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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStories of Karl Rove being a child molester are untrue
That headline is an example of how you start a rumor which becomes self perpetuating. And Karl Rove is a master at it. Its a tactic hes been using his entire career.
His recent attack on Hillary, while ridiculous, will have many wingnuts believing she actually has a brain injury from that fall she took a while back. And it will seep through to those who pay no attention to politics.
We can expect such attacks against Hillary to be launched daily now by Fox news, hate radio, and the rest of the Republican propaganda machine. Theyre already blaming her for the kidnapping of the girls in Nigeria.
Truth means nothing to Republicans. They will just make up any piece of shit and then use their echo chamber to repeat, repeat, repeat.
We Dems dont currently have the means to counter their never-ending lies. But wed better figure out a way pretty damn soon.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Cyrano
(15,035 posts)This is the guy who engineered the stolen election in 2000 and got Bush Jr. "reelected" in 2004 by stealing the Ohio vote.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)i don't underestimate him but he's still a Turdblossom.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)I wonder if any of my friends know anything about it. I have a couple of friends from Texas. They may know more about it.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Karl Rove defines the rightwing whether that be a moderate republican or a teaparty terrorist i.e. American Taliban...
progressoid
(49,976 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Sandusky was one of Bush Sr's 1000 Points Of Light. And according to the deceased ex CIA Director William Colby in a forward to the book The Franklin Cover Up Dick Cheney was involved with pedophilia and ritual occult practices that harmed children. Read it yourself folks. The book is by Nebraska state senator John De Camp.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)where you can read it, but since I don't know if they are authorized by John DeCamp, the author, I won't post them. I believe they are, because he has been very good about releasing it to get the story told, but I really don't want to risk getting banned.
Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)Or older than three for that matter but that's below the fold.
ashling
(25,771 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)planetc
(7,805 posts)also unconfirmed? Good to know these things.
Hekate
(90,641 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)How you handle lies? Talk about them!
"Fox News: The guys who brought you Mustardgate." (Google it.)
eggplant
(3,911 posts)Response to Cyrano (Original post)
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malaise
(268,910 posts)His mother committed suicide when she realized that she had spawned that evil scumbag.
2naSalit
(86,527 posts)sNewt Gingrich's mom... she actually hated her son because he was such a d*ckwad. And she says so in no uncertain terms.
There used to be a documentary of her relating what he was like to his family... I tried to find it a couple years ago but no luck. I know a couple college professors who might have it on VHS but otherwise, can't find it online.
But I digress.
malaise
(268,910 posts)I just 'heard a rumor' about why.
well, too bad for the family...
I think sNewt's mom just smoked herself into oblivion.
malaise
(268,910 posts)Strange indeed that both mothers chose that way out,
2naSalit
(86,527 posts)lost some folks that way. I have an ugly-demon-nightmare-evil-brother-from-hell but my mom is still around, in her late 80s. Glad she didn't blame herself or bail in such a way.
The brother can go back to the non-physical form anytime, he's done enough damage.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He is a snake. He has harmed many through policy, including children, all while attempting to keep his hands clean.
2naSalit
(86,527 posts)He's repeatedly molested an entire nation over and over! In fact, he does it every time he shows up on the TeeVee and opens his face.
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)lastlib
(23,208 posts)(not that he's lacking............)
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)His karma will catch up to him.
Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Ev'ryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When you're ev'rywhere
Come and get your share
John Lennon
FSogol
(45,473 posts)hatrack
(59,583 posts)And you know, where there's smoke, there's fire!
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)had been in the hospital 30 days. To correct that lie, one would have to acknowledge the story and answer to it. This way he gets that out there, and either doesn't have it corrected or has it corrected and that opens up the door to legitimacy of the claim.
BTW, why in hell would a a WH reporter actually repeat the 30 day claim when asking the question? How irresponsible is that? It just goes to show the press is in the pockets of the Republican party. It's one thing to ask about Rove's insane claim, quite another to repeat something they know is a lie.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)aiding and abetting the Republican echo chamber. From the Sunday morning "news" shows, to the op-ed pages of The NY Times and The Washington Post, to the White House press corps, lies go unchallenged.
The days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Kronkite are long gone. News has become spin and true journalism has become rare. Some of the best journalism today is found at online sites that the general public never gets to see or read.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)sailfla
(239 posts)Stir the pot and people will watch
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I mean, where there is smoke there's fire. I certainly cannot personally verify that they are not true.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)You won't find me talking about Rove being a sex offender. Nope. Not going to happen.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,900 posts)He's trying to stop but sometimes the temptation is too great.
japple
(9,819 posts)real sure.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)He has never denied these charges,
or offered any proof that the claims he is a child molester are untrue.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Cyrano
(15,035 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)People with political connections can get away with anything.
Rush Limbaugh got busted smuggling Viagra into an country KNOWN for Underage Male Prostitution,
and was never prosecuted.
This thing with Karl Rove is just another example.
MADem
(135,425 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)just saying...
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)At the present time, Rove has not replied to any inquiries. Hmmm.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)can't entirely be disproved, raising questions about these supposed dietary indiscretions.
They_Live
(3,231 posts)so what does that tell you? Hmmm?
madokie
(51,076 posts)I think he is
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Well, he did go through a furry phase, but I'm pretty sure he limited that to over-18 furries. I think. It's hard to know for sure because the costumes obscure faces. And as far as I know, he's put his furry past behind him, although my friend knows a guy who sees Rove in his building sometimes and he says he did see him with a very large chipmunk recently.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)a Teabagger orgy could be called a furry with the fringe on top?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I think it is pretty safe to conclude that that was Donald Trump. That's what I've heard, anyway.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Or that people on Conservative Cave fuck goats.
I'm just asking questions. Have they denied any of it? What do they have to hide?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)so maybe it's not true.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)We would have had a VP in charge for a while had she been POTUS. If she gets past the primary then her VP choice will be critical (Kerry and Biden have the gravitas, but why would Biden want to do another term as VP would boggle me, and I'm not sure Kerry would want the number 2 seat either. To bad John Edwards turned out to be John Edwards and not the guy we thought he would be.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)their medical records. (But who knows if they release everything?)
As far as a running mate for VP, we Dems have a "deep bench" of sane, capable people. The Republican's, on the other hand, have a "deep asylum" of crazies and those who pretend to be crazy to satisfy their base of know nothings.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Never against for Prez nor VP. i dont want either. Non about him i do love him deeply. But I dont want him to be Swiftboated again...
UncleYoder
(233 posts)of a goatfucker in the next town over, and he wears the
same style glasses that Karl does. I submit this as proof
that Karl is a goatfucker, but I could be mistaken.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)were never going to vote for Hillary anyway.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)a relatively small group of (real) undecided voters could make the difference. (Ohio is a good example.)
There are millions of people in America who pay no attention to politics, but they do hear some of the Republican's endless repetition of lies. Such voters have nothing against which to measure those lies and are therefore vulnerable to thinking they may be true. And that just might swing their votes.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)But I think Hillary's going to win by a very wide margin.
Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)We may never know--cover-ups DO happen, after all....
randr
(12,409 posts)Nor has he denied his sexual perversions
merrily
(45,251 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Not sure if this would work, but if we could get enough people to agree on a hashtag like the one above, we might get it to "trend" on Twitter.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Cyrano
(15,035 posts)But then Rove just might sue Twitter. He's got the Koch brothers' money backing the propaganda sewer he operates named American Crossroads.
kairos12
(12,852 posts)onecaliberal
(32,816 posts)rumors have never been either confirmed or denied.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)I don't know how many children and animals Karl Rove has molested.
They_Live
(3,231 posts)how many victims there might be.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Remember the male prostitute, Jeff Gannon, who visited the WH more than most of the members of Congress during W's reign? The rumor was that he was there for Rove AND W. They never answered the questions as to why he was even at the WH. He was featured on male prostitute magazines, in almost nude poses. Maybe the stories of Karl's homosexuality are true?
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,850 posts)I wondered if shrub was holding Jeff down for his friend Rove... Jeff was for hire, and I saw a picture of him nude, besides the one with him in his briefs and 'dog tags' (Fake, as he had never enlisted.)
marble falls
(57,073 posts)Cyrano
(15,035 posts)this rumor got started.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)An election stoler. A dem candidate molester. And a democracy rapist. Period
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)No, it's true. I read it on the Internet.
eppur_se_muova
(36,258 posts)Cyrano
(15,035 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Don't believe me? Just google "Karl Rove child molester" over and over and over.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)at what is found. Only the NSA knows for sure.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Why wouldn't he hand it over if he has nothing to hide, right?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Not that I would want anything illegal to happen to Karl.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Some people think it is and where there is smoke there is fire!
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)In fact...I seem to recall Hilary Clinton using THAT one against Barack Obama. Wasn't it the Clinton Campaign who leaked that picture of him in the Kenyan robes, and then when asked whether she thought he was a Muslim on 60 minutes, she replied "He's not a Muslim...as far as I know." Or "He CLAIMS he's not, and I have no reason to doubt him."
There are a few Democrats who know how to play that game, when they think it's justified. And, I hate to say it, but against today's 'Nixonland' Republicans, it's justified.
The truth is that trying to COUNTER the streams of manufactured lies is a WASTE OF TIME. The only way to deal with these people is to keep them back on their heels with a stream of lies that THEY have to defend against. The best defense is a good offense.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)we don't have their echo chamber. They have Fox "news," hate radio, and daily talking points that all Republicans and their pundits repeat, repeat, repeat.
All we have is MSNBC, a few liberal radio pundits, and Jon Stewart. And to make it worse, elected Dems are never on the same page.
The result is that it's all but impossible to beat them at spreading lies and propaganda.
The only solace I find in this is that Republicans have always been on the wrong side of history. And over time, (often a long time), we beat them.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)Back in 1860 when they were a LIBERAL party, and they had the liberal idea of ending slavery (while conservatives whined about it damaging the economy, hurting the 'job creators,' and trampling States Rights). The last remnants of the rational, liberal Republican Party vanished during the Southern Strategy of the 1960s.
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)the entire South went from being Democrats to being Republicans. Johnson said that in signing the act, "We'll lose the South for a generation." He was wrong. It's been about 50 years now, a lot more than one generation.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)the South as a whole (ie-as an exemplar of modern Republican values) as an election strategy; rather than praising Southern Democrats (like Al Gore, Wes Clark, or even Bill Clinton) as models of what the South COULD and SHOULD BE.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)All top dems who endoresed Obama on a ennemy list.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)"Time for some traffic problems in New Mexico."
Beartracks
(12,807 posts)Someone should ask him, so we can be sure.
(Just an example of "do you still beat your wife"...)
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nikto
(3,284 posts)Karl Rove may still be a child molester.
There should be an investigation to clear him.
If it can clear him.
chknltl
(10,558 posts).....fact checking. So has Karl Rove sought professional psychiatric help for that pedophilia sickness?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)30 days in a row as he passed the park on his way to work. He also wears eyeglasses, and some pedophile, somewhere, also wears glasses.
calimary
(81,209 posts)I'm not saying he's a child molester, but I've heard people talk...
Just like cliven bundy would, I just WONDER...
As Nancy Reagan used to say - "people are talking!"
TWO can play at that game, kkkarl. Be careful what you unleash, pal.
concreteblue
(626 posts)"SInce I try to keep up with politics, people have been asking me: "Is Karl Rove a child Molester?"
I don't know, but as far as I can tell, some people are saying he IS a child molester. While there are no photos of Karl Rove Molesting children, some people say he prefers pre-schoolers to adolescents. And, it MUST be pointed out, the Mr. ROve has NOT denied the story......
We will have a two hour panel discussion on Mr. Roves alleged child molestations on the 10 o'clock show......."
With a picture of "Ham Rove".....
I think this ios a great idea to point out the idiocy and hypocrisy of the CONservative machine, as well as have bit o fun at their expense....
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Using the same strategy?
Cyrano
(15,035 posts)Basically, the Republican echo chamber is a vast propaganda machine. They spent many years building it and we can't match it.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Offering more proof that the clown car is alive and well!
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)very dangerous and should be in a maximum security prison.
Cha
(297,126 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)certain.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)How long does it take a person earning $7.25 per hour to earn $200,000 (before taxes).
27,586.20 hours or about 13 years.
How can a person who earns in one evening's speech what a minimum wage-earner earns in 13 years understand what matters to the large percentage of Americans who now earn minimum wage.
Let's do the numbers again assuming a minimum wage of $15 per hour.
Takes the worker 13,333.33 hours or approximately 6 years plus to earn $200,000.
We have a problem. Hillary needs to demonstrate to us that her loyalties are to all of us, to those of us earning minimum wage as well as to those of us earning Wall Street millions.
Considering her record, her affection for H1-B visas, her close ties to Wall Street, etc., it is going to be difficult. She talks the talk, but she has not shown that she will walk the walk.
She has not strongly supported unions.
On the other hand, Elizabeth Warren is a strong supporter of the middle class and knows what it is to be a struggling mother with a kid in a sub-standard day care and very little money.
I support Elizabeth Warren for president.
If Hillary stood up for little people and didn't just talk about the poor, if she had a background as a union organizer, or an advocate for ordinary people facing bankruptcy, if she had any of the experience that Elizabeth Warren has that is relevant to the concerns of Americans today, then I would support her.
She is vulnerable to lies and gossip because people don't especially warm up to her. I'm sure she is very nice, but she does not have Bill Clinton's personality. Sorry. Gossip is horrible. But gossip is most easily believed if you don't like the person in the first place.
Hillary was a good Secretary of State, but if you think she will be given credit for that, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Hillary was a loyal wife, but if you think she will be given credit for that . . . .
And then every error that Bill Clinton made, and he made some doozies like the repeal of Glass-Steagall will be held against Hillary. That's not gossip. That's the record. That's not a lie.
NAFTA, Glass-Steagall, the dot.com mania, the reappointment of Greenspan, the overheating of the economy, the changes in the welfare laws that came to harm a lot of people when unemployment was high, all these things and more will be topics for partisan politics if we nominate Hillary. It may not seem fair, but it is reality.
If the Republicans nominate a really bad candidate, Hillary will win. But if they nominate someone rational, it will be a tough race and Hillary could easily lose. I'm sorry to bear the bad news, but let's don't give the Republicans the chance to run on past sins.
Let's run on economic issues and fairness, on what is happening to the middle class thanks to the Republicans in Congress and the Bush administration tax policies.
Let's run on the misdeeds of Wall Street, not their money.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)He's a joke. It's hard to say who is more trustworthy at this point - Karl Rove or Dick Morris.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)maybe he is Dr. Bunsen from the Muppet Show?
WhiteTara
(29,702 posts)LLD
(136 posts)Up until recently anyway... and now if Hillary Clinton is involved, she takes the blame. Enjoy the rest Obama, they are after Hillary Clinton right now. I have a feeling if we lose the Senate and they hold onto the the House, that she won't be running anyway. So all this acts as a distraction to the 2014 midterms.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)have you?
Sounds like of suspicious to me.
sobenji
(316 posts)Maybe not
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)From now on, just to 'prime the pump.'
liberaltrucker
(9,129 posts)Nope, didn't happen.
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)struggle4progress
(118,274 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)I believe that may be true.
Karl Rove--child abuser?
Child molester?
Some say...
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)If it ever happened and he was convicted, he'd end up spending his last days rotting in a prison. And I'd send him letters reminding him what an asshole he is.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Rove denies it completely. Says he hates rye.
IronLionZion
(45,421 posts)I have yet to meet any child who states they have NOT had the turdblossom treatment so we can't be too careful now can we?
Please think of the children.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)that pervert.
Rex
(65,616 posts)See what I did there?
freebrew
(1,917 posts)pasty white/pink skin, beady little eyes, and the drooling.
It all adds up.
KILL FOX NEWS!!!
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Some people say that Karl Rove is a pedophile
Some people say that Karl Rove enjoys sex with children
Some people say that Karl Rove kills children after raping them
certainot
(9,090 posts)Their lies only work on a national scale because the left ignores 1200 coordinated lying machines reaching 50 mil a week.
1) Right wing radio has been successful because it has been ignored. Use the latest transcription software to make transcripts of the major local RW talkers available for searching and reading.
Snowtape (about $30) allows recording of multiple talk radio streams. Macspeech Scribe (about $150) allows 6 different trainable voice profiles. It's not perfect but will allow searches for particular words and memes to identify when they're locally or nationally lying about your issue or candidate.
For some reason snowtape sometimes won't import from the feeds usually provided by the stations but this seems to work: Plug the station call letters into http://www.radio-locator.com/, click on the station feed and it should open in itunes. In itunes click on get info, then click edit url. Copy that url and paste into the import to snowtape field. Record then export to itunes which will convert so you can open in Macspeech. There may be an easier way and other software but that seems to work.
Lies and distortions can be responded to in other media, or with picketing at stations, BEFORE they hurt Democratic candidates and progressive causes. Most advertising the GOP and its candidates do is built on and reinforced by lies and distortions popularized and made acceptable with the unchallenged repetition that only talk radio is capable of. Correcting the talk radio gods and their propaganda publicly will reduce the effectiveness of those ads and the numbers of disinterested fence-sitters the dittoheads and teabaggers can mobilize on election day.
2) More than 28% of Limbaugh stations piggyback publicly funded schools. I don't think the RW radio monopoly can survive without its parasitic relationship with our institutions of higher learning. Shame colleges and universities that broadcast sports on RW radio stations. Get them to honor their mission statements and look for apolitical alternatives. The benefits those schools get from their associations with the loudest stations in the state pale in comparison to the damage RW radio has helped shills like Walker do. The RW stations and their talkers use college sports logos to boost their community credibility and attract advertisers while they help ALEC and the Koch brothers and their candidates defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and unions and Democratic candidates, and deny global warming and other science. Those stations also weigh in on elections of regents and the short lists of candidates for school presidents. The radio component of the media licensing revenue a school receives (usually packaged with all media) may be minuscule compared to total licensing revenues and schools need to be asked to reveal those details. What's the price to get a university to trash its own mission statement? The amount may be surprisingly small.
3) Support the Rush Limbaugh boycott efforts and extend it to all advertisers on right wing stations. Most stations include some innocuous and apolitical programming during the week but they are primarily part of the larger RW propaganda operation. Any damage done to progressive radio will made up for many times over as the right wing radio monopoly disintegrates and stations become available.
4) Where appropriate, include radio stations and talk show hosts in peaceful protests. For 25 years a few hundred RW talkers with big soapboxes have attacked, distorted, and sabotaged the citizen activism of millions- with little protest or acknowledgment from the 'Left' or it's organizations. Protests at state capitols are routinely minimized by the state RW stations and their carnival barkers. Those attacks can continue long after the protestors go home. Almost any major issue is appropriate, from social justice and equality, fair wages, global warming, the Keystone XL pipeline, fracking, media and election reform, voter suppression, gun control, wall street, and political corruption. All could legitimately be picketed at those giant megaphones - the true source of 'popular' power of the new irrational Republican Party. Media and politicians used to being intimidated and enabled by RW radio and its made-to-order think tank talk radio constituencies, will notice.