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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines
http://www.alternet.org/economy/why-american-conservatives-are-suddenly-freaking-out-about-guillotinesOn the June cover of the conservative magazine American Spectator, a vision arises from the collective unconscious of the rich. Angry citizens look on as a monocled fatcat is led to a blood-soaked guillotine, calling up the memory of the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution, when tens of thousands were executed, many by what came to be known as the "National Razor." The caption reads, The New Class Warfare: Thomas Pikettys intellectual cover for confiscation. One member of the mob can be seen holding up a bloody copy of the French economist's recent book, Capital in the 21st Century.
Confiscation, of course, can only mean one thing. Off with their heads! In reality, the most "revolutionary" thing Professor Piketty calls for in his best-sellling tome is a wealth tax, but our rich are very sensitive.
In his article, however, James Pierson warns that a revolution is afoot, and that the 99 percent is going to try to punish the rich. The ungrateful horde is angry, he says, when they really should be celebrating their marvelous good fortune and thanking their betters:
From one point of view, the contemporary era has been a 'gilded age' of regression and reaction due to rising inequality and increasing concentrations of wealth. But from another it can be seen as a 'golden age' of capitalism marked by fabulous innovations, globalizing markets, the absence of major wars, rising living standards, low inflation and interest rates, and a thirty-year bull market in stocks, bonds, and real estate.
Yes, things do indeed look very different to the haves and the have-nots. But some of the haves are willing to say whats actually going down and it's a war of their own making. Warren Buffett made this very clear in his declaration: Theres class warfare, all right, but its my class, the rich class, thats making war, and were winning.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)The rich are--My general reaction to these persecution remarks or articles like this from the rich are more or less "What a bunch of babies, as you can't even talk about someone raising your taxes without whining."
Now my thinking has gone to "Not yet Mr. Oligarch, we've not guillotined you yet, but you just keep on doing what you're doing, and we'll get there."
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)a family tradition. My mom's family ancestor helped dead King Charles 1 of england. Ten years later they were running for their lives ... always a hiccup in the path to progress.
malaise
(268,885 posts)Justice is coming!
randys1
(16,286 posts)At this point the position of a rightwing one percenter is unacceptable to the human race, just cant allow it any longer as it is killing all life on the planet whether it be thru economics or climate change
muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)A far better system than that endured by the "common folk" in this country. They should be grateful.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,166 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Same question I had.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)pizzadave
(46 posts)Ouch
valerief
(53,235 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Last edited Thu May 22, 2014, 08:08 AM - Edit history (1)
within 15 years or so of leaving office, I have a feeling that neither he nor Hillary will be endorsing a wealth tax anytime soon.
And a quick glance at the net worth of senators and congressmen will also confirm the remote likelihood of such a tax being pushed by the likes of Alan Grayson, Nancy Pelosi, or Elizabeth Warren.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)[font color=white]........................[/font][font size=4]Now THIS is Bi-Partisanship![/font]
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)in speeches saying things that make me think he would agree with a bigger tax on wealth. And it would not hurt is what he seemed to be saying. So I think you are wrong, but the guys in Congress, another story.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)you ungrateful bastards.
(This is scarcastic for the dumbasses that can't tell the difference.)
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Maynar
(769 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)This is the beginningfrom "I" to "we". If you who own the things people must have could understand this, you might preserve yourself. If you could separate causes from results, if you could know that Paine, Marx, Jefferson, Lenin were results, not causes, you might survive. But that you cannot know. For the quality of owning freezes you forever into "I", and cuts you off forever from the "we".
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)It's not that they won't because of greed or some other form of human failing, it's that the CAN'T. The system won't LET them. Which is why a systemic change in in order.
The_Commonist
(2,518 posts)Stockholders could vote to increase wages, because it would be better for the health of the company. Wealthy individuals could choose not to take all the deductions they might be entitled to, for the health of the country. Entrepreneurs could choose to go start businesses that make products that actual people will use, rather than more war machines we don't need, that are paid for with our taxes. Lawyerly types could choose to make $200,000 a year representing humans, rather than $400,000 a year lobbying for corporations.
It's just greed. Greed and short-sightedness. It's greed that built the system. Human greed.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)any and every one of those options for the people you talk about. Capitalism is based on maximum profit and competition between people and companies. If any concern did any of those things they wouldn't be competitive under capitalism and eventually would either go broke or get bought out by someone that WOULD play the game.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)with fewer and fewer companies, thus eliminating competition. So the old adage that capitalism is self correcting through competition is very relatively. An all these self-identified capitalists who sing the high praises of free markets on the foundation of competition are nothing more than hypocrites running in cowardly fear to the safety and security of monopolies.
Just to add... doesn't it seem that capitalism really works best when there is more or less an even distribution of wealth. Then competition can live up to its potential.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)The tendency is for capitalism to concentrate wealth, especially in it's end stages. It really IS like a Monopoly game where one person (or at least a very small group of huge companies) owns everything. And since, by this time, the capitalists have pretty much bought the governments of the various countries, you have a situation of empires, backed and financed by national capital, jockeying for resources and market share in the name of the countries and trading blocs involved.
The empire theory has been happening for a while now. What's different now is that capital is worldwide in scope and that's changing the game somewhat. Nation states and imperial trading blocs are still important, but sometimes more than one bloc is backed by the international capitalists. Ergo, they win no matter which empire wins.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)As well as one heck of a great bumper sticker and T-shirt slogan.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)With multiple jobs, sleep deprivation, stress, you name it. Scrambling to keep a roof over their heads.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)pic of a Guillotine. Which I call the 1792 French Solution. Every now and then I post it on fb. Put that sucker on Wall Street and the Congress. Off with their heads, confiscate their ill-gotten wealth, put their spouses and spawn out on the street.. In a Christian manner, of course. I'm not even sure anymore if I'm being sarcastic. After all, don't the Teabaggers tell us all the time how Jefferson said the Tree of Liberty needs to be nourished with the blood of tyrants from time to time?
Enthusiast
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Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Raksha
(7,167 posts)I posted my response to that picture before I read yours.
Raksha
(7,167 posts)Monsanto, Walmart, et al.
I think someone should seriously think about reproducing it in quantity.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)the dullness of the blade, kind of rounded.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)in place of the Wall Street Bull as a daily reminder of the consequence of greed.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Along with this:
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JHB
(37,158 posts)...that Eisenhower Republicans were communists.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)...if you haven't already.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,881 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)If the political system is too corrupt to reform it will disintegrate. Who gets their heads lopped off depends on how that disintegration occurs.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)... will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy
The RICH know this.
That is WHY they are having their mouth pieces in Washington build a massive Surveillance/Security State to protect them.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Another reason not to vote for Hillary or Jeb in 2016 primaries. They are simply two sides of the same coin.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)JFK was going to be the leader of a peaceful revolution.
One bullet changed all that history.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)To paraphrase:
Q: What do you call it when a couple of Goldmann-Sachs executives go to the guillotine?
A: A GOOD START!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Privilege does that to the human psyche. As Dan Q. was wont to say, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind" (or "head," in your excellent example).
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)Perfect line.
JHB
(37,158 posts)The suggestion "couldn't you slow down how fast you get even more wealthy?" is equated with "off with their heads!"
valerief
(53,235 posts)What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.
-- Vice President Dan Quayle winning friends while speaking to the United Negro College Fund, 5/9/89 This gem has been added to Bartlett's `Familiar Quotations'. Reported in Esquire, 8/92. Reported in the NY Times, 12/9/92.
Oh, yes, he was a real Einstein. Another favorite:
If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure.
-- Vice President Dan Quayle, to the Phoenix Republican Forum, 3/23/90. Reported in Esquire, 8/92. Also reported by Reuters, 5/2/90.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Actual cutline (paraphrase from an old memory): "Dan Quayle, left, holds a pumpkin next to his head at a country fair..."
xocet
(3,871 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ford, whom Chevy Chase on Saturday Night Live parodied falling down an airplane stairway. Unfortunately, it helped America ignore Ford's important role in JFK cover-up.
Gerald Ford: Skeptics on Warren Commission posed ''No problem.''
The good gnostic at DailyKos asks a great question that gets to the heart of the problem that faces We the People:
What did Gerald Ford mean when he told J Edgar Hoover that the Warren Commission members who disagreed with the lone gunman conclusion were "no problem"?
Gerald Ford: Warren Commission skeptics "no problem"
by a gnostic
Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:06:56 PM PDT
The Washington Post reports that, per newly declassified documents, Gerald Ford was secretly forwarding information to the FBI about the Warren Commission inquiry into John F. Kennedy's assassination and that Ford, then a congressman, told the FBI that skeptical members of the Warren Commission posed "no problem" to ____ (fill in the blank), that three members "failed to understand" the bullet trajectory, and that two members were skeptical that the shots came from the Texas Book Repository.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/08/08/564843/-Gerald-Ford-Warren-Commission-skeptics-no-problem
a gnostic's diary :: ::
Ford Told FBI of Skeptics on Warren Commission
A December 1963 memo recounts that Ford, then a Republican congressman from Michigan, told FBI Assistant Director Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach that two members of the seven-person commission remained unconvinced that Kennedy had been shot from the sixth-floor window of the Texas Book Depository. In addition, three commission members "failed to understand" the trajectory of the slugs, Ford said.
Ford told DeLoach that commission discussions would continue and reassured him that those minority points of view on the commission "of course would represent no problem," one internal FBI memo shows. The memo does not name the members involved and does not elaborate on what Ford meant by "no problem."
Here's the original story from the AP:
Ford told FBI about panels doubts on JFK murder
Former President Ford confided to FBI about panel's doubts over JFK assassination
MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN
AP News
Aug 09, 2008 09:19 EST
Former President Ford secretly advised the FBI that two of his fellow members on the Warren Commission doubted the FBI's conclusion that John F. Kennedy was shot from the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository in Dallas, according to newly released records from Ford's FBI files.
SNIP...
A newly released memorandum provides more details about Ford's role as the FBI's informant. DeLoach wrote on Dec. 17, 1963, to outline what Ford told him in the congressman's office about the commission meeting the day before.
"Two members of the commission brought up the fact that they still were not convinced that the President had been shot from the sixth floor window of the Texas Book Depository," DeLoach wrote. "These members failed to understand the trajectory of the slugs that killed the President. He stated he felt this point would be discussed further but, of course, would represent no problem."
There was no explanation of what Ford meant by "no problem."
Warren Commission records released in 1997 revealed that in the final report Ford changed the staff's original description of one of Kennedy's wounds. Ford said then he only made the description more precise. Skeptics said Ford's wording falsely made the wound seem higher on the body to make the panel's conclusion that one bullet hit both Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally more plausible.
CONTINUED...
Source: AP News
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=288461
This is thanks to DUer Debra Conway and her colleagues at JFK Lancer:
Gerald Ford's Terrible Fiction
Moving the Back Wound and the Single Bullet Theory
Read Gerald Ford's correction to the Warren Commission Report Draft:
page 1 page 2
The initial draft of the report stated:
"A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."
Ford wanted it to read:
"A bullet had entered the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine."
Autopsy Face Sheet
Drawing showing area of back wound
JFK assassination eye-witnesses, including the observations of at least one Secret Service man in Dealey Plaza and several FBI agents present at the Bethesda autopsy, placed the president's back wound exactly where the mute testimony of the president's jacket and shirt showed where the wound was: six inches below the collar line.
CONTINUED w DOCUMENTS, EVIDENCE, LINKS...
http://jfklancer.com/Ford-Rankin.html
Look where the bullet hole in the president's jacket is:
No wonder Ford had to lie to sell the magic bullet theory. No one at all would believe the, ah, story.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The pumpkin had something inside that was worth something -- pumpkin seeds.
Whereas Quayle's head was just an empty shell of a human skull.
To this day, he remains the stupidest politician I have ever seen on the national stage of politics.
He was totally inept, clueless, and absolutely completely unaware of what was going on around him.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Who's also stupid. Ben Quayle called Obama worst president in history.
Those are fightin' words. Everybody knows Dan Q was nothing more than impeachment insurance for America's Caligula.
DFW
(54,330 posts)During the French Revolution, there was a rule that if something stopped the blade on the way down, it was a sign from God that the condemned was to be set free, and so he (or she) was.
As the legend goes, one day at the guillotine, an aristocrat was led up to be executed. He was asked if he wanted a blindfold or not. He said no. He was asked if he wanted to look up or down. He said up. He was placed onto the device, and the blade fell. But it stopped right above his neck. The crowd gasped. A sign from God! The man was set free.
The next man was led up, a former administrator for the court of King Louis. Same options. No blindfold, and he, too chose to look up and see it coming. The blade fell, and again, it stopped just before his neck. The crowd gasps again. Another sign from God! The man is set free.
A third man is led up. A civil engineer. Blindfold? No. Look down or up? Up. He is placed in the proper spot, but before the blade can be dropped, he cries out, "WAIT!! I see what the problem is!"
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)Maybe I should have written, "That's cleaver." I know, it's a heedless pun.
I had not heard of your joke before, but I see that it has a history on the web.
Thanks for posting.
The way I heard it was with a priest, a lawyer and an engineer, though.
DFW
(54,330 posts)Or whenever it was someone originally thought of it.
As my nephew was just awarded his PhD in engineering from Stanford his year, it was foremost in my memory, not that he has any intention of sharing the fate of the engineer in the joke.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Wealth Tax... confiscation yes.... but I will guarantee that both sides of the aisle would balk at this because there are just as many rich Democrats as Republicans.... It is us in the middle that get squeezed no matter which political side wins the argument... you want trickle down tax cuts for the rich.... Proven it doesn't work money never trickles and the promise that those rich folks will create jobs is a proven lie jobs become scarce as the rich horde their wealth, You want tax increases? Doesn't work either the rich lobby loopholes and move and hide their money so they never pay their fair share all the while screaming that they are being taxed out of existence as the national debt and deficits increase because of increased spending and those that do pay are the middle class because they have no means to move and hide their money and they are forced to pay higher both the higher taxes and pay for the increased prices for the goods and services produced by the rich who certainly won't pay their fair share........
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)"Dues" to be paid for living in this country and using our resources to fatten themselves.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)out of the earth poisioning us and the planet and then sell those same resources back to us for profit..... How it is even remotely fair that a hedgefund manager and I pay the same prices for a gallon of gasoline?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Those guys don't pay for anything.
They should pay higher Dues & Fees (Taxes) for their glutenous consumption of our resources.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)They know it's coming!
The_Commonist
(2,518 posts)It's a simple choice. Not difficult at all:
Pay an extra 2 or 3 per cent in taxes. And this doesn't even have to be forever.
Pay employees an extra buck or two. Sure, it will cut into your profits for a while, but you'll be creating customers.
Maybe drop a little bit of the corporate welfare, a few points of the military budget to infrastructure and education, maybe find a way to forgive some student loans and/or bad mortgages.
It really doesn't have to be more than what would be a few tweaks that they would barely notice.
OR
There's going to be a revolution fairly soon (I would say that if some of these things don't noticeably change by 2017 or 2018) then we're going to (try to) kill them all either in their beds or on the streets. And huge numbers of us will die in the process.
I mean c'mon, Richies... is that 4th Rolex REALLY worth losing your heads?
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The portrayals of these rich bastards and their hideously entitled and self-absorbed offspring is enough to drive out any sympathy you might have for them as humans. The complete extermination of them as an entity is their future if they do not remove the blinders and recognize soon what devastation they have wrought.
Too many have nothing while too few have everything with the exception of perspective. It doesn't have to end in blood, but it does have to end...the method and choice of just how violent or peaceful the transition will be is the decision of the rich. The last time we saw wealth concentrate to the levels it has attained now was right before the World Wars killed people in the MILLIONS and eventually led to a realignment of society across the globe. IF they choose that path again, they will all die - along with the rest of us.
You can have everything in the world, but if you try to keep it, the things you own will eventually suck the life out of you.
Morrison was right - "No one here gets out alive".
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ultimate goal. And wealth is relative thing. The wealthy are just trying to gain wealth, they are trying to gain more than their friends. Who will be the first to voluntarily stop?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Because they're stupid alarmist idiots?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)freebrew
(1,917 posts)I rather prefer the Russian method for some of these slimeballs(Cheney).
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's solved in one of two ways.
An example of the first way is the New Deal. Changes in taxes, laws and spending boost the middle and lower classes, reducing the inequality.
An example of the second way is the guillotine - or the line-em-up-and-shoot-em from the communist revolutions. The wealthy are slaughtered, along with a whole lot of other people, assets are seized and redistributed, reducing the inequality.
If the wealthy continue to block the first solution, they make the second inevitable.
hunter
(38,309 posts)... and he was working for the wealthy who had fucked everything up.
Many of the wealthy class did not get it. Had FDR failed they'd have ended up dead or worse, under the thumb of Soviet style communism or Nazi style fascism, as millions more innocent people died.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)If ya said that now they'd call you a terrorist ...but they are the ones who are social and economic terrorists.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)In reality he has, just as much anyone else that supports capitalism as a means to the end, decided everything they can touch is just more disposable trash. The fabric which our society is base is made on our collective ingenuity and not how much your divided share is worth at an auction.
Warren Buffett and making war on one's own being, what a concept to ponder
tclambert
(11,085 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)That is why they fight to defund and demonize the government from every possible angle, left and right, because they fear a government of involved citizenry. They denigrate government to keep the less wealthy from finding their voice and making changes for themselves.
Yes, the tax is a guillotine. They say the power to tax is the power to destroy. So they make us hate paying taxes to let them off the hook as well, without addressing the inequality of daily life.
They know exactly what it is and it is indeed, as they say, class warfare. It is the majority against those who rob the people daily. Those who won't participate in government allow the rich to take up all the air in the legislative and executive branches.
This will always assist the status quo the rich depend upon. If the status quo is unjust to people, they must work to change it. No one can do it for them, not one man or group. If th status quo is good for people, they will leave it in place. This goes down to the intent and needs of the individual. If things are bad for one's ideal, they will show up and work on it.
DFW
(54,330 posts)In France, for example, there is a 20% value added tax on everything, a 55% payroll tax employers pay tax on wages paid to employees, and an income tax that gets to over 55% in no time flat. An employee takes home maybe 20-30% of what he costs his employer. Why there is big unemployment is easy to see--it's too expensive to hire anyone to work for you. So what does the government do with all this money they rake in? Like one-celled animals, they divide and make more of themselves. They award themselves huge perks and lifetime pensions, create new agencies and subdivisions, send out brigades of "auditors" and customs squads to collect fines. If no law justifies one, they make one up on the spot (I've seen this). They collect a commission on fines they rake in, so they have every incentive to terrorize small businesses that can't pay for legal help to defend themselves, and leave the big companies alone because the big boys can pay the necessary bribes to protect themselves.
In other words, the state is not always benevolent, and state corruption is just as easy to achieve as private corruption (remember what happened to Ceaucescu in Romania). A degree of oversight is equally as necessary, and the trouble with the state being all powerful is that they are the ones who oversee themselves (see "Union, Soviet" . Stalin was not FDR. A degree of benevolence is necessary at the top, or the masses get oppressed no matter what the system. Bush Lite wasn't wrong when he joked that a dictatorship was fine as long as he was the dictator. There is a reason most of France hates Hollande's guts right now. He thinks Bush was right.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I used to believe in the balance of conservatives against others (progressive and liberals) to keep a balance between state and private business.
The Nordqist 'aastarve the beast' and his 'we only want a man with working digits as POTUS to sign off on the laws already written' by private funds is not democracy, it's not of any advantage to the majority of this country, only a very select few.
The Koch Libertarian plan - is not a balance, it's the road to theocracy and a new version of feudalism. The destruction of all that unified this country is their goal, to break it up and sell it all off.
And they're very close to achieving all these goals, here is the list:
Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.
We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.
We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.
We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.
We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.
We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.
We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.
We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.
As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.
We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.
We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.
We condemn compulsory education laws and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.
We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.
We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.
We support abolition of the Department of Energy.
We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.
We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.
We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.
We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.
We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.
We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.
We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and aid to the poor programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.
We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.
We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.
We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
We support the repeal of all state usury laws.
In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country...
Tomorrow it will be Social Security, ending Medicare as we know it, repealing the minimum wage. It seems to me that the Koch brothers will not be content until they get everything they believe they are entitled to.
Our great nation can no longer be hijacked by right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers.
For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, for the sake of our economy, we have got to let democracy prevail.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a7980koch
And the Koch brothers made a great fortune by bleeding the taxpayers for subsidies, influencing laws with that money, and they are in the home stretch. Honestly, the Europeans aren't as brain dead as Americans are on this.
While France and a few other nations there suck, there is nothing to compare to what is being done to us. I am not an anarchist by no means, no more than I am a full state supporter. Because I battle with them everyday in my personal life and have been for years.
But leaving the game to the current crop of criminals is not going to help anyone but the crooks.
Obama has done all he can to protect business and make it profitable for them in the USA and get them to employ people, but there is so much reactionary force being exerted to dissolve our government, and for no good reason, that the good that government can and does do daily for people, can't be underestimated.
DFW
(54,330 posts)No nation on earth hates its government more (and yet loves its own culture more as well) than France. The biggest difference between the French left and the American left is that when the American left gets into power, they try, usually with naïve visions of success and accompanying accolades, but at least the best of intentions, to make the country a better place. The French left thinks only of how it can stick it to their political enemies, and award themselves the most power and taxpayer-subsidized perks (sound familiar?--as in the people you just mentioned?). The French right (not to be confused with their far right--a VERY different animal) is less fanatical about sticking it to their enemies, maybe because they have more experience in power, and know from the start that no one will love them no matter what they do. The French left hasn't yet figured that out, and can't understand why it is that every time they look for a new group to harass, they just dig themselves deeper into a hole.
On the other hand, no one nation in Europe is facing such a well-financed onslaught from a radical rightist movement as we are. Nowhere in Europe does the extremist right have its own TV channel, its own network of hate radio, or well-funded "think-"tanks that exist to churn out propaganda for them, and to produce wordy papers saying nothing more than black is white and cancer is good for you.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I can't say I am surprised though. It is the long-range goal of the Republican party. The Libertarians are just more open and immediate about it.
The GOP throw in other stuff. All abortion criminalized. No easy access to birth control (and a break from their free trade policies when it comes to re-importation of prescription drugs). Every single child born out of wedlock should be given up for adoption.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)here is what I just posted and it's not primarily about the Koch brothers, but most of it is about them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024991892#post51
Look up ALEC Exposed to get a look at what they are doing state by state that includes all you mentioned. Rand Paul has threatened to hold up the budget and go into default to enact some of these on the national level.
The reason the Koch brothers, their GOP lackeys and their spiritual children, the Libertarians, are for those things is that they are commodifying the human race as production units, women for making more cheap labor, and they are globalists who have rigged the laws to get away with more profit by pitting human labor in various nations against each other until driven into poverty, desperation and death when their lives are in the negative range on the profit and loss sheets. They are for theocracy as a control device for the people after they have eliminated their primary foe, the federal government and the Democrats. They're playing for king of the planet.
We eithter get out act together and stop savaging each other, get our mind oj the goals and the shiny and hateful distractions, are they will finish off what we have left in 2014 and 2017.
Gotta go.
byronius
(7,392 posts)And I so apologize to sharks, who are generally more well-behaved than the sociopathic generational rich.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)TygrBright
(20,756 posts)Raksha
(7,167 posts)BTW, more than one yarn shop is named "Madame Defarge" or sometimes "Mesdames Defarge" if there's more than one owner.
It would be interesting to do a search and see if the number has increased in recent years.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)You know, the bit where society would fucking COLLAPSE because the 1% are the driving force of all things and the rest of us will revert to savagery without their divine presence.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)If the rest of us reverted to savagery (briefly) we could be WITHOUT their presence -- and that would be divine.
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)Take the company I work for. We have a lot of irons in the fire: we've got a shitload of newspapers and magazines, two resort hotels, a casino (it actually belongs to one of the tribes in Idaho; we manage it for them), a golf course, an advertising agency, a photo studio with two branches, an Internet marketing company, three boat dealerships, three marinas, a wooden-boat manufacturing company, and more restaurants than I can count. Give me time, I am certain I can think of more.
Our corporation's owner can't do any of the jobs any of those businesses offer. What he CAN do is find money. He is hella good at finding money, and that's exactly what a CEO needs to do: attract investors to put money into his or her business, and let the people who make stuff or sell stuff do what they do.
If our corporation's owner suddenly went Galt, all our businesses would continue to thrive. I mean, come on: does anyone really believe if Hank Rearden really existed, he'd know how to formulate alloys? Of course he wouldn't; he would hire an engineer and spend his time finding money.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Say the boat maker has a bad year due to low sales. You take funds from the golf course to keep the staff intact while you use the advertizing division to drum up business through the Internet marketing company.
Once you "go public" the Wall Street types step in and they consider you to be a good CEO if you loot every dollar from every division and hand it over to them.
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)If the golf course is having a bad year and the restaurants are having a good one, they'll shift employees from the golf department to the restaurant one. There are three great fiefdoms in the company - Hospitality, Media and Marine. Hospitality workers don't get told "today you go to the newspaper and feed inserter pockets" but within each division we'll move people around as necessary.
You are correct, Wall Street tends to require a company hand over every cent once it goes public...which is one of the thousands of reasons we haven't issued stock. Bonds, my friend, are the only way to go.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)As long as it isn't run by Mr. Drysdale.
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)If Department A is working its employees to death and Department B is twiddling its thumbs, there are three options.
Option 1 is to prop up Department B with Department A's revenue...which doesn't solve your manpower imbalance and winds up pissing off Department A's employees.
Option 2 is to execute layoffs at Department B and hire from outside at Department A...which of course means when Department A's business declines and Department B rebounds, you have to do the can-and-hire thing again. This assumes you can FIND anyone to hire for Department A...if Department A makes rubber baby buggy bumpers and you're the only company in the area that molds rubber, your pool of potential applicants is going to be really small.
Option 3 is to train some of Department B's workers to do what Department A does, and vice versa...then when B slows and A picks up you just tell the people at B to report for work Monday in A's building.
This only really works if you've got a diversified company with most of its operations in a small region. Most companies couldn't do that...even a really diversified one. GE can't tell its jet engine building crew they're making ranges today, at least not easily, because their engine factories and their appliance factories are not close together. Most of my company's operations are in one town.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)First they cry that the 99% are waging class warfare against them, and now they are upping the stakes and crying that we are ready to resurrect the guillotine.
Keep the fear-mongering up, boys.
docgee
(870 posts)smallcat88
(426 posts)for a conservative magazine, considering how much of what the 1% says and does today is reminiscent of the French aristocracy before the revolution. And I confess, when I think of the Koch brothers a guillotine does come to mind.
But frankly, I'd be a lot happier seeing them stripped of their wealth, forced to go to a shitty job and work their ass off, day after day and year after year, not earning enough to pay all their bills. THAT would be justice! They've proven they lack the philosophical capacity to put themselves in the other guys shoes. Do it to them literally. Real karmic justice.
A guillotine is too good for them. Too quick.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)with no benefits.
Wasn't there a judge once who sentenced a notorious slumlord to live in one of his own buildings?
dobleremolque
(489 posts)if I asked for a poster-sized copy of the cover? Entrepreneurial opportunity there...
pansypoo53219
(20,968 posts)WCLinolVir
(951 posts)Just in case someone misses the obvious. Paranoia. It really is different when you look at what has not apparently been affecting the wealthy. War? What war?? What deficit? The one they use to excuse and reshuffle yet more money to the wealthy through social cuts and tax breaks. Hard to believe someone actually wrote that self-serving crap.
WillyT
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stage left
(2,961 posts)What the hell were Iraq and Afghanistan? Training exercises?
Maynar
(769 posts)WTF?
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)decapitate Christians.
An amazing number of otherwise inexplicable Conservative notions only make sense in their religious context.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Unfortunately, they are wealthy enough to run. They will also turn their wealth into real property and commodities which they will take with them. The reality is, only the middle wealth will take the heat and the masses will simply fight among themselves until it gets so bad that someone calling him/herself a savior, a god, a political demigod, a Stalin, a Hitler will emerge and the wheel goes round and round and.....
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)In India, in China, in the Philippines, in Indonesia, in Singapore, in . . .
kentauros
(29,414 posts)would be more fun (bets accepted for distance records.) And it's not like they'd survive the landing, either...
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)tomp
(9,512 posts)the rich have been the cause of untold death and destruction through wars, environmental destruction, and inflicting of general misery through impoverishment of the people. they have refused every appeal to reason. this is a class of sociopaths. they are leaving few options for reasonable people.