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Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:58 AM May 2014

Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are untrue

That headline is an example of how you start a rumor which becomes self perpetuating. And Karl Rove is a master at it. It’s a tactic he’s been using his entire career.

His recent attack on Hillary, while ridiculous, will have many wingnuts believing she actually has a brain injury from that fall she took a while back. And it will seep through to those who pay no attention to politics.

We can expect such attacks against Hillary to be launched daily now by Fox “news,” hate radio, and the rest of the Republican propaganda machine. They’re already blaming her for the kidnapping of the girls in Nigeria.

Truth means nothing to Republicans. They will just make up any piece of shit and then use their echo chamber to repeat, repeat, repeat.

We Dems don’t currently have the means to counter their never-ending lies. But we’d better figure out a way pretty damn soon.

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Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are untrue (Original Post) Cyrano May 2014 OP
Naw! He's just a Turdblossom. hobbit709 May 2014 #1
Don't underestimate him Cyrano May 2014 #3
He also stole the election from Ann Richards here in 94. hobbit709 May 2014 #13
there is no evidence Karl Rove molested children in 1994. nt arely staircase May 2014 #102
I have never heard that before. xxqqqzme May 2014 #127
100% correct, Ohio was so stolen it makes me sick, and "Some People Say Karl is a Rapist" randys1 May 2014 #27
I thought he was a ham loaf progressoid May 2014 #16
His Friends Are Though billhicks76 May 2014 #99
There are several links Aerows May 2014 #140
I personally have never seen him molest any child younger than three Xipe Totec May 2014 #2
So, just the 3 yr old? ashling May 2014 #133
That's Numberwang! Xipe Totec May 2014 #134
so the photo of him being extremely rude to a sheep is ... planetc May 2014 #4
We haven't seen the long-form sheep yet. nt Hekate May 2014 #81
"Well, MY cereals are asbestos-free!" DetlefK May 2014 #5
My microwave popcorn is labeled "100% whole grain" n/t eggplant May 2014 #116
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #6
I heard another rumor malaise May 2014 #7
I thought that was 2naSalit May 2014 #109
Rove's mother did commit suicide malaise May 2014 #110
Oh 2naSalit May 2014 #112
Suicide is horrible for families malaise May 2014 #113
It is... 2naSalit May 2014 #114
KKKarl's not a hands-on child abuser; he does it through policy. Scuba May 2014 #8
Policy that he works on and others sign. NCTraveler May 2014 #29
He's a repeat offender! 2naSalit May 2014 #111
Does that make Rush Limbaugh any less of a junkie pedophile? lpbk2713 May 2014 #9
No. He's still 100% that. nt valerief May 2014 #93
No, just gives him more company at G(reedy) O(ld) P(erv) conventions..... lastlib May 2014 #121
more mac an cheese, open free bars & pulled pork sammies for him!! Sunlei May 2014 #10
Some people say.... FSogol May 2014 #11
I don't have any evidence myself, but I have heard some people say it hatrack May 2014 #122
He's planted a seed. That is what he wanted. He also wanted people to actually believe Hillary okaawhatever May 2014 #12
The msm has been Cyrano May 2014 #15
+100 nt okaawhatever May 2014 #17
Its all about money and ratings sailfla May 2014 #56
But with so many people discussing these child molestation charges, can they all be false? Doctor_J May 2014 #14
Well, personally, I'm going to stop mentioning that Rove is a child molester. Arugula Latte May 2014 #23
His being a child molester is an allegation which Karl Rove prefers not to discuss publicly. GoneFishin May 2014 #39
Oh give him a break Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #108
I think he stopped beating his wife, too, but not japple May 2014 #117
I know what you mean. bvar22 May 2014 #57
Some people say Karl Rove paid off children he molested, he bought their silence. nt MADem May 2014 #59
Sounds like something the IRS might look into Cyrano May 2014 #60
That sounds plausible to me. bvar22 May 2014 #61
I wonder if Karl Rove's Viagra Prescription is under a pseudonym as well? nt MADem May 2014 #65
Well...it does lead one to wonder if this was the reason for his wife divorcing him.... arthritisR_US May 2014 #71
---- BREAKING NEWS ---- Cyrano May 2014 #18
Although some say the allegations of cannibalism deutsey May 2014 #19
I haven't heard him deny it yet, They_Live May 2014 #20
I don't believe it madokie May 2014 #21
Of course they're untrue. He's more into sheep, goats, and other domesticated livestock. Arugula Latte May 2014 #22
I wonder if a furry at Cyrano May 2014 #25
... Arugula Latte May 2014 #30
Sure that furry critter wasn't Donald Trump? lpbk2713 May 2014 #33
Well, Donald Trump hasn't denied that accusation, so Arugula Latte May 2014 #73
No goat has come forward to deny the charges n/t sarge43 May 2014 #34
self deleted.. I thought I saw a mention of El Pigbo.. my bad Ghost in the Machine May 2014 #92
Almost as ridiculous as saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990. NuclearDem May 2014 #24
They say he fucks goats, but there aren't any photos The Velveteen Ocelot May 2014 #26
The goats like to keep their aaaaaaaanonimity. Arugula Latte May 2014 #95
Her fall is going to be an issue. I probably should be too. Exultant Democracy May 2014 #28
All candidates for president release Cyrano May 2014 #44
no Kerry will not run. mylye2222 May 2014 #53
I happen to know UncleYoder May 2014 #31
Yeah, but the only people that will believe this bullshit MynameisBlarney May 2014 #32
In very close election states, Cyrano May 2014 #36
You're of course, correct. MynameisBlarney May 2014 #40
I'd be inclined to edit it to: Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are not yet proved. n/t Gore1FL May 2014 #35
Fair point--we really do not know for certain if Karl Rove is a child molester... or not. MADem May 2014 #67
Charges of child molestation have yet to be dismissed randr May 2014 #37
The Big Lie. Tell it big, loud And proud. No matter what, it will stick with some people forever. merrily May 2014 #38
I am not aware of any facts which disprove the stories. GoneFishin May 2014 #41
#RoveNotAPedophile JEFF9K May 2014 #42
#RovePedophiliaNotYetConfirmed GoneFishin May 2014 #43
Good idea. It has the potential to go viral Cyrano May 2014 #49
His mug could empty a city park full of kids. kairos12 May 2014 #45
To be fair onecaliberal May 2014 #46
Honestly, xfundy May 2014 #47
No one can be sure They_Live May 2014 #54
Some say they number in the multi-hundreds. Arugula Latte May 2014 #55
To be fair, I should give the other side to that: Others say it is only several dozen. Arugula Latte May 2014 #84
Rove Scarsdale May 2014 #48
I try to mention Jeff Gannon whenever the discussion turns to Monica Lewinsky. JEFF9K May 2014 #66
I thought of Jeff Gannon when I read Randys1, post 27 AnotherDreamWeaver May 2014 #123
I heard it whispered by others it is also untrue that he fondled small creatures for sexual relief. marble falls May 2014 #50
Benghazi was mentioned as the location where Cyrano May 2014 #51
KKKARL Rove is a political terrorist mylye2222 May 2014 #52
Karl Rove *is* a child molester. Feral Child May 2014 #58
Child molester or misunderstood loner ? The truth lies somewhere in between. nt eppur_se_muova May 2014 #62
I guess it's a case of We Report, You Decide Cyrano May 2014 #63
KARL ROVE IS not A CHILD MOLESTER. arely staircase May 2014 #64
I think Anonymous should take a peek at his personal computer. We might be surprised (or not) rhett o rick May 2014 #68
If he doesn't hand over his computer, we'll know for sure he is a child molester. Arugula Latte May 2014 #85
I am thinking along the lines of "The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo". rhett o rick May 2014 #105
We counter it by enacting policies Americans want. Read: NO COSTLY TPP! grahamhgreen May 2014 #69
It might be true! zappaman May 2014 #70
Other Examples: Karl Rove Is Not A Child Molester, As Far As I Know. TrollBuster9090 May 2014 #72
Even if we adapted their tactics, Cyrano May 2014 #75
Well, to be fair, they've been on the right side of history...ONCE. TrollBuster9090 May 2014 #76
When Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act, Cyrano May 2014 #78
Very true. But to be fair (not to mention ironic) the Democrats have HELPED. Mainly by belittling TrollBuster9090 May 2014 #80
Yes. and dont forget they put mylye2222 May 2014 #77
Yep, starting with Bill Richardson. TrollBuster9090 May 2014 #79
Has Karl Rove ever denied being a child molester? Beartracks May 2014 #74
I think... nikto May 2014 #126
Yeah but Fox 'News' has a restraining order against..... chknltl May 2014 #82
I didn't say Karl Rove was a child molester. I said he was seen in the vicinity of small children, silvershadow May 2014 #83
Well, since that side loves lies so much, let's contribute a few! calimary May 2014 #86
posted this to FB concreteblue May 2014 #87
So, why aren't Dems neutralizing him Helen Borg May 2014 #88
see post #75 above Cyrano May 2014 #89
But then we have Bill Clinton to turn the lies into hilarious jokes. MoonRiver May 2014 #90
A modern day Rasputin The Wizard May 2014 #91
Yeah, Rove is a sick asshole who is a molester of the truth. nt Cha May 2014 #94
Chances are that his odd behavior is not explained by syphilitic dementia, but one can never be Thor_MN May 2014 #96
That Hillary got paid $200,000 each for two speeches to Wall Street rich guys is absolutely true. JDPriestly May 2014 #97
it means karl rove isn't a child molester nt arely staircase May 2014 #100
He isn't a heroin addict either n/t eridani May 2014 #98
Karl Rove couldn't master flipping burgers at McDonalds. chrisa May 2014 #101
Well he thinks he's a doctor .. SummerSnow May 2014 #103
Well, I did just read about him being a child molester. nt. WhiteTara May 2014 #104
I like how they always point out that the buck stops with Obama LLD May 2014 #106
I have not heard Rove deny that he's a child molester, though NewJeffCT May 2014 #107
Did I hear that Glenn Beck killed a girl in 1990? sobenji May 2014 #115
I'm tempted to put your headline as a footnote to every posting I make . . . MrModerate May 2014 #118
He and Glen Beck did NOT rape and murder a girl in 1990 liberaltrucker May 2014 #119
I have a link to support this OP! stonecutter357 May 2014 #120
Well, Rove certainly should address these allegations struggle4progress May 2014 #124
I thought Karl Rove's being a child-molester it had been verifed nikto May 2014 #125
This is right up there with this gem... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #128
It distracts from the boatload of other things he SHOULD be investigated for davidpdx May 2014 #129
Reports say he enjoys shit on rye, but BigBearJohn May 2014 #130
How do you know? Where is the proof he hasn't done it? IronLionZion May 2014 #131
Karl Rove child molester, wow. Keeping my granddaughters away from B Calm May 2014 #132
True and all those rumors about Karl Rove being a dog fucker are unfounded. Rex May 2014 #135
Well, he still looks like a child molester... freebrew May 2014 #136
Some people say that Karl Rove is a child molester Tom Ripley May 2014 #137
four ways Democrats and progressives can challenge the talk radio lying before the 2014 elections certainot May 2014 #138
One popular internet site has over 100 comments about unconfirmed rumors that Rove is a pedophile. GoneFishin May 2014 #139

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
3. Don't underestimate him
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:02 AM
May 2014

This is the guy who engineered the stolen election in 2000 and got Bush Jr. "reelected" in 2004 by stealing the Ohio vote.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
13. He also stole the election from Ann Richards here in 94.
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:23 AM
May 2014

i don't underestimate him but he's still a Turdblossom.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
127. I have never heard that before.
Thu May 15, 2014, 04:00 AM
May 2014

I wonder if any of my friends know anything about it. I have a couple of friends from Texas. They may know more about it.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. 100% correct, Ohio was so stolen it makes me sick, and "Some People Say Karl is a Rapist"
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:26 AM
May 2014

Karl Rove defines the rightwing whether that be a moderate republican or a teaparty terrorist i.e. American Taliban...

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
99. His Friends Are Though
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:02 PM
May 2014

Sandusky was one of Bush Sr's 1000 Points Of Light. And according to the deceased ex CIA Director William Colby in a forward to the book The Franklin Cover Up Dick Cheney was involved with pedophilia and ritual occult practices that harmed children. Read it yourself folks. The book is by Nebraska state senator John De Camp.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
140. There are several links
Sun May 18, 2014, 02:27 PM
May 2014

where you can read it, but since I don't know if they are authorized by John DeCamp, the author, I won't post them. I believe they are, because he has been very good about releasing it to get the story told, but I really don't want to risk getting banned.

Xipe Totec

(43,889 posts)
2. I personally have never seen him molest any child younger than three
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:00 AM
May 2014

Or older than three for that matter but that's below the fold.

planetc

(7,805 posts)
4. so the photo of him being extremely rude to a sheep is ...
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:03 AM
May 2014

also unconfirmed? Good to know these things.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. "Well, MY cereals are asbestos-free!"
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:03 AM
May 2014


How you handle lies? Talk about them!
"Fox News: The guys who brought you Mustardgate." (Google it.)

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

malaise

(268,910 posts)
7. I heard another rumor
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:05 AM
May 2014

His mother committed suicide when she realized that she had spawned that evil scumbag.

2naSalit

(86,527 posts)
109. I thought that was
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:30 PM
May 2014

sNewt Gingrich's mom... she actually hated her son because he was such a d*ckwad. And she says so in no uncertain terms.

There used to be a documentary of her relating what he was like to his family... I tried to find it a couple years ago but no luck. I know a couple college professors who might have it on VHS but otherwise, can't find it online.

But I digress.

2naSalit

(86,527 posts)
114. It is...
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:42 PM
May 2014

lost some folks that way. I have an ugly-demon-nightmare-evil-brother-from-hell but my mom is still around, in her late 80s. Glad she didn't blame herself or bail in such a way.

The brother can go back to the non-physical form anytime, he's done enough damage.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. Policy that he works on and others sign.
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:27 AM
May 2014

He is a snake. He has harmed many through policy, including children, all while attempting to keep his hands clean.

2naSalit

(86,527 posts)
111. He's a repeat offender!
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:32 PM
May 2014

He's repeatedly molested an entire nation over and over! In fact, he does it every time he shows up on the TeeVee and opens his face.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
121. No, just gives him more company at G(reedy) O(ld) P(erv) conventions.....
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:37 PM
May 2014

(not that he's lacking............)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. more mac an cheese, open free bars & pulled pork sammies for him!!
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:10 AM
May 2014

His karma will catch up to him.

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Ev'ryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When you're ev'rywhere
Come and get your share


John Lennon

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
122. I don't have any evidence myself, but I have heard some people say it
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:39 PM
May 2014

And you know, where there's smoke, there's fire!

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
12. He's planted a seed. That is what he wanted. He also wanted people to actually believe Hillary
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:15 AM
May 2014

had been in the hospital 30 days. To correct that lie, one would have to acknowledge the story and answer to it. This way he gets that out there, and either doesn't have it corrected or has it corrected and that opens up the door to legitimacy of the claim.

BTW, why in hell would a a WH reporter actually repeat the 30 day claim when asking the question? How irresponsible is that? It just goes to show the press is in the pockets of the Republican party. It's one thing to ask about Rove's insane claim, quite another to repeat something they know is a lie.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
15. The msm has been
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:36 AM
May 2014

aiding and abetting the Republican echo chamber. From the Sunday morning "news" shows, to the op-ed pages of The NY Times and The Washington Post, to the White House press corps, lies go unchallenged.

The days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Kronkite are long gone. News has become spin and true journalism has become rare. Some of the best journalism today is found at online sites that the general public never gets to see or read.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
14. But with so many people discussing these child molestation charges, can they all be false?
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:26 AM
May 2014

I mean, where there is smoke there's fire. I certainly cannot personally verify that they are not true.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
23. Well, personally, I'm going to stop mentioning that Rove is a child molester.
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:18 AM
May 2014

You won't find me talking about Rove being a sex offender. Nope. Not going to happen.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
57. I know what you mean.
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:41 PM
May 2014

He has never denied these charges,
or offered any proof that the claims he is a child molester are untrue.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
61. That sounds plausible to me.
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:09 PM
May 2014

People with political connections can get away with anything.

Rush Limbaugh got busted smuggling Viagra into an country KNOWN for Underage Male Prostitution,
and was never prosecuted.
This thing with Karl Rove is just another example.

arthritisR_US

(7,286 posts)
71. Well...it does lead one to wonder if this was the reason for his wife divorcing him....
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:52 PM
May 2014

just saying...

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
19. Although some say the allegations of cannibalism
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:59 AM
May 2014

can't entirely be disproved, raising questions about these supposed dietary indiscretions.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
22. Of course they're untrue. He's more into sheep, goats, and other domesticated livestock.
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:16 AM
May 2014

Well, he did go through a furry phase, but I'm pretty sure he limited that to over-18 furries. I think. It's hard to know for sure because the costumes obscure faces. And as far as I know, he's put his furry past behind him, although my friend knows a guy who sees Rove in his building sometimes and he says he did see him with a very large chipmunk recently.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
25. I wonder if a furry at
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:22 AM
May 2014

a Teabagger orgy could be called a furry with the fringe on top?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
73. Well, Donald Trump hasn't denied that accusation, so
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:30 PM
May 2014

I think it is pretty safe to conclude that that was Donald Trump. That's what I've heard, anyway.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
24. Almost as ridiculous as saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:21 AM
May 2014

Or that people on Conservative Cave fuck goats.

I'm just asking questions. Have they denied any of it? What do they have to hide?

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
28. Her fall is going to be an issue. I probably should be too.
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:26 AM
May 2014

We would have had a VP in charge for a while had she been POTUS. If she gets past the primary then her VP choice will be critical (Kerry and Biden have the gravitas, but why would Biden want to do another term as VP would boggle me, and I'm not sure Kerry would want the number 2 seat either. To bad John Edwards turned out to be John Edwards and not the guy we thought he would be.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
44. All candidates for president release
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:30 PM
May 2014

their medical records. (But who knows if they release everything?)

As far as a running mate for VP, we Dems have a "deep bench" of sane, capable people. The Republican's, on the other hand, have a "deep asylum" of crazies and those who pretend to be crazy to satisfy their base of know nothings.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
53. no Kerry will not run.
Wed May 14, 2014, 01:01 PM
May 2014

Never against for Prez nor VP. i dont want either. Non about him i do love him deeply. But I dont want him to be Swiftboated again...

 

UncleYoder

(233 posts)
31. I happen to know
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:28 AM
May 2014

of a goatfucker in the next town over, and he wears the
same style glasses that Karl does. I submit this as proof
that Karl is a goatfucker, but I could be mistaken.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
36. In very close election states,
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:00 PM
May 2014

a relatively small group of (real) undecided voters could make the difference. (Ohio is a good example.)

There are millions of people in America who pay no attention to politics, but they do hear some of the Republican's endless repetition of lies. Such voters have nothing against which to measure those lies and are therefore vulnerable to thinking they may be true. And that just might swing their votes.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
35. I'd be inclined to edit it to: Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are not yet proved. n/t
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:56 AM
May 2014

MADem

(135,425 posts)
67. Fair point--we really do not know for certain if Karl Rove is a child molester... or not.
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:24 PM
May 2014

We may never know--cover-ups DO happen, after all....

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
42. #RoveNotAPedophile
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:24 PM
May 2014

Not sure if this would work, but if we could get enough people to agree on a hashtag like the one above, we might get it to "trend" on Twitter.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
49. Good idea. It has the potential to go viral
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:46 PM
May 2014

But then Rove just might sue Twitter. He's got the Koch brothers' money backing the propaganda sewer he operates named American Crossroads.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
48. Rove
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:44 PM
May 2014

Remember the male prostitute, Jeff Gannon, who visited the WH more than most of the members of Congress during W's reign? The rumor was that he was there for Rove AND W. They never answered the questions as to why he was even at the WH. He was featured on male prostitute magazines, in almost nude poses. Maybe the stories of Karl's homosexuality are true?

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,850 posts)
123. I thought of Jeff Gannon when I read Randys1, post 27
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:15 AM
May 2014

I wondered if shrub was holding Jeff down for his friend Rove... Jeff was for hire, and I saw a picture of him nude, besides the one with him in his briefs and 'dog tags' (Fake, as he had never enlisted.)

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
52. KKKARL Rove is a political terrorist
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:56 PM
May 2014

An election stoler. A dem candidate molester. And a democracy rapist. Period

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
64. KARL ROVE IS not A CHILD MOLESTER.
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:19 PM
May 2014

Don't believe me? Just google "Karl Rove child molester" over and over and over.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
68. I think Anonymous should take a peek at his personal computer. We might be surprised (or not)
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:38 PM
May 2014

at what is found. Only the NSA knows for sure.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
85. If he doesn't hand over his computer, we'll know for sure he is a child molester.
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:49 PM
May 2014

Why wouldn't he hand it over if he has nothing to hide, right?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
105. I am thinking along the lines of "The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo".
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:22 PM
May 2014

Not that I would want anything illegal to happen to Karl.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
72. Other Examples: Karl Rove Is Not A Child Molester, As Far As I Know.
Wed May 14, 2014, 03:59 PM
May 2014

In fact...I seem to recall Hilary Clinton using THAT one against Barack Obama. Wasn't it the Clinton Campaign who leaked that picture of him in the Kenyan robes, and then when asked whether she thought he was a Muslim on 60 minutes, she replied "He's not a Muslim...as far as I know." Or "He CLAIMS he's not, and I have no reason to doubt him."

There are a few Democrats who know how to play that game, when they think it's justified. And, I hate to say it, but against today's 'Nixonland' Republicans, it's justified.

The truth is that trying to COUNTER the streams of manufactured lies is a WASTE OF TIME. The only way to deal with these people is to keep them back on their heels with a stream of lies that THEY have to defend against. The best defense is a good offense.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
75. Even if we adapted their tactics,
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:34 PM
May 2014

we don't have their echo chamber. They have Fox "news," hate radio, and daily talking points that all Republicans and their pundits repeat, repeat, repeat.

All we have is MSNBC, a few liberal radio pundits, and Jon Stewart. And to make it worse, elected Dems are never on the same page.

The result is that it's all but impossible to beat them at spreading lies and propaganda.

The only solace I find in this is that Republicans have always been on the wrong side of history. And over time, (often a long time), we beat them.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
76. Well, to be fair, they've been on the right side of history...ONCE.
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:41 PM
May 2014

Back in 1860 when they were a LIBERAL party, and they had the liberal idea of ending slavery (while conservatives whined about it damaging the economy, hurting the 'job creators,' and trampling States Rights). The last remnants of the rational, liberal Republican Party vanished during the Southern Strategy of the 1960s.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
78. When Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act,
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:48 PM
May 2014

the entire South went from being Democrats to being Republicans. Johnson said that in signing the act, "We'll lose the South for a generation." He was wrong. It's been about 50 years now, a lot more than one generation.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
80. Very true. But to be fair (not to mention ironic) the Democrats have HELPED. Mainly by belittling
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:53 PM
May 2014

the South as a whole (ie-as an exemplar of modern Republican values) as an election strategy; rather than praising Southern Democrats (like Al Gore, Wes Clark, or even Bill Clinton) as models of what the South COULD and SHOULD BE.

Beartracks

(12,807 posts)
74. Has Karl Rove ever denied being a child molester?
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:31 PM
May 2014

Someone should ask him, so we can be sure.

(Just an example of "do you still beat your wife"...)



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nikto

(3,284 posts)
126. I think...
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:32 AM
May 2014

Karl Rove may still be a child molester.


There should be an investigation to clear him.

If it can clear him.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
82. Yeah but Fox 'News' has a restraining order against.....
Wed May 14, 2014, 04:59 PM
May 2014

.....fact checking. So has Karl Rove sought professional psychiatric help for that pedophilia sickness?

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
83. I didn't say Karl Rove was a child molester. I said he was seen in the vicinity of small children,
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:30 PM
May 2014

30 days in a row as he passed the park on his way to work. He also wears eyeglasses, and some pedophile, somewhere, also wears glasses.

calimary

(81,209 posts)
86. Well, since that side loves lies so much, let's contribute a few!
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:02 PM
May 2014

I'm not saying he's a child molester, but I've heard people talk...

Just like cliven bundy would, I just WONDER...

As Nancy Reagan used to say - "people are talking!"

TWO can play at that game, kkkarl. Be careful what you unleash, pal.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
87. posted this to FB
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:15 PM
May 2014

"SInce I try to keep up with politics, people have been asking me: "Is Karl Rove a child Molester?"
I don't know, but as far as I can tell, some people are saying he IS a child molester. While there are no photos of Karl Rove Molesting children, some people say he prefers pre-schoolers to adolescents. And, it MUST be pointed out, the Mr. ROve has NOT denied the story......
We will have a two hour panel discussion on Mr. Roves alleged child molestations on the 10 o'clock show......."
With a picture of "Ham Rove".....
I think this ios a great idea to point out the idiocy and hypocrisy of the CONservative machine, as well as have bit o fun at their expense....

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
89. see post #75 above
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:27 PM
May 2014

Basically, the Republican echo chamber is a vast propaganda machine. They spent many years building it and we can't match it.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
90. But then we have Bill Clinton to turn the lies into hilarious jokes.
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:33 PM
May 2014

Offering more proof that the clown car is alive and well!

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
96. Chances are that his odd behavior is not explained by syphilitic dementia, but one can never be
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:16 PM
May 2014

certain.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
97. That Hillary got paid $200,000 each for two speeches to Wall Street rich guys is absolutely true.
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:47 PM
May 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/hillary-clinton-speeches-pay_n_3582868.html

How long does it take a person earning $7.25 per hour to earn $200,000 (before taxes).


27,586.20 hours or about 13 years.

How can a person who earns in one evening's speech what a minimum wage-earner earns in 13 years understand what matters to the large percentage of Americans who now earn minimum wage.

Let's do the numbers again assuming a minimum wage of $15 per hour.

Takes the worker 13,333.33 hours or approximately 6 years plus to earn $200,000.

We have a problem. Hillary needs to demonstrate to us that her loyalties are to all of us, to those of us earning minimum wage as well as to those of us earning Wall Street millions.

Considering her record, her affection for H1-B visas, her close ties to Wall Street, etc., it is going to be difficult. She talks the talk, but she has not shown that she will walk the walk.

She has not strongly supported unions.

On the other hand, Elizabeth Warren is a strong supporter of the middle class and knows what it is to be a struggling mother with a kid in a sub-standard day care and very little money.

I support Elizabeth Warren for president.

If Hillary stood up for little people and didn't just talk about the poor, if she had a background as a union organizer, or an advocate for ordinary people facing bankruptcy, if she had any of the experience that Elizabeth Warren has that is relevant to the concerns of Americans today, then I would support her.

She is vulnerable to lies and gossip because people don't especially warm up to her. I'm sure she is very nice, but she does not have Bill Clinton's personality. Sorry. Gossip is horrible. But gossip is most easily believed if you don't like the person in the first place.

Hillary was a good Secretary of State, but if you think she will be given credit for that, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Hillary was a loyal wife, but if you think she will be given credit for that . . . .

And then every error that Bill Clinton made, and he made some doozies like the repeal of Glass-Steagall will be held against Hillary. That's not gossip. That's the record. That's not a lie.

NAFTA, Glass-Steagall, the dot.com mania, the reappointment of Greenspan, the overheating of the economy, the changes in the welfare laws that came to harm a lot of people when unemployment was high, all these things and more will be topics for partisan politics if we nominate Hillary. It may not seem fair, but it is reality.

If the Republicans nominate a really bad candidate, Hillary will win. But if they nominate someone rational, it will be a tough race and Hillary could easily lose. I'm sorry to bear the bad news, but let's don't give the Republicans the chance to run on past sins.

Let's run on economic issues and fairness, on what is happening to the middle class thanks to the Republicans in Congress and the Bush administration tax policies.

Let's run on the misdeeds of Wall Street, not their money.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
101. Karl Rove couldn't master flipping burgers at McDonalds.
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:05 PM
May 2014

He's a joke. It's hard to say who is more trustworthy at this point - Karl Rove or Dick Morris.

 

LLD

(136 posts)
106. I like how they always point out that the buck stops with Obama
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:55 PM
May 2014

Up until recently anyway... and now if Hillary Clinton is involved, she takes the blame. Enjoy the rest Obama, they are after Hillary Clinton right now. I have a feeling if we lose the Senate and they hold onto the the House, that she won't be running anyway. So all this acts as a distraction to the 2014 midterms.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
107. I have not heard Rove deny that he's a child molester, though
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:56 PM
May 2014

have you?

Sounds like of suspicious to me.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
118. I'm tempted to put your headline as a footnote to every posting I make . . .
Wed May 14, 2014, 10:16 PM
May 2014

From now on, just to 'prime the pump.'

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
125. I thought Karl Rove's being a child-molester it had been verifed
Thu May 15, 2014, 03:30 AM
May 2014

I believe that may be true.

Karl Rove--child abuser?
Child molester?
















Some say...

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
129. It distracts from the boatload of other things he SHOULD be investigated for
Thu May 15, 2014, 04:41 AM
May 2014

If it ever happened and he was convicted, he'd end up spending his last days rotting in a prison. And I'd send him letters reminding him what an asshole he is.

IronLionZion

(45,421 posts)
131. How do you know? Where is the proof he hasn't done it?
Thu May 15, 2014, 06:30 AM
May 2014

I have yet to meet any child who states they have NOT had the turdblossom treatment so we can't be too careful now can we?

Please think of the children.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
135. True and all those rumors about Karl Rove being a dog fucker are unfounded.
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:43 AM
May 2014

See what I did there?

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
136. Well, he still looks like a child molester...
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:46 AM
May 2014

pasty white/pink skin, beady little eyes, and the drooling.
It all adds up.

KILL FOX NEWS!!!

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
137. Some people say that Karl Rove is a child molester
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:50 AM
May 2014

Some people say that Karl Rove is a pedophile
Some people say that Karl Rove enjoys sex with children
Some people say that Karl Rove kills children after raping them

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
138. four ways Democrats and progressives can challenge the talk radio lying before the 2014 elections
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:53 AM
May 2014

Their lies only work on a national scale because the left ignores 1200 coordinated lying machines reaching 50 mil a week.

1) Right wing radio has been successful because it has been ignored. Use the latest transcription software to make transcripts of the major local RW talkers available for searching and reading.

Snowtape (about $30) allows recording of multiple talk radio streams. Macspeech Scribe (about $150) allows 6 different trainable voice profiles. It's not perfect but will allow searches for particular words and memes to identify when they're locally or nationally lying about your issue or candidate.

For some reason snowtape sometimes won't import from the feeds usually provided by the stations but this seems to work: Plug the station call letters into http://www.radio-locator.com/, click on the station feed and it should open in itunes. In itunes click on get info, then click edit url. Copy that url and paste into the import to snowtape field. Record then export to itunes which will convert so you can open in Macspeech. There may be an easier way and other software but that seems to work.

Lies and distortions can be responded to in other media, or with picketing at stations, BEFORE they hurt Democratic candidates and progressive causes. Most advertising the GOP and its candidates do is built on and reinforced by lies and distortions popularized and made acceptable with the unchallenged repetition that only talk radio is capable of. Correcting the talk radio gods and their propaganda publicly will reduce the effectiveness of those ads and the numbers of disinterested fence-sitters the dittoheads and teabaggers can mobilize on election day.

2) More than 28% of Limbaugh stations piggyback publicly funded schools. I don't think the RW radio monopoly can survive without its parasitic relationship with our institutions of higher learning. Shame colleges and universities that broadcast sports on RW radio stations. Get them to honor their mission statements and look for apolitical alternatives. The benefits those schools get from their associations with the loudest stations in the state pale in comparison to the damage RW radio has helped shills like Walker do. The RW stations and their talkers use college sports logos to boost their community credibility and attract advertisers while they help ALEC and the Koch brothers and their candidates defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and unions and Democratic candidates, and deny global warming and other science. Those stations also weigh in on elections of regents and the short lists of candidates for school presidents. The radio component of the media licensing revenue a school receives (usually packaged with all media) may be minuscule compared to total licensing revenues and schools need to be asked to reveal those details. What's the price to get a university to trash its own mission statement? The amount may be surprisingly small.

3) Support the Rush Limbaugh boycott efforts and extend it to all advertisers on right wing stations. Most stations include some innocuous and apolitical programming during the week but they are primarily part of the larger RW propaganda operation. Any damage done to progressive radio will made up for many times over as the right wing radio monopoly disintegrates and stations become available.

4) Where appropriate, include radio stations and talk show hosts in peaceful protests. For 25 years a few hundred RW talkers with big soapboxes have attacked, distorted, and sabotaged the citizen activism of millions- with little protest or acknowledgment from the 'Left' or it's organizations. Protests at state capitols are routinely minimized by the state RW stations and their carnival barkers. Those attacks can continue long after the protestors go home. Almost any major issue is appropriate, from social justice and equality, fair wages, global warming, the Keystone XL pipeline, fracking, media and election reform, voter suppression, gun control, wall street, and political corruption. All could legitimately be picketed at those giant megaphones - the true source of 'popular' power of the new irrational Republican Party. Media and politicians used to being intimidated and enabled by RW radio and its made-to-order think tank talk radio constituencies, will notice.

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