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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Sun May 25, 2014, 03:05 PM May 2014

"You must not hate those who do wrong or harmful things"

You must not hate those who do wrong or harmful things; but with compassion, you must do what you can to stop them — for they are harming themselves, as well as those who suffer from their actions.
― 14th Dalai Lama

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"You must not hate those who do wrong or harmful things" (Original Post) MannyGoldstein May 2014 OP
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2014 #1
This also Quaker teaching, and... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #2
I suspect it's a core teaching of any helpful religion MannyGoldstein May 2014 #4
I was thinking of the Amish Skittles May 2014 #19
To mentally do otherwise is to be ill RobertEarl May 2014 #3
How do we get people to ask for help when they need it? dickthegrouch May 2014 #5
"When we all do better, we ALL do better!" bvar22 May 2014 #7
Recommend. Zorra May 2014 #6
You shouldn't hate anyone. It just hurts... you. cali May 2014 #8
OK, Rove, I'm on my way w/ compassion to stop you nt tea and oranges May 2014 #9
Compassion is the wrong tool... zeemike May 2014 #10
I was being facetious tea and oranges May 2014 #12
Bush & Cheney harmed themselves? Martin Eden May 2014 #11
K/R Jack Rabbit May 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein May 2014 #17
Right enough: "you must do what you can to stop them" Hekate May 2014 #14
Hate and anger just make you like him. nt bemildred May 2014 #15
In theory I agree LeftishBrit May 2014 #16
Then focus on the "stop them" part MannyGoldstein May 2014 #18
Rage Adds Strength to your Arm Wolf Frankula May 2014 #20
Oh no Shankapotomus May 2014 #21

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. This also Quaker teaching, and...
Sun May 25, 2014, 03:27 PM
May 2014

primitive Christian teaching. Those go even further to say that the evil thing may be some rare instance and the person be worth far more than that deed would imply.

I seem to remember some rabbis talking this way, too.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. I suspect it's a core teaching of any helpful religion
Sun May 25, 2014, 03:54 PM
May 2014

The Dalai Lama has such a great way of cutting to the core of things.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. To mentally do otherwise is to be ill
Sun May 25, 2014, 03:29 PM
May 2014

To then react with that illness is anti-life. It is anti-societal and it begets nothing but more of the same.

dickthegrouch

(3,169 posts)
5. How do we get people to ask for help when they need it?
Sun May 25, 2014, 04:19 PM
May 2014

It is incredible difficult to admit that one needs help. Sometimes we can't even recognize when we need help, and we deny to others that we need it, even in the face of all other indications.

Sometimes getting help means acknowledging criminal behavior. Sometimes it can mean just as much stigma as criminal behavior even if asked for in advance. Think what you would do if faced with such rage that you were about to harm someone. Who would you go to? Who would they go to when they consider themselves overwhelmed? How long would it take to get 'authorities' involved? Remember the subject is asking for help before he goes off the deep end. How many authorities can help without a crime being committed? How many authorities have to call other authorities to warn of the possibility of harm?

It's a nightmare.

*WE* need to do better (all of us)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
7. "When we all do better, we ALL do better!"
Sun May 25, 2014, 04:37 PM
May 2014

[font color=firebrick][center]"When we all do better,
we ALL do better!"
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
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zeemike

(18,998 posts)
10. Compassion is the wrong tool...
Sun May 25, 2014, 05:24 PM
May 2014

We should meet abuse by forbearance. Human nature is so constituted that if we take absolutely no notice of anger or abuse, the person indulging in it will soon weary of it and stop.

Mahatma Gandhi

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
12. I was being facetious
Sun May 25, 2014, 05:41 PM
May 2014

and I don't think of compassion as a tool, unless it's that one outlined on the pegboard that's been missing these long years. Sigh...

The truth is, I dislike being told how to act, react or what emotions are acceptable, whether in a quote from someone I admire or not. Simply b/c I won't comply, hard as I try, I'll behave consistently w/ self, no matter how may Great Quotes I hear or read. I'll continue to despise Carl Rove, thank you.

Martin Eden

(12,844 posts)
11. Bush & Cheney harmed themselves?
Sun May 25, 2014, 05:27 PM
May 2014

Unless there is punishment in the afterlife, I don't see how they've paid any real price for their war crimes.

Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #13)

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
18. Then focus on the "stop them" part
Sun May 25, 2014, 06:25 PM
May 2014

That's what's most important, I think.

But we shouldn't hate or be cruel.

Wolf Frankula

(3,598 posts)
20. Rage Adds Strength to your Arm
Mon May 26, 2014, 12:27 AM
May 2014

but harms your Aim. Rage puts power in your Cut and your Thrust, but impairs your Ability to parry, counter and riposte. Rage clouds your Judgment, spoils your Ability to pick a Target, and ultimately weakens your Endurance. Fight calmly, control your Emotions. Do not hate nor fear, but face all Foes with a calm Mind and good Courage.

Do not suffer yourself to be abused, nor should you abuse others. If Someone shall abuse you, call him out, fight him bravely, and beat him calmly. If you see Someone being abused and they cannot help themselves, aid them, for in this World what we do for Others will come back to us.

As far as Hate is concerned, be wary of it. Hatred is often used as a Tool, to incite Men to do Things against their true Interests.

Wolf

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
21. Oh no
Mon May 26, 2014, 01:53 AM
May 2014

I'm not falling for that one again. I try and stop you and you call the police on me? Never again.

If you want to eat an entire box of ring dings in one sitting, go right ahead.

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