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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsImagine This: 80% of Democrats Go to the Polls in November, 2014.
In every congressional district throughout the United States, turnout by Democratic voters would be a record. The result would be a complete transformation of Congress and most state legislatures.
Just imagine! Imagine, and then help it happen in your own congressional district. We can do it, but only if we imagine it first.
GOTV 2014 and Beyond!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I am hoping we double the numbers to around 40 percent. Your prediction would be amazing.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Imagining a goal is the first step in achieving it. My point in this thread is that we actually have it in our power to make the changes that are needed to move this country forward. We just have to do it. If we do, we'll make progress. If we do not, we won't. It's that simple.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I am a little disappointed in the turn out for the primaries so far. Some states are getting around 10 percent. That is atrocious. However, November will have higher numbers and a goal is 80 is perfect.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Off year primaries. I think, and am working to get those numbers up ... which I don't think will be that difficult when there will be a real life goper to run against.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Instead of the idiots who are there now
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Not "incompetent."
My deal is that I believe the first step toward a progressive government in the US is to end Republican majority control of Congress, once and for all. If that occurs, the stage will be set for progressive change.
If we continue to allow the Republicans to retain a majority in the House and enough members in the Senate to block actions, there is no hope for progressive change.
We can make it happen, but only if we are willing to get out and bring Democrats to the polls in unprecedented numbers. If we are unwilling to do that, the current state of affairs will simply continue.
pscot
(21,024 posts)from idiocy.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Too bad.
And I haven't even had my 2nd cup of coffee yet. Whatever my opinion of our party's "leadership", I do my share.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,661 posts)That's what he does.
pscot
(21,024 posts)I love being talked down to.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)And make your statement that you "do your part" so strikingly unbelievable when you open with uninformed childish bashing of the Democratic leadership.
People who actually canvass, phone bank, and otherwise talk outside their little echo chamber don't do this.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
pscot
(21,024 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You know it probably won't work, but you go ahead and pay for the treatment.
What pscot is expressing is something different than snark.
It is pragmatic hope that this time the leadership will represent the people who voted for them, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I share pscot's cynical hope.
Now, given that 80% turnout is as unlikely as discovering a diamond in your own earwax, perhaps we should be pressuring our leaders on a more populist agenda rather than encouraging people to accomplish tasks with the same effectiveness as encouraging a child to fly by flapping his or her arms faster.
pscot
(21,024 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)We can do whatever we want to do, if we're just willing to go to the polls in high numbers. That we don't is my biggest disappointment in life. The message we need to be taking to voters is that voting matters. Not instantly, and not in every place, but in the aggregate, our voting matters more than anything else we do.
We can overcome huge sums spent on campaigns, obstacles put in place to voting, and everything else by simply registering and actually voting in every election. If we choose to use that power, we will get the government we want. If we do not, we will get the government those who do vote select.
Seems simple enough to me.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)mopinko
(70,088 posts)sort of a truism that you have to get out there and ask for the vote. but the numbers are clear. it works. door to door is best. phone calls can work if you can get through to anyone any more.
if we do it, they will come.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I've watched the turnout in my own precinct rise, just from my own, personal, canvassing. Talking to people works. Ask them to vote and help them understand why it matters, and they'll vote. If they aren't registered, help them register, and they'll vote. New voters who have recently registered vote in very high percentages. Voters who have been contacted vote in higher percentages than those who have not.
It's the most basic activism there is. Individual contact is far more valuable that advertising, overall. It brings people to the polls, and that's what matters.
mopinko
(70,088 posts)tho i never miss an election, for the occasional voter, you have to ask. preferably in person.
obviously in the electronic age, it is possible to craft a media campaign that makes a voter feel invited.
but there is nothing like pressing the flesh.
in '08 i took several road trips, and got to see some of the numbers in the precincts we had visited. we averaged a 5% increase in margin in those precincts.
FSogol
(45,481 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)FBaggins
(26,731 posts)It's not a bad dream to have. Just don't hold your breath.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)progressoid
(49,987 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)That's what we need now. Tell everyone their vote really does matter and convince them of that. That's the activist's responsibility, IMO.
progressoid
(49,987 posts)Of course a lot of America wasn't allowed to vote then, but still some impressive numbers from the 19th century.
I'm sure there is some sociological studies out there explaining these trends.
FBaggins
(26,731 posts)Do you have the same data for off-year elections?
progressoid
(49,987 posts)FBaggins
(26,731 posts)... that the drop-off in apparent participation on the earlier graph was less a change in voter behavior than it was an expansion of the voting-eligible population.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Can someone explain the precipitous drop from a relatively stable 75% turnout from 1836 - 1900 to a relatively stable 55% turnout from 1920 - present?
EDIT: Apparently there's this thing called Google...
http://prospect.org/article/vanishing-voters
The decline in turnout was, as one would expect, entirely by design and aimed to decrease the influence of black, poor and working-class voters:
To antiparty reformers and to Protestant, middle-class Americans, the ubiquity of patronage and the emphasis on spectacle and display also seemed a threat to rational government. They wanted to reduce the role of parties and rely more on disinterested, nonpartisan administration to cope with the strains of urban life, industrial disorder, and immigration.
Finally, to conservative Southerners, a vigorous, unfettered party politics endangered the stability of the South's social hierarchies. From 1868 to 1892 both white and black presidential turnout in the South was at least as high as it is now and probably higher, despite violence and other efforts to restrict turnout. The Populist strategy of building a class-based, cross-racial coalition of poor farmers threatened conservative Democrats and their economic allies.
Through gradual changes on a number of fronts, the groups that were dissatisfied with high participation prevailed. In the pivotal 1896 election, the Democrats embraced some of the Populist rhetoric but lost the White House for nearly two decades. The ensuing realignment left the Democrats strong inside the South, but Republicans strong in every other region, and as a result created enough regional one-party dominance to reduce popular interest in politics, particularly state and local elections. The reduced stimulus of less party competition weakened the hold of what Kleppner calls "party norms" on the electorate. Turnout dropped.
The elections of 1896 also set the stage for attacks on earlier electoral traditions. The sway of the two parties in their different regions made it easier to change the rules of electoral politics. In the South, after the collapse of Populism, Bourbon Democrats were free to revive white supremacist violence and to push blacks out of politics. But the new rules they imposed, including poll taxes and literacy tests, excluded poor whites as well.
Outside the South, new rules also made participation more costly. Legislatures established personal registration during workdays. At that time workers had neither an eight-hour day nor an hour off for lunch. Between 1900 and 1930 the percentage of counties outside the South with personal registration jumped 72 percent, according to Kleppner. Nor did legislatures require registration opportunities to be fairly distributed by neighborhood. As Piven and Cloward stress, personal registration depressed worker presence in politics, so that rational politicians increasingly directed their appeals to middle-class concerns. In turn, the absence of populist or collectivist appeals continued to discourage worker involvement in politics until the New Deal.
FBaggins
(26,731 posts)The total population eligible to vote grew much faster than the number of people who turned out to vote.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Both parties in their respective strongholds (Democrats in the South, Republicans elsewhere) enacted structural impediments to black/poor/working class voters.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)We are liberal, we are Democrats, and we are everywhere. Knock on doors, contribute, hand out flyers. Our congressional district is safe, so we are off to GOTV in the districts currently held by Republicans, starting with the 6th and that teabagger Coffman.
We'll be getting out the vote for Andrew Romanoff!
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)We can do it, if we all get out and do the work.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)some extra cash for donations come general election season...
all the media folks seem to be rooting for republicans to regain the senate (places like the wash post saying KY is still 98% chance of republican victory even tho polls show the race within 1-2%)..
I encourage everyone to go to places like ACTBLUE.com to find local democrats to give some funds
ACTBLUE doesn't take any of the donation , but do give you the option to give to their organization if youd like (for their service of keeping a directory and money distribution).. so all of your money goes to the candidate.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)GOTV requires no money from those who participate...just people and time. Anyone can get involved. Every congressional and state legislative election is a local election. And that's where we need the voters: In congressional districts.
kimbutgar
(21,131 posts)The rethugs will impeach the president if they take both houses you can count in that,
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I doubt that would work, but, there are much worse things they could do, and would do in a second, if they get the chance.
randr
(12,411 posts)Two groups who have the most to gain by throwing the dynasaurs out of office only have to show up and they take control.
This is the campaign that Progressives must wage. I have a gut feeling the DNC would not be happy with the results either.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)With a high enough turnout, we could conceivably alter the entire course of the nation, even in a mid-term election. I suggest we do exactly that. Let's all work to get people to the polls.
riqster
(13,986 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)contest. You're absolutely right.
riqster
(13,986 posts)2000: narrow margins in key states. Stolen.
2004: narrow margins in key states. Stolen.
2008 and 2012: larger margins. Not stolen.
Other examples are out there for non-Presidential elections.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Recounts can be a source of stolen elections, particularly in states without a solid, verifiable recount process.
In other states, a properly-done recount will reveal the actual winner. Minnesota is an excellent example. It's recount procedures are public, observable and fair to all parties. We've had two recently. In the first, Al Franken won his seat by a handful of votes. In the second Governor Dayton also won after demonstrating that his close election was accurately counted in the original poll count.
Every state should have a recount process that is completely transparent and observed by all interested parties. Many, sadly, do not, so a large margin protects the voters' wishes.
riqster
(13,986 posts)That is because there is no way for a human to manually recount what the machine counted. The devices are the only way to do a recount, and if they were hacked or otherwise compromised, the recount won't reveal the errors.
Everyone should have a right to a paper ballot that they can mark. And everyone should USE that right. In Ohio, the easiest way is to vote absentee.
In this case, when the choice is "paper or plastic", always pick paper.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)voting absentee is one way to assure that your vote has a permanent, paper record. In Minnesota, we use optical readers to read the marked ballots, and the ballots are retained. After each election, precincts are selected at random for comparison between the machine count and the physical ballots. So far, the results have shown that our elections are accurately counted. Complete statewide recounts have further proven that Minnesota's elections are fair, accurate, and are not influenced by fraudulent practices.
Something similar needs to be in place everywhere. That's why it's crucial to try to elect Democratic majorities in state legislatures. The Republicans have proven that they will create fraudulent election results if they can get away with it. That needs to stop, once and for all.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Remember who "wrote" HAVA? Bob Ney, Republican and convicted criminal.
Actually written by Diebold and other industry players. Who are Repubs. A tidy little setup.
So any time we can wrest control from the industry consultants and restore it to the boards of election, it's best we do so.
Minnesota sounds like a good model.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Now how do we make it happen?
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)with the goal of getting as many people besides ourselves to the polls in November. Local Democratic Party organizations have the voter registration lists of Democrats. Each one needs to be talked to and convinced to show up and vote. Beyond that, we can register other voters who are likely to vote for Democrats and get them to the polls as well.
On a personal level, each of us should work to bring 10 other people to the polls who will vote for Democrats. Just 10. And we should try to get those 10 people to each bring just 5 more voters to the polls. It's a snowball effect that, if done properly, has proven itself as effective.
If you get involved with your local party organization's GOTV efforts, you can bring even more than 10 to the polls. This works. But, it requires people and time. Phone banking. Precinct canvassing. Talking up the election. Anything that anyone can do helps, but everyone who cares has to get involved.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Not by defending the party...but the GOP will attack, and we will defend as usual and people will be turned of as usual.
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)We all have to get others to come out and vote, too. It won't happen otherwise.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)It's easy if you try
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I know there's not. No sarcasm needed.
I also don't have to imagine what happens when strong GOTV activism efforts are at work. I've seen it in action in every place I have lived. I've helped make it happen. You can do that too.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Really? I can tell you that it works. I've seen it work in every precinct and district I've lived in. Active GOTV efforts have resulted in higher turnouts for the districts I live in than in other nearby districts. I've always been active in those efforts, and I've seen the results.
Saying that it doesn't work is simply discouraging people from doing the hard work. Please don't do that. Instead, get involved with GOTV efforts in your own area and see just how effective it can be. That's what I'm encouraging. I don't discourage voters. Ever!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I've been involved in GOTV efforts all of my adult life. I've worked in them and led them. What I can tell you is that in every place I've done that, Democratic turnout has been higher than in neighboring districts where such efforts weren't as strong.
You're welcome to be as cynical as you please. I can't share your cynicism and won't. Instead, I'll be here offering encouragement for people to take the steps needed to increase Democratic turnout right where they live. If you're not on board with that, that's up to you. Your cynicism will not help change this country for the better. Cynicism never does that.
Sincerely,
Positive-way MineralManny
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's the cynicism of the electorate that keeps them away from the polls - no matter who they vote for, things get worse for the 99% and better for the 1%, who can blame them?
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)You've apparently convinced yourself. Keep trying and you might succeed at convincing others that there's no point in voting.
I'm not buying it. People do vote. I'm in favor of convincing more to do that. You appear to be trying to convince them otherwise.
I find that depressing, and won't participate in your anti-GOTV efforts. Sorry.
Sincerely,
GOTV-way MineralManny
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Please stop claiming I am.
I just want some help from Democratic leadership, besides Elizabeth Warren and a handful of others.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I only have your posts on which to base my opinion, and they're not enthusiastic about getting out the vote. Just the opposite, really.
But, if you say so. I'll trust that you're personally engaged in GOTV efforts in your own area. That's great. Now, if you'd just stop constantly trying to run down Democrats, I'd feel much better.
With that, I'm not going to engage with you any further in this thread.
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Laelth
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zeemike
(18,998 posts)Just try to GOTV by telling people that the GOP is evil and you should be afraid of them and see what happens...they will shut you out because you are doing what Fox does...trying to scare them.
Then try offering them a policy that will work for them and see the diference....you can drive them with a whip or you can offer them a carrot...they will respond better to the carrot.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)First, you learn what the candidates running in your local districts are about and you help those you talk to know about it. I never said anything about trashing the GOP. They do a great job of that all by themselves. It's not difficult. You just have to know the candidates and their positions.
GOTV efforts are positive efforts, not negative. Negativity does not bring Democratic voters to the polls, especially negativity about the Democratic candidates on the ballot.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)They need a fire built under. ReThugs get out the Vote because they are so SCARED of all those LIBERAL SOCIALISTS.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Help to choose the best candidate.
Thanks for your enthusiasm. Share it with others, too, where you live.
smallcat88
(426 posts)I've been working on a flyer and the content for a blog or website to get out the vote but I'm dirt poor and can't afford to pay for domain, hosting and all that. If anyone wants to take what I've got and run with it or has any ideas - let me know. Sample flyer:
WHY YOU
HAVE TO VOTE
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IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT, INDEPENDENT, OR
A MODERATE FROM EITHER PARTY
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Many Americans are far too busy with their own lives to pay close attention to politics and the news. Especially if you are working two or more jobs just to make ends meet.
So here is a list of what Republicans have been doing, and in far too many instances getting away with, since the rise of the Tea Party . . .
rolling back women's rights (attempts to ban birth control, obstructing equal pay)
putting more guns (including illegal guns) on our streets
pushing for the same fiscal policies that wrecked the economy
increasing corporate welfare at the expense of the poor and middle class
voting against jobs bills to help veterans
voting against jobs bills to help anyone (including the small business jobs act)
denying climate change (being anti-science in general)
voter suppression
money now has 1st amendment rights
I work at a local Kmart and whenever I mention this stuff people look at me like I'm crazy because they're not paying attention to national politics and have no idea a lot of this stuff is happening! THAT'S the problem. APATHY. If more people knew what the bat-shit crazy right-wing was doing they would get mad and vote!
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Blogs are free. Create one for your area and your election.
jaxind
(1,074 posts)Let's make the Rethugs wish they hadn't messed around with how money influences politics. Just like how in 2012, they tried to suppress the minority vote, and the minorites came out in droves. Let's hope the low-income voter refuses to have his voice suppressed, and will turn out in droves in November 2014!
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)That's what I'm suggesting. Anything you can do will help.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)worry about GOTV nearly as much as we do now.. We would solve a lot of our problems if we would only try. Does anyone ever wonder why Republicans mail out ballots to every registered Republican while Democrats walk around muttering about getting out their voters. Republicans figured this out years and years ago.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)On the other hand, if we get out the vote and elect Democratic Majorities in our state legislatures, we might just have a chance to do that in time for the 2016 election.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)interesting to see how much of a win that would mean to the party.
rethugs are trained to follow the leader and they turn out even when they are not interested because the leader tells them to. We Democrats tend to be more independent and that hurts us in the long run.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)really do work. It doesn't take a lot of people to make them work, either. A few really dedicated election activists can make a big difference. I encourage everyone to get involved in their own congressional district to help with both House elections and state legislative elections, along with all of the down-ballot local elections.
Too often, a lot of us pay more attention to big national elections and forget that our local elections tend to affect us even more. That's the message I take to voters during GOTV campaigns. The goal is to get people to the polls to vote on stuff that affects them directly. In the process, all Democrats benefit.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)There, click the Find Where You Vote link. Follow the steps and you'll get your precinct identification information and your polling place. That will give you the info you need.
The Secretary of State website is information central for voters.
For information about the DFL and how you can help, click this link:
http://www.dfl.org/get-involved-menu/
You'll be able to find your local DFL party organization, with contact information. It's easy to get involved, and you can help!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)radhika
(1,008 posts)Even in some gerrymandered districts, a huge Dem turnout could save the day. It'll take work, but it could happen.
I have lots of issues with lots of Democrats. But we aren't touting the pros/cons of individual Democrats at this point. If we don't want impeachment, end of all safety net programs and freedom for women and minorities - ALL Repukes must be blocked.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)The improvement would start immediately in January. Minimum wage increase? Done. Restore long-term unemployment payments? Done. Get all those Federal Court appointments ratified? Done. And that's just the beginning.
Imagine a Democratic Congress that would send bills to President Obama for his signature. I have no trouble imagining that, and that's what I'm selling to prospective voters this year.
We can make changes happen if we really want to badly enough.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)and fight subsidies that draw working class jobs away from the US.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)For me, there are numerous issues. I will vote for a candidate who represents progressive movement in many areas, even when a particular issue is one we might disagree about. When the alternative is a Republican who will certainly vote against my beliefs in almost every area, I will enthusiastically vote for a candidate who will vote in ways that have my approval, even if not in every area.
Normally, we have two viable choices. I've rarely seen a candidate who agrees with me on every issue. I don't expect to. I vote because my vote makes a difference in many areas.
To get better candidates, overall, I participate in the process of selecting, endorsing, and voting for the best candidate in the primary elections. In November, I vote for the best available candidate who can win. I never skip an election and always vote for the best candidate. That candidate is almost always a Democrat. The only time I will vote for a third party is when the Democrat has absolutely no chance to win. I will never vote for a Republican. But I will always vote. Every election. Every time.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Gerrymandering is based in part on turnout assumptions. Exceeding them breaks the paradigm and allows us to win.
There are a few districts that are in winnable. But only a few. The rest we can take.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)impossible to elect a Democrat in 2014. But, we don't have to win every district to regain control. A massive turnout of Democrats will win more than enough seats to have control of the House and will assure election of enough Senators to have a super majority in the Senate.
Even in states where gerrymandering has made things difficult, though, there are districts that can be flipped. If yours isn't one of those, you can do GOTV in districts that can be flipped.
But, not all states have been gerrymandered in favor of Republicans. Redistricting was done in 2011 and 2012, following the 2010 census. Districts won't change until 2021 at the earliest. So, it's even more important in those states to GOTV in districts which can be flipped. In your own area, you can also work to elect Democrats to your state legislature. Even in gerrymandered districts, a strong local candidate can turn the tables on the Republicans in state legislative races.
Whatever you can do will help, even if you can't flip your congressional district. But if 80% of Democrats actually did turn out, even gerrymandered districts could be flipped.
Cha
(297,156 posts)mahalo MM
Number9Dream
(1,561 posts)Democratic leadership: Please give me a candidate to vote for.
I live and work in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania. In November, I will be voting for the Democratic candidate against Tom Corbett, as well as any other Democrats running for whatever. Our two Senators are not up for election in 2014. My Congressman is Republican, Charlie Dent. This year, he will be running unopposed by any Democratic opponents. Listening to and reading various progressive media, I'm told over and over that in order to take back the House and retain the Senate, it's up to Democratic voters to vote in November. I'd love to vote for any Democratic candidate against Charlie Dent, but the Democratic Party can't come up with a single candidate to run against Dent. The Party leadership is letting down thousands of Democratic voters, not the other way around. It makes me wonder how many other races nationwide feature unopposed Republicans.