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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:44 AM May 2014

Imagine This: 80% of Democrats Go to the Polls in November, 2014.

In every congressional district throughout the United States, turnout by Democratic voters would be a record. The result would be a complete transformation of Congress and most state legislatures.

Just imagine! Imagine, and then help it happen in your own congressional district. We can do it, but only if we imagine it first.

GOTV 2014 and Beyond!

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Imagine This: 80% of Democrats Go to the Polls in November, 2014. (Original Post) MineralMan May 2014 OP
Wow! That would be incredible yeoman6987 May 2014 #1
Goals are important. MineralMan May 2014 #2
You are right yeoman6987 May 2014 #3
That 10% is not unusual for ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #34
It could happen if we had incompetent leadership at the top of the Party bigdarryl May 2014 #4
I believe the word you are looking for is "competent." MineralMan May 2014 #5
Incompetence would be a step u p pscot May 2014 #6
I see. I guess I won't count on your participation, then. MineralMan May 2014 #8
Snark? pscot May 2014 #10
On his high horse again Ishoutandscream2 May 2014 #36
Agreed pscot May 2014 #62
You make it so easy ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #70
Are you always like this? pscot May 2014 #85
Voting for the democrats sometimes feels like chemo for terminal cancer Android3.14 May 2014 #64
Weed helps pscot May 2014 #66
With chemo and flying Android3.14 May 2014 #72
I agree. Once we finish burying the boogey man, corporate Dems won't be able to hide behind him yurbud May 2014 #67
Big K & R, The problem is us. American voters have complete control over what happens nt okaawhatever May 2014 #7
We do. We just don't know that we do. MineralMan May 2014 #9
+100 nt okaawhatever May 2014 #28
when people reach out, person to person, people vote. mopinko May 2014 #24
Absolutely. There is no question about it. MineralMan May 2014 #58
you have to ask for that vote. mopinko May 2014 #95
Make it so, DU. FSogol May 2014 #11
That's activism that gets results. Thanks! MineralMan May 2014 #16
I'd say that you're a dreamer... but you're not the only one. :) FBaggins May 2014 #12
I always keep breathing as I keep trying. MineralMan May 2014 #14
That's ambitious. I'd be happy with 70% progressoid May 2014 #13
Look at those numbers from the 19th century! MineralMan May 2014 #15
And it's got to be easier to vote today. progressoid May 2014 #21
Those are presidential years. FBaggins May 2014 #17
About 20% lower than a presidential election progressoid May 2014 #23
Yep. It's also useful to note... FBaggins May 2014 #27
Hey - history buffs! Maedhros May 2014 #88
Suffrage FBaggins May 2014 #89
That was my initial thought as well, but see my edit above. Maedhros May 2014 #90
All politics are local..someone smarter than me said that. mountain grammy May 2014 #18
Thank you for your activism. MineralMan May 2014 #19
Hope folks have iamthebandfanman May 2014 #20
Even those without cash can help. MineralMan May 2014 #35
Vote in November as if you life depends on it....because it does kimbutgar May 2014 #22
They would certainly try to impeach Obama. MineralMan May 2014 #29
A mere +55% of women or millennials would do the trick randr May 2014 #25
I'd prefer a higher percentage. MineralMan May 2014 #30
Also, high turnout makes it much harder to steal elections. riqster May 2014 #79
It certainly does. A large margin is almost impossible to MineralMan May 2014 #82
Examples for those reading this exchange: riqster May 2014 #86
Another thing that large margins prevent is recounts. MineralMan May 2014 #87
Indeed. And where touchscreen devices are used, a true recount is impossible. riqster May 2014 #91
True. Where there are non-paper record voting procedures, MineralMan May 2014 #92
Just so. riqster May 2014 #93
The GOP would be finished liberal N proud May 2014 #26
The best approach is for each of us to start right now MineralMan May 2014 #32
By offering them something that effects their life. zeemike May 2014 #56
If we don't vote it will be more bullshit from the crazies. santamargarita May 2014 #31
It's not just individual voting. It's more than that. MineralMan May 2014 #33
Imagine there's no heaven Capt. Obvious May 2014 #37
I don't have to imagine that. MineralMan May 2014 #41
Fat chancr of that happening! Dem's have a miserable record. nt Auntie Bush May 2014 #38
So, you're saying we shouldn't try to GOTV? MineralMan May 2014 #39
Like fresh pasta, they're more effectively pulled than pushed. nt MannyGoldstein May 2014 #40
Manny, that is a meaningless statement. MineralMan May 2014 #43
*My* cynicism isn't the issue MannyGoldstein May 2014 #48
Whatever you say, Manny. MineralMan May 2014 #51
I'm not anti-GOTV, at all MannyGoldstein May 2014 #57
Whatever you say, Manny. MineralMan May 2014 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #83
+1 (and I am saddened that I must agree). n/t Laelth May 2014 #53
It's not meaningless at all. zeemike May 2014 #60
Absolutely right. And that's what GOTV activism is about. MineralMan May 2014 #61
Fat chance of that happening! Dems have a miserable record of voting. Auntie Bush May 2014 #42
I answered your identical reply above. MineralMan May 2014 #45
Kick & Recd - I look forward to November, I CANNOT WAIT to vote! Firebrand Gary May 2014 #44
Don't forget to vote in your primary elections, too. MineralMan May 2014 #47
Been thinking the same thing smallcat88 May 2014 #46
Go to Blogger.com. MineralMan May 2014 #49
Make them wish they hadn't! jaxind May 2014 #50
Let's help them come out in droves. MineralMan May 2014 #54
If we would work just half as hard trying to establish "Vote By Mail" we would not have to Bandit May 2014 #52
I agree. However, there's no time to do that before November. MineralMan May 2014 #55
I really wish that would happen. It would help us both locally and nationally. It would also be jwirr May 2014 #63
Enthusiastic GOTV campaigns in individual districts MineralMan May 2014 #65
MM can you direct me to the precinct I need to work with? I live in Cloquet. jwirr May 2014 #68
Sure. Just go to this link: MineralMan May 2014 #78
Thank you. jwirr May 2014 #84
Imagine: We could end our national nightmare in ONE well-planned day! radhika May 2014 #69
Thank you for your imagination. You're correct. MineralMan May 2014 #71
I will enthusiastically vote for the candidate dedicated to stop offshoring abelenkpe May 2014 #73
Is that your only issue? MineralMan May 2014 #75
K&r for GOTV! Politicub May 2014 #74
Thank you! MineralMan May 2014 #76
Won't gerrymandering suffice to keep the house in GOP hands regardless of Dem turnout? nt NorthCarolina May 2014 #77
Not in most districts, no. riqster May 2014 #80
No. In some districts in some states, it may be almost MineralMan May 2014 #81
And, now a word from Uncle Sam.. Cha May 2014 #94
My Republican Congressman is running unopposed Number9Dream May 2014 #96
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. Wow! That would be incredible
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:50 AM
May 2014

I am hoping we double the numbers to around 40 percent. Your prediction would be amazing.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
2. Goals are important.
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:52 AM
May 2014

Imagining a goal is the first step in achieving it. My point in this thread is that we actually have it in our power to make the changes that are needed to move this country forward. We just have to do it. If we do, we'll make progress. If we do not, we won't. It's that simple.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. You are right
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:54 AM
May 2014

I am a little disappointed in the turn out for the primaries so far. Some states are getting around 10 percent. That is atrocious. However, November will have higher numbers and a goal is 80 is perfect.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. That 10% is not unusual for ...
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:36 AM
May 2014

Off year primaries. I think, and am working to get those numbers up ... which I don't think will be that difficult when there will be a real life goper to run against.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
4. It could happen if we had incompetent leadership at the top of the Party
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:55 AM
May 2014

Instead of the idiots who are there now

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
5. I believe the word you are looking for is "competent."
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:59 AM
May 2014

Not "incompetent."

My deal is that I believe the first step toward a progressive government in the US is to end Republican majority control of Congress, once and for all. If that occurs, the stage will be set for progressive change.

If we continue to allow the Republicans to retain a majority in the House and enough members in the Senate to block actions, there is no hope for progressive change.

We can make it happen, but only if we are willing to get out and bring Democrats to the polls in unprecedented numbers. If we are unwilling to do that, the current state of affairs will simply continue.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
10. Snark?
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:22 AM
May 2014

And I haven't even had my 2nd cup of coffee yet. Whatever my opinion of our party's "leadership", I do my share.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
70. You make it so easy
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:28 PM
May 2014

And make your statement that you "do your part" so strikingly unbelievable when you open with uninformed childish bashing of the Democratic leadership.

People who actually canvass, phone bank, and otherwise talk outside their little echo chamber don't do this.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
64. Voting for the democrats sometimes feels like chemo for terminal cancer
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:16 PM
May 2014

You know it probably won't work, but you go ahead and pay for the treatment.
What pscot is expressing is something different than snark.
It is pragmatic hope that this time the leadership will represent the people who voted for them, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I share pscot's cynical hope.
Now, given that 80% turnout is as unlikely as discovering a diamond in your own earwax, perhaps we should be pressuring our leaders on a more populist agenda rather than encouraging people to accomplish tasks with the same effectiveness as encouraging a child to fly by flapping his or her arms faster.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
9. We do. We just don't know that we do.
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:18 AM
May 2014

We can do whatever we want to do, if we're just willing to go to the polls in high numbers. That we don't is my biggest disappointment in life. The message we need to be taking to voters is that voting matters. Not instantly, and not in every place, but in the aggregate, our voting matters more than anything else we do.

We can overcome huge sums spent on campaigns, obstacles put in place to voting, and everything else by simply registering and actually voting in every election. If we choose to use that power, we will get the government we want. If we do not, we will get the government those who do vote select.

Seems simple enough to me.

mopinko

(70,088 posts)
24. when people reach out, person to person, people vote.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:18 AM
May 2014

sort of a truism that you have to get out there and ask for the vote. but the numbers are clear. it works. door to door is best. phone calls can work if you can get through to anyone any more.

if we do it, they will come.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
58. Absolutely. There is no question about it.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:00 PM
May 2014

I've watched the turnout in my own precinct rise, just from my own, personal, canvassing. Talking to people works. Ask them to vote and help them understand why it matters, and they'll vote. If they aren't registered, help them register, and they'll vote. New voters who have recently registered vote in very high percentages. Voters who have been contacted vote in higher percentages than those who have not.

It's the most basic activism there is. Individual contact is far more valuable that advertising, overall. It brings people to the polls, and that's what matters.

mopinko

(70,088 posts)
95. you have to ask for that vote.
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:29 AM
May 2014

tho i never miss an election, for the occasional voter, you have to ask. preferably in person.
obviously in the electronic age, it is possible to craft a media campaign that makes a voter feel invited.
but there is nothing like pressing the flesh.

in '08 i took several road trips, and got to see some of the numbers in the precincts we had visited. we averaged a 5% increase in margin in those precincts.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
12. I'd say that you're a dreamer... but you're not the only one. :)
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:32 AM
May 2014

It's not a bad dream to have. Just don't hold your breath.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
15. Look at those numbers from the 19th century!
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:51 AM
May 2014

That's what we need now. Tell everyone their vote really does matter and convince them of that. That's the activist's responsibility, IMO.

progressoid

(49,987 posts)
21. And it's got to be easier to vote today.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:11 AM
May 2014

Of course a lot of America wasn't allowed to vote then, but still some impressive numbers from the 19th century.

I'm sure there is some sociological studies out there explaining these trends.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
27. Yep. It's also useful to note...
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:23 AM
May 2014

... that the drop-off in apparent participation on the earlier graph was less a change in voter behavior than it was an expansion of the voting-eligible population.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
88. Hey - history buffs!
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:28 PM
May 2014

Can someone explain the precipitous drop from a relatively stable 75% turnout from 1836 - 1900 to a relatively stable 55% turnout from 1920 - present?

EDIT: Apparently there's this thing called Google...

http://prospect.org/article/vanishing-voters

The decline in turnout was, as one would expect, entirely by design and aimed to decrease the influence of black, poor and working-class voters:

By the 1890s three key groups came to see this highly participatory political system as dangerous. Because American electoral democracy so effectively mobilized ordinary people, it had always potentially threatened concentrations of wealth. That potential threat became more palpable at the end of the nineteenth century as disaffected economic groups, such as the Knights of Labor and farmers' alliances, turned to electoral politics, culminating in the Populism of the 1890s.

To antiparty reformers and to Protestant, middle-class Americans, the ubiquity of patronage and the emphasis on spectacle and display also seemed a threat to rational government. They wanted to reduce the role of parties and rely more on disinterested, nonpartisan administration to cope with the strains of urban life, industrial disorder, and immigration.

Finally, to conservative Southerners, a vigorous, unfettered party politics endangered the stability of the South's social hierarchies. From 1868 to 1892 both white and black presidential turnout in the South was at least as high as it is now and probably higher, despite violence and other efforts to restrict turnout. The Populist strategy of building a class-based, cross-racial coalition of poor farmers threatened conservative Democrats and their economic allies.

Through gradual changes on a number of fronts, the groups that were dissatisfied with high participation prevailed. In the pivotal 1896 election, the Democrats embraced some of the Populist rhetoric but lost the White House for nearly two decades. The ensuing realignment left the Democrats strong inside the South, but Republicans strong in every other region, and as a result created enough regional one-party dominance to reduce popular interest in politics, particularly state and local elections. The reduced stimulus of less party competition weakened the hold of what Kleppner calls "party norms" on the electorate. Turnout dropped.

The elections of 1896 also set the stage for attacks on earlier electoral traditions. The sway of the two parties in their different regions made it easier to change the rules of electoral politics. In the South, after the collapse of Populism, Bourbon Democrats were free to revive white supremacist violence and to push blacks out of politics. But the new rules they imposed, including poll taxes and literacy tests, excluded poor whites as well.

Outside the South, new rules also made participation more costly. Legislatures established personal registration during workdays. At that time workers had neither an eight-hour day nor an hour off for lunch. Between 1900 and 1930 the percentage of counties outside the South with personal registration jumped 72 percent, according to Kleppner. Nor did legislatures require registration opportunities to be fairly distributed by neighborhood. As Piven and Cloward stress, personal registration depressed worker presence in politics, so that rational politicians increasingly directed their appeals to middle-class concerns. In turn, the absence of populist or collectivist appeals continued to discourage worker involvement in politics until the New Deal.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
89. Suffrage
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:38 PM
May 2014

The total population eligible to vote grew much faster than the number of people who turned out to vote.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
90. That was my initial thought as well, but see my edit above.
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:42 PM
May 2014

Both parties in their respective strongholds (Democrats in the South, Republicans elsewhere) enacted structural impediments to black/poor/working class voters.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
18. All politics are local..someone smarter than me said that.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:01 AM
May 2014

We are liberal, we are Democrats, and we are everywhere. Knock on doors, contribute, hand out flyers. Our congressional district is safe, so we are off to GOTV in the districts currently held by Republicans, starting with the 6th and that teabagger Coffman.

We'll be getting out the vote for Andrew Romanoff!

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
20. Hope folks have
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:09 AM
May 2014

some extra cash for donations come general election season...

all the media folks seem to be rooting for republicans to regain the senate (places like the wash post saying KY is still 98% chance of republican victory even tho polls show the race within 1-2%)..


I encourage everyone to go to places like ACTBLUE.com to find local democrats to give some funds
ACTBLUE doesn't take any of the donation , but do give you the option to give to their organization if youd like (for their service of keeping a directory and money distribution).. so all of your money goes to the candidate.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
35. Even those without cash can help.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:36 AM
May 2014

GOTV requires no money from those who participate...just people and time. Anyone can get involved. Every congressional and state legislative election is a local election. And that's where we need the voters: In congressional districts.

kimbutgar

(21,131 posts)
22. Vote in November as if you life depends on it....because it does
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:11 AM
May 2014

The rethugs will impeach the president if they take both houses you can count in that,

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
29. They would certainly try to impeach Obama.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:27 AM
May 2014

I doubt that would work, but, there are much worse things they could do, and would do in a second, if they get the chance.

randr

(12,411 posts)
25. A mere +55% of women or millennials would do the trick
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:19 AM
May 2014

Two groups who have the most to gain by throwing the dynasaurs out of office only have to show up and they take control.
This is the campaign that Progressives must wage. I have a gut feeling the DNC would not be happy with the results either.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
30. I'd prefer a higher percentage.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:29 AM
May 2014

With a high enough turnout, we could conceivably alter the entire course of the nation, even in a mid-term election. I suggest we do exactly that. Let's all work to get people to the polls.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
86. Examples for those reading this exchange:
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:18 PM
May 2014

2000: narrow margins in key states. Stolen.

2004: narrow margins in key states. Stolen.

2008 and 2012: larger margins. Not stolen.

Other examples are out there for non-Presidential elections.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
87. Another thing that large margins prevent is recounts.
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:24 PM
May 2014

Recounts can be a source of stolen elections, particularly in states without a solid, verifiable recount process.

In other states, a properly-done recount will reveal the actual winner. Minnesota is an excellent example. It's recount procedures are public, observable and fair to all parties. We've had two recently. In the first, Al Franken won his seat by a handful of votes. In the second Governor Dayton also won after demonstrating that his close election was accurately counted in the original poll count.

Every state should have a recount process that is completely transparent and observed by all interested parties. Many, sadly, do not, so a large margin protects the voters' wishes.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
91. Indeed. And where touchscreen devices are used, a true recount is impossible.
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:42 PM
May 2014

That is because there is no way for a human to manually recount what the machine counted. The devices are the only way to do a recount, and if they were hacked or otherwise compromised, the recount won't reveal the errors.

Everyone should have a right to a paper ballot that they can mark. And everyone should USE that right. In Ohio, the easiest way is to vote absentee.

In this case, when the choice is "paper or plastic", always pick paper.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
92. True. Where there are non-paper record voting procedures,
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:47 PM
May 2014

voting absentee is one way to assure that your vote has a permanent, paper record. In Minnesota, we use optical readers to read the marked ballots, and the ballots are retained. After each election, precincts are selected at random for comparison between the machine count and the physical ballots. So far, the results have shown that our elections are accurately counted. Complete statewide recounts have further proven that Minnesota's elections are fair, accurate, and are not influenced by fraudulent practices.

Something similar needs to be in place everywhere. That's why it's crucial to try to elect Democratic majorities in state legislatures. The Republicans have proven that they will create fraudulent election results if they can get away with it. That needs to stop, once and for all.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
93. Just so.
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:56 PM
May 2014

Remember who "wrote" HAVA? Bob Ney, Republican and convicted criminal.

Actually written by Diebold and other industry players. Who are Repubs. A tidy little setup.

So any time we can wrest control from the industry consultants and restore it to the boards of election, it's best we do so.

Minnesota sounds like a good model.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
32. The best approach is for each of us to start right now
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:33 AM
May 2014

with the goal of getting as many people besides ourselves to the polls in November. Local Democratic Party organizations have the voter registration lists of Democrats. Each one needs to be talked to and convinced to show up and vote. Beyond that, we can register other voters who are likely to vote for Democrats and get them to the polls as well.

On a personal level, each of us should work to bring 10 other people to the polls who will vote for Democrats. Just 10. And we should try to get those 10 people to each bring just 5 more voters to the polls. It's a snowball effect that, if done properly, has proven itself as effective.

If you get involved with your local party organization's GOTV efforts, you can bring even more than 10 to the polls. This works. But, it requires people and time. Phone banking. Precinct canvassing. Talking up the election. Anything that anyone can do helps, but everyone who cares has to get involved.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
56. By offering them something that effects their life.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:57 AM
May 2014

Not by defending the party...but the GOP will attack, and we will defend as usual and people will be turned of as usual.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
33. It's not just individual voting. It's more than that.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:34 AM
May 2014

We all have to get others to come out and vote, too. It won't happen otherwise.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
41. I don't have to imagine that.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:42 AM
May 2014

I know there's not. No sarcasm needed.

I also don't have to imagine what happens when strong GOTV activism efforts are at work. I've seen it in action in every place I have lived. I've helped make it happen. You can do that too.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
39. So, you're saying we shouldn't try to GOTV?
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:40 AM
May 2014

Really? I can tell you that it works. I've seen it work in every precinct and district I've lived in. Active GOTV efforts have resulted in higher turnouts for the districts I live in than in other nearby districts. I've always been active in those efforts, and I've seen the results.

Saying that it doesn't work is simply discouraging people from doing the hard work. Please don't do that. Instead, get involved with GOTV efforts in your own area and see just how effective it can be. That's what I'm encouraging. I don't discourage voters. Ever!

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
43. Manny, that is a meaningless statement.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:46 AM
May 2014

I've been involved in GOTV efforts all of my adult life. I've worked in them and led them. What I can tell you is that in every place I've done that, Democratic turnout has been higher than in neighboring districts where such efforts weren't as strong.

You're welcome to be as cynical as you please. I can't share your cynicism and won't. Instead, I'll be here offering encouragement for people to take the steps needed to increase Democratic turnout right where they live. If you're not on board with that, that's up to you. Your cynicism will not help change this country for the better. Cynicism never does that.

Sincerely,

Positive-way MineralManny

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
48. *My* cynicism isn't the issue
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:49 AM
May 2014

It's the cynicism of the electorate that keeps them away from the polls - no matter who they vote for, things get worse for the 99% and better for the 1%, who can blame them?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
51. Whatever you say, Manny.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:52 AM
May 2014

You've apparently convinced yourself. Keep trying and you might succeed at convincing others that there's no point in voting.

I'm not buying it. People do vote. I'm in favor of convincing more to do that. You appear to be trying to convince them otherwise.

I find that depressing, and won't participate in your anti-GOTV efforts. Sorry.

Sincerely,

GOTV-way MineralManny

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
57. I'm not anti-GOTV, at all
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:58 AM
May 2014

Please stop claiming I am.

I just want some help from Democratic leadership, besides Elizabeth Warren and a handful of others.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
59. Whatever you say, Manny.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:02 PM
May 2014

I only have your posts on which to base my opinion, and they're not enthusiastic about getting out the vote. Just the opposite, really.

But, if you say so. I'll trust that you're personally engaged in GOTV efforts in your own area. That's great. Now, if you'd just stop constantly trying to run down Democrats, I'd feel much better.

With that, I'm not going to engage with you any further in this thread.

Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #57)

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
60. It's not meaningless at all.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:07 PM
May 2014

Just try to GOTV by telling people that the GOP is evil and you should be afraid of them and see what happens...they will shut you out because you are doing what Fox does...trying to scare them.
Then try offering them a policy that will work for them and see the diference....you can drive them with a whip or you can offer them a carrot...they will respond better to the carrot.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
61. Absolutely right. And that's what GOTV activism is about.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:11 PM
May 2014

First, you learn what the candidates running in your local districts are about and you help those you talk to know about it. I never said anything about trashing the GOP. They do a great job of that all by themselves. It's not difficult. You just have to know the candidates and their positions.

GOTV efforts are positive efforts, not negative. Negativity does not bring Democratic voters to the polls, especially negativity about the Democratic candidates on the ballot.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
42. Fat chance of that happening! Dems have a miserable record of voting.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:43 AM
May 2014

They need a fire built under. ReThugs get out the Vote because they are so SCARED of all those LIBERAL SOCIALISTS.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
47. Don't forget to vote in your primary elections, too.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:48 AM
May 2014

Help to choose the best candidate.

Thanks for your enthusiasm. Share it with others, too, where you live.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
46. Been thinking the same thing
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:48 AM
May 2014

I've been working on a flyer and the content for a blog or website to get out the vote but I'm dirt poor and can't afford to pay for domain, hosting and all that. If anyone wants to take what I've got and run with it or has any ideas - let me know. Sample flyer:



WHY YOU
HAVE TO VOTE
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IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT, INDEPENDENT, OR
A MODERATE FROM EITHER PARTY
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Many Americans are far too busy with their own lives to pay close attention to politics and the news. Especially if you are working two or more jobs just to make ends meet.
So here is a list of what Republicans have been doing, and in far too many instances getting away with, since the rise of the Tea Party . . .

rolling back women's rights (attempts to ban birth control, obstructing equal pay)

putting more guns (including illegal guns) on our streets

pushing for the same fiscal policies that wrecked the economy

increasing corporate welfare at the expense of the poor and middle class

voting against jobs bills to help veterans

voting against jobs bills to help anyone (including the small business jobs act)

denying climate change (being anti-science in general)

voter suppression

money now has 1st amendment rights




I work at a local Kmart and whenever I mention this stuff people look at me like I'm crazy because they're not paying attention to national politics and have no idea a lot of this stuff is happening! THAT'S the problem. APATHY. If more people knew what the bat-shit crazy right-wing was doing they would get mad and vote!


jaxind

(1,074 posts)
50. Make them wish they hadn't!
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:51 AM
May 2014

Let's make the Rethugs wish they hadn't messed around with how money influences politics. Just like how in 2012, they tried to suppress the minority vote, and the minorites came out in droves. Let's hope the low-income voter refuses to have his voice suppressed, and will turn out in droves in November 2014!

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
52. If we would work just half as hard trying to establish "Vote By Mail" we would not have to
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:52 AM
May 2014

worry about GOTV nearly as much as we do now.. We would solve a lot of our problems if we would only try. Does anyone ever wonder why Republicans mail out ballots to every registered Republican while Democrats walk around muttering about getting out their voters. Republicans figured this out years and years ago.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
55. I agree. However, there's no time to do that before November.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:54 AM
May 2014

On the other hand, if we get out the vote and elect Democratic Majorities in our state legislatures, we might just have a chance to do that in time for the 2016 election.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
63. I really wish that would happen. It would help us both locally and nationally. It would also be
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:15 PM
May 2014

interesting to see how much of a win that would mean to the party.

rethugs are trained to follow the leader and they turn out even when they are not interested because the leader tells them to. We Democrats tend to be more independent and that hurts us in the long run.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
65. Enthusiastic GOTV campaigns in individual districts
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:19 PM
May 2014

really do work. It doesn't take a lot of people to make them work, either. A few really dedicated election activists can make a big difference. I encourage everyone to get involved in their own congressional district to help with both House elections and state legislative elections, along with all of the down-ballot local elections.

Too often, a lot of us pay more attention to big national elections and forget that our local elections tend to affect us even more. That's the message I take to voters during GOTV campaigns. The goal is to get people to the polls to vote on stuff that affects them directly. In the process, all Democrats benefit.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
78. Sure. Just go to this link:
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:50 PM
May 2014
http://www.sos.state.mn.us/index.aspx?page=4

There, click the Find Where You Vote link. Follow the steps and you'll get your precinct identification information and your polling place. That will give you the info you need.

The Secretary of State website is information central for voters.

For information about the DFL and how you can help, click this link:

http://www.dfl.org/get-involved-menu/

You'll be able to find your local DFL party organization, with contact information. It's easy to get involved, and you can help!

radhika

(1,008 posts)
69. Imagine: We could end our national nightmare in ONE well-planned day!
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:25 PM
May 2014

Even in some gerrymandered districts, a huge Dem turnout could save the day. It'll take work, but it could happen.

I have lots of issues with lots of Democrats. But we aren't touting the pros/cons of individual Democrats at this point. If we don't want impeachment, end of all safety net programs and freedom for women and minorities - ALL Repukes must be blocked.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
71. Thank you for your imagination. You're correct.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:28 PM
May 2014

The improvement would start immediately in January. Minimum wage increase? Done. Restore long-term unemployment payments? Done. Get all those Federal Court appointments ratified? Done. And that's just the beginning.

Imagine a Democratic Congress that would send bills to President Obama for his signature. I have no trouble imagining that, and that's what I'm selling to prospective voters this year.

We can make changes happen if we really want to badly enough.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
73. I will enthusiastically vote for the candidate dedicated to stop offshoring
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:37 PM
May 2014

and fight subsidies that draw working class jobs away from the US.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
75. Is that your only issue?
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:43 PM
May 2014

For me, there are numerous issues. I will vote for a candidate who represents progressive movement in many areas, even when a particular issue is one we might disagree about. When the alternative is a Republican who will certainly vote against my beliefs in almost every area, I will enthusiastically vote for a candidate who will vote in ways that have my approval, even if not in every area.

Normally, we have two viable choices. I've rarely seen a candidate who agrees with me on every issue. I don't expect to. I vote because my vote makes a difference in many areas.

To get better candidates, overall, I participate in the process of selecting, endorsing, and voting for the best candidate in the primary elections. In November, I vote for the best available candidate who can win. I never skip an election and always vote for the best candidate. That candidate is almost always a Democrat. The only time I will vote for a third party is when the Democrat has absolutely no chance to win. I will never vote for a Republican. But I will always vote. Every election. Every time.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
80. Not in most districts, no.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:57 PM
May 2014

Gerrymandering is based in part on turnout assumptions. Exceeding them breaks the paradigm and allows us to win.

There are a few districts that are in winnable. But only a few. The rest we can take.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
81. No. In some districts in some states, it may be almost
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:59 PM
May 2014

impossible to elect a Democrat in 2014. But, we don't have to win every district to regain control. A massive turnout of Democrats will win more than enough seats to have control of the House and will assure election of enough Senators to have a super majority in the Senate.

Even in states where gerrymandering has made things difficult, though, there are districts that can be flipped. If yours isn't one of those, you can do GOTV in districts that can be flipped.

But, not all states have been gerrymandered in favor of Republicans. Redistricting was done in 2011 and 2012, following the 2010 census. Districts won't change until 2021 at the earliest. So, it's even more important in those states to GOTV in districts which can be flipped. In your own area, you can also work to elect Democrats to your state legislature. Even in gerrymandered districts, a strong local candidate can turn the tables on the Republicans in state legislative races.

Whatever you can do will help, even if you can't flip your congressional district. But if 80% of Democrats actually did turn out, even gerrymandered districts could be flipped.

Number9Dream

(1,561 posts)
96. My Republican Congressman is running unopposed
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:05 AM
May 2014

Democratic leadership: Please give me a candidate to vote for.

I live and work in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania. In November, I will be voting for the Democratic candidate against Tom Corbett, as well as any other Democrats running for whatever. Our two Senators are not up for election in 2014. My Congressman is Republican, Charlie Dent. This year, he will be running unopposed by any Democratic opponents. Listening to and reading various progressive media, I'm told over and over that in order to take back the House and retain the Senate, it's up to Democratic voters to vote in November. I'd love to vote for any Democratic candidate against Charlie Dent, but the Democratic Party can't come up with a single candidate to run against Dent. The Party leadership is letting down thousands of Democratic voters, not the other way around. It makes me wonder how many other races nationwide feature unopposed Republicans.

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