actual parade ... as a "whistle-blower", what was Snowden's intent in (a) taking lots of information unrelated to Domestic Surveillance, and then (b) leaking it.

Why did he do that?

Conspiracy Theory:

Let's say you are a foreign government and you want to steal information about US foreign intelligence activities. You want to know their approaches, methods, and even actual information.

And naturally, you don't want to get caught.

What if you could get someone inside to steal lots of THAT foreign surveillance information, along with other information (most of it already known) about US Domestic Surveillance efforts.

Then, you leak the Domestic Surveillance stuff as if THAT was the primary goal of stealing the bulk of information.

You, the foregn government, get all kinds of excellent info about how the US performs foreign surveillance, AND you avoid getting caught doing so. You get away clean. Snowden takes the fall.

Meanwhile, the US has to deal with the leaked info on Domestic Surveillance.

I've yet to have anyone who supports Snowden and Greenwald explain why they took, released, and continue to release, info unrelated to domestic surveillance.

[Jesus Malverde]

110. Here's some alternate CT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11357214

Note Feinstein is all up in arms about the CIA and is a huge NSA defender.

[JoePhilly]

114. I think that version is a little too complicated ...

... the big problem with it is that most Americans can't distinguish NSA from CIA from FBI from ATF.

And the associated risk is that the uproar about the NSA would spill over into the other groups, taking away mechanisms that they also use. The groups compete, but if that competition gets out of hand, the unintended consequences could come right back at you.

Additionally, you don't want Snowden in the hands of some foreign entity. So, unless the CIA is working through the Russian government to manage Snowden, its hard to see why they'd let him go there and stay alive.

[Jesus Malverde]

119. Lets watch how the battles play out.

The institutions are quite different and just as the NSA is watching us, they are also watching the CIA.

[JoePhilly]

123. I'm just waiting for the Snowden / Greenwald supporters to try and explain it.

[Jesus Malverde]

125. Greenwald and Snowden might not be on the same team.

The promised revelations through the intercept, not delivered. His unferretered access back to the united states. His debate with Hayden all suspect.

[JoePhilly]

126. That may very well be true.

Only one of them seems to be benefiting from this situation.

[Jesus Malverde]

127. Cha ching $$$$$$$ ...nt

[Luminous Animal]

195. It quite simple, US citizens are not the only people in the world who have the right to

privacy and this is affirmed by the UN.

Snowden and Greenwald have revealed that entire nations have been put under surveillance. Their entire citizenry which, of course, contains millions of innocents. That is fucked up.

Also, much of what has been revealed is info that we share with our 5 eyes partners. Lovely way to side-step the constitution. Wanna spy on US citizens without a warrant? Just have England, or Australia, or Canada do it.

I think all the reporting has been very careful explaining the what without revealing technical details and naming names.

[JoePhilly]

200. They leaked how we spy on FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.

Their leaks go well beyond domestic surveillance. Which is what some claim should give Snowden "whistle blower" status.

The leaks regarding anything outside the US, provide no such cover.

They also leaked how we collect intelligence on foreign governments ... are you suggesting that the US government give them a PASS for that?

Greenwald has continued to threaten additional leaks of this nature. Like this ...

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro with the Argentinean daily La Nacion.

The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."

Why did they take and then leak that kind of information? Why this kind of threat?

How is leaking such information different from leaking Plame's identity?

Or is your claim that all of this is perfectly fine?

[Luminous Animal]

202. Indeed. Our allies. It would be peach if Merkel has access Obama's cell phone.

[JoePhilly]

210. You don't think the NSA shares info

with those allies???

Please ... those allies LOVE the info we share with them. That's why their "outrage" is rather mutted.

Are you so naive as to think those allies don't ACTIVELY spy on us too?

Cheney et al. leaking Plames name was peachy I guess.

[woo me with science]

85. +10000 The government smear machine is on the case.

The 24/7 smear messaging and propaganda just expose how manipulative and corrupt this government has become in defense of its abuse of the public trust.

Kick for Greenwald and real journalism exposing real government abuses.

[Progressive dog]

87. Wonkette went too light on

Glen.

[randome]

88. Most don't see the stolen Snowden documents as all that important.

It's really not that complicated. Greenwald wants us to believe they're important. He keeps trying to sell us that idea. He has an agenda.

But he can't hide who he is: a narcissistic Libertarian who dreams of being a superhero. The mockery is deserved. 'Hatred' may apply for a few posters but the majority, I think, simply see him as all hat and no cattle.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Sometimes it seems like the only purpose in life is to keep your car from touching another's.[/center][/font][hr]

[DisgustipatedinCA]

92. Pulitzer, baby!

The committee has spoken.

[randome]

93. Obama won a Nobel and I don't see that as deserved, either.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]

[DisgustipatedinCA]

94. Super!

[bigtree]

89. recommended

[DisgustipatedinCA]

91. Don't worry about the hatred from the caterwaulers.

He just won a Pulitzer for his work. It makes authoritarian crybabies angry. Too bad.

[msanthrope]

105. He did not win a Pulitzer. The Guardian did. Mr. Greenwald now heads another media concern. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

113. He won a Pulitzer. The Guardian and the Washington Post won Pulitzers.

It wouldn't have happened without Greenwald, Poitras, and Gellman. It's not up for debate, unless you want to argue that the Guardian's Home & Garden section won the award.

[msanthrope]

115. Thank you for making my point...he did not win it. The Guardian, and the WaPo did.

Nor will he be accepting for either organization. The editors will.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

117. It burns, doesn't it? Pulitzer, baby!

Have a wonderful day.

[msanthrope]

122. Judith Miller got one, too. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

130. "too": in addition; also. Thank you.

[msanthrope]

132. Not quite. Your suggestion that the Pulitzer has the meaning you attribute to it

was what I was responding to.

Tell me....how important do you think an award is, when the likes of Judith Miller and Maureen Dowd can win it??

[DisgustipatedinCA]

135. It's exactly important enough to make people like you wail and gnash teeth.

Pulitzer. It's a big fucking deal.

[msanthrope]

138. Lordy...now you're quoting Joe Biden? Look, if you want to believe he won

a Pulitzer, go right ahead.

[bvar22]

184. Winning the Pulitzer has driven them Reality Denying nutzo.

I've seen this before:


I guess for some, foaming at the mouth denial
is better than admitting they are standing on the WRONG side of history and democracy.

Congrats to Snowden and Greenwald for winning a Pulitzer!!!

[WillyT]

95. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[lostincalifornia]

101. greenwald didn't risk zip. Snowden on the other hand it can be argued did

[JoePhilly]

128. See sub thread starting at post #84

What information was taken?

What information was leaked?

Who benefits?

[uponit7771]

161. Yeap, and now that GG gots his he doesn't want to be bothered

[MannyGoldstein]

212. Wasn't his boyfriend detained under suspicion of terrorism?

Fortunately, that was the end of it.

[lostincalifornia]

250. Greenwald didn't take any risk , his partner did by carrying sensitive material for GG

[MannyGoldstein]

259. It wasn't sensitive information

It had already been revealed to the press.

[Smarmie Doofus]

112. It's really pretty simple:

>>I really don't understand the incredible hatred for him, the need to spread half truths and interpret whatever he does in the worst possible way.>>>

1. He's smarter than 99.5 % of the general population. (No one likes a smart aleck.)

2. He's gay. That becomes relevant... psychologically.... when one hasn't learned one's place.

3. He's politically inconvenient. ( Popping a lot of cherished balloons and "clasting" a few cherished icons.)

4. He turns out to be infuriatingly right about just about everything.

[KG]

116. why couldn't he have tweeted a selfie of himself hold up a supportive sign?

from what i can tell on DU, that's almost as good as going there and looking for the girls personally...

[bobduca]

120. #Bringbackourgirls

The hosts from "The Talk" TV show posted to twitter a shot of them holding up specially printed signs with the hashtag.

I noted that several clueless fans assumed that the show was up for cancellation and retweeted the post in support for the morning talk show. "Save the Talk" etc.

#activism

[frylock]

197. #slacktivism

[bobduca]

204. agreed

my post was also missing the #sarcasm hashtag, re: #activism.

[Capt. Obvious]

152. It's like our GOTV efforts here

which involve posting GOTV over and over on a website where 99% of American members are already guaranteed to vote for the D.

GOTV!

[Luminous Animal]

201. Teju Cole has a great twitter timeline up about that...

https://twitter.com/tejucole/timelines/462974573135536128

Teju Cole ‏@tejucole May 8
Remember: #bringbackourgirls, a vital moment for Nigerian democracy, is not the same as #bringbackourgirls, a wave of global sentimentality.

Teju Cole ‏@tejucole May 7
For four years, Nigerians have tried to understand these homicidal monsters. Your new interest (thanks) simplifies nothing, solves nothing.

Teju Cole ‏@tejucole May 7
Boko Haram killed more human beings yesterday than the total number of girls they kidnapped three weeks ago. Horrifying, and unhashtagable.

Teju Cole ‏@tejucole May 6
We have imagination. Yes, life is difficult, but we can imagine a future that isn't dictated by the U.S. agenda for a Global War on Terror.

And much more.

[MohRokTah]

118. .

[Ichingcarpenter]

129. So does Michael Moore, Bill Moyers and Rachel

As do I

[Puglover]

134. The most fascinating thing about

Glenn Greenwald is how he inspires some posters at DU to author post after post, and some OP after OP dripping with bile. ALL fucking day long.

There are plenty of people I dislike. Ted Cruz,Yurtle,Bachmann, the list is long.

I wouldn't spend 5 minutes of my time screeching to the internets about it.

What a weird hobby. Christ, go take a walk.

[GliderGuider]

181. +1

[grasswire]

235. my new recommendation: get more sex

Endorphins=better frame of mind.

[deurbano]

246. I don't get it, either...

[Luminous Animal]

198. That was a great book tour. I hope he comes to the Bay Area with the release of his new one.

[vi5]

131. But he was mean to President Obama!!

Among many on here that is the worst since one can commit. This place has become the same cult of personality slavishly devoted more to a figurehead than to actual ideas as Free Republic was during the Bush years.

[randome]

136. That has nothing to do with his being an asshole.

He can't hide who he really is. And when an asshole keeps trying to sell us a bill of goods, it's mandatory to call him out for what he is.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[grasswire]

236. hmmmm

can't take your advice on that here on DU. Or I would.

[HangOnKids]

288. Splendid!

[PeaceNikki]

137. He's an isolationist progressive libertarian. Libertarians (besides being obviously batshit crazy)

are rabidly, fiercely isolationist.

[Marr]

139. Partisan hacks hate him.

If he'd written the same articles during a Republican administration, the same people who currently make a career out of despising him would be gushing over him and demanding that Congress act on the abuses he's helped to highlight.

These sorts only have one moral rule: the party is right. They're the same sort of buffoons we used to laugh at and label "Bushbots"-- they just happen to be mindlessly barking for a different team.

[PeaceNikki]

144. Remember when Glenn Greenwald told progressives how Ron Paul was such a standup guy?

http://www.timwise.org/2012/01/of-broken-clocks-presidential-candidates-and-the-confusion-of-certain-white-liberals/

Or his views on immigration? http://rootedcosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/glenn-greenwald-neither-a-liberal-nor-a-progressive/

Oh yeah, and remember that time Glenn Greenwald defended a white supremacist murderer and illegally taped the man's victims?? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002101211

Real liberals don't like him, either.

Batshit Libertarians (I know, redundant) love him!

[Marr]

177. At the current time, Greenwald's most prominent detractors are Democratic Party partisan hacks.

At present, he's being mostly maligned for his work on domestic spying. That's certainly what's fueling the interest in his recent tweet.

[PeaceNikki]

179. hog. wash.

[Marr]

188. Compelling argument. /nt

[PeaceNikki]

189. tit for tat.

[Hissyspit]

218. - I don't remember that because he didn't do that.

- He has completely recanted that immigration post. Should I not "like" that he has changed his views on that?

- White supremacists aren't allowed lawyers? Really?

-"Real Liberals." I'm a real Liberal, and I "like" him o.k. most of the time. Are you going to tell me I'm not a real Liberal? That would be REALLY silly.

- I'm aware of a number of batshit Libertarians who don't "like" him.

[PeaceNikki]

222. -Yes, he did. And strongly supported Gary Johnson as well

-He never recanted, he simple said "it's in the past"

-Pro bono, even?

-I don't know you well enough to gauge

-Cool story, bro. I know plenty who do.

[Hissyspit]

223. You don't know me well enough.

I've been here for a fucking decade.

[PeaceNikki]

224. I'm sorry, I don't keep notes on you.

Or anyone here. Sorry!!

[DCBob]

151. I dont think anyone hates him.. its more the feeling one has for a shady used car salesman.

[randome]

154. Does this encapsulate that type of feeling?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[DCBob]

156. Pretty close!

[uponit7771]

163. .. that's a racist asshole.

[840high]

157. k/r

[tridim]

176. You probably like him because he's just like you.

I don't like him because he's just like you.

[randome]

208. Nicely put!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Hissyspit]

217. Hunh?

It was nothing but a personal attack.

Thanks for helping lower the standards.

[randome]

231. Well, it was a good use of antipodean verbiage.

I appreciate good word play.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[MohRokTah]

211. .

[MannyGoldstein]

213. Such hatred.

Peace to you.

[tridim]

216. I don't hate you Manny.

I don't hate anyone.

Sorry to disappoint.

[Hissyspit]

232. "Good"

That's highly subjective.

[GliderGuider]

183. The degree of vitriol never ceases to amuse/amaze me. Thanks everyone!

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And thanks to you Manny, for facilitating this popcorn-fest. May you burn out their adrenal glands.

From the other GG.

[Puzzledtraveller]

192. He's making their heart throb look bad

and for that he must diiiiieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

That's the only explanation I have.

K&R for GG

[ProSense]

215. "In support of Glenn Greenwald"

Stand with Glenn?

Again: Greenwald is not the left.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024931733

[JohnnyRingo]

221. I neither care for nor trust him.

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There are two kinds of people as I see it, those who may disagree with him, and those who promote his better interests... like Glenn Greenwald. He reminds me of a graduate of the Glenn Beck School of Conspiracy Panic.

I know opinions are divided and heated on this, but I'll never believe Greenwald is a patron saint of the common man who puts the interests of others before his personal benefit, and I've seen a lot of evidence that bears that out. I just don't make weekly posts to raise the ire or cheers of DUers about it.

I'm sure many would disagree with me, and I can respect that difference of view, but I'm not buying the trademarked bulk outrage that you're selling for him.

[Union Scribe]

285. I totally get what you're saying

as there's no one in media that I would ever blanket defend, let alone take their word unconditionally, no matter what. But I'd add to your last line that I don't buy the outrage against him, either. This current tweet flap, for example.

[Jackpine Radical]

228. Goddammit Manny.

Tip me off when you're gonna do one of these so I can get the popcorn concession.

[MannyGoldstein]

238. I wish I knew in advance.

In retrospect, it's always obvious, but I have poor impulse control so I don't think it through in advance - I just post nonsense and stuff happens.

[Jackpine Radical]

243. You post "In Support of GG"

and claim you don't know what's gonna happen?

Jeez, just let me know what stocks you're buying so I can short them.

[MannyGoldstein]

247. Ah,come to think of it, I did have an inkling

But not usually.

[GoneFishin]

229. Actually, you answered your own question. It's about the information, not Glenn Greenwald.

They are bothered by the information. The fact that he has taken risks makes everyone else who could do something, but were either too comfortable or too chicken shit, look bad.

Maybe the chicken shits that stood by and did nothing remind them of someone they know.

[QC]

242. Here's a very revealing thread on the subject.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100297376

[tclambert]

241. Lemme splain, Manny. In our modern world we know that true journalists just quote celebrities.

Get it on record so you can prove they actually said it. That's all the fact-checking you need. The kind of fact-checking they used to do, where armies of bookish assistants tried to verify the truthfulness of what newmakers said--well, not only is that old-fashioned, but it's expensive. When mega-corporations took over the media, they introduced modern accounting principles and cost control measures that saved lots of money by dispensing with that costly truth stuff. And then Rupert Murdoch made a business model out of converting old-fashioned news operations along the lines of what we used to call "gossip rags." Not only was it cheaper, but the natural he-said she-said controversies that result titillate the readers and sell papers (and later on, cable news channels).

Imagine a world in which news media reported verified facts, where people took medical advice from doctors instead of movie stars, where people learned science from scientists instead of biblical scholars enthusiasts. What a boring world. In a world like that we might miss out on the drama of going to a war for bogus reasons.

[sheshe2]

248. He's a gem alright...

In support of Glenn Greenwald

Greenwald has risked much to get important information to us.

I really don't understand the incredible hatred for him, the need to spread half truths and interpret whatever he does in the worst possible way.

Yea Manny, I don't get it either! How could we ever hate him for this revelation. He is a hero!

Glenn Greenwald: Supporting the Effort to Find 270 Kidnapped Nigerian Girls is “Horrifying”

In response to an op/ed in The Guardian that calls for feminists in the west to support the effort to find 270 teenage Nigerian girls kidnapped by Islamic jahadists known as Boko Haram, Glenn Greenwald tweeted the following:



So according to Greenwald supporting the effort to find these girls whom the terrorist abductors plan to sell into slavery is ignorant, “horrifying” and “The Next Western Intervention.”
Okay. Awful.
The kidnappings weren’t horrifying — but standing “in solidarity with these girls, their mothers, and their fathers,” the point of the op/ed, is “horrifying” to Greenwald. Perhaps if it was 270 Edward Snowdens who were abducted, Greenwald wouldn’t be so heartless. Meal ticket, etc.

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/05/quote-of-the-day-greenwald-says-supporting-the-effort-to-find-270-kidnapped-nigerian-girls-is-horrifying/

[sheshe2]

249. Oh, and by the way....Here are their names Glenn...and for you Manny

sorry we haven't had a chance to update the names, the list is incomplete at this time. So many more have been taken.



http://theobamadiary.com/

[MannyGoldstein]

275. Thanks for this.

Unbelievably terrible situation, I hope the girls are brought back to their homes.

Do you happen to have a list of names of the hundred or so boys slaughtered by Boko Harum in the past few months?

[sheshe2]

280. No Manny I don't.

However they too have been mentioned in numerous threads. I don't think I saw you on any of these threads about the girls or the boys. Or those we have lost.

If you are so concerned why have you not posted an OP about them? Sweet children abused and killed.

Have you posted on that I missed it? Please give me a link. The situation is dire and our children are dying and being sold into slavery, sex slaves.

Your concern is so noted and dismissed as you have never shown your rage at what is happening to both the girls and the boys.

Keep on trucking Manny!

[MannyGoldstein]

282. More than 3,000 children died of malnutrition yesterday

And every day.

Somehow I missed your posts about that, which proves that you're OK it. So sad. 3,000 children each day, totally preventable deaths, and you're cool with that because I never saw you post that it was tragic.

And you don't have the names of the boys, which proves that you're OK with their being slaughtered, and favor girls over boys. Yes, that must be it.

Or maybe, just maybe, each of us is just trying to do the best we can, as we can.

[sheshe2]

287. Other than the bashing of this President ..

where are your posts!?

Where is your outrage?! No, you never post about that. Let's be honest here. You never do. You really care about the children? Please link me to those posts of yours! For the children~

I do my best to cover the issues. My heart cries out for them all. Every child and every woman that has been used and abused.

You have more fun trying to figure out how your friend can get it on! Where the hell are your these posts of yours for the children Manny!?

Do not fuck with me Manny. You really do not give a shit and that is apparent, Your words speak volumes.

[JustAnotherGen]

290. You were alerted on - here are the results

On Sun May 11, 2014, 08:14 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Other than the bashing of this President ..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4937719

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack--"Do not fuck with me Manny. You really do not give a shit and that is apparent, Your words speak volumes."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 11, 2014, 08:21 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The OP's entire schtick depends on inflammatory statements designed to infuriate readers. This has been apparent for a long time. The current poster is simply calling him out for it, so Manny is simply reaping what he has sown.

Leave it.


Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This certainly doesn't rise to the level of insult that Manny has habitually directed. Live by the sword and all that. And anyhow, it's true.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: All sheshe is doing is letting Manny know she sees him for what he is. A former Republican that voted for Reagan and she's not buying his b.s. All this guy does is run around posting inflammatory things to fill his cup of value. He gets his value from antagonizing and getting people hidden at DU. Sheshe told him what's what and to get off her back.

That's not a personal attack. That's telling him - I'm not a wilting flower and I'm not going to just roll over and accept him as the alpha dog at DU.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[sheshe2]

293. Thank you JAG~

For the girls









http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024911180

[bobduca]

296. juror #5 is a TELEPATH

Explanation: All sheshe is doing is letting Manny know she sees him for what he is. A former Republican that voted for Reagan and she's not buying his b.s. All this guy does is run around posting inflammatory things to fill his cup of value. He gets his value from antagonizing and getting people hidden at DU. Sheshe told him what's what and to get off her back.

That's not a personal attack. That's telling him - I'm not a wilting flower and I'm not going to just roll over and accept him as the alpha dog at DU.

[JustAnotherGen]

297. Well helloooooooo bobduca

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I might know that juror.

[bobduca]

299. Your powers are impressive!

telepathy and animated gif selection

[sheshe2]

302. Yes, I thought you might know that poster~

[randome]

291. Damn, sheshe2. Way to go.

Apparently Mirror-Manny had a short shelf life.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

[sheshe2]

304. Why thank you randome~

[sabrina 1]

251. I understand it.

It's simple. Greenwald was a hero to the Left from 2005 to 2008.

When he didn't stop talking about the same issues he was talking about throughout that period, for some on the 'left' who apparently never were interested in those issues, but only opposed them temporarily, he was supposed to shut up about those issues once Bush left the WH. So were the rest of us. We were suddenly met with the same kind of antagonism we got from the right OVER THE SAME ISSUES.

But the good news is, it's just a small minority who are repeating the same old talking points over and over again while he continues to do what he did during the Bush years, report facts about those issues the Left was and is still interested in and wants the truth about.

Good for him he sure does expose the phonies.

[Whisp]

257. I have to agree, whatever Greenwald does is in the worst possible way.

Thankyou Manny!

[treestar]

262. You equate incredible hatred with disagreement

By that token you hate Obama and Hillary. We don't understand your hatred.

We also find it interesting you don't seem to hate Republicans. You only hate more conservative Democrats. Shouldn't you hate Republicans even more? How come it never shows?

[MannyGoldstein]

268. Why did Lincoln fire his losing generals?

After all, it was the Confederacy that was in the wrong. Why fault his generals? Doesn't make sense, eh?

I don't hate anybody. I hate harmful ideas and actions. Which is why I am critical of Republicans, including Third Way Democrats.

[Union Scribe]

286. Lol, typing "treestar hater" into the search box

produces a hilariously long list of your posts insisting that people disagreeing with anything the President does are "haters" soooo I'm not sure your credibility on that accusation (or even definition) really shines through your practices.

[QC]

292. Wow. 74,900 hits. n/t

[bobduca]

295. The proportion of your hatred is unbalanced

your hate levels are not on clear display enough to be a good treestar democrat !

[LWolf]

269. Oh, I think you understand it.

I do, anyway.

Anybody who gets out of line, who doesn't give unconditional support to the neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party, who dares to criticize, who says things publicly that make the Democratic beltway look bad, true or not, that people might listen to or pay attention to will be hated. Incredibly. And will be the subject of negative propaganda campaigns.

[Jakes Progress]

274. Rec. But that's just because I'm a big old liberal.

The politics of personality and hunkiness are just distractions to an old guy like me who actually believes in liberal action.

[nikto]

277. Progressive support for Greenwald/Snowden...

Proves that many Progressives do not give knee-jerk support for "big government",
because they realize big gov't can be either good (SS, Medicare, etc etc), or bad (Big Brother-type meta-spying, MIC, etc).

[scarletwoman]

281. I figure I'd better get a post in on this thread.

In case anyone is making a list, I want to make sure I'm on it.

I like Glenn Greenwald, always have, ever since he first started his blog. It was always one of my regular stops back in those days. Anyway, he's alright by me and I hope he keeps writing and speaking out.

[99Forever]

300. Given the choice between a dedicated journalist...

... and starry-eyed, unquestioning political hero worshipers, I'll go with the truth-saying journalist, every time.

The emperor has no clothes.

[grasswire]

301. My allegiance is to truth and the search for it.

Wherever the path takes us. No matter what "side" the truth favors. I would hope that all Democrats had the same standard.

[MrMickeysMom]

305. I think the more Democrats recoil towards journalist like Greenwald...

… the less they wish to face a systemic problem. We and other "world leaders" have allowed exploitation of human resources and frankly could care about the cost of unfettered capitalism far too long. It's come home to roost. Any pushback that's met with the loss of civil liberties gets closer George Orwell's description.

Every single president since Kennedy has turned a blind eye to militant and covert control. However this "progress" was viewed or ignored in the past is now connected the land of the "free". It's not paranoia if it's true. For many years, it didn't matter because those who were marginalized were "third world".

I am thankful to the truly brave in this brave new world.

[Jakes Progress]

306. Now, now Manny.

You know that just because you are a big old liberal, that doesn't mean that some of those here don't really worship at the alter of st. ronnie. We got this big, ugly tent that includes misogynists, hawks, gun-suckers, and other reagan democrats. Of course those guys are going to hate someone like Greenwald. Now if GG would embrace all of the things that bush did that we hated when bush did them but are supposed to love now, that group's patellar reflex would kick in and they would gush all over him. Whoever said that a consistent moral center was an easy thing?