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Jurors appeared deadlocked Tuesday morning in the case of a former southern California police officer who blinded a woman when he fired a blast of pepper spray into her face.
Prosecutors said 38-year-old Enoch Jeremy Clark became annoyed when 32-year-old Monique Hernandez resisted his attempts Feb. 21, 2012, to place her in handcuffs.
Clark fired a JPX gunpowder-propelled gun, which discharges chemical irritant at 400 mph, just 10 inches away from the womans face while arresting her for misdemeanor driving under the influence, authorities said.
A dashboard camera recording, which has not been made available to the public, shows Hernandez with her hands behind her back, moving around as Clark tries to place her in handcuffs.
The officer repeatedly tells her to stop resisting, but Hernandez insists shes not resisting and demands to know why shes being taken into custody.
Clark repeatedly threatens to JPX her if she does not stop struggling, and the video shows the officer remove the pepper spray gun from his belt and fire a blast into her face.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/20/jury-cant-decide-if-cop-who-destroyed-womans-eyeballs-with-pepper-spray-should-go-to-prison/
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I thought they were tough on crime.
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I remember people who chained themselves together to stop the redwoods from being chopped. The cops took bowls full of pepper spray liquid, topped off spoons with it and poured it into activists eyes. That's pretty much Nazi-like torture but our justice system approved it. And it was all on video. Our Democrat leaders bent over a long time ago and stopped vocally opposing this kind of thing. That's why we are where we are at. Corporate sellouts.
Warpy
(111,140 posts)That shit needs to be taken away right now.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Pretty much all of those sprays with any propellant come with explicit instructions not to spray within very short distances, and those are supposed to be part of standard protocol in using them. He violated protocol, resulting in permanent grievous bodily harm, above and beyond the 'force' required to 'subdue' this woman.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Not supposed to be used under 5 feet.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)...
GReedDiamond
(5,310 posts)...and the attack "fractured her right orbital bone, and severed the optic nerve in her left eye."
And a couple of fuckin idiots and/or assholes on the jury went with not guilty?!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)the more of this kind of abuse, and shootings as well, we see and will see.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)He blew her eyes right out of her head and they can't decide if this was a crime???
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)WTF is going on??
LittleGirl
(8,279 posts)warrior1
(12,325 posts)dickthegrouch
(3,169 posts)There's no question as to the evidence that she was harmed, and how, and by whom.
Criminal conviction requires "no reasonable doubt". I imagine the jury is hung up on her perceived culpability for allegedly 'resisting'. I don't think they should even be looking at that. The cop used his weapon outside of guidelines and safety, QED.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)pepper spray at such close range.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)She is suing in federal court.
lark
(23,061 posts)So, in this case it would be 2 eyes gone for the negligent asshole. Harsh, yes, justice, yes also.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)Good luck trying to get a jury of your "peers." Most jurors are petrified of judges and prosecutors and don't realize the power they really wield. Also, the prosecutors, professional liars they are, do everything they can to keep important information from the jury.
Once again, the so-called "justice," system is bad for everyone, including the police because if this keeps up, people will never surrender to their authority if they know they will get beat, tazed or sprayed. You might get better justice under the Roman Law system.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Higher level thinking. Critical judgement.
They're deadlocked!?!? Didn't they get the proper use instructions? Firing anything with that much power so close to someone's face should be clear enough in itself.
This is sickening.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)7 years for having a cop smash her breast. Jury selection is the most important part of a trial.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)for shooting a warning shot in front of her attacking abusive husband....while Zimmerman is free.....
Truly, as the populace devolves, .......... well.......
Not much more I can say.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Also, the cops have too many weapons.
frylock
(34,825 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)And the American people are the enemy.
Ooh-rah!
Woman's face after encounter with two male Albuquerque Police officers in 2012
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Riot Police Anaheim, California 2012
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Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)And it's only the teeniest tip of the iceberg
Land of the free indeed!
We are a laughing stock in the civilized world.
With more people incarcerated and this sort of abuse condoned by judges and juries, we have become the thing we were warned against as kids in the sixties: the police state.
Cops all over this country need to step up and rid themselves of the vermin in their midst.
The American people are not enemy combatants, and no cop should think he is judge, jury and executioner.
Wake up, decent cops...you are the company you keep....
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Cops are assholes.
Maybe we should go to some sort of 'draft' so that cops actually represent 'civilians' rather than being bastions of juvenile bullies with no conscience or respect for the law that they are supposed to uphold.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)It amazes me how ignorant and bigoted some people on DU are.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Why are they not drumming assholes like this guy and the innumerable other 'bad apples' out of the force?
Where is the FOP with enforceable requirements for cops? Where are the internal affairs officers? The police commissioners?
When cops get away with this shit, the 'not bad' cops are complicit in their behavior.
And calling cops assholes is not bigoted. They are not an oppressed minority. They are an oppressive authority with no checks on their power.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I think you might want familiarize with the definition of bigot.
villager
(26,001 posts)Since they never speak up, or out, about the sociopaths and sadists in uniform
blackspade
(10,056 posts)My comment was not unfair which is a critical component of bigotry.
And you have not addressed the actual issue: police brutality.
How do you propose to fix the problem since the system has obviously failed?
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)If the ten percent of cops who weren't assholes would just speak out, all of these problems would vanish overnight.
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Taitertots
(7,745 posts)That man is surrounded by people who actively support and defend his actions.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)And he gets fired, no pension.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....when they cracked skulls with clubs.
jamejest
(37 posts)Wouldn't it be interesting if someone found that the standard position that police put you in to cuff you was so anatomically against
the way a human is supposed to move and bend the resistance that they charge people with is actually their body being twisted
in an unnatural and painful manner. Hence, the act of cuffing an individual will always produce a charge of resisting arrest!
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)If they did, I would have more respect for them.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)The only positions that might make that a problem are ones which would be questionable as police brutality. For instance, if two officers had their knees in your back as you were being smashed into the ground, the compression of the shoulder blades and the spine and neck may inhibit the free movement of the arms and thus wrenching them could cause physical injury.
You can try different positions yourself. Lean over the counter, flat on the bed, onto the table, get down on your knees and place your forehead on the ground...then put your hands in a position that they could be cuffed. I've tried a large number of positions and they all allowed me to place my hands in a position to be cuffed.
And don't make a sex joke out of that.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Even in a position as simple as standing up right. But I think it would be difficult to argue that those with full range of motion are suffering physical pain simply by having their hands cuffed behind their back.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)CA laywers, is intent a factor in the way the law is written?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)He decided applying a skate board with great force to the guy's head was a good idea. It was not ruled self-defense, it was part of a riot.
He was convicted and sentenced to life, but it was commuted and was set free AFAIK, because his lawyer said that he didn't intend to kill him.
That was what struck me in reading about it, that the issue was that he didn't intend to kill him. So intent appears important, and there is a legal term:
Mens rea
Mens rea is Latin for "guilty mind". In criminal law, it is viewed as one of the necessary elements of some crimes. The standard common law test of criminal liability is usually expressed in the Latin phrase, actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, which means "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty". Thus, in jurisdictions with due process, there must be an actus reus, or "guilty act," accompanied by some level of mens rea to constitute the crime with which the defendant is charged. As a general rule, criminal liability does not attach to a person who merely acted with the absence of mental fault. The exception is strict liability crimes...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
IMHO, beating a person already on the ground and not resisting is not an act of love. Yet the court decided that he didn't intend to kill him. Intent means something in the law, of course.
I just disagree that the application of a skate board to a person's head is not good for their health, and might imply bad intent.
There may have been other reasons he was let off the hook, but only that part was covered by media. But, hey, what do I know other than what they say?
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)"Clark fired a JPX gunpowder-propelled gun, which discharges chemical irritant at 400 mph, just 10 inches away from the womans face "
No words.
Rhiannon12866
(204,739 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)where to expedite your tasks you can basically blow someone's eyeballs out of their face, or throw them through a glass window, or stick a knife down their throat, killing them to find a packet of drugs.
Must be nice to be able to physically maim and kill because your job isn't always easy and because human beings have voices and free will and are sometimes difficult.
I mean, who wouldn't want the authority to speed things up like cops do? You work in fast food? Some creep get belligerent over his burger? Just stick his head in the fat fryer!
You work in retail and some teenager is trying on everything and won't decide which dress to buy? Throw her through the plate glass store window!
You're a dentist and some guy won't open his mouth wide enough? Just bash him in the head, or take a knife and cut his mouth open. That'll show him!
No, aside from military rules, we don't allow physical violence as a means to efficient workplace function in any profession but law enforcement. It appears anything goes if a cop thinks you're wasting his precious time.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)And never harmed another living soul with my own hands.
I'm proud of that accomplishment.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)This police brutality is out of control and unnecessary
And BTW, love your work at Discussionist
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)The only fighting that I do enjoy is completely conversational.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth