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MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:51 AM May 2014

Jury can’t decide if cop who destroyed woman’s eyeballs with pepper spray should go to prison



Jurors appeared deadlocked Tuesday morning in the case of a former southern California police officer who blinded a woman when he fired a blast of pepper spray into her face.

Prosecutors said 38-year-old Enoch “Jeremy” Clark became “annoyed” when 32-year-old Monique Hernandez resisted his attempts Feb. 21, 2012, to place her in handcuffs.

Clark fired a JPX gunpowder-propelled gun, which discharges chemical irritant at 400 mph, just 10 inches away from the woman’s face while arresting her for misdemeanor driving under the influence, authorities said.

A dashboard camera recording, which has not been made available to the public, shows Hernandez with her hands behind her back, moving around as Clark tries to place her in handcuffs.

The officer repeatedly tells her to stop resisting, but Hernandez insists she’s not resisting and demands to know why she’s being taken into custody.

Clark repeatedly threatens to “JPX” her if she does not stop struggling, and the video shows the officer remove the pepper spray gun from his belt and fire a blast into her face.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/20/jury-cant-decide-if-cop-who-destroyed-womans-eyeballs-with-pepper-spray-should-go-to-prison/
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Jury can’t decide if cop who destroyed woman’s eyeballs with pepper spray should go to prison (Original Post) MrScorpio May 2014 OP
That bastard should be in jail and she should get millions. hobbit709 May 2014 #1
South Carolina billhicks76 May 2014 #23
California GeorgeGist May 2014 #32
Whoops billhicks76 May 2014 #50
Gunpowder propelled? Warpy May 2014 #2
A sad story, and a sad jury. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #3
20 agencies are using it. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #4
Her eyeballs were literally blown into pieces Jesus Malverde May 2014 #5
"Her eyeballs were literally blown into pieces"... GReedDiamond May 2014 #41
The less cops are held responsible for their behavior gollygee May 2014 #6
OMFG theHandpuppet May 2014 #7
Right? truebrit71 May 2014 #8
WTF !!!!!!!!! eom LittleGirl May 2014 #13
can she sue for civil damages? warrior1 May 2014 #9
Probably since civil only requires a preponderance of evidence dickthegrouch May 2014 #11
I don't care if she was having a prize fight match with the cop, that does not excuse using winter is coming May 2014 #34
According to the story, Brigid May 2014 #14
I think an eye for an eye sounds about right. lark May 2014 #19
The jury system is now a modern day failure. nilesobek May 2014 #10
true...an actual jury system requires an ability to think. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #20
So many jury outrages lately including the woman who could get nilesobek May 2014 #29
Yep....or the black woman in Fla., in jail now BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #30
Uniform worship needs to stop. Dawson Leery May 2014 #12
fuck tha police frylock May 2014 #15
There is a war... 951-Riverside May 2014 #16
That is one scary compilation Tsiyu May 2014 #45
WTF? blackspade May 2014 #17
SOME cops are assholes joeglow3 May 2014 #22
So where are these not 'some' cops? blackspade May 2014 #28
Calling ALL cops is assholes IS bigoted. joeglow3 May 2014 #38
then I guess the rest are cowards villager May 2014 #51
You might want to as well. blackspade May 2014 #54
You're right Nevernose May 2014 #39
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #40
The bad apples have spoiled the bushel Taitertots May 2014 #43
+1, Because the Bushel isn't speaking up uponit7771 May 2014 #47
How about just pepper spray his eyes the same way? SheilaT May 2014 #18
Ah,...the good old days,....... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #21
human anatomy jamejest May 2014 #24
Good luck with getting cops to admit to something like that... MrScorpio May 2014 #25
In pretty much any position it is not strenuous to put your hands behind your back. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #33
If you've got a bad shoulder, it can quickly become quite painful. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #35
Of course, without question, physical disability will be an issue. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #36
That depends on how long you're in the position and how much force is applied to get you there. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #37
I wonder if "intent" is the hold up. aikoaiko May 2014 #26
I think it generally is. Had a case of a guy who beat a guy who was already on the ground who died. freshwest May 2014 #31
he should go to prison Liberal_in_LA May 2014 #27
Moron cop or a damn sadist damnedifIknow May 2014 #42
Call me for the jury, I can decide... Rhiannon12866 May 2014 #44
I don't know of any other profession Tsiyu May 2014 #46
The funny thing is that I spent 22 years in a military uniform... MrScorpio May 2014 #48
You should be Tsiyu May 2014 #49
Thank you! MrScorpio May 2014 #52
I am quite saddened by this story. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #53
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
50. Whoops
Wed May 21, 2014, 02:56 AM
May 2014

I remember people who chained themselves together to stop the redwoods from being chopped. The cops took bowls full of pepper spray liquid, topped off spoons with it and poured it into activists eyes. That's pretty much Nazi-like torture but our justice system approved it. And it was all on video. Our Democrat leaders bent over a long time ago and stopped vocally opposing this kind of thing. That's why we are where we are at. Corporate sellouts.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. A sad story, and a sad jury.
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:57 AM
May 2014

Pretty much all of those sprays with any propellant come with explicit instructions not to spray within very short distances, and those are supposed to be part of standard protocol in using them. He violated protocol, resulting in permanent grievous bodily harm, above and beyond the 'force' required to 'subdue' this woman.

GReedDiamond

(5,310 posts)
41. "Her eyeballs were literally blown into pieces"...
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:49 PM
May 2014

...and the attack "fractured her right orbital bone, and severed the optic nerve in her left eye."

And a couple of fuckin idiots and/or assholes on the jury went with not guilty?!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
6. The less cops are held responsible for their behavior
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:10 AM
May 2014

the more of this kind of abuse, and shootings as well, we see and will see.

dickthegrouch

(3,169 posts)
11. Probably since civil only requires a preponderance of evidence
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:21 AM
May 2014

There's no question as to the evidence that she was harmed, and how, and by whom.

Criminal conviction requires "no reasonable doubt". I imagine the jury is hung up on her perceived culpability for allegedly 'resisting'. I don't think they should even be looking at that. The cop used his weapon outside of guidelines and safety, QED.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
34. I don't care if she was having a prize fight match with the cop, that does not excuse using
Tue May 20, 2014, 08:34 PM
May 2014

pepper spray at such close range.

lark

(23,061 posts)
19. I think an eye for an eye sounds about right.
Tue May 20, 2014, 01:09 PM
May 2014

So, in this case it would be 2 eyes gone for the negligent asshole. Harsh, yes, justice, yes also.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
10. The jury system is now a modern day failure.
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:18 AM
May 2014

Good luck trying to get a jury of your "peers." Most jurors are petrified of judges and prosecutors and don't realize the power they really wield. Also, the prosecutors, professional liars they are, do everything they can to keep important information from the jury.

Once again, the so-called "justice," system is bad for everyone, including the police because if this keeps up, people will never surrender to their authority if they know they will get beat, tazed or sprayed. You might get better justice under the Roman Law system.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
20. true...an actual jury system requires an ability to think.
Tue May 20, 2014, 01:39 PM
May 2014

Higher level thinking. Critical judgement.


They're deadlocked!?!? Didn't they get the proper use instructions? Firing anything with that much power so close to someone's face should be clear enough in itself.

This is sickening.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
29. So many jury outrages lately including the woman who could get
Tue May 20, 2014, 03:44 PM
May 2014

7 years for having a cop smash her breast. Jury selection is the most important part of a trial.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
30. Yep....or the black woman in Fla., in jail now
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:35 PM
May 2014

for shooting a warning shot in front of her attacking abusive husband....while Zimmerman is free.....

Truly, as the populace devolves, .......... well.......

Not much more I can say.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
16. There is a war...
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:33 PM
May 2014

And the American people are the enemy.

Ooh-rah!

Woman's face after encounter with two male Albuquerque Police officers in 2012
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Riot Police Anaheim, California 2012
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Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
45. That is one scary compilation
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:27 AM
May 2014

And it's only the teeniest tip of the iceberg

Land of the free indeed!

We are a laughing stock in the civilized world.

With more people incarcerated and this sort of abuse condoned by judges and juries, we have become the thing we were warned against as kids in the sixties: the police state.


Cops all over this country need to step up and rid themselves of the vermin in their midst.

The American people are not enemy combatants, and no cop should think he is judge, jury and executioner.

Wake up, decent cops...you are the company you keep....

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
17. WTF?
Tue May 20, 2014, 01:03 PM
May 2014

Cops are assholes.

Maybe we should go to some sort of 'draft' so that cops actually represent 'civilians' rather than being bastions of juvenile bullies with no conscience or respect for the law that they are supposed to uphold.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
28. So where are these not 'some' cops?
Tue May 20, 2014, 03:21 PM
May 2014

Why are they not drumming assholes like this guy and the innumerable other 'bad apples' out of the force?
Where is the FOP with enforceable requirements for cops? Where are the internal affairs officers? The police commissioners?

When cops get away with this shit, the 'not bad' cops are complicit in their behavior.
And calling cops assholes is not bigoted. They are not an oppressed minority. They are an oppressive authority with no checks on their power.


 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
38. Calling ALL cops is assholes IS bigoted.
Tue May 20, 2014, 09:55 PM
May 2014

I think you might want familiarize with the definition of bigot.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
51. then I guess the rest are cowards
Wed May 21, 2014, 03:52 AM
May 2014

Since they never speak up, or out, about the sociopaths and sadists in uniform

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
54. You might want to as well.
Wed May 21, 2014, 08:23 AM
May 2014

My comment was not unfair which is a critical component of bigotry.

And you have not addressed the actual issue: police brutality.
How do you propose to fix the problem since the system has obviously failed?

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
39. You're right
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:09 PM
May 2014

If the ten percent of cops who weren't assholes would just speak out, all of these problems would vanish overnight.

Response to Nevernose (Reply #39)

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
43. The bad apples have spoiled the bushel
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:09 PM
May 2014

That man is surrounded by people who actively support and defend his actions.

jamejest

(37 posts)
24. human anatomy
Tue May 20, 2014, 01:59 PM
May 2014

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone found that the standard position that police put you in to cuff you was so anatomically against
the way a human is supposed to move and bend the resistance that they charge people with is actually their body being twisted
in an unnatural and painful manner. Hence, the act of cuffing an individual will always produce a charge of resisting arrest!

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
25. Good luck with getting cops to admit to something like that...
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:01 PM
May 2014

If they did, I would have more respect for them.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
33. In pretty much any position it is not strenuous to put your hands behind your back.
Tue May 20, 2014, 08:26 PM
May 2014

The only positions that might make that a problem are ones which would be questionable as police brutality. For instance, if two officers had their knees in your back as you were being smashed into the ground, the compression of the shoulder blades and the spine and neck may inhibit the free movement of the arms and thus wrenching them could cause physical injury.

You can try different positions yourself. Lean over the counter, flat on the bed, onto the table, get down on your knees and place your forehead on the ground...then put your hands in a position that they could be cuffed. I've tried a large number of positions and they all allowed me to place my hands in a position to be cuffed.

And don't make a sex joke out of that.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
36. Of course, without question, physical disability will be an issue.
Tue May 20, 2014, 08:41 PM
May 2014

Even in a position as simple as standing up right. But I think it would be difficult to argue that those with full range of motion are suffering physical pain simply by having their hands cuffed behind their back.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. I think it generally is. Had a case of a guy who beat a guy who was already on the ground who died.
Tue May 20, 2014, 07:24 PM
May 2014

He decided applying a skate board with great force to the guy's head was a good idea. It was not ruled self-defense, it was part of a riot.

He was convicted and sentenced to life, but it was commuted and was set free AFAIK, because his lawyer said that he didn't intend to kill him.

That was what struck me in reading about it, that the issue was that he didn't intend to kill him. So intent appears important, and there is a legal term:

Mens rea


Mens rea is Latin for "guilty mind". In criminal law, it is viewed as one of the necessary elements of some crimes. The standard common law test of criminal liability is usually expressed in the Latin phrase, actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, which means "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty". Thus, in jurisdictions with due process, there must be an actus reus, or "guilty act," accompanied by some level of mens rea to constitute the crime with which the defendant is charged. As a general rule, criminal liability does not attach to a person who merely acted with the absence of mental fault. The exception is strict liability crimes...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

IMHO, beating a person already on the ground and not resisting is not an act of love. Yet the court decided that he didn't intend to kill him. Intent means something in the law, of course.

I just disagree that the application of a skate board to a person's head is not good for their health, and might imply bad intent.

There may have been other reasons he was let off the hook, but only that part was covered by media. But, hey, what do I know other than what they say?

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
42. Moron cop or a damn sadist
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:03 PM
May 2014

"Clark fired a JPX gunpowder-propelled gun, which discharges chemical irritant at 400 mph, just 10 inches away from the woman’s face "

No words.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
46. I don't know of any other profession
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:36 AM
May 2014

where to expedite your tasks you can basically blow someone's eyeballs out of their face, or throw them through a glass window, or stick a knife down their throat, killing them to find a packet of drugs.

Must be nice to be able to physically maim and kill because your job isn't always easy and because human beings have voices and free will and are sometimes difficult.

I mean, who wouldn't want the authority to speed things up like cops do? You work in fast food? Some creep get belligerent over his burger? Just stick his head in the fat fryer!

You work in retail and some teenager is trying on everything and won't decide which dress to buy? Throw her through the plate glass store window!

You're a dentist and some guy won't open his mouth wide enough? Just bash him in the head, or take a knife and cut his mouth open. That'll show him!


No, aside from military rules, we don't allow physical violence as a means to efficient workplace function in any profession but law enforcement. It appears anything goes if a cop thinks you're wasting his precious time.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
48. The funny thing is that I spent 22 years in a military uniform...
Wed May 21, 2014, 02:09 AM
May 2014

And never harmed another living soul with my own hands.

I'm proud of that accomplishment.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
49. You should be
Wed May 21, 2014, 02:48 AM
May 2014

This police brutality is out of control and unnecessary


And BTW, love your work at Discussionist





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