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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:54 AM May 2014

Why American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines

http://www.alternet.org/economy/why-american-conservatives-are-suddenly-freaking-out-about-guillotines



On the June cover of the conservative magazine American Spectator, a vision arises from the collective unconscious of the rich. Angry citizens look on as a monocled fatcat is led to a blood-soaked guillotine, calling up the memory of the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution, when tens of thousands were executed, many by what came to be known as the "National Razor." The caption reads, “The New Class Warfare: Thomas Piketty’s intellectual cover for confiscation.” One member of the mob can be seen holding up a bloody copy of the French economist's recent book, Capital in the 21st Century.

Confiscation, of course, can only mean one thing. Off with their heads! In reality, the most "revolutionary" thing Professor Piketty calls for in his best-sellling tome is a wealth tax, but our rich are very sensitive.

In his article, however, James Pierson warns that a revolution is afoot, and that the 99 percent is going to try to punish the rich. The ungrateful horde is angry, he says, when they really should be celebrating their marvelous good fortune and thanking their betters:

“From one point of view, the contemporary era has been a 'gilded age' of regression and reaction due to rising inequality and increasing concentrations of wealth. But from another it can be seen as a 'golden age' of capitalism marked by fabulous innovations, globalizing markets, the absence of major wars, rising living standards, low inflation and interest rates, and a thirty-year bull market in stocks, bonds, and real estate.”

Yes, things do indeed look very different to the haves and the have-nots. But some of the haves are willing to say what’s actually going down — and it's a war of their own making. Warren Buffett made this very clear in his declaration: “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
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Why American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines (Original Post) xchrom May 2014 OP
Well, lethal injection has become unreliable, so... jberryhill May 2014 #1
Unbelievable Whiners liberalmike27 May 2014 #33
Would A Few Less 1% Heads Really Be All That Troubling? cantbeserious May 2014 #2
I think it's our only hope FiveGoodMen May 2014 #61
not to me, cantbeserious. Unfortunately. But then I will be following roguevalley May 2014 #96
I hope they're terrified malaise May 2014 #3
They have had how many chances to not be assholes? randys1 May 2014 #26
Conservatives want to blur the difference between execution and blood donation (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #4
! xchrom May 2014 #5
Exactamente! (nt) paleotn May 2014 #7
nicely done! fishwax May 2014 #54
Guillotines are actually very humane, and were designed with that in mind. Crunchy Frog May 2014 #6
How exactly is any execution tool "humane"? nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #41
...about as humane as grade B derivatives. L0oniX May 2014 #46
Thank you JustAnotherGen May 2014 #53
They used to use an ax. maddiemom May 2014 #58
...that sometimes required multiple 'whacks'... pizzadave May 2014 #64
More humane than the wars they send the 99% into. nt valerief May 2014 #80
Given that like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama will probably be worth well over $100 million, Nye Bevan May 2014 #8
Paulson with Co-Conspirators: bvar22 May 2014 #49
I've heard Bill Clinton demigoddess May 2014 #126
Diamond, Geithner, Paulson.... look what they have done for us.. Hoppy May 2014 #9
The privileged class never gets the point until they are running for their lives. hobbit709 May 2014 #10
I think they'd be getting the edge, rather than the point. riqster May 2014 #16
:-) randys1 May 2014 #27
Either works for me. Maynar May 2014 #100
One of my favorite quotes from "The Grapes of Wrath" deutsey May 2014 #25
Yes. But they can't........ socialist_n_TN May 2014 #32
That's just silly. Of course they can. The_Commonist May 2014 #50
+ n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #55
Sorry, I don't agree. Capitalism is set up to block.... socialist_n_TN May 2014 #83
It seems the competition in capitalism is in the effort to get rid of competitors so that we end up gtar100 May 2014 #93
Pretty much....... socialist_n_TN May 2014 #117
That is an amazing quote. The rich often do cut themselves off from the rest of humanity. reformist2 May 2014 #91
And we have our thread winner. Brigid May 2014 #28
Which is what a lot of people do every day. WCLinolVir May 2014 #90
A few months ago, someone posted a very nice Bohunk68 May 2014 #11
Like this one? Enthusiast May 2014 #12
THAT'S THE ONE!!!! Bohunk68 May 2014 #15
That should be on post cards being sent to the 1% everywhere. L0oniX May 2014 #45
Aha! More proof that great minds think alike. Raksha May 2014 #76
That picture would make a great postcard to send to the CEOs of Goldman-Sachs, Raksha May 2014 #75
Somehow I like defacto7 May 2014 #104
Put that sucker on Wall Street PADemD May 2014 #14
I think it's been suggested: freshwest May 2014 #59
Once again proving that today's conservatives think... JHB May 2014 #13
"Punish the rich"? Nah, we just want back what they've stolen. Scuba May 2014 #17
+1 xchrom May 2014 #18
Most thieves when caught end up in jail. L0oniX May 2014 #44
This would be a good op... F4lconF16 May 2014 #72
A while ago, yes. Thanks. Scuba May 2014 #74
This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #84
Exactly. We are going to challenge their claim that they earned their billions. They didn't. reformist2 May 2014 #86
Reform or revolution. That is always the choice. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #19
Hmmm ...something about revolution and the US ...where did I read about that? L0oniX May 2014 #43
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible... bvar22 May 2014 #51
Exactly billhicks76 May 2014 #62
Fuck, dude, that's why they blew his head off!! Major Hogwash May 2014 #111
Sound like a good idea. OldRedneck May 2014 #20
Gee. The wealthiest people in human history and they have a problem with sharing. Octafish May 2014 #21
The wealthiest people in human history have a problem with sharing. DamnYankeeInHouston May 2014 #36
They even have a problem with simply dialing it back JHB May 2014 #47
Quayle is the spokesperson for American conservatism. valerief May 2014 #82
Actual photograph Octafish May 2014 #87
Who was the original less-than-sharp Republican - Ford, Reagan, Quayle or someone else? xocet May 2014 #108
Thank you for the "potatoe" news video. It says it all about the situation our nation is in. Octafish May 2014 #118
That's really not fair to Quayle. Major Hogwash May 2014 #110
I disagree. I think Palin was dumber. (eom) StevieM May 2014 #113
He's got a son in politics. Octafish May 2014 #119
There is a famous legend about the guillotine here in Europe DFW May 2014 #22
LOL! That's clever. It was not included in a list of engineer jokes I recently read. John1956PA May 2014 #78
DUzy! eridani May 2014 #92
I'm sure there have been several versions since 1789 DFW May 2014 #103
Finally someone actually has the answer humbled_opinion May 2014 #23
Both parties are corporate owned. Next puppet ...Hillary? L0oniX May 2014 #42
Not "confiscation". bvar22 May 2014 #65
They suck all of our natural resources humbled_opinion Jun 2014 #131
I'm sure the hedgefund manager "expenses" HIS gasoline. bvar22 Jun 2014 #132
They are worried because... Helen Borg May 2014 #24
They just really don't seem to get it, do they? The_Commonist May 2014 #29
Watch "Born Rich" or "The One Percent" by Jamie Johnson Moostache May 2014 #37
Excellent post BrotherIvan May 2014 #52
The problem is that in our capitalistic society, the accumulation of wealth is the rhett o rick May 2014 #101
This will be my favorite post of the day. Have a hugh grin on my face. Let them eat their own deeds. jwirr May 2014 #30
Why American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines AlbertCat May 2014 #31
Don't forget ...almost everyone became "alarmists" after 911. L0oniX May 2014 #40
Eat the Rich... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #34
I always loved that song and that's the best video version ever. Thanks! freshwest May 2014 #66
Guillotines are too easy for them... freebrew May 2014 #35
This level of inequality is always unstable. jeff47 May 2014 #38
This is true. FDR was working for the displaced... hunter May 2014 #69
"Off with their heads" ...isn't that what they used to say? L0oniX May 2014 #39
Warren Buffett is myopic with very old views nolabels May 2014 #48
If you can't find one a Home Depot, here are plans: tclambert May 2014 #56
The rich see it clearly. Taxes are the people's method to storm their castles, reaching them where freshwest May 2014 #57
A balance must be struck, though DFW May 2014 #105
Well, what the French are doing is nuts, then. They're attacking everyone to feed a state industry. freshwest May 2014 #107
About 80% of the French would agree with you. DFW May 2014 #120
Wow...those are just a few of their ideas? StevieM May 2014 #121
Actually, the things that the GOP throw in are in the Koch funded ALEC laws. I've got to go, but freshwest May 2014 #122
God forbid we should not live in a fucking shark tank. byronius May 2014 #60
The "new class warfare" began decades ago. This is a counterattack. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #63
I HAVE been thinking about learning to knit... n/t TygrBright May 2014 #67
Knitting is a great stress reliever...I should do it more often. Raksha May 2014 #79
To think they were trying to sell the Atlas Shrugged crap.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #68
" the rest of us will revert to savagery without their divine presence " FiveGoodMen May 2014 #70
I don't think Ayn Rand intended her wheel chock to be a comedy book, but in fact it is jmowreader May 2014 #123
A good CEO uses money from a triving section to support a troubled section.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #124
Or you move people rather than funds jmowreader May 2014 #125
A massive balance with a friendly smaller bank works too.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #127
Staff moves are better jmowreader May 2014 #128
Using the same employees is the best especially if a pension is involved. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #129
BTW: Some banks are so stupid that they think workers who do car loans can't do home loans. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #130
They certainly are making themselves the victims, again. Curmudgeoness May 2014 #71
National Razor - good name for a band. nt docgee May 2014 #73
Ironic cover smallcat88 May 2014 #77
Really, I'd confiscate their wealth and make them work for minimum wage Lydia Leftcoast May 2014 #81
I wonder if the magazine would freak out dobleremolque May 2014 #85
maybe they could try sharing a bit. pansypoo53219 May 2014 #88
WOW-Intellectual cover, huh? Then they got to dumb it down. WCLinolVir May 2014 #89
I'm Glad They're Worried... They Should Be... WillyT May 2014 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #95
"the absence of major wars?" stage left May 2014 #97
That was my first thought, too Maynar May 2014 #99
K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #98
Actually the main reason is probably religion. Rapture weirdos believe that the Anti-Christ will LeftyMom May 2014 #102
I feel the sentiment, the anger and understand it, defacto7 May 2014 #106
Not only that, there's all those jobs the ultra-wealthy class created!! Major Hogwash May 2014 #109
I think a trebuchet launching them down the length of Wall Street kentauros May 2014 #112
There won't be any satisfaction coming out of DC. That town is a wholly owned subsidiary of the 1%! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #114
they are fairly asking for guillotines. tomp May 2014 #115
We got the guillotine fbc May 2014 #116

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
33. Unbelievable Whiners
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:58 AM
May 2014

The rich are--My general reaction to these persecution remarks or articles like this from the rich are more or less "What a bunch of babies, as you can't even talk about someone raising your taxes without whining."

Now my thinking has gone to "Not yet Mr. Oligarch, we've not guillotined you yet, but you just keep on doing what you're doing, and we'll get there."

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
96. not to me, cantbeserious. Unfortunately. But then I will be following
Thu May 22, 2014, 10:14 PM
May 2014

a family tradition. My mom's family ancestor helped dead King Charles 1 of england. Ten years later they were running for their lives ... always a hiccup in the path to progress.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. They have had how many chances to not be assholes?
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:42 AM
May 2014

At this point the position of a rightwing one percenter is unacceptable to the human race, just cant allow it any longer as it is killing all life on the planet whether it be thru economics or climate change

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
6. Guillotines are actually very humane, and were designed with that in mind.
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:12 AM
May 2014

A far better system than that endured by the "common folk" in this country. They should be grateful.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
8. Given that like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama will probably be worth well over $100 million,
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:26 AM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 22, 2014, 08:08 AM - Edit history (1)

within 15 years or so of leaving office, I have a feeling that neither he nor Hillary will be endorsing a wealth tax anytime soon.

And a quick glance at the net worth of senators and congressmen will also confirm the remote likelihood of such a tax being pushed by the likes of Alan Grayson, Nancy Pelosi, or Elizabeth Warren.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
49. Paulson with Co-Conspirators:
Thu May 22, 2014, 12:00 PM
May 2014

[font color=white]........................[/font][font size=4]Now THIS is Bi-Partisanship![/font]

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
126. I've heard Bill Clinton
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:51 PM
May 2014

in speeches saying things that make me think he would agree with a bigger tax on wealth. And it would not hurt is what he seemed to be saying. So I think you are wrong, but the guys in Congress, another story.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
9. Diamond, Geithner, Paulson.... look what they have done for us..
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:28 AM
May 2014

you ungrateful bastards.


(This is scarcastic for the dumbasses that can't tell the difference.)

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
25. One of my favorite quotes from "The Grapes of Wrath"
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:37 AM
May 2014

This is the beginning—from "I" to "we". If you who own the things people must have could understand this, you might preserve yourself. If you could separate causes from results, if you could know that Paine, Marx, Jefferson, Lenin were results, not causes, you might survive. But that you cannot know. For the quality of owning freezes you forever into "I", and cuts you off forever from the "we".

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
32. Yes. But they can't........
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:56 AM
May 2014

It's not that they won't because of greed or some other form of human failing, it's that the CAN'T. The system won't LET them. Which is why a systemic change in in order.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
50. That's just silly. Of course they can.
Thu May 22, 2014, 12:03 PM
May 2014

Stockholders could vote to increase wages, because it would be better for the health of the company. Wealthy individuals could choose not to take all the deductions they might be entitled to, for the health of the country. Entrepreneurs could choose to go start businesses that make products that actual people will use, rather than more war machines we don't need, that are paid for with our taxes. Lawyerly types could choose to make $200,000 a year representing humans, rather than $400,000 a year lobbying for corporations.

It's just greed. Greed and short-sightedness. It's greed that built the system. Human greed.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
83. Sorry, I don't agree. Capitalism is set up to block....
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:26 PM
May 2014

any and every one of those options for the people you talk about. Capitalism is based on maximum profit and competition between people and companies. If any concern did any of those things they wouldn't be competitive under capitalism and eventually would either go broke or get bought out by someone that WOULD play the game.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
93. It seems the competition in capitalism is in the effort to get rid of competitors so that we end up
Thu May 22, 2014, 10:00 PM
May 2014

with fewer and fewer companies, thus eliminating competition. So the old adage that capitalism is self correcting through competition is very relatively. An all these self-identified capitalists who sing the high praises of free markets on the foundation of competition are nothing more than hypocrites running in cowardly fear to the safety and security of monopolies.

Just to add... doesn't it seem that capitalism really works best when there is more or less an even distribution of wealth. Then competition can live up to its potential.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
117. Pretty much.......
Fri May 23, 2014, 09:16 AM
May 2014

The tendency is for capitalism to concentrate wealth, especially in it's end stages. It really IS like a Monopoly game where one person (or at least a very small group of huge companies) owns everything. And since, by this time, the capitalists have pretty much bought the governments of the various countries, you have a situation of empires, backed and financed by national capital, jockeying for resources and market share in the name of the countries and trading blocs involved.

The empire theory has been happening for a while now. What's different now is that capital is worldwide in scope and that's changing the game somewhat. Nation states and imperial trading blocs are still important, but sometimes more than one bloc is backed by the international capitalists. Ergo, they win no matter which empire wins.

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
90. Which is what a lot of people do every day.
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:27 PM
May 2014

With multiple jobs, sleep deprivation, stress, you name it. Scrambling to keep a roof over their heads.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
11. A few months ago, someone posted a very nice
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:48 AM
May 2014

pic of a Guillotine. Which I call the 1792 French Solution. Every now and then I post it on fb. Put that sucker on Wall Street and the Congress. Off with their heads, confiscate their ill-gotten wealth, put their spouses and spawn out on the street.. In a Christian manner, of course. I'm not even sure anymore if I'm being sarcastic. After all, don't the Teabaggers tell us all the time how Jefferson said the Tree of Liberty needs to be nourished with the blood of tyrants from time to time?

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
76. Aha! More proof that great minds think alike.
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:17 PM
May 2014

I posted my response to that picture before I read yours.

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
75. That picture would make a great postcard to send to the CEOs of Goldman-Sachs,
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:16 PM
May 2014

Monsanto, Walmart, et al.

I think someone should seriously think about reproducing it in quantity.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
14. Put that sucker on Wall Street
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:01 AM
May 2014

in place of the Wall Street Bull as a daily reminder of the consequence of greed.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
13. Once again proving that today's conservatives think...
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:59 AM
May 2014

...that Eisenhower Republicans were communists.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
19. Reform or revolution. That is always the choice.
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:19 AM
May 2014

If the political system is too corrupt to reform it will disintegrate. Who gets their heads lopped off depends on how that disintegration occurs.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
51. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible...
Thu May 22, 2014, 12:03 PM
May 2014

... will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy


The RICH know this.
That is WHY they are having their mouth pieces in Washington build a massive Surveillance/Security State to protect them.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
62. Exactly
Thu May 22, 2014, 04:40 PM
May 2014

Another reason not to vote for Hillary or Jeb in 2016 primaries. They are simply two sides of the same coin.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
111. Fuck, dude, that's why they blew his head off!!
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:57 AM
May 2014

JFK was going to be the leader of a peaceful revolution.
One bullet changed all that history.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
20. Sound like a good idea.
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:24 AM
May 2014

To paraphrase:

Q: What do you call it when a couple of Goldmann-Sachs executives go to the guillotine?

A: A GOOD START!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Gee. The wealthiest people in human history and they have a problem with sharing.
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:26 AM
May 2014

Privilege does that to the human psyche. As Dan Q. was wont to say, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind" (or "head," in your excellent example).

JHB

(37,158 posts)
47. They even have a problem with simply dialing it back
Thu May 22, 2014, 10:38 AM
May 2014

The suggestion "couldn't you slow down how fast you get even more wealthy?" is equated with "off with their heads!"

valerief

(53,235 posts)
82. Quayle is the spokesperson for American conservatism.
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:25 PM
May 2014

What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.
-- Vice President Dan Quayle winning friends while speaking to the United Negro College Fund, 5/9/89 This gem has been added to Bartlett's `Familiar Quotations'. Reported in Esquire, 8/92. Reported in the NY Times, 12/9/92.

Oh, yes, he was a real Einstein. Another favorite:

If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure.
-- Vice President Dan Quayle, to the Phoenix Republican Forum, 3/23/90. Reported in Esquire, 8/92. Also reported by Reuters, 5/2/90.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
87. Actual photograph
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:04 PM
May 2014


Actual cutline (paraphrase from an old memory): "Dan Quayle, left, holds a pumpkin next to his head at a country fair..."

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
118. Thank you for the "potatoe" news video. It says it all about the situation our nation is in.
Fri May 23, 2014, 09:56 AM
May 2014

Ford, whom Chevy Chase on Saturday Night Live parodied falling down an airplane stairway. Unfortunately, it helped America ignore Ford's important role in JFK cover-up.

Gerald Ford: Skeptics on Warren Commission posed ''No problem.''

The good gnostic at DailyKos asks a great question that gets to the heart of the problem that faces We the People:

What did Gerald Ford mean when he told J Edgar Hoover that the Warren Commission members who disagreed with the lone gunman conclusion were "no problem"?



Gerald Ford: Warren Commission skeptics "no problem"

by a gnostic
Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:06:56 PM PDT

The Washington Post reports that, per newly declassified documents, Gerald Ford was secretly forwarding information to the FBI about the Warren Commission inquiry into John F. Kennedy's assassination and that Ford, then a congressman, told the FBI that skeptical members of the Warren Commission posed "no problem" to ____ (fill in the blank), that three members "failed to understand" the bullet trajectory, and that two members were skeptical that the shots came from the Texas Book Repository.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/08/08/564843/-Gerald-Ford-Warren-Commission-skeptics-no-problem

a gnostic's diary :: ::

Ford Told FBI of Skeptics on Warren Commission

A December 1963 memo recounts that Ford, then a Republican congressman from Michigan, told FBI Assistant Director Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach that two members of the seven-person commission remained unconvinced that Kennedy had been shot from the sixth-floor window of the Texas Book Depository. In addition, three commission members "failed to understand" the trajectory of the slugs, Ford said.

Ford told DeLoach that commission discussions would continue and reassured him that those minority points of view on the commission "of course would represent no problem," one internal FBI memo shows. The memo does not name the members involved and does not elaborate on what Ford meant by "no problem."



Here's the original story from the AP:



Ford told FBI about panel’s doubts on JFK murder

Former President Ford confided to FBI about panel's doubts over JFK assassination

MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN
AP News
Aug 09, 2008 09:19 EST

Former President Ford secretly advised the FBI that two of his fellow members on the Warren Commission doubted the FBI's conclusion that John F. Kennedy was shot from the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository in Dallas, according to newly released records from Ford's FBI files.

SNIP...

A newly released memorandum provides more details about Ford's role as the FBI's informant. DeLoach wrote on Dec. 17, 1963, to outline what Ford told him in the congressman's office about the commission meeting the day before.

"Two members of the commission brought up the fact that they still were not convinced that the President had been shot from the sixth floor window of the Texas Book Depository," DeLoach wrote. "These members failed to understand the trajectory of the slugs that killed the President. He stated he felt this point would be discussed further but, of course, would represent no problem."

There was no explanation of what Ford meant by "no problem."

Warren Commission records released in 1997 revealed that in the final report Ford changed the staff's original description of one of Kennedy's wounds. Ford said then he only made the description more precise. Skeptics said Ford's wording falsely made the wound seem higher on the body to make the panel's conclusion that one bullet hit both Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally more plausible.

CONTINUED...

Source: AP News

http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=288461



This is thanks to DUer Debra Conway and her colleagues at JFK Lancer:



Gerald Ford's Terrible Fiction

Moving the Back Wound and the Single Bullet Theory


Read Gerald Ford's correction to the Warren Commission Report Draft:

page 1 page 2

The initial draft of the report stated:
"A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."

Ford wanted it to read:
"A bullet had entered the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine."

Autopsy Face Sheet
Drawing showing area of back wound

JFK assassination eye-witnesses, including the observations of at least one Secret Service man in Dealey Plaza and several FBI agents present at the Bethesda autopsy, placed the president's back wound exactly where the mute testimony of the president's jacket and shirt showed where the wound was: six inches below the collar line.

CONTINUED w DOCUMENTS, EVIDENCE, LINKS...

http://jfklancer.com/Ford-Rankin.html



Look where the bullet hole in the president's jacket is:



No wonder Ford had to lie to sell the magic bullet theory. No one at all would believe the, ah, story.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
110. That's really not fair to Quayle.
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:52 AM
May 2014

The pumpkin had something inside that was worth something -- pumpkin seeds.

Whereas Quayle's head was just an empty shell of a human skull.

To this day, he remains the stupidest politician I have ever seen on the national stage of politics.
He was totally inept, clueless, and absolutely completely unaware of what was going on around him.





Octafish

(55,745 posts)
119. He's got a son in politics.
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:00 AM
May 2014

Who's also stupid. Ben Quayle called Obama worst president in history.

Those are fightin' words. Everybody knows Dan Q was nothing more than impeachment insurance for America's Caligula.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
22. There is a famous legend about the guillotine here in Europe
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:28 AM
May 2014

During the French Revolution, there was a rule that if something stopped the blade on the way down, it was a sign from God that the condemned was to be set free, and so he (or she) was.

As the legend goes, one day at the guillotine, an aristocrat was led up to be executed. He was asked if he wanted a blindfold or not. He said no. He was asked if he wanted to look up or down. He said up. He was placed onto the device, and the blade fell. But it stopped right above his neck. The crowd gasped. A sign from God! The man was set free.

The next man was led up, a former administrator for the court of King Louis. Same options. No blindfold, and he, too chose to look up and see it coming. The blade fell, and again, it stopped just before his neck. The crowd gasps again. Another sign from God! The man is set free.

A third man is led up. A civil engineer. Blindfold? No. Look down or up? Up. He is placed in the proper spot, but before the blade can be dropped, he cries out, "WAIT!! I see what the problem is!"

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
78. LOL! That's clever. It was not included in a list of engineer jokes I recently read.
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:41 PM
May 2014

Maybe I should have written, "That's cleaver." I know, it's a heedless pun.

I had not heard of your joke before, but I see that it has a history on the web.

Thanks for posting.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
103. I'm sure there have been several versions since 1789
Fri May 23, 2014, 12:59 AM
May 2014

Or whenever it was someone originally thought of it.

As my nephew was just awarded his PhD in engineering from Stanford his year, it was foremost in my memory, not that he has any intention of sharing the fate of the engineer in the joke.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
23. Finally someone actually has the answer
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:34 AM
May 2014

Wealth Tax... confiscation yes.... but I will guarantee that both sides of the aisle would balk at this because there are just as many rich Democrats as Republicans.... It is us in the middle that get squeezed no matter which political side wins the argument... you want trickle down tax cuts for the rich.... Proven it doesn't work money never trickles and the promise that those rich folks will create jobs is a proven lie jobs become scarce as the rich horde their wealth, You want tax increases? Doesn't work either the rich lobby loopholes and move and hide their money so they never pay their fair share all the while screaming that they are being taxed out of existence as the national debt and deficits increase because of increased spending and those that do pay are the middle class because they have no means to move and hide their money and they are forced to pay higher both the higher taxes and pay for the increased prices for the goods and services produced by the rich who certainly won't pay their fair share........

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
65. Not "confiscation".
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:16 PM
May 2014

"Dues" to be paid for living in this country and using our resources to fatten themselves.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
131. They suck all of our natural resources
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jun 2014

out of the earth poisioning us and the planet and then sell those same resources back to us for profit..... How it is even remotely fair that a hedgefund manager and I pay the same prices for a gallon of gasoline?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
132. I'm sure the hedgefund manager "expenses" HIS gasoline.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:13 PM
Jun 2014

Those guys don't pay for anything.

They should pay higher Dues & Fees (Taxes) for their glutenous consumption of our resources.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
29. They just really don't seem to get it, do they?
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:45 AM
May 2014

It's a simple choice. Not difficult at all:

Pay an extra 2 or 3 per cent in taxes. And this doesn't even have to be forever.
Pay employees an extra buck or two. Sure, it will cut into your profits for a while, but you'll be creating customers.
Maybe drop a little bit of the corporate welfare, a few points of the military budget to infrastructure and education, maybe find a way to forgive some student loans and/or bad mortgages.

It really doesn't have to be more than what would be a few tweaks that they would barely notice.

OR

There's going to be a revolution fairly soon (I would say that if some of these things don't noticeably change by 2017 or 2018) then we're going to (try to) kill them all either in their beds or on the streets. And huge numbers of us will die in the process.

I mean c'mon, Richies... is that 4th Rolex REALLY worth losing your heads?

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
37. Watch "Born Rich" or "The One Percent" by Jamie Johnson
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:29 AM
May 2014

The portrayals of these rich bastards and their hideously entitled and self-absorbed offspring is enough to drive out any sympathy you might have for them as humans. The complete extermination of them as an entity is their future if they do not remove the blinders and recognize soon what devastation they have wrought.

Too many have nothing while too few have everything with the exception of perspective. It doesn't have to end in blood, but it does have to end...the method and choice of just how violent or peaceful the transition will be is the decision of the rich. The last time we saw wealth concentrate to the levels it has attained now was right before the World Wars killed people in the MILLIONS and eventually led to a realignment of society across the globe. IF they choose that path again, they will all die - along with the rest of us.

You can have everything in the world, but if you try to keep it, the things you own will eventually suck the life out of you.

Morrison was right - "No one here gets out alive".

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
101. The problem is that in our capitalistic society, the accumulation of wealth is the
Fri May 23, 2014, 12:27 AM
May 2014

ultimate goal. And wealth is relative thing. The wealthy are just trying to gain wealth, they are trying to gain more than their friends. Who will be the first to voluntarily stop?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
30. This will be my favorite post of the day. Have a hugh grin on my face. Let them eat their own deeds.
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:49 AM
May 2014
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
31. Why American Conservatives Are Suddenly Freaking Out About Guillotines
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:55 AM
May 2014

Because they're stupid alarmist idiots?

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
35. Guillotines are too easy for them...
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:01 AM
May 2014

I rather prefer the Russian method for some of these slimeballs(Cheney).

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
38. This level of inequality is always unstable.
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:53 AM
May 2014

It's solved in one of two ways.

An example of the first way is the New Deal. Changes in taxes, laws and spending boost the middle and lower classes, reducing the inequality.

An example of the second way is the guillotine - or the line-em-up-and-shoot-em from the communist revolutions. The wealthy are slaughtered, along with a whole lot of other people, assets are seized and redistributed, reducing the inequality.

If the wealthy continue to block the first solution, they make the second inevitable.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
69. This is true. FDR was working for the displaced...
Thu May 22, 2014, 06:08 PM
May 2014

... and he was working for the wealthy who had fucked everything up.

Many of the wealthy class did not get it. Had FDR failed they'd have ended up dead or worse, under the thumb of Soviet style communism or Nazi style fascism, as millions more innocent people died.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
39. "Off with their heads" ...isn't that what they used to say?
Thu May 22, 2014, 10:17 AM
May 2014

If ya said that now they'd call you a terrorist ...but they are the ones who are social and economic terrorists.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
48. Warren Buffett is myopic with very old views
Thu May 22, 2014, 11:06 AM
May 2014

In reality he has, just as much anyone else that supports capitalism as a means to the end, decided everything they can touch is just more disposable trash. The fabric which our society is base is made on our collective ingenuity and not how much your divided share is worth at an auction.

Warren Buffett and making war on one's own being, what a concept to ponder

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
57. The rich see it clearly. Taxes are the people's method to storm their castles, reaching them where
Thu May 22, 2014, 02:59 PM
May 2014
they hoard their greatest treasure, their money.

That is why they fight to defund and demonize the government from every possible angle, left and right, because they fear a government of involved citizenry. They denigrate government to keep the less wealthy from finding their voice and making changes for themselves.

Yes, the tax is a guillotine. They say the power to tax is the power to destroy. So they make us hate paying taxes to let them off the hook as well, without addressing the inequality of daily life.

They know exactly what it is and it is indeed, as they say, class warfare. It is the majority against those who rob the people daily. Those who won't participate in government allow the rich to take up all the air in the legislative and executive branches.

This will always assist the status quo the rich depend upon. If the status quo is unjust to people, they must work to change it. No one can do it for them, not one man or group. If th status quo is good for people, they will leave it in place. This goes down to the intent and needs of the individual. If things are bad for one's ideal, they will show up and work on it.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
105. A balance must be struck, though
Fri May 23, 2014, 01:15 AM
May 2014

In France, for example, there is a 20% value added tax on everything, a 55% payroll tax employers pay tax on wages paid to employees, and an income tax that gets to over 55% in no time flat. An employee takes home maybe 20-30% of what he costs his employer. Why there is big unemployment is easy to see--it's too expensive to hire anyone to work for you. So what does the government do with all this money they rake in? Like one-celled animals, they divide and make more of themselves. They award themselves huge perks and lifetime pensions, create new agencies and subdivisions, send out brigades of "auditors" and customs squads to collect fines. If no law justifies one, they make one up on the spot (I've seen this). They collect a commission on fines they rake in, so they have every incentive to terrorize small businesses that can't pay for legal help to defend themselves, and leave the big companies alone because the big boys can pay the necessary bribes to protect themselves.

In other words, the state is not always benevolent, and state corruption is just as easy to achieve as private corruption (remember what happened to Ceaucescu in Romania). A degree of oversight is equally as necessary, and the trouble with the state being all powerful is that they are the ones who oversee themselves (see "Union, Soviet&quot . Stalin was not FDR. A degree of benevolence is necessary at the top, or the masses get oppressed no matter what the system. Bush Lite wasn't wrong when he joked that a dictatorship was fine as long as he was the dictator. There is a reason most of France hates Hollande's guts right now. He thinks Bush was right.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
107. Well, what the French are doing is nuts, then. They're attacking everyone to feed a state industry.
Fri May 23, 2014, 02:00 AM
May 2014

I used to believe in the balance of conservatives against others (progressive and liberals) to keep a balance between state and private business.

The Nordqist 'aastarve the beast' and his 'we only want a man with working digits as POTUS to sign off on the laws already written' by private funds is not democracy, it's not of any advantage to the majority of this country, only a very select few.

The Koch Libertarian plan - is not a balance, it's the road to theocracy and a new version of feudalism. The destruction of all that unified this country is their goal, to break it up and sell it all off.

And they're very close to achieving all these goals, here is the list:


Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
“We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
“We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
“We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

In other words, the agenda of the Koch brothers is not only to defund Obamacare. The agenda of the Koch brothers is to repeal every major piece of legislation that has been signed into law over the past 80 years that has protected the middle class, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the most vulnerable in this country...

Tomorrow it will be Social Security, ending Medicare as we know it, repealing the minimum wage. It seems to me that the Koch brothers will not be content until they get everything they believe they are entitled to.

Our great nation can no longer be hijacked by right-wing billionaires like the Koch brothers.

For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, for the sake of our economy, we have got to let democracy prevail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024806298

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a7980koch

And the Koch brothers made a great fortune by bleeding the taxpayers for subsidies, influencing laws with that money, and they are in the home stretch. Honestly, the Europeans aren't as brain dead as Americans are on this.

While France and a few other nations there suck, there is nothing to compare to what is being done to us. I am not an anarchist by no means, no more than I am a full state supporter. Because I battle with them everyday in my personal life and have been for years.

But leaving the game to the current crop of criminals is not going to help anyone but the crooks.

Obama has done all he can to protect business and make it profitable for them in the USA and get them to employ people, but there is so much reactionary force being exerted to dissolve our government, and for no good reason, that the good that government can and does do daily for people, can't be underestimated.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
120. About 80% of the French would agree with you.
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:56 AM
May 2014

No nation on earth hates its government more (and yet loves its own culture more as well) than France. The biggest difference between the French left and the American left is that when the American left gets into power, they try, usually with naïve visions of success and accompanying accolades, but at least the best of intentions, to make the country a better place. The French left thinks only of how it can stick it to their political enemies, and award themselves the most power and taxpayer-subsidized perks (sound familiar?--as in the people you just mentioned?). The French right (not to be confused with their far right--a VERY different animal) is less fanatical about sticking it to their enemies, maybe because they have more experience in power, and know from the start that no one will love them no matter what they do. The French left hasn't yet figured that out, and can't understand why it is that every time they look for a new group to harass, they just dig themselves deeper into a hole.

On the other hand, no one nation in Europe is facing such a well-financed onslaught from a radical rightist movement as we are. Nowhere in Europe does the extremist right have its own TV channel, its own network of hate radio, or well-funded "think-"tanks that exist to churn out propaganda for them, and to produce wordy papers saying nothing more than black is white and cancer is good for you.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
121. Wow...those are just a few of their ideas?
Sat May 24, 2014, 12:38 AM
May 2014

I can't say I am surprised though. It is the long-range goal of the Republican party. The Libertarians are just more open and immediate about it.

The GOP throw in other stuff. All abortion criminalized. No easy access to birth control (and a break from their free trade policies when it comes to re-importation of prescription drugs). Every single child born out of wedlock should be given up for adoption.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
122. Actually, the things that the GOP throw in are in the Koch funded ALEC laws. I've got to go, but
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:56 AM
May 2014

here is what I just posted and it's not primarily about the Koch brothers, but most of it is about them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024991892#post51

Look up ALEC Exposed to get a look at what they are doing state by state that includes all you mentioned. Rand Paul has threatened to hold up the budget and go into default to enact some of these on the national level.

The reason the Koch brothers, their GOP lackeys and their spiritual children, the Libertarians, are for those things is that they are commodifying the human race as production units, women for making more cheap labor, and they are globalists who have rigged the laws to get away with more profit by pitting human labor in various nations against each other until driven into poverty, desperation and death when their lives are in the negative range on the profit and loss sheets. They are for theocracy as a control device for the people after they have eliminated their primary foe, the federal government and the Democrats. They're playing for king of the planet.

We eithter get out act together and stop savaging each other, get our mind oj the goals and the shiny and hateful distractions, are they will finish off what we have left in 2014 and 2017.

Gotta go.

byronius

(7,392 posts)
60. God forbid we should not live in a fucking shark tank.
Thu May 22, 2014, 04:36 PM
May 2014

And I so apologize to sharks, who are generally more well-behaved than the sociopathic generational rich.

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
79. Knitting is a great stress reliever...I should do it more often.
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:58 PM
May 2014

BTW, more than one yarn shop is named "Madame Defarge" or sometimes "Mesdames Defarge" if there's more than one owner.

It would be interesting to do a search and see if the number has increased in recent years.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
68. To think they were trying to sell the Atlas Shrugged crap....
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:59 PM
May 2014

You know, the bit where society would fucking COLLAPSE because the 1% are the driving force of all things and the rest of us will revert to savagery without their divine presence.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
70. " the rest of us will revert to savagery without their divine presence "
Thu May 22, 2014, 06:11 PM
May 2014

If the rest of us reverted to savagery (briefly) we could be WITHOUT their presence -- and that would be divine.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
123. I don't think Ayn Rand intended her wheel chock to be a comedy book, but in fact it is
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:42 AM
May 2014

Take the company I work for. We have a lot of irons in the fire: we've got a shitload of newspapers and magazines, two resort hotels, a casino (it actually belongs to one of the tribes in Idaho; we manage it for them), a golf course, an advertising agency, a photo studio with two branches, an Internet marketing company, three boat dealerships, three marinas, a wooden-boat manufacturing company, and more restaurants than I can count. Give me time, I am certain I can think of more.

Our corporation's owner can't do any of the jobs any of those businesses offer. What he CAN do is find money. He is hella good at finding money, and that's exactly what a CEO needs to do: attract investors to put money into his or her business, and let the people who make stuff or sell stuff do what they do.

If our corporation's owner suddenly went Galt, all our businesses would continue to thrive. I mean, come on: does anyone really believe if Hank Rearden really existed, he'd know how to formulate alloys? Of course he wouldn't; he would hire an engineer and spend his time finding money.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
124. A good CEO uses money from a triving section to support a troubled section....
Sat May 24, 2014, 02:50 PM
May 2014

Say the boat maker has a bad year due to low sales. You take funds from the golf course to keep the staff intact while you use the advertizing division to drum up business through the Internet marketing company.

Once you "go public" the Wall Street types step in and they consider you to be a good CEO if you loot every dollar from every division and hand it over to them.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
125. Or you move people rather than funds
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:11 PM
May 2014

If the golf course is having a bad year and the restaurants are having a good one, they'll shift employees from the golf department to the restaurant one. There are three great fiefdoms in the company - Hospitality, Media and Marine. Hospitality workers don't get told "today you go to the newspaper and feed inserter pockets" but within each division we'll move people around as necessary.

You are correct, Wall Street tends to require a company hand over every cent once it goes public...which is one of the thousands of reasons we haven't issued stock. Bonds, my friend, are the only way to go.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
127. A massive balance with a friendly smaller bank works too....
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:55 PM
May 2014

As long as it isn't run by Mr. Drysdale.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
128. Staff moves are better
Sat May 24, 2014, 05:43 PM
May 2014

If Department A is working its employees to death and Department B is twiddling its thumbs, there are three options.

Option 1 is to prop up Department B with Department A's revenue...which doesn't solve your manpower imbalance and winds up pissing off Department A's employees.

Option 2 is to execute layoffs at Department B and hire from outside at Department A...which of course means when Department A's business declines and Department B rebounds, you have to do the can-and-hire thing again. This assumes you can FIND anyone to hire for Department A...if Department A makes rubber baby buggy bumpers and you're the only company in the area that molds rubber, your pool of potential applicants is going to be really small.

Option 3 is to train some of Department B's workers to do what Department A does, and vice versa...then when B slows and A picks up you just tell the people at B to report for work Monday in A's building.

This only really works if you've got a diversified company with most of its operations in a small region. Most companies couldn't do that...even a really diversified one. GE can't tell its jet engine building crew they're making ranges today, at least not easily, because their engine factories and their appliance factories are not close together. Most of my company's operations are in one town.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
71. They certainly are making themselves the victims, again.
Thu May 22, 2014, 06:33 PM
May 2014

First they cry that the 99% are waging class warfare against them, and now they are upping the stakes and crying that we are ready to resurrect the guillotine.

Keep the fear-mongering up, boys.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
77. Ironic cover
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:40 PM
May 2014

for a conservative magazine, considering how much of what the 1% says and does today is reminiscent of the French aristocracy before the revolution. And I confess, when I think of the Koch brothers a guillotine does come to mind.

But frankly, I'd be a lot happier seeing them stripped of their wealth, forced to go to a shitty job and work their ass off, day after day and year after year, not earning enough to pay all their bills. THAT would be justice! They've proven they lack the philosophical capacity to put themselves in the other guys shoes. Do it to them literally. Real karmic justice.

A guillotine is too good for them. Too quick.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
81. Really, I'd confiscate their wealth and make them work for minimum wage
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:16 PM
May 2014

with no benefits.

Wasn't there a judge once who sentenced a notorious slumlord to live in one of his own buildings?

dobleremolque

(489 posts)
85. I wonder if the magazine would freak out
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:01 PM
May 2014

if I asked for a poster-sized copy of the cover? Entrepreneurial opportunity there...

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
89. WOW-Intellectual cover, huh? Then they got to dumb it down.
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:20 PM
May 2014

Just in case someone misses the obvious. Paranoia. It really is different when you look at what has not apparently been affecting the wealthy. War? What war?? What deficit? The one they use to excuse and reshuffle yet more money to the wealthy through social cuts and tax breaks. Hard to believe someone actually wrote that self-serving crap.

Response to xchrom (Original post)

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
102. Actually the main reason is probably religion. Rapture weirdos believe that the Anti-Christ will
Fri May 23, 2014, 12:31 AM
May 2014

decapitate Christians.

An amazing number of otherwise inexplicable Conservative notions only make sense in their religious context.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
106. I feel the sentiment, the anger and understand it,
Fri May 23, 2014, 01:15 AM
May 2014

Unfortunately, they are wealthy enough to run. They will also turn their wealth into real property and commodities which they will take with them. The reality is, only the middle wealth will take the heat and the masses will simply fight among themselves until it gets so bad that someone calling him/herself a savior, a god, a political demigod, a Stalin, a Hitler will emerge and the wheel goes round and round and.....

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
109. Not only that, there's all those jobs the ultra-wealthy class created!!
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:42 AM
May 2014

In India, in China, in the Philippines, in Indonesia, in Singapore, in . . .

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
112. I think a trebuchet launching them down the length of Wall Street
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:57 AM
May 2014

would be more fun (bets accepted for distance records.) And it's not like they'd survive the landing, either...

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
115. they are fairly asking for guillotines.
Fri May 23, 2014, 05:55 AM
May 2014

the rich have been the cause of untold death and destruction through wars, environmental destruction, and inflicting of general misery through impoverishment of the people. they have refused every appeal to reason. this is a class of sociopaths. they are leaving few options for reasonable people.

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