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sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:15 PM May 2014

Wingnuts Erupt In Rage Over Coates “Reparations” Article Without Bothering To Read It

Last edited Thu May 22, 2014, 06:18 PM - Edit history (1)

This is an excellent article, well worth reading: Ta-Nehisi Coates: The Case For Reparations.


The Case for Reparations

Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.


Ta-Nehisi Coates
MAY 21, 2014

The implications are chilling. As a rule, poor black people do not work their way out of the ghetto—and those who do often face the horror of watching their children and grandchildren tumble back.

Even seeming evidence of progress withers under harsh light. In 2012, the Manhattan Institute cheerily noted that segregation had declined since the 1960s. And yet African Americans still remained—by far—the most segregated ethnic group in the country.

With segregation, with the isolation of the injured and the robbed, comes the concentration of disadvantage. An unsegregated America might see poverty, and all its effects, spread across the country with no particular bias toward skin color. Instead, the concentration of poverty has been paired with a concentration of melanin. The resulting conflagration has been devastating.

One thread of thinking in the African American community holds that these depressing numbers partially stem from cultural pathologies that can be altered through individual grit and exceptionally good behavior. (In 2011, Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, responding to violence among young black males, put the blame on the family: “Too many men making too many babies they don’t want to take care of, and then we end up dealing with your children.” Nutter turned to those presumably fatherless babies: “Pull your pants up and buy a belt, because no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”) The thread is as old as black politics itself. It is also wrong. The kind of trenchant racism to which black people have persistently been subjected can never be defeated by making its victims more respectable. The essence of American racism is disrespect. And in the wake of the grim numbers, we see the grim inheritance.

snip

The Supreme Court seems to share that sentiment. The past two decades have witnessed a rollback of the progressive legislation of the 1960s. Liberals have found themselves on the defensive. In 2008, when Barack Obama was a candidate for president, he was asked whether his daughters—Malia and Sasha—should benefit from affirmative action. He answered in the negative.

The exchange rested upon an erroneous comparison of the average American white family and the exceptional first family. In the contest of upward mobility, Barack and Michelle Obama have won. But they’ve won by being twice as good—and enduring twice as much. Malia and Sasha Obama enjoy privileges beyond the average white child’s dreams. But that comparison is incomplete. The more telling question is how they compare with Jenna and Barbara Bush—the products of many generations of privilege, not just one. Whatever the Obama children achieve, it will be evidence of their family’s singular perseverance, not of broad equality.


Read More:http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

However on #tcot (Top Conservatives On Twitter) they are enraged and seething, and of course, never even bothered to read the article.

Here is a sample of the derpularity. Enjoy.

YeaYouRite @YeaYouRite
@KurtSchlichter two paragraphs? So you read like 1% of the piece and made up your mind?

Kurt Schlichter @KurtSchlichter
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.@YeaYouRite Actually I made up my mind reading the title. Just like I would 4 equally immoral, racist BS like "The Case for Anti-Semitism."
2:14 AM - 22 May 2014

More:http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43417_Wingnuts_Erupt_In_Rage_Over_Coates_Reparations_Article_Without_Bothering_To_Read_It#rss-sm


The excerpt is but a small part of the article by Ta-Nehisi Coates. I just finished it, I feel it is a must read. It tells a story of the past and sadly brings us right up to today. It's not over, no matter how hard some may wish it to be.
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Wingnuts Erupt In Rage Over Coates “Reparations” Article Without Bothering To Read It (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2014 OP
you're assuming wingnuts are able to read and comprehend. hobbit709 May 2014 #1
Nailed it! JustAnotherGen May 2014 #26
Little Green Footballs Kalidurga May 2014 #2
Well.... sheshe2 May 2014 #3
Sorry for the derail Kalidurga May 2014 #4
That's okay, Kalidurga. sheshe2 May 2014 #6
Ta-Nehesi is always a good read. LeftyMom May 2014 #5
It's long, LM. sheshe2 May 2014 #7
Until reparations are made, we are not a whole country... randys1 May 2014 #8
Reparations will NEVER be paid, nor made ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #10
Not to mention the other side... M0rpheus May 2014 #11
It is well worth the read MOrpheus. sheshe2 May 2014 #12
Yes, Sir! ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #15
You are right, some, no many would feel that way, 1SBM. sheshe2 May 2014 #13
The maturity level of many white americans would make it impossible or a war randys1 May 2014 #25
Until reparations are made in full, race relations will always be edgy Supersedeas May 2014 #14
Who would you pay reparations to? Nye Bevan May 2014 #22
Who else would it go to? M0rpheus May 2014 #32
So you would pay reparations to descendants of slaves, Nye Bevan May 2014 #33
If the issue is reparations for slavery, M0rpheus May 2014 #34
The Atlantic article is really good - long but good gollygee May 2014 #9
Yes, sadly they will, gollygee sheshe2 May 2014 #16
How anyone could read that excerpt and claim blacks didn't work, or didn't earn... is amazing! freshwest May 2014 #18
The article broke my heart freshwest. sheshe2 May 2014 #19
It's a great piece Recursion May 2014 #17
Amazing piece, sheshe. I wish I could be shocked by how quiet this thread is Number23 May 2014 #20
Thanks Number23 sheshe2 May 2014 #23
I look forward to reading Coates gwheezie May 2014 #21
I read it on another thread. Certainly worthy of more than one post.. mountain grammy May 2014 #24
A kick and a rec JustAnotherGen May 2014 #27
Of course they did ismnotwasm May 2014 #28
Adam Serwer nailed it in one tweet. nt sheshe2 May 2014 #38
Ta-Nahesi Coates: On MSNBC tonight with Chris Hayes at 8:00pm Cyrano May 2014 #29
"Malia and Sasha Obama enjoy privileges beyond the average white child’s dreams." Romulox May 2014 #30
Did you happen to read the entire article? sheshe2 May 2014 #39
I don't owe reparations and won't pay them. Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #31
Someone alerted on your post. I voted to leave it. Inkfreak May 2014 #36
I knew someone would alert. I have a warehouse to store the shits I'm not giving. Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #37
Honestly, what the fuck? Did the alerter not read the post correctly? AverageJoe90 May 2014 #40
Good point made by juror #6. My ancestors were enslaved by the Holy Roman Empire. Nye Bevan May 2014 #41
I gather some of you haven't read the article. gwheezie May 2014 #35

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. Little Green Footballs
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:25 PM
May 2014

That was the big shock back in the day they were a Right Wing outfit. It looks like we woke up about the same time, except I was never really a conservative, more of a hawk. I was still in hawkish mode just until a few years ago it's slowly eroding away, it started when I did a speech on interment camps and through my research stumbled upon articles about the spending on the MIC. I am still working on getting over the effects of being a hawk, but that's a whole thread all by itself.

Here is an excellent explaination of LGF waking up it echos exactly why I dropped the RW crowd like a stone.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35243_Why_I_Parted_Ways_With_The_Right

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
3. Well....
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:31 PM
May 2014

It's Coates article that I was really trying to highlight here.

The RW reaction to it is typical they believe...no racism here, move along.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. Sorry for the derail
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:34 PM
May 2014

I was just a bit shocked over the source. Not like if Fox news flipped, RGF was never rabidly RW, but they did slant that way.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
6. That's okay, Kalidurga.
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:45 PM
May 2014

If the GOP is having a hissy over an article they never bothered to read, I knew it would be good.

Then again Coates is always a good read.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
5. Ta-Nehesi is always a good read.
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:38 PM
May 2014

I'll have to check the article out this evening (I'm on my phone and long articles crash my browser) but I'm looking forward to it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. Reparations will NEVER be paid, nor made ...
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:09 PM
May 2014

because too many "allies" would see it as taking something from them.

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
11. Not to mention the other side...
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:25 PM
May 2014

Who will decry paying their "taxpayer dollars" to people who didn't "earn" it.

As one of the last 2 of my family line (myself and my daughter), I don't see it happening in either of our lifetimes.

It's a long read, but well thought out and worth the time.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
12. It is well worth the read MOrpheus.
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:04 PM
May 2014

I hope that other people read it as well.

It shames me for what this country did and what it continues to do.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. Yes, Sir! ...
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:14 PM
May 2014

I taught a course on residential discrimination a few years back. If someone read this article, they would've passed the final with no problem. The only thing he didn't cover was the post civil war civil rights acts, that established the right to contract ... that were promptly ignored.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
13. You are right, some, no many would feel that way, 1SBM.
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:11 PM
May 2014

For that I am sorrier than you could ever know.

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
32. Who else would it go to?
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:49 AM
May 2014

As it's explained in the article, Black people have generally been denied the accumulation of wealth through discrimination of one sort or the other, since slavery ended. Many of the ills the black community faces are the direct result of the those past actions.

It's not as if this is a foreign concept in the US. Japanese families received reparations for being imprisoned in WWII internment camps back in 1999.

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
34. If the issue is reparations for slavery,
Fri May 23, 2014, 11:45 AM
May 2014

I'm fairly certain that you'd be hard pressed to find an american black family that's been in the country since then, that doesn't have at least 1 ancestor who was a slave.

Personally, I think the debt is owed all the way to the enactment of the Civil Rights Act, which would include descendents of freemen as well. The American public wouldn't stand for that though.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
9. The Atlantic article is really good - long but good
Thu May 22, 2014, 07:58 PM
May 2014

But yeah people get this knee-jerk thing when talk of reparations comes up.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
16. Yes, sadly they will, gollygee
Thu May 22, 2014, 10:36 PM
May 2014


Sharecropper boys in 1936 (Carly Mydans/Library of Congress)


The losses mounted. As sharecroppers, the Ross family saw their wages treated as the landlord’s slush fund. Landowners were supposed to split the profits from the cotton fields with sharecroppers. But bales would often disappear during the count, or the split might be altered on a whim. If cotton was selling for 50 cents a pound, the Ross family might get 15 cents, or only five. One year Ross’s mother promised to buy him a $7 suit for a summer program at their church. She ordered the suit by mail. But that year Ross’s family was paid only five cents a pound for cotton. The mailman arrived with the suit. The Rosses could not pay. The suit was sent back. Clyde Ross did not go to the church program.

It was in these early years that Ross began to understand himself as an American—he did not live under the blind decree of justice, but under the heel of a regime that elevated armed robbery to a governing principle. He thought about fighting. “Just be quiet,” his father told him. “Because they’ll come and kill us all.”

Clyde Ross grew. He was drafted into the Army. The draft officials offered him an exemption if he stayed home and worked. He preferred to take his chances with war. He was stationed in California. He found that he could go into stores without being bothered. He could walk the streets without being harassed. He could go into a restaurant and receive service.

Ross was shipped off to Guam. He fought in World War II to save the world from tyranny. But when he returned to Clarksdale, he found that tyranny had followed him home. This was 1947, eight years before Mississippi lynched Emmett Till and tossed his broken body into the Tallahatchie River. The Great Migration, a mass exodus of 6 million African Americans that spanned most of the 20th century, was now in its second wave. The black pilgrims did not journey north simply seeking better wages and work, or bright lights and big adventures. They were fleeing the acquisitive warlords of the South. They were seeking the protection of the law.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. How anyone could read that excerpt and claim blacks didn't work, or didn't earn... is amazing!
Thu May 22, 2014, 11:45 PM
May 2014

My family described the sharecropper contracts with me growing up and that it was arrogant, vile and that it meant like living under the gun.

This is exactly what the Bundys, Rand Paul, NRA and Koch brothers and pals and want in the USA.

Their followers and their generations that follow will live to rue the day if they suceed in doing it. It was dishonorable then, wrong now and will continue to be just as evil.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
19. The article broke my heart freshwest.
Fri May 23, 2014, 12:15 AM
May 2014
In return for the “deprivations of their rights and privileges under the Thirteenth and Fourteenth
But fight Clyde Ross did. In 1968 he joined the newly formed Contract Buyers League—a collection of black homeowners on Chicago’s South and West Sides, all of whom had been locked into the same system of predation. There was Howell Collins, whose contract called for him to pay $25,500 for a house that a speculator had bought for $14,500. There was Ruth Wells, who’d managed to pay out half her contract, expecting a mortgage, only to suddenly see an insurance bill materialize out of thin air—a requirement the seller had added without Wells’s knowledge. Contract sellers used every tool at their disposal to pilfer from their clients. They scared white residents into selling low. They lied about properties’ compliance with building codes, then left the buyer responsible when city inspectors arrived. They presented themselves as real-estate brokers, when in fact they were the owners. They guided their clients to lawyers who were in on the scheme.

The Contract Buyers League fought back. Members—who would eventually number more than 500—went out to the posh suburbs where the speculators lived and embarrassed them by knocking on their neighbors’ doors and informing them of the details of the contract-lending trade. They refused to pay their installments, instead holding monthly payments in an escrow account. Then they brought a suit against the contract sellers, accusing them of buying properties and reselling in such a manner “to reap from members of the Negro race large and unjust profits.”
Amendments,” the league demanded “prayers for relief”—payback of all moneys paid on contracts and all moneys paid for structural improvement of properties, at 6 percent interest minus a “fair, non-discriminatory” rental price for time of occupation. Moreover, the league asked the court to adjudge that the defendants had “acted willfully and maliciously and that malice is the gist of this action.”


Ross and the Contract Buyers League were no longer appealing to the government simply for equality. They were no longer fleeing in hopes of a better deal elsewhere. They were charging society with a crime against their community. They wanted the crime publicly ruled as such. They wanted the crime’s executors declared to be offensive to society. And they wanted restitution for the great injury brought upon them by said offenders. In 1968, Clyde Ross and the Contract Buyers League were no longer simply seeking the protection of the law. They were seeking reparations.


http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

Number23

(24,544 posts)
20. Amazing piece, sheshe. I wish I could be shocked by how quiet this thread is
Fri May 23, 2014, 02:21 AM
May 2014

but I'd be lying though my teeth.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
23. Thanks Number23
Fri May 23, 2014, 09:18 AM
May 2014

It took my breath away.

Sadly it won't be read by those that need to see it, yet they will happily expound on why you are wrong.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
21. I look forward to reading Coates
Fri May 23, 2014, 05:42 AM
May 2014

this article was exceptional, I've saved it and read it twice. I am going to pass it along.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
24. I read it on another thread. Certainly worthy of more than one post..
Fri May 23, 2014, 09:25 AM
May 2014

It's an excellent article. Worth reading, saving and reading again. It's our history.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4987912

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
27. A kick and a rec
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:03 AM
May 2014

It's not about slavery - that has nothing to do with me. It's about that time in between - when people like my father were born here, raised here, fought for this country, were wounded for this country, but were not even 'true' American citizens. If you can't get a fair shake in the most basic element of the so-called "American Dream" - if you can't get your day in a court of law - then you are forever locked out of citizenship.

Which reminds me - when is Jordan Davis' murderer going to stand trial again - for his murder you know? Oh that's right. This is America.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
28. Of course they did
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:11 AM
May 2014

And here is this little gem

How To Tell Who Hasn't Read The New 'Atlantic' Cover Story


In this month's issue, it's done it again. Ta-Nehisi Coates' cover story sketches out the trajectory of historical disadvantages accrued by black folks over the last several generations and argues that it's time for Americans to have a reckoning with this legacy.

This essay has been titled "The Case For Reparations," which means many folks might think they've read the essay before they've actually read the essay. (The magazine even released a trailer for it last week.)

You may not have read the piece, but it's possible you'll see people talking about it even though they haven't read it either. (To be fair, it's pretty long!) MSNBC's Adam Serwer anticipated this in a tweet last night.

AdamSerwer ✔ @AdamSerwer
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How to Read TNC's piece on reparations:

1. Read the title.
2. Stop reading. Do not read past the title.
3. Explain that racism is over.
6:33 PM - 21 May 2014
254 RETWEETS 238 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite

To that end, here are three handy tips to help you suss out folks who haven't actually read it themselves.

(Full disclosure: Coates is a friend, and I had the chance to read the piece several days before it was published.)


http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/05/22/314881767/how-to-tell-if-someones-actually-read-ta-nehisi-coates-essay

This whole thing is spot on

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
30. "Malia and Sasha Obama enjoy privileges beyond the average white child’s dreams."
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:21 AM
May 2014

But somehow, this doesn't matter...because Jena and Barbara Bush have even more?

So affirmative action's goal is to create a black inter-generational overclass to rule over the rest of us in the same way the Bushes have always done?

Coates positions is not defensible under any theory of AA I've ever heard.

Malia and Sasha Obama enjoy privileges beyond the average white child’s dreams. But that comparison is incomplete. The more telling question is how they compare with Jenna and Barbara Bush—the products of many generations of privilege, not just one.

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
39. Did you happen to read the entire article?
Fri May 23, 2014, 05:45 PM
May 2014

I only posted a small portion of what was in it. The whole article will tell you the rest.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
31. I don't owe reparations and won't pay them.
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:36 AM
May 2014

I wasn't a party to slavery. I'm not responsible for it, nor were any of my ancestors.



Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
36. Someone alerted on your post. I voted to leave it.
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:50 PM
May 2014

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

It's easy to dismiss this post as "just another opinion"...but in actuality this post is insensitive and selfish by dismissing reparations as a "not about ME" issue when it's really about the US government as a whole. Also, this is the SAME argument used by right wingers like Michael Savage. See: https://

The same argument used by those opposing reparations for ANY sins of the US govt (whether the Iraq War, WWII internment camps, etc.) "Oh I didn't participate in it nor did my ancestors!" Sheesh.

This "not about me" argument in this post sounds like something that belongs on Free Republic. The right wants a "ME society", the left a "WE society". Let's not turn DU into a big Ayn Rand fan club.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 23, 2014, 02:53 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jesus Christ, I can't believe someone alerted on this reply.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I call bullshit on this alert. Grow up.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let's not forget the most obvious of all--the American Indians. Unfortunately, this argument could go down through the ages .For instance, Greeks were enslaved by Romans.

Mankind can be loathsome and brutal beyond belief. Good people from all races and nationalities must work in the present for the common good. Constant struggle.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
37. I knew someone would alert. I have a warehouse to store the shits I'm not giving.
Fri May 23, 2014, 04:02 PM
May 2014

It is a simple fact that I don't owe anyone anything, nor do many, many, many millions.

Moreover, many, many millions are not owed anything.
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
40. Honestly, what the fuck? Did the alerter not read the post correctly?
Fri May 23, 2014, 06:03 PM
May 2014

Although, honestly, some good did come out of this. One particular part of Juror #6's comment was quite insightful, IMO:

Good people from all races and nationalities must work in the present for the common good.
And I say, amen to that!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
41. Good point made by juror #6. My ancestors were enslaved by the Holy Roman Empire.
Fri May 23, 2014, 06:04 PM
May 2014

Does that entitle me to a check from the Italian government?

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
35. I gather some of you haven't read the article.
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:29 PM
May 2014

This did not end with the civil war. Unless your family got here last week, we as a society that elects the government that makes the laws have discriminated against black folks to this day. I should only have to mention the attack on voting rights. I am not saying no other group has been discriminated against but this article talks about black folks. How are we not responsible for righting a wrong?
I was against the war in Iraq but I didn't kill any Iraqi's
I was against torture but I didn't torture anyone
I was against drone warfare but I didn't pilot any drones
I was against fracking but I didn't lease my land to energy co's
Clearly, since I didn't do any of these things, I have no stake in correcting an injustice done in my name as an American.

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