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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo someone tried to break into my house
I was watching TV with my parents when I heard some rattling in my bedroom. Went over threre and I saw some guy messing with my window. I guess he tried to steal my laptop. Called the cops, said they'll look for them, probably won't. On edge right now and very paranoid, somebody help me calm my nerves?
edgineered
(2,101 posts)I'm glad your parents were home, that must steady your nerves some. Just wishing I had a good enough memory to think of one of those quotes that might apply to what your folks have to say?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)http://thecrimepreventionwebsite.com/door-security-window-security-glazing-grilles-and-shutters/478/window-security/
Another approach is to get a motion sensor that triggers an alarm.http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Patrol-JB5532-Motion-Alarm/dp/B002B2K1IG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1399877252&sr=8-3&keywords=motion+sensor+alarm
You can also place a bell that will ring when the window sash or door gets moved.
Put up some fake security cameras aimed at the windows, outside where they are very visible.
Consider keeping a weapon where it's not easily accessible to an intruder but is available when you need it.
http://www.amazon.com/RoadPro-RPTT-1-Assorted-Wooden-Thumper/dp/B001JT5CFY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399877330&sr=8-1&keywords=tire+checker
"tire checkers" are small bats that have solid metal cores. If your not physically able to use a bat, consider weapons that you can use. Remember that property is replaceable, you are not, use common sense when confronting an intruder.
Get a dog.
Hang in there, but don't be complacent. You need to make some changes as the intruder may well come back. Do not count on the police, when seconds count they are minutes away.
I'd call them back and ask them to dust for fingerprints.
minivan2
(214 posts)I've been thinking of maybe getting a gun just to be safe. I probably won't use it that much since I live in a pretty safe neighborhood.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)I see where this is going now...
newfie11
(8,159 posts)My 4 Newfoundlands would never wake up. Only hope is burglar would trip over them.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They actually scare the living shit out of people who come to the house.
The hilarity ensues when they realize that the dog(s) look like my avatar....
But the bark sounds like a doberman on steroids, so there's that. Great growl!
piratefish08
(3,133 posts)better safe than sorry.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)several handguns, couple AR-15s, something like this:
Better safe than sorry.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)can I get one online?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)Stinger, baby, Stinger!!
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)That's why you lay plastic sheets down first.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)If you are shook now just wait until you kill someone.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)have you done more than stand 15-50 feet away from a paper target and emptied a few magazines?
If not, then NO you do not need a gun.
Firearms are not magical talismans and should never be used as a placebo for safety. In a high stress situation, you are far more likely to harm yourself or a family member than the intruder, or likely to over react turning a non lethal situation deadly...
That said if you are willing to invest the time and money to become properly trained to safely and properly use a weapon, and to safely and responsibly secure this weapon, then a gun is a good idea.
Bazinga
(331 posts)His favorite saying is "Having a gun makes you armed about as much as having a guitar makes you a musician."
I'm all for armed self-defense, but you've got to get yourself some really good training.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)the police said since I have wooden windows, that I should drill holes in the windows and put nails in them, I have done that on the first floor,the second is pretty high up You need a very tall ladder. The back windows are new with stoppers on them, so not a problem. I think I am the last person who leaves windows open for air in this town, everyone else has central air and shut windows.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)It's fairly easy to secure your house with a little work.
Good to hear your going au natural. It's cheaper and better for the environment. Plus you're more connected to your environment, smelling the grass, the rain, etc.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Air conditioning rarely gets used here. But I do have a rust problem from the humidity some times (between 2 rivers can get very moist.) I really like having a huge window in my attic and a large fan there that sucks air through the house - that really cools things at night in the summer, and the house stays cool most of the day. One neighbor kid asked my why my house was so much cooler than theirs, but that was before they got central air.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I think.
The lockable window grill, I mean.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)But I agree with you.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)it occurred to me that it wasn't really an answer to the specific question, but then I don't know if there's anything anybody could say that would make a victim of theft feel better after the fact.
Having been a victim of theft a few times myself (three to be exact...one of them an actual housebreak, the other ones a stolen bicycle and my purse stolen from work) I doubt there's much anybody could have said to me to make it better.
It's just a creepy feeling of violation.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)maybe even something more simple.
MADem
(135,425 posts)put a chunk of wood (a section of broom handle, e.g.) in the upper part of the window so it can't be raised up and someone can't get in. Maybe raid the Christmas box and tack up a few jingle bells on the window, too--anyone trying to raise up your window will have the crap scared out of them.
If you have no curtains, get some, or get blinds, shades, whatever, and keep 'em closed so people can't look in and do inventory. Out of sight, out of mind. Stash your good stuff, too--don't leave it lying about.
Put some plants and crap on the windowsill--make him have to move that stuff to get in.
Get a motion sensor floodlight and put it up so that anyone approaching gets bathed in light. Light is the enemy of criminals. Those things pay for themselves. I have one that's solar and LED and it works amazingly well. Bright as hell!
raccoon
(31,105 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)A big old strap of bells that are commonly used on camels and other beasts of burden, all different sorts, big old deep sounding ones, jingly ones, what-have-you. No one can tip in and out of the house without jingling all the way. Makes a helluva racket!
I don't use them on the windows because I've got good windows now, but in my apartment living days, that worked for me!
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)on the older (wood frame) windows is to drill a hole into the part where the window slides up and down, one hole on each side of the window, about six inches up from the top of the lower pane when it's completely down, and then insert a large nail or screw in the hole with at least half of it sticking out. The window can stay open a bit, but someone on the outside can't open it further.
Hekate
(90,564 posts)...so the kids could sleep with some air.
MADem
(135,425 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Hekate
(90,564 posts)Put portable valuables away out of sight when you leave the house or go to bed. Tell your neighbors what happened -- they need to know to be extra alert.
It's beyond creepy that a thief actually tried to enter your room while you and your parents were still at home and awake. Find out if your local police department has a home assessment program to help people learn how they can improve home security -- sometimes these are public demos and lectures, and sometimes someone will come to your home.
In college I used to stack everything I needed for the next morning in a pile by the living room window. Since the climate was warm, the window was open. One morning I woke up to find someone had removed the screen and taken my purse. I felt incredibly violated -- the contents of a woman's purse is very personal. There was little cash and no credit cards because I was a poor student, but by the same token I needed that money. I learned my lesson, though. It's been decades, and I still take my purse to my bedroom when I lock up for the night.
There are some good ideas in this thread.
Best of luck.
I'll second the taking of valuables into the bedroom with you when retiring for the night. I had a break-in about 20 years ago on Thanksgiving when I was in bed. At that time, I always left my jacket/purse in the living room for the next day. My car keys were in the pocket of my leather jacket too. Both were stolen, but fortunately for me, the person threw the keys on the ground when they left, so I wasn't left totally high and dry. Now the purse stays in the bedroom and I take my laptop/phone/ipad to my bedroom with me when I sleep. Oh, and I lock the bedroom door too. Much more peace of mind!
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)that side of the house. Pretty cheap to do and work.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Another one I've heard is to plant really thorny bushes underneath ground floor windows - it would be to painful for a burglar to get near.
A gun is statistically not going to make you safer. There is a lot more you can do to secure your premises. My house is fairly secure but I have plans to make it even better...my ground floor windows are within my fenced yard, so I plan on getting a gate lock, and I plan to plant thorny bushes and plants along the part of the fence that backs onto a public park. I am going to get numerous motion sensor bright spotlights also. I already have a security system, and it has been a huge help in making me feel much more at peace. I went with a smaller local company and their customer service is amazing. I also have a yappy dog, which is a great deterrent.
Anyway, you've been given some really good ideas. I can only imagine how worried you are after seeing someone being so blatant about trying to get in. Let us know how it goes.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)It's not an easy balance.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)many people cannot learn to operate guns safely no matter what.
For the majority, it is not a viable option for home defense.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--but two-thirds of the general public cannot handle a gun safely or effectively (for a large variety of reasons--you can probably guess some). One problem is that so many people are on medication, or self-medicating. And many people are not so intelligent ...
People who own and operate guns safely have a very different set of skills and physical ability and that's why guns should remain a sport thing, not a home defense option.
Guns are not the practical solution for the vast majority of the public. I'm not even talking about all the horrific accidents, mistaken identities, and kids killing kids. I'm talking about the ability to handle a gun correctly--physically and ethically--in a home break in situation.
Just not a practical solution.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)And you are way off.
Some people, sure! 2/3? Way off.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Sure you might have many who pass your course. Doesn't mean much until there's a real test of the situation. And in that case, more than you can imagine would fail. Just because you know how to shoot a gun doesn't mean you can handle a gun, especially under extreme stress.
I stick by my estimate. Only a third of the population --at best-- have what it takes to judge a situation and use a gun to defend themselves. If they are also trained in karate it would help.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Training people? Working with people? Working in a related field?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)and studying them.
It's an interesting topic. Shooting is best as a sport. Guns may be a symbol of security, but only a few could really use them effectively and wisely in a life-threatening situation. We are talking about both physical and mental limitations. If you can pass a karate brown or black belt test, then maybe you might have the necessary skills and wisdom. Takes a lot of training. Most people would never put in the hours necessary. So it's really just a symbol of safety--not really practical for 2/3's of the population. Symbolism is psychologically useful...until a gun gets misused.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)In fact, from training and experience I may even say you are being optimistic with 33% being able to do it.
That number isn't the whole story though, whether from cultural stigmas, gender biases, personal belief or simple "timid" personality, MAYBE a quarter of the adult population would be effective at a home defense use of a firearm. But, I think the number does jump when you include households as the subject, to about 40%.
To me, training and education are huge components of the push for sensible gun control, plenty of laws already out there, the onus needs to be on owners to be responsible. Safe storage, real training and safety education, along with prosecution for violators of existing laws would go a long way to reducing deaths.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I think it may be closer to a quarter of the population that could manage the physical and mental challenge of using a weapon effectively, but I went with one third, because many people have a hard time seeing this point to begin with.
It was not until I got a black belt in karate that I fully understood the responsibility and challenge of carrying a weapon (in this case hands and feet). If you don't have the ability (and continued practice) in handling weapons, including guns--you will not be effective in a real situation. There is no substitute for experience and practice.
A lot of gun owners have a fantasy that a gun = security and maybe the psychological value of that is important. But all too many are used to kill the wrong person. We don't have good stats on how many gun owners effectively use a gun in a real threat situation--for example, the numbers of people whose gun was no use to them.
Our current laws don't acknowledge this essential problem in thinking about gun ownership. We don't even require the basics that you list. And the existing laws are not enforced. If the onus is only on owners to be responsible...omg...
I think you and I are on the same page. Dogs, alarms, neighbors, locks--the traditional means are best for preventing break-ins.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Honey, if it isn't strapped to your leg at all times it is no fucking use in an emergency which is something that doesn't give you time to find your keys, your lockbox, and your ammo. Oh, wait, you're storing a loaded gun by, say, your bed?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Problem solved.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)...and it will kick in so you better be ready for it.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)...I think you mean Tachy (sp) Psyche, tho...
"Tachypsychia is a neurological condition that alters the perception of time, usually induced by physical exertion, drug use, or a traumatic event. It is sometimes referred to by martial arts instructors and self-defense experts as the Tachy Psyche effect. For someone affected by tachypsychia, time perceived by the individual either lengthens, making events appear to slow down, or contracts, objects appearing as moving in a speeding blur. It is believed that tachypsychia is induced by a combination of high levels of dopamine and norepinephrine, usually during periods of great physical stress and/or in violent confrontation."
(Wiki)
I think this is probably responsible for many gun-related mistakes & accidents--and always misunderestimated.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Get a security system. Guns are not the answer
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)I wonder if this woman ever truly thought she would "need" one? Turns out, she did:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/04/justice/oklahoma-intruder-shooting/
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)guns as an answer. You are part of a tiny minority. Guns are not the answer for the vast majority of people. So try seeing the world like the rest of us do. We do't need guns!
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)I have a security system. I have taken steps to fortify my residence to discourage invaders, such as planting thorn bushes below first floor windows, adding motion lighting, and making sure my security system is advertised on all sides of the house by prominent signage. I don't leave valuables in plain sight, I lock my car doors and I take care to conceal packaging from expensive items when I dispose of it.
That said, I would still rather have a gun and not need it than need one and not have it.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)shot by a gun than I do.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)hunter
(38,303 posts)The bad guys have their own playstations and x-boxes. What they are looking for is guns.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I'm a part time security guard and being proactive is what its all about.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)"Proactive" vs 'reactive"-- makes sense
Hekate
(90,564 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)from the windows. It can be like an advertisement unfortunately.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)sarisataka
(18,498 posts)Very good ideas from other about windows, lights, shrubs etc.
Walk around the outside and think like a criminal. How would you try to get in without being seen. What windows let you see what and who is inside. Make it difficult and likely a burglar will look for an easier target.
You have a dog so you have one of the best alarm systems ever created. Treat it well.
Weapons, including firearms have a place in consideration. Muscle powered weapons depend on your strength and aggressiveness. Chemical deterrents are good but ineffective if a person is on certain drugs.
Guns put people on equal footing but come with baggage. You must be able to keep a gun secure from every person who visits you house. You must be mentally prepared to strike and intruder with a hypersonic piece of metal, possibly causing their death on your living room carpet. You will have social, psychological and legal issues after doing so. Will you participate in shooting sport or recreational target shooting... A gun that sits in a drawer untouched for years is a useless hazard. If you wish detailed info visit RKBA; several of us are firearm instructors and will layout the pros and cons so you can make an informed choice.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)"You must be mentally prepared to strike and intruder with a hypersonic piece of metal, possibly causing their death on your living room carpet. You will have social, psychological and legal issues after doing so..."
--So many people underestimate their skills and ability--and as you point out, the aftermath.
Guns cannot be operated safely by large numbers of the population. It requires a very specific set of skills and a lot of training--& an ability to be very cool under stressful conditions of fear and surprise. I have not seen many people who I would advise to take up guns for home defense. Not a practical solution.
sarisataka
(18,498 posts)along with some unedited photos. I try and make it as personal as possible. Then we take a break and anyone who wishes to leave gets their money back on the spot, no questions.
Armed defense is not for everyone and I would rather those who can't, won't or don't want to do so not waste their time on some macho BS. It is not a character flaw any more than a flaw in those who can do so. The only flawed personality is the one who can shoot someone and feel nothing- THAT is exactly the type who should never be armed.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)and should be required.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)But there is a better than even chance the punk Will be back.
Take necessary and obvious security measures. A punk who breaks in successfully, and senses nothing has changed regarding his/her victim, Will try again, often with greater confidence enfused with a growing contempt for the repeat-victim. That often means escalation.
hunter
(38,303 posts)I'd have probably yelled something like, "Sorry, is the back door locked?"
When my kids were teens I never knew who was going to show up at our house, or where.
BTW, my wife and I have been living in neighborhoods where there's graffiti on the walls for most of our lives now.
You don't want to make it easy for casual burglars, but it's nothing to make yourself crazy about either.
FBaggins
(26,721 posts)And yes...
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And if you're uncomfortable with a gun, get a big knife.
Make these fuckers think twice. Just realize that any course of action carries risks, like a gun going off accidentally. Obviously, having no weapon carries a risk also. I judged a gun to outweigh the risks in my situation, you'll have to carefully consider yours.
Lex
(34,108 posts)People with guns just end up getting the guns stolen TOO.
jmowreader
(50,530 posts)They grow fast and they're covered in nasty-ass thorns. And blackberries taste really good.
Crepuscular
(1,057 posts)According to the Vice-President, you just need to get a double barreled shotgun and fire off a few rounds to scare away the burglar.
"if you want to protect yourself, get a double barreled shotgun," Biden responded. "I promise you, as I told my wife, we live in an area that's wooded and somewhat secluded. I said, Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put [up] that double barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house."
The vice president said that by firing two shotgun blasts, anyone who might be trying to break in would be scared off."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/joe-biden-guns_n_2719330.html
Nine
(1,741 posts)How would a gun have helped in the original situation? What you need is a more secure perimeter. A gun doesn't protect your home when you're away. It doesn't protect your home when you're asleep. It doesn't protect your home when you're at home and awake but in another room and you don't hear someone entering. I always say that for a gun to even be effective as home defense, all the stars have to be aligned - in your case you were home, you were awake, you heard the would-be burglar making noise, the burglar didn't shoot YOU when you surprised him by entering the room... that's already a lot of stars aligning, and even in that situation, what would a gun have really added? Unless you had the gun on your person, the burglar would still probably have escaped before you could get your gun. If you had the gun on your person and started to draw the gun, an armed burglar could and would shoot you before you could shoot him. IF the burglar was unarmed, and IF you had your gun at the ready, and IF the burglar was not positioned for an easy getaway, and IF you could even think straight in that situation - again, more stars aligning - I suppose you could have pulled out your gun and held the burglar till the police arrived. You and your possessions wouldn't be any safer than in the original scenario, but you'd have "caught" a bad guy.
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)lights on at night and will turn one room's light off and then turn another on if we get up to use the restroom - to look like someone's moving up and moving about. The bathroom and hallways always stays on. Our blinds and curtains are typically always down especially at night. It surprises me when driving around at night how many people keep their curtains open!
Inform your neighbors including those across the street about what happened and maybe exchange phone numbers...
I can only imagine what this has been like for you; I've never experienced it (knock on wood.) This is probably naïve but would loud, clanky bells attached or resting on the windows help alert to noise? Best of luck!