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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Tue May 13, 2014, 08:19 PM May 2014

Maybe we need a DU "white persons' group".

That way we can discuss the unique challenges facing white people in America. The pain and anger of being reminded of one's white privilege. The n-word double standard. The presumed inability to jump.

Yes, I'm sure non-white people care about all these issues, but it would be nice for us white folk to be able to discuss in a dedicated forum, with people who share the same experiences. Somewhere we can talk about how we're totally so not at all racist, we're just saying...

We could also consider merging the white persons' group with the men's group. That way we cover the two most repressed elements of the US population at once. Billionaires who feel threatened by discussions of income inequality, y'all are welcome too. As are straight people marginalized by the "gay agenda". And throw in the gungeon for good measure.

Of course, we'll need a name for this new forum. Maybe something about "freedom". Or we could go with the "storm" metaphor...

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Maybe we need a DU "white persons' group". (Original Post) DanTex May 2014 OP
. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #1
I mean, this is easily the most brilliant fucking thing I've read all week around here Number23 May 2014 #58
I read the OP and all I wanted to say was... Hekate May 2014 #137
!! Number23 May 2014 #173
A link to Freeperville will do. NuclearDem May 2014 #2
Yeah. that. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #5
Luv this Dan. boston bean May 2014 #3
Thread trashed and OP ignored. For baiting the forum. TeamPooka May 2014 #4
it's about half of GD right now... ProdigalJunkMail May 2014 #8
I found one! It's one of these! Nye Bevan May 2014 #6
Don't forget about the oppressed geek tragedy May 2014 #7
So funny. nt ZombieHorde May 2014 #9
'The White Male Freedom Coalition'... alittlelark May 2014 #10
Just call it the "Root of all evil" forum AgingAmerican May 2014 #11
White man's burden forum? bravenak May 2014 #12
#WhiteMansBurden Capt. Obvious May 2014 #15
Thats my favorite. bravenak May 2014 #22
Exactly. Why do they care? Why not just use another damn word??? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #40
Have to be a part of everything. bravenak May 2014 #47
"ME! ME! ME! ME!" nomorenomore08 May 2014 #53
You shoulda seen his friends faces. bravenak May 2014 #65
Like some unholy hybrid of Jimmy the Greek and Joe Arpaio... n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #69
#WhiteMansBurden "Don't you know that TALKING about oppression is oppressing ME??!!!" Number23 May 2014 #59
just don't call any posts in the group racist, right? CreekDog May 2014 #20
Especially if they are racist. bravenak May 2014 #21
Hey! I have a black friend. He's one of the good ones, not a "N." And when I say "N" I'm not Ed Suspicious May 2014 #39
I salute you, sir! That was perfect! nomorenomore08 May 2014 #41
Are you spying on me?? bravenak May 2014 #43
Good lord! I guess the redneck comedy guys were right. You just can't fix stupid. Ed Suspicious May 2014 #44
He expected mad props. bravenak May 2014 #46
As a white guy I feel compelled to say, I'm sorry. Cringe-worthy. Ed Suspicious May 2014 #49
Don't be sorry. It was my fault entirely. bravenak May 2014 #52
His cocksure nature on the issue is pretty hilarious. He sounds every bit enlightened as my earlier Ed Suspicious May 2014 #54
For sure. bravenak May 2014 #57
And this was a face to face conversation, in front of his American Indian wife??? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #56
Yes!!!!! bravenak May 2014 #62
Of course not. "Racism" is such an antiquated, obsolete concept! DanTex May 2014 #26
it means you are "arrogant and condescending" or so I HAVE heard! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #153
how about the "white guilt group" snooper2 May 2014 #180
DU is already mostly a white person's group, like most of the country. jtuck004 May 2014 #13
I *really* didn't think the sarcasm tag was necessary on this OP. DanTex May 2014 #27
I'm probably not swift enough for you. Then again, it's ironic how even the jtuck004 May 2014 #117
It wasn't Dorian Gray May 2014 #119
Great idea! BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #14
"Hawt Underprivileged-Minority Babes"? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #45
that's a possibility...... BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #55
I mean, nothing wrong with admiring women of all races. But "admiring" and "fetishizing" are nomorenomore08 May 2014 #60
Help me off the floor will you? bravenak May 2014 #83
I don't believe my idea BainsBane May 2014 #139
"Separate but equal" hawt, ethnic babes. BainsBane May 2014 #114
Ooooh! bravenak May 2014 #140
But now that I've heard that "It's mighty white of you" is the name for the group BainsBane May 2014 #144
Oh, why not. It's the name of a residential college at Yale (without the "Caucasion") CTyankee May 2014 #174
Are you serious? BainsBane May 2014 #176
Yes, and all but two of the 12 residential colleges are named after men who CTyankee May 2014 #177
Hey, guess what BainsBane May 2014 #178
Hey, you're the second person I "know" with that kind of yale connection... CTyankee May 2014 #179
Brown University has a big connection to slavery. kwassa May 2014 #181
They've got their hawt babes BainsBane May 2014 #97
Who are those women? Number23 May 2014 #101
Yeah, those are Fox News anchors BainsBane May 2014 #110
FOX newsbabes. They're practically clones, aren't they? nt Hekate May 2014 #138
The "Whitey Writey"... Godot51 May 2014 #16
Gil Scott-Heron himself couldn't have put it better... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #50
Oh DanTex etherealtruth May 2014 #17
So how can you tell which people are white on a messageboard? undeterred May 2014 #18
"By their fruits ye shall know them." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #51
By how they look. kwassa May 2014 #66
+1 Jamaal510 May 2014 #107
Cali_Democrat can read your race, gender and sexual identity too. Skip Intro May 2014 #95
Cue Stephen Colbert caraher May 2014 #128
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #156
Here's the truth: you really can't, mostly. Not unless they identify themselves...... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #130
Oh dear ismnotwasm May 2014 #19
Ha! Iggo May 2014 #23
And "white men can't dance" BS. We'll, that may be partially true. AAO May 2014 #24
To quote a funny line from a stupid movie... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #61
Well, Phil Collins certainly can't... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #70
A Bash-White (hetero, male) forum might be more effective. Skip Intro May 2014 #25
I don't get bashed here by most here. CreekDog May 2014 #42
Indeed. nt cyberswede May 2014 #72
Maybe... Orrex May 2014 #175
People can't *always* turn the other cheek to those who mistreat them... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #71
I haven't mistreated anyone. Skip Intro May 2014 #81
Who around here "hates you for your skin color"? Like I keep saying, that's a strawman. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #84
The thread about "White people" isn't racist. Skip Intro May 2014 #96
I missed the part where black people built a whole country on the backs of white suffering. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #98
!!!! Number23 May 2014 #102
So we're back to it being ok to bash people because of skin color? Skip Intro May 2014 #103
The point is no one is being bashed "because of skin color." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #111
Like a bullshit merry-go-round. n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #112
How about the plight of women....Can I throw that one in there? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #158
And here is what YOU are soaking in... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #160
Little story for you - Skip Intro May 2014 #168
Thank you! bravenak May 2014 #104
Btw, what is the difference between straight and "(very) straight" - ? Skip Intro May 2014 #82
I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. No particular meaning, I guess, other than nomorenomore08 May 2014 #85
Oh. I thought it was to distance yourself from gayness. Skip Intro May 2014 #86
Not at all. And I've never suggested such a thing in any of my other 8900 or so posts. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #88
. Skip Intro May 2014 #89
And? You're the one who constantly downplays bigotry of nearly every kind. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #90
Links? Skip Intro May 2014 #94
Your downplaying of the bigotry (and all-around assholeness) of a certain Mr. Zimmerman? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #100
Try again, Mr. "(Very) straight" nomorenomore08. Skip Intro May 2014 #106
I enjoy the cross you've constructed for yourself. LanternWaste May 2014 #123
? Skip Intro May 2014 #135
! bravenak May 2014 #142
The Caucasian Corner AAO May 2014 #28
Perfect Roy Rolling May 2014 #48
Dixiecratic Underground? deurbano May 2014 #29
DUZY. or, maybe not… Raine1967 May 2014 #33
I got kicked out of the white straight male group a long time ago. hunter May 2014 #30
I'm all for white sulphurdunn May 2014 #31
Forum name for the oppressed white men: "No one will make my sammiches any more. I'll STARVE!" Squinch May 2014 #32
Somebody hook that guy up with a panini-maker! nomorenomore08 May 2014 #74
Ok, that made me laugh so hard I nearly peed my pants TDale313 May 2014 #87
THAT makes me happy! Squinch May 2014 #133
Hows about,,,, Cryptoad May 2014 #34
Well, white male Obama voters are a minority fbc May 2014 #35
A little introspection is never a bad thing... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #75
LOL. Brilliant. nt SunSeeker May 2014 #36
How about "White Like Me"?! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #37
The White Flight Forum. demmiblue May 2014 #38
epic. dionysus May 2014 #63
White and Right? White Takes Flight? I'm Dreaming of a White Forum? Number23 May 2014 #64
Or the 'That's damn white of you, thank you, sir!' freshwest May 2014 #93
Yeah! The name should be: That's Mighty White of You Number23 May 2014 #99
Yeah, perfect! Let's start the group right away. Oops, I'm not eligible per the OP. Oh, well... freshwest May 2014 #115
"I'm sure non-white people care about all these issues" Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #67
Well since I'm the product...... DeSwiss May 2014 #68
Yeah, Cuz the negroes have ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #73
White history? We have 11 months of that shit. White TV? Just look at every *other* channel. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #77
#whitemansburden But we don't celebrate WHITE history month and have a Ms. WHITE America!one1 Number23 May 2014 #105
Like there isn't even a men's history week BainsBane May 2014 #113
Don't forget Martin Luther Kind Day! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #161
Here ya go! MrMickeysMom May 2014 #76
did you forget this? Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2014 #78
don't hate yourself oneofthe99 May 2014 #79
Putting things in their proper perspective is not "hating yourself." n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #91
ONLY if it's broken into economic subgroups. After all, wealthy whites suffer more discrimination valerief May 2014 #80
LOL. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #146
Damn straight. I feel totally oppressed BainsBane May 2014 #92
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #108
*Grabs popcorn, blueberry slushee, and skittles.* nt Jamaal510 May 2014 #109
Per the Popeye movie... defacto7 May 2014 #116
or maybe we need to discuss the very real problem of racism TorchTheWitch May 2014 #118
Very thoughtful post. Thank you for sharing! =) AverageJoe90 May 2014 #122
Everyone on this board can simply deny they're racist, consider that all the work to be done redqueen May 2014 #131
Once you can see injustice and bias, you are then able to see the other side of the coin; privilege lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #136
Great post. Very well thought-out. nt Flatulo May 2014 #183
Nah, not really. (I have an idea of my own, btw.) AverageJoe90 May 2014 #120
Interesting gollygee May 2014 #121
"Interesting since most people at DU believe in it," That I have reason to doubt. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #124
That's not "reason to doubt". It's denial. DanTex May 2014 #125
Whatever you say, DanTex. Whatever you say. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #126
Look at the numbers of recs on threads BainsBane May 2014 #127
"Look at the numbers of recs on threads" Doesn't affect my point one bit. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #129
Wow that's a big assumption gollygee May 2014 #134
Because the only views that matter are his BainsBane May 2014 #152
LOL BainsBane May 2014 #141
"If anyone disagrees with you, they must not really exist." Not what I said. =) AverageJoe90 May 2014 #147
Where did I claim you said it? BainsBane May 2014 #148
You certainly let it slip that I implied such. Don't be dishonest. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #149
Tell me how it is you can assume BainsBane May 2014 #151
"there is a majority of people too intimidated to as a much as recommend a thread?"................. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #155
LOL BainsBane May 2014 #157
This is what you said BainsBane May 2014 #164
What you said is that recs mean nothing BainsBane May 2014 #150
"All that matters is you." And honestly, you yourself have given me that exact same impression. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #154
Numbers of recs Joe BainsBane May 2014 #163
I love this post. kwassa May 2014 #171
..... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #145
I think you're the one who is blinded gollygee May 2014 #165
But you're forgetting about AverageJoe's imaginary silent friends! DanTex May 2014 #166
Who for some unknown reason BainsBane May 2014 #172
How about a forum for those who deny it exists, and place it in the Creative Speculation area? LanternWaste May 2014 #143
Or we could ALL just accept the facts as they stand...and call it Democratic Underground and move on VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #162
Here's another advantage gollygee May 2014 #169
Oh that doesn't count either because....."our friend here" is a poor White dude! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #170
We'll call it "White Noise" n/t Scootaloo May 2014 #132
Bwahahahaha, love it! MoonRiver May 2014 #159
LOL!!! Cali_Democrat May 2014 #167
Of course white privilege exists, in the aggregate. And of course male privilege exists, in the Flatulo May 2014 #182

Number23

(24,544 posts)
58. I mean, this is easily the most brilliant fucking thing I've read all week around here
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:02 PM
May 2014

And I cheered when he suggested combining the White People's Group with the Men's Group and the Straight People Oppressed by Gays Group. One big amalgam of whining, clueless, PRIVILEGED stupidity in one group for the whole world to see. They could name it the "WAAAANNHHH!" forum.

This OP sums up the hysteria, moaning and whining over all this better than anything anyone could have typed. The responses to the white privilege threads are why so many black posters have left and the rest of us don't even bother anymore.

Hekate

(90,552 posts)
137. I read the OP and all I wanted to say was...
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:25 PM
May 2014

I feel your pain -- in the ass!

It actually is a brilliant OP.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
12. White man's burden forum?
Tue May 13, 2014, 08:57 PM
May 2014

Do it. I will laugh all day long and never post in their protected group.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
22. Thats my favorite.
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:16 PM
May 2014

People still ask me that question to this day. Why?
It's one word.

White dude used it here, and i used it back. I got alerted. So I guess they can say it if they want to. I can't though.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
53. "ME! ME! ME! ME!"
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:48 PM
May 2014

I can tell you, I was raised in a very white middle-class family during the virtual height of the "self-esteem for everyone" era (that is, the 90's) and even I am frankly astonished at the petty self-centeredness of some of these folks.

And adding insult to injury, they give folks who look like me a bad name. Which I fucking hate.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
65. You shoulda seen his friends faces.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:12 PM
May 2014

Classic. They're a multi racial group. Mouths hanging open, shocked at his little tirade.

I wasn't going to talk to him again after the roots thing, but they made him apologize, so he did.
Worst apology ever!!!!!!

You blacks can stay and work for us?? Wtf? Like he was doing me a solid. I'm going wherever 'he' ships the undesirables off to. Not staying here with him. To serve.

This is why i hate when people get all nostalgic about the past. Fun for them, drudgery for me. Yay!!!

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
39. Hey! I have a black friend. He's one of the good ones, not a "N." And when I say "N" I'm not
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:13 PM
May 2014

talking skin color, I'm talking who they are. I mean, really, plenty of white people are "Ns" just like there are plenty of black "N"s. The shiftless, lazy, brutish, pickaninnies, Uncle Toms, mammies, and the lazy whites all get that title. It's who you are not the color of your skin. I'm so tired of being lumped in with racists!


:snarkasm:



I think it's time white folks band together to cast off the oppression. I mean, it's the only way to exercise power. White Power!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
43. Are you spying on me??
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:22 PM
May 2014

I had this conversation a few days ago with a Ragnar Lodbrok dude. He was serious.
Except he want to keep the blacks ( so we can work for him wtf) and get rid of latinos.

He says that the white man was here first. His wife is Athabaskan. Her eyes constantly roll around in her head. Drives her nuts.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
44. Good lord! I guess the redneck comedy guys were right. You just can't fix stupid.
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:24 PM
May 2014


He probably thought he was paying you a heartfelt compliment. Honoring you with the concession that your people make for good slaves.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
46. He expected mad props.
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:31 PM
May 2014

He literally gave me the ol' nudge nudge wink wink. I laughed so hard, i almost peed.
He said, 'at least you're the right type of colored" big smile. ' you know english' big grin.

I had to just go inside. Too much for me right there. I felt sorry for him.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
52. Don't be sorry. It was my fault entirely.
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:43 PM
May 2014

I had already gone a round with him a few days before when he called my husband white and told him to make me watch roots. I knew what time it was.
That was his apology for the roots thing.



Never feel sorry for what dumbasses do. I am strong. Ich bin stark. You have to admit, it was funny that he was so serious.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
54. His cocksure nature on the issue is pretty hilarious. He sounds every bit enlightened as my earlier
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:57 PM
May 2014

caricature.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
56. And this was a face to face conversation, in front of his American Indian wife???
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:01 PM
May 2014

Gotta give the guy marks for sheer chutzpah, I guess, if nothing else...

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
62. Yes!!!!!
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:05 PM
May 2014

Bold as hell, full of privilege. I wish i had recorded it.
His wife....... I feel for her. She is a battered woman, so i give her a break.
Once he mooned me, i had to go., though.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
26. Of course not. "Racism" is such an antiquated, obsolete concept!
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:19 PM
May 2014

Unless you mean racism against white people...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
153. it means you are "arrogant and condescending" or so I HAVE heard!
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:55 PM
May 2014

I think that is the very definition of "uppity" don't you think?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. DU is already mostly a white person's group, like most of the country.
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:00 PM
May 2014

Just look at the discussions about white privilege. For example:

"1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
...
"

Notice how that is ALL about the white person, and many are the same. Not about the black kid who is arrested for the same behavior as the white kid who gets mostly nothing, not about the black folk who are preyed on with a higher interest rate while the President appoints people who see no need to investigate, while black people are assumed to be perpetrators and shot for things that white people do all the time...

Yet when it is discussed here, as above, it is almost always from the "I" viewpoint, from the eyes and about the feelings of the white person, never about the two-faced lie they live in not getting completely enraged as they would be if the same things happened to their family or children.

One may not like it, but it is so. Perhaps we need a completely different solution that doesn't focus, like most of our lives, on white people.


 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
117. I'm probably not swift enough for you. Then again, it's ironic how even the
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:07 AM
May 2014

sarcasm is all about the white person\people.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
14. Great idea!
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:05 PM
May 2014

We've got one for the poor oppressed men who insist that US and global trends regarding gender inequality be shouted down, because their personal feelings get hurt when we try to talk about sexism issues in the aggregate, and/or from women's life experiences.

Definitely a similar group for white people is only fair-- so they can, likewise, fume about the uppity blacks who dare insist that there are such things as statistics and shared experience.

Is there a racial equivalent of "Hawt Babes" that could also be a popular topic for OP's?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
55. that's a possibility......
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:57 PM
May 2014




I'm actually stumped, though...I can't think of a strictly racial equivalent, separate from the "<ethnic> babes are hawt to f***" angle.

Hrmmmmmm. uh......oh, wait!....err.....nope. No ideas coming to mind.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
60. I mean, nothing wrong with admiring women of all races. But "admiring" and "fetishizing" are
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:04 PM
May 2014

two quite different things.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
114. "Separate but equal" hawt, ethnic babes.
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:17 AM
May 2014

For the Plessy Ferguson Champagne Suite of Caucasian Corner.
Only the best will do for DU.


BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
144. But now that I've heard that "It's mighty white of you" is the name for the group
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:58 PM
May 2014

We might have to make the John C. Calhoun Caucasian Corner a VIP area.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
176. Are you serious?
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:09 AM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 15, 2014, 02:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Mr. slavery as a positive good has a college at Yale named for him?

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
177. Yes, and all but two of the 12 residential colleges are named after men who
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:34 PM
May 2014

held slaves. It was revealed a few years ago by a Yalie who did some research and dropped that bombshell. Kinda embarrassing. We haven't heard any more about since then...but I remember being stunned.

Here is a list of all the 12 residential colleges:

Residential colleges are named for important figures or places in university history or notable alumni; they are deliberately not named for benefactors.

Berkeley College – named for the Rt. Rev. George Berkeley (1685–1753), early benefactor of Yale.
Branford College – named for Branford, Connecticut, the town in which Yale was founded.
Calhoun College – named for John C. Calhoun, vice-president of the United States. The smallest college.
Davenport College – named for Rev. John Davenport, the founder of New Haven. Often called "D'port".
Ezra Stiles College – named for the Rev. Ezra Stiles, a president of Yale. Generally called "Stiles," despite an early-1990s crusade by then-master Traugott Lawler to preserve the use of the full name in everyday speech. Its buildings were designed by Eero Saarinen.
Jonathan Edwards College – named for theologian, Yale alumnus, and Princeton University co-founder Jonathan Edwards. Generally called "J.E." The oldest of the residential colleges, J.E. is the only college with an independent endowment, the Jonathan Edwards Trust.
Morse College – named for Samuel Morse, inventor of Morse Code. Also designed by Eero Saarinen.
Pierson College – named for Yale's first rector, Abraham Pierson.
Saybrook College – named for Old Saybrook, Connecticut, where Yale was briefly located.
Silliman College – named for noted scientist and Yale professor Benjamin Silliman. About half of its structures were originally part of the Sheffield Scientific School,
Timothy Dwight College – named for the two Yale presidents of that name, Timothy Dwight IV and Timothy Dwight V. Usually called "T.D."
Trumbull College – named for Jonathan Trumbull, 18th-century governor of Connecticut.

Gotta love that Jonathan "sinners in the hands of an angry God" Edwards!

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
178. Hey, guess what
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:17 PM
May 2014

I'm a direct descendent, on my dad's side, of Jonathan Edwards, which somehow a US history prof I TAed for knew meant I was related to Eleanor Roosevelt, though I'm not sure exactly how that family tree works. They stuck me with the Edwards as one of my middle names.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
179. Hey, you're the second person I "know" with that kind of yale connection...
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:00 PM
May 2014

My former boss was a Silliman, a direct descendent of Benjamin Silliman for whom Silliman College is named.

Cool about you being related to Eleanor Roosevelt! Kinda cancels out that grouchy old Puritan.

Here's trivia for you: Paul Krugman was a "'hounie," so not all is bad with Calhoun College...

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
181. Brown University has a big connection to slavery.
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:34 PM
May 2014
A long-awaited report on Brown University’s 18th-century links to slavery should dispel any lingering smugness among Northerners that slavery was essentially a Southern problem.

The report establishes that Brown did indeed benefit in its early years from money generated by the slave trade and by industries dependent on slavery. It did so in an era when slavery permeated the social and economic life of Rhode Island. Slaves accounted for 10 percent of the state’s population in the mid-18th century, when Brown was founded, and Rhode Island served as a northern hub of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, mounting at least 1,000 voyages that carried more than 100,000 Africans into slavery over the course of a century.

The Brown report is the latest revelation that Northern businesses and institutions benefited from slavery. Countless other institutions might be surprised, and ashamed, if they dug deeply into their pasts as Brown has over the past three years.

The Committee on Slavery and Justice, composed of faculty, students and administrators, found that some 30 members of Brown’s governing board owned or captained slave ships, and donors sometimes contributed slave labor to help in construction. The Brown family owned slaves and engaged in the slave trade, although one family member became a leading abolitionist and had his own brother prosecuted for illegal slave trading. The college did not own or trade slaves.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/23/opinion/23mon3.html?_r=0

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
97. They've got their hawt babes
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:13 AM
May 2014


I apologize for posting face pictures rather than showing them in bikinis. I'm still suffering from my Dworkonite indoctrination, which has left with me the false illusion that women are human beings. Perhaps with time and exposure to a group like the OP describes, I can overcome that brainwashing. Already the men's group has taught me that George Clooney's fiancé significance is not as a human rights attorney but rather as just another one of thousands of hawt, bikini babes. See, I am learning.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
110. Yeah, those are Fox News anchors
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:44 AM
May 2014

They all look alike, kind of like those blondes Hugh Hefner used to live with.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
128. Cue Stephen Colbert
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
May 2014

"I don't see race online, but people tell me I'm white and I believe them, because when I read the words "white privilege" I get uncomfortable and feel the need to explain why I'm a good person."

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
130. Here's the truth: you really can't, mostly. Not unless they identify themselves......
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:06 PM
May 2014

Or leave some sort of obvious clue. Anything else is just a lucky guess if right.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
42. I don't get bashed here by most here.
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:22 PM
May 2014

and I'm both.

maybe it's what one posts that gets them bashed.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
175. Maybe...
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:20 AM
May 2014
maybe it's what one posts that gets them bashed.
Sometimes it leads to accusations of "alert stalking" and claims that the DU jury system is hopelessly broken.


Tomato, tomato.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
71. People can't *always* turn the other cheek to those who mistreat them...
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:32 PM
May 2014

And I concur with CreekDog, I'm a (very) straight white dude and I've never once been "bashed" by anyone here.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
81. I haven't mistreated anyone.
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:02 AM
May 2014

Quite the opposite.

But I guess that makes it all too complicated.

Go ahead and hate me for my skin color.

In the name of equality, and the effort to end racism, of course.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
96. The thread about "White people" isn't racist.
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:56 AM
May 2014

Got it.

Here's a fun thing to do -

Substitute the word "White" for "Black" and see how non-racist it is.

Then maybe look up the word "hypocrite."

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
98. I missed the part where black people built a whole country on the backs of white suffering.
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:18 AM
May 2014

Don't like being reminded of unpleasant realities (past and present)? Tough shit!

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
103. So we're back to it being ok to bash people because of skin color?
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:25 AM
May 2014

As long as that color is White.

Racist hypocrisy?

Yes, you're soaking in it.

And you're quite a poor debater, now throwing the horrible plight of slaves up to hide behind.

Pretty disgusting move, but not surprising at this point.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
111. The point is no one is being bashed "because of skin color."
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:48 AM
May 2014

If anything, they're being criticized for their blindness to the lingering effects of racism. That's not the same thing no matter how badly you want it to be.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
160. And here is what YOU are soaking in...
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:05 PM
May 2014

Being born White and male in the U.S. is a DISTINCT advantage:

as of 2010 compared to White male's salaries in the U.S. (at 100%)

Black men 74.5% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic men 65.9% (of White males salaries)

White women 80.5% (of White males salaries)
Black women 69.6% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic women 59.8% (of White males salaries)

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
168. Little story for you -
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:35 PM
May 2014

In the last five years I have gone hungry for lack of food, finally going on food stamps. Have pawned my only car, a 98 Ford Escort with ~ 170,000 miles on it, to pay the electricity bill. Have had foreclosure proceedings started on my home twice, been sued by a hospital for non-payment of charges from an emergency visit, and continue to struggle to make ends meet. I've sold my tv, my bedroom furniture, even two sago palms from my back yard to get by. And that's just a glimpse.

Neither the grocery store, nor the electric company, nor the water company, nor the trash collectors, nor the hospital, etc., none of them offered to help me because I'm White. Not a single one.

Where was my White privilege?!

Another little bit of info for you. I grew up in a poor, predominantly Black neighborhood. Life was hard for everyone there. And nobody ever came down the street offering to liberate me and my family from poverty because we were White.

Where was my White privilege?!

Maybe my life experience compels me to point out the hypocritically racist ridicule and maligning of Whites (and heterosexuals and males and Christians, etc), like that found in the OP. Or maybe it's just that I abhor hypocrisy and hypocrites.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
85. I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. No particular meaning, I guess, other than
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:22 AM
May 2014

I'm really into women (both sexually and as people).

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
89. .
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:31 AM
May 2014

A Freudian slip, also called parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of an unconscious ("dynamically repressed&quot subdued wish, conflict, or train of thought guided by the ego and the rules of correct behaviour. They reveal a "source outside the speech". The concept is thus part of classical psychoanalysis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
90. And? You're the one who constantly downplays bigotry of nearly every kind.
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:33 AM
May 2014

While at the same time implying that white males are somehow oppressed.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
106. Try again, Mr. "(Very) straight" nomorenomore08.
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:28 AM
May 2014

That doesn't back up what you accused me of. No defense of bigotry there. Apparent to anyone who can read.

Next.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
123. I enjoy the cross you've constructed for yourself.
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:11 AM
May 2014

I really do enjoy the crosses you've constructed for yourself... they're quite imaginative and creative.

hunter

(38,302 posts)
30. I got kicked out of the white straight male group a long time ago.
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:28 PM
May 2014

It started in middle school when I got the nickname "queerbait."

I quit high school for college (I was good at taking tests) and I threw away the childhood social baggage to be my own eccentric self.

Quitting high school for college was one of my best decisions EVER.

I look back in time and all the other paths would have been hell.







 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
31. I'm all for white
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:28 PM
May 2014

male privilege. I support it so much I've become an advocate for conferring it upon everyone. If I wanted to both divide and generate resentment within the progressive movement though, I'd beat the topic of white male privilege like a drum.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
35. Well, white male Obama voters are a minority
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:51 PM
May 2014

I think white males are the only ethnic/gender group that voted in favor of Romney, so maybe we could discuss why such a high percentage of us are assholes.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
64. White and Right? White Takes Flight? I'm Dreaming of a White Forum?
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:11 PM
May 2014

This OP is bang on brilliant. Spotless.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
93. Or the 'That's damn white of you, thank you, sir!'
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:37 AM
May 2014

Good, I got that out of my system, it's been bugging me for years like the flu. And it popped up again and made me sneeze...


 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
67. "I'm sure non-white people care about all these issues"
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:17 PM
May 2014

Banana Republic ran out of khakis?

(To quote Carlin.)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
68. Well since I'm the product......
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:23 PM
May 2014

...of both Swiss and Irish slavemasters who like to hang-out in the slave quarters after dark, I suppose I'm white enough. I'm a possessor of XY chromosomes I inherited from my parents (and slavemaster ancestors) so that makes me man enough. I am an official 1/100000000th Billionaire, so I have some money and therefore can at least throw that into the Wall Street pile and lose it like any red-blooded American can. So I'm monied enough, for a micro-second anyway. I'm at least a 3.1 on the Kinsey, so that makes me officially ''straight.''

- And everyone at DU knows there's no one more gungeony here, than DeSwiss!

K&R

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
73. Yeah, Cuz the negroes have ...
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:35 PM
May 2014

Black History Month and BET, and all those other institutions that make life such for white people.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
113. Like there isn't even a men's history week
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:13 AM
May 2014

Or anything. What about white history month?

I swear to God I saw the first one on DU. It won't be long until we hear that about being persecuted by not having White History month.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
80. ONLY if it's broken into economic subgroups. After all, wealthy whites suffer more discrimination
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:02 AM
May 2014

than poorer whites.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
146. LOL.
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:27 PM
May 2014

In all seriousness, though, I doubt you'll find anyone on DU who actually believes that.....other than the occasional troll.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
92. Damn straight. I feel totally oppressed
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:36 AM
May 2014

The fact DU is 98% white isn't enough. We definitely need our own group. Having to deal with all this color is just bumming me out, man.

Response to DanTex (Original post)

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
118. or maybe we need to discuss the very real problem of racism
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:00 AM
May 2014

by calling it "racism" or "racial discrimination" instead of using a useless, divisive and alienating new "white privilege" term that very clearly has done nothing but spawn hundreds of posts of people screaming at each other comparing everyone's various privileges and non-privileges they deal with in various situations while forgetting all about talking about the very real problem of racism.

Seems to me the term "racism" or "racial discrimination" always worked out just fine here before (not to mention anywhere else we've been when the subject is discussed), and people of all hues discussed the very real problem of racism without anyone's hair going up in flames or getting totally off the subject of the very real problem of racism by instead making up lists of everyone's various privileges and non-privileges and mapping them onto any random situation.

Here's what I learned about the term "white privilege". It's bogus. And it is because though racism is a very real problem no white person is always going to be privileged over every person of color in every situation because there's a HUGE list of other privileges or non-privileges both of those people have that are going to make one more fortunate than the other depending on every single different situation and person and how much is known about them. I've been reading that 'well, all other things being equal other than race the person of color is the non-privileged one every time.' Really? You'd have to be dense as a huge ball of lead to believe that and for two reasons:

1) There ARE no two people of different races where everything else is going to be equal - EVER - because we're all extremely individual people with a plethora of both privileges and non-privileges depending upon the situation, and how much is known about us, AND...

2) There are numerous situations where being a person of color IS the one privileged by their race as in many situations where the white person is the one who is of the minority race. And there likely isn't a white person here who hasn't been in such a situation at least once in their life and learned first hand what it was like to be discriminated against because of their race. And believe it or not us white folk that have been in such situations DO have something positive to contribute about racism being a very real problem because of those situations teaching us what it FEELS like to be discriminated against for no other reason than the color of their skin.

Now, here's and idea: how about we dump this useless "white privilege" term that is CLEARLY not working to further the cause of eradicating racism much less even being able to get into that discussion at ALL and get back to discussing the very real problem of racism by talking about the very real problem of racism.



redqueen

(115,103 posts)
131. Everyone on this board can simply deny they're racist, consider that all the work to be done
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:17 PM
May 2014

on racism therefore is owned by those on the other side of the aisle, dust off their hands and move on. Secure in the knowledge that if there are any lingering issues invving racism, it's the conservatives who are the problem.

But that isn't so. And that is why the term "white privilege" exists and why it is necessary.

There have been so many posts explaining this already on this site. There are many more on other sites. Just in case you're interested

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
136. Once you can see injustice and bias, you are then able to see the other side of the coin; privilege
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:20 PM
May 2014

It doesn't work the other way 'round.

You can not get people to see privilege without first seeing others disadvantage. Attempting to put the cart before the horse prevents the people in question from seeing either disadvantage or privilege.

And yes, even among people who accept the concept, discussion leads to a huge matrix math problem for which no one can agree on the values placed in each cell. I envision it as playing the pokemon card game with no defined point system.

Unproductive conversations ensue; "My neurotypical privilege is negated by your skinny privilege!"

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
120. Nah, not really. (I have an idea of my own, btw.)
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:02 AM
May 2014

BTW, I get the sarcasm here......but if anything at all, perhaps we could build a safe haven for those people who believe in "white privilege", or any other type of "privilege" really; IMHO, that would likely solve many of our problems. Maybe we could call it the "Privilege Discussion Corner" or something? Just a thought.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
121. Interesting
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:05 AM
May 2014

since most people at DU believe in it, according to polls there have been and how many recs the threads for vs against get. It would be weird to have a corner that occupied more people than the rest of the room.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
124. "Interesting since most people at DU believe in it," That I have reason to doubt.
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:13 AM
May 2014

(Especially for literal "white privilege&quot Honestly, I didn't really start hearing about white privilege on this site until just last year, and I'd been a member since June of 2011(was lurking for a bit before that). (of course, I'd known about the concept since 2008-09 as you may have heard, and even adhered to it once.....even if I no longer do these days)

And do notice, too, that DU has 180,000+ members these days, but with only maybe a few thousand active posters. More than likely, it honestly seems that many of those people who DO believe in white privilege(especially the literalist version) are willing to be rather open about it, and in the reverse, most who don't believe don't really seem to care one way or the other. So take that as you will.



DanTex

(20,709 posts)
125. That's not "reason to doubt". It's denial.
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:31 AM
May 2014

Unless your "silent majority" are actually trolls (certainly possible), they most likely fall in line with the rest of DU. The white privilege deniers seem to be a small group of vocal conservatives -- not surprisingly, a lot of them come from the gungeon.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
127. Look at the numbers of recs on threads
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:08 AM
May 2014

They tell the story. The silent "majority" can still rec threads, you know.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
129. "Look at the numbers of recs on threads" Doesn't affect my point one bit.
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:05 PM
May 2014
The silent "majority" can still rec threads, you know.
They could. But they don't.....because they simply don't really care all that much, compared to myself and some others. And, well, I'm okay with that. However, though, I'm afraid some others are still in complete denial about how the cards are really stacked in this regard.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
134. Wow that's a big assumption
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:43 PM
May 2014

Why do you assume most people agree with you? I think there's some denial going on here but it isn't everyone but you.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
152. Because the only views that matter are his
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:55 PM
May 2014

If he doesn't believe something, he can't imagine the possibility that the view could have any validity or popularity.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
141. LOL
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:43 PM
May 2014

What you think is right. If anyone disagrees with you, they must not really exist. Even if there are only a handful of recs supporting your view and 100 on the other side, it doesn't count because the only reality is your view of the world.

That Joe, is why you don't understand people. You aren't alone. There are some others like you, and it is the best demonstration of white privilege and entitlement that exists.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
147. "If anyone disagrees with you, they must not really exist." Not what I said. =)
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:42 PM
May 2014

But then again, it's no surprise, as you seem to have a real problem with context.....

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
148. Where did I claim you said it?
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:47 PM
May 2014

No where.

Why do you assume my posts need to repeat what you say? You do that all the time with everyone. It gets no where. How about try to think about what I actually said for a change? Okay. It's a lost cause. I know. Never mind. Carry on talking to yourself. I won't interrupt.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
149. You certainly let it slip that I implied such. Don't be dishonest.
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:50 PM
May 2014

I'm afraid that it's becoming rather clear to me that you aren't just willfully blind. You seem to doing some of this stuff deliberately. Why? I dunno. But it's too obvious not to notice that something's off.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
151. Tell me how it is you can assume
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:53 PM
May 2014

there is a majority of people too intimidated to as a much as recommend a thread?

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
155. "there is a majority of people too intimidated to as a much as recommend a thread?".................
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:58 PM
May 2014

That's not what I said or implied, at all. See? You're taking my words outta context, again.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
157. LOL
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:00 PM
May 2014

Okay, Joe. You're right about everything. I'm wrong about everything. Nothing matters other than exactly what you say.

"there is a majority of people too intimidated to as a much as recommend a thread?".................





That's not what I said or implied, at all. See? You're taking my words outta context, again.


Happy now?

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
164. This is what you said
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:19 PM
May 2014
"Look at the numbers of recs on threads" Doesn't affect my point one bit.

The silent "majority" can still rec threads, you know.
They could. But they don't.....because they simply don't really care all that much, compared to myself and some others. And, well, I'm okay with that. However, though, I'm afraid some others are still in complete denial about how the cards are really stacked in this regard.


Why don't you explain how you know that.

Why do you assume it is the people who have gotten hundreds of recs who are in denial, as opposed to the side that has gotten only a few?

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
150. What you said is that recs mean nothing
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:51 PM
May 2014

You ASSUME more people think like you, EVEN when all evidence shows the contrary. You do so BECAUSE you can't conceive of a world in which you are not at it's center. There must be thousands of DUers terrified to leave a simple rec because your views are the only ones that could possibly be accurate.

The idea that you could be wrong about anything or that another point of view could predominate is something that doesn't occur to you. That is why you post and post without ever communicating. What we say is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is you.

Dealing with you is like talking to a climate change denier. Even numerical evidence means nothing to you. You don't care that you have no evidence to support your contention that more people agree with you. Evidence means nothing. That you believe it means it must be the majority view because it's the only view that matters.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
154. "All that matters is you." And honestly, you yourself have given me that exact same impression.
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:57 PM
May 2014

Because it seems to irk you so bad that someone who happens to be a (guy) feminist disagreeing with you on some of your pet topics, or whatever.

That is why you post and post without ever communicating.


That's bullshit. I'm sorry, but that's what it is. I actually have tried communicating. And that hasn't worked.....because you won't consider what I have to say, even though I've done what I can to do consider *your* viewpoints.

What we say is irrelevant


Pot, meet kettle. In all honesty, I'd like to kindly suggest that you please take a moment to reflect and gain some introspection; IMO, I think you could use some.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
163. Numbers of recs Joe
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:16 PM
May 2014

The point is a simple one: numbers of recs give a general idea of how prevalent a view is on the site.

You say you don't care about numbers of recs. Even though very few people rec threads that support your view (the threads you rec) you continue to assume your view is more popular.

Therefore it is you who are ignoring the numbers.

My view is of one person. Yours is of one person. The recs show roughly how many people support those views.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
171. I love this post.
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:43 PM
May 2014
The idea that you could be wrong about anything or that another point of view could predominate is something that doesn't occur to you. That is why you post and post without ever communicating. What we say is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is you.
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
145. .....
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:25 PM
May 2014

No offense meant, but it seems you've become so blinded by your wishful thinking that you can't see the forest for the trees.

In many cases, polls really only mean something to those who invest the intellectual and emotional energy to participate in them; this is no exception. In other words, many people don't really care all that much, even those who would outright agree with me & others of the like mind; in all honesty, I guess I would be grateful if more people were active on my side of the debate, but I realize that I am one of only a small number who actually cares enough(though in my case, I was kind of forced to make a stand, by circumstance) to make their voices heard. And I'm fine with that. But you guys don't have a lot in the way of numbers either, though.....oh, and by the way, don't confuse understanding that People of Color, women, LGBTs, etc. do still face extra stumbling blocks(something I would imagine that most people on here get), with believing that this is because white people have literal collective "privilege", because they really and truly are not quite the same thing.



gollygee

(22,336 posts)
165. I think you're the one who is blinded
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:24 PM
May 2014

Look at the threads about privilege. Many people agree with the concept, and only a handful don't. Thread after thread after thread. Why do you assume you're right about everything, with smug things like "to be honest" and "actually, the truth is" added to every post. You are really arrogant. If you read the threads, it's really clear that most people at DU agree that privilege exists, and with it being called privilege. And I've found the same with progressive groups of people IRL.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
166. But you're forgetting about AverageJoe's imaginary silent friends!
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:26 PM
May 2014

If you count those, then it's nearly unanimous that privilege is a myth and white people are the real victims!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
143. How about a forum for those who deny it exists, and place it in the Creative Speculation area?
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:54 PM
May 2014

How about a forum simply for those who deny it exists, and place it in the Creative Speculation area? Which would then solve many more problems...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
162. Or we could ALL just accept the facts as they stand...and call it Democratic Underground and move on
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:15 PM
May 2014

but some refuse to accept the facts....like these

Being born White and male is a DISTINCT advantage:

as of 2010 compared to White male's salaries in the U.S. (at 100%)

Black men 74.5% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic men 65.9% (of White males salaries)

White women 80.5% (of White males salaries)
Black women 69.6% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic women 59.8% (of White males salaries)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
169. Here's another advantage
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:58 PM
May 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/nyregion/17felons.html?_r=0

White men with prison records receive far more offers for entry-level jobs in New York City than black men with identical records, and are offered jobs just as often - if not more so - than black men who have never been arrested, according to a new study by two Princeton professors.

The study, the first to assess the effect of race on job searches by ex-convicts, also found that black men who had never been in trouble with the law were about half as likely as whites with similar backgrounds to get a job offer or a callback.

Black men whose job applications stated that they had spent time in prison were only about one-third as likely as white men with similar applications to get a positive response.

For every 10 white men without convictions who got a job offer or callback, more than 7 white men with prison records also did, the study found. But the difference grew far larger for black applicants: For every 10 black men without criminal convictions, only about 3 with records got offers or callbacks.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
170. Oh that doesn't count either because....."our friend here" is a poor White dude!
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:02 PM
May 2014

If there is even one poor White dude....then White privilege doesn't exist......or something!

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
182. Of course white privilege exists, in the aggregate. And of course male privilege exists, in the
Sun May 18, 2014, 03:41 PM
May 2014

Last edited Sun May 18, 2014, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)

aggregate. But one aspect of privilege that I haven't seen discussed is physical beauty and health. Maybe this has been covered, but I missed it.

I was born scrawny and homely, with a spine and chest deformity that left me hunched over my entire life. I was teased, bullied and beaten quite regularly as a kid for being small, bent and odd.

I was defecated on by a bunch of kids when I was about 10 years old. Think about that. A bunch of guys held me down while one big old white fat ass took a fucking shit right in my face, and then rubbed it in so that it went into my eyes and mouth.

Just think about that.

Teenage years weren't much better. Girls pitied me, at least those who even noticed me. I couldn't play any sports, even though I tried. I was too slow, weak and small. I was clever, smart and funny, but no one knew or cared.

Dad was a raging alcoholic who hated me for how I looked and compared to other kids. He beat the shit out of me regularly, too.

It wasn't all bad - because I was pretty smart, I was able to get into a top notch engineering school and had an excellent career and made a fuck-ton of money, and no doubt being a white male didn't hurt. But in the workplace, my managers were always 6' tall, handsome white guys, except for one 6' tall handsome black guy. (You can research this yourself - leadership positions almost always go to tall, attractive folk.). I knew I'd never leave the dark cubicle for an office with a window.

So yeah, white/male privilege exists, but you know what? I don't give one single solitary iota of a fuck, because at the end of the day, life really is a beauty contest, no matter what color or gender or orientation you are.

And just like white, male or any other kind of innate privilege, it is absolutely impossible for the beneficiaries to recognize it, because it's all they've known their entire lives.

I'm retired now, disabled because of my spine deformity, and I can barely walk, and finally I've reached equality with my peers. But the first 20 or so years of my life were pure hell.

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