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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
Sun May 18, 2014, 11:27 AM May 2014

The Benjamin Franklin effect: A friend just passed this on to me.

It is an interesting read and timely.

http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2014/02/20/the-benjamin-franklin-effect-mcraney/

The Benjamin Franklin Effect: The Surprising Psychology of How to Handle Haters
by Maria Popova
“He that has once done you a kindness will be more ready to do you another, than he whom you yourself have obliged.”

“We are what we pretend to be,” Kurt Vonnegut famously wrote, “so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” But given how much our minds mislead us, what if we don’t realize when we’re pretending — who are we then? That’s precisely what David McRaney explores in You Are Now Less Dumb: How to Conquer Mob Mentality, How to Buy Happiness, and All the Other Ways to Outsmart Yourself (public library) — a “book about self-delusion, but also a celebration of it,” a fascinating and pleasantly uncomfortable-making look at why “self-delusion is as much a part of the human condition as fingers and toes,” and the follow-up to McRaney’s You Are Not So Smart, one of the best psychology books of 2011. McRaney, with his signature fusion of intelligent irreverence and irreverent intelligence, writes in the introduction:

The human mind is obviously vaster and more powerful than any other animal mind, and that’s something people throughout all human history couldn’t help but notice. You probably considered this the last time you visited the zoo or watched a dog battle its own hind legs. Your kind seems the absolute pinnacle of what evolution can produce, maybe even the apex and final beautiful result of the universe unfolding itself. It is a delectable idea to entertain. Even before we had roller skates and Salvador Dalí, it was a conviction in which great thinkers liked to wallow. Of course, as soon as you settle into that thought, you’ll accidentally send an e-mail to your boss meant for your proctologist, or you’ll read a news story about how hot dog-stuffed pizza is now the most popular food in the country. It’s always true that whenever you look at the human condition and get a case of the smugs, a nice heaping helping of ridiculousness plops in your lap and remedies the matter.

This tendency of ours is known as “naïve realism” — the assertion that we see the world as it actually is and our impression of it is an objective, accurate representation of “reality” — a concept that comes from ancient philosophy and has since been amply debunked by modern science. McRaney writes:...More

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The Benjamin Franklin effect: A friend just passed this on to me. (Original Post) Skidmore May 2014 OP
hmmm... Leme May 2014 #1
What???? Skidmore May 2014 #2
The more one knows... Leme May 2014 #3
Bears repeating though. Skidmore May 2014 #6
It goes "The more you learn, the less you know." Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #10
"It ain't the things you don't know that get you, it's the things you know that ain't so." bemildred May 2014 #12
Now THAT makes all the sense in the world. loudsue May 2014 #16
Thanks, I speak from experience, I've been wrong a lot. bemildred May 2014 #21
Mark Twain said it, so there may be a poster out there already. nt eppur_se_muova May 2014 #23
"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder." Jim Lane May 2014 #19
Socrates is said to have brought up the idea. Octafish May 2014 #20
Fascinating article! Great reading! MrScorpio May 2014 #4
The more I learn, smallcat88 May 2014 #5
ANd it is the only thing we will ever know for certain. Skidmore May 2014 #7
Well said! smallcat88 May 2014 #8
very interesting warrior1 May 2014 #9
another Ben Franklin effect Motown_Johnny May 2014 #11
EXCELLENT! calimary May 2014 #17
Thank you! Excellent article. nt Skidmore May 2014 #22
I wonder how the BF effect works on people who are warrior1 May 2014 #13
meh! n/t tech3149 May 2014 #15
Plato's cave anyone? tech3149 May 2014 #14
Great site; thanks! snot May 2014 #18
 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
1. hmmm...
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:02 PM
May 2014

Perhaps that is why it is said somewhere, "the more one knows the more one knows that one does not know". or something like that. or "the more one knows, the more one realizes how ignorant one is.-
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Dunno, just seems to apply maybe.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
6. Bears repeating though.
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:32 PM
May 2014

I learned that quite a while back and the older I get the more I believe that the only thing we can learn is that we don't have all of the answers as individuals and must work together collectively.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,999 posts)
10. It goes "The more you learn, the less you know."
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:49 PM
May 2014

The more you learn, the more you see how insignificant your knowledge is compared to the possible knowledge a person could have.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
12. "It ain't the things you don't know that get you, it's the things you know that ain't so."
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:57 PM
May 2014

Being admittedly ignorant won't get you in half as much trouble as thinking you know all about it when you don't.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
21. Thanks, I speak from experience, I've been wrong a lot.
Sun May 18, 2014, 04:39 PM
May 2014

And I have had vast fields of wrongness to play in.


I'm a big fan of humility in all its aspects. However good you are, you're no so hot, and however bad you are, you are far from the worst, but there is no cure for being full of yourself.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
19. "The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder."
Sun May 18, 2014, 02:09 PM
May 2014

So said Ralph Washington Sockman, who was, as it happens, a Christian minister.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. Socrates is said to have brought up the idea.
Sun May 18, 2014, 02:14 PM
May 2014

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

via Plato, quoting Socrates...

I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.

The Socratic Paradox via WikiPedia.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
11. another Ben Franklin effect
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:50 PM
May 2014

Linking to and copying a portion of a very old post of mine. (old DU)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x211490


^snip^


The title of the essay is "The Fateful Lightning" and it describes the lightning rod's impact on rational thinking. It is included in the collections "The Stars In Their Courses&quot 1971) and "The Edge Of Tomorrow&quot 1985).


What this essay describes is the lightning rod being rejected by Theologians because it claimed to control something they thought was controlled by God. It describes the various steps taken for the lightning rod to begin to be accepted by society until finally the only choice was to either put them on top of churches or allow these building to continue to be the only ones struck by lightning (which made it appear that God didn't like them).





Also applicable to today's argument about climate change.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
17. EXCELLENT!
Sun May 18, 2014, 01:27 PM
May 2014

Really amazing how damn dumb some people are - and INSIST on continuing to be. Proudly, too, in too many cases.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
14. Plato's cave anyone?
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:59 PM
May 2014

Our reality is based on what we can perceive. It's really hard to digest new information that challenges our understanding of the world we know.

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