Why Elliot Rodger’s misogyny matters

[LeftyMom]

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that "Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men... Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation."

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

More at the link. I encourage you to read the whole thing, and his other posts about this. David Futrelle researches the MRA movement and knows what's up.

[Spider Jerusalem]

1. See also this:

As soon as women began to speak about the massacre, a curious thing happened. Men all over the world - not all men, but enough men - began to push back, to demand that we qualify our anger and mitigate our fear. Not all men are violent misogynists.

Well, there have always been good men. Actually, I firmly believe that today there are more tolerant, humane men who recognise and celebrate the equality of the sexes than there have ever been before. Today, what I hear from many men and boys who talk to me about gender justice - decent, humane men and boys of the kind the twenty-teens are also, blessedly, producing in great numbers - is fear and bewilderment. Who are these people? Where do they live? And the unspoken fear: do I know them? Might I have met some of them, drunk with them? If the wind had changed when I was growing, if I had read different books and had different friends, might it have been me? If any man is capable of this, is every man capable of it?

Well, those are the correct questions to ask. What I hear more often, however, is “not all men”. I hear that age-old horror of women’s anger drowning out everything else. Not all men are like this. Don’t look at us. Don’t shout at us. Please, don’t ask us to stand up and be counted.

One thing I’ve found, when talking to people involved in the savage end of the "Men’s Rights" community, the Pickup Artist scene, or both, is that to a chap they are keen that I understand the difference between their grouplet and the next - those guys over there hate women, those guys over there have a broken worldview, we’re the reasonable ones. And before the charges of book-burning and censorship begin: interpretation does change everything. There are certainly men out there who engage with the ideas of "Pickup Artistry" without absorbing the contemptuous misogyny at its core, much less pursuing it to its conclusion. One of my best relationships, in fact, was with a young man who swore by The Game as a handbook for shy boys who wanted to be able to talk to girls at parties, whilst mocking the sexism at its core.

So no, it’s not all men. But then it never was.

But if you think for one second, for one solitary second, that demanding tolerance for men as a group, that dismissing the reality of violence against women because not all men kill, not all men rape, if you think that’s more important than demanding justice for those who have been brutalised and murdered by those not all men, then you are part of the problem. You may not have pulled the trigger. You may not have raised your hand to a woman in your life. But you are part of the problem.

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2014/05/lets-call-isla-vista-killings-what-they-were-misogynist-extremism

Edited to add excerpt.

[seabeyond]

5. this. this is what my men, boys, that have listened to me for years... this... this is what they

are thinking about, with what happened. interesting. gonna get back in and read this article.

[LeftyMom]

19. This sounds really familiar.

One thing I’ve found, when talking to people involved in the savage end of the "Men’s Rights" community, the Pickup Artist scene, or both, is that to a chap they are keen that I understand the difference between their grouplet and the next - those guys over there hate women, those guys over there have a broken worldview, we’re the reasonable ones.

[REP]

20. A graphic for your excellent post

Your post is thoughtful and relevant; this graphic is only pertinent to the "not all men!" heard in response to women's fears and concerns:

[redqueen]

40. Excellent. Thank you for posting this. nt

[PeaceNikki]

2. Afuckingmen. He was VERY clear about his specific hatred of women.

His hatred of men was a by-product of that.

Excellent piece. Thanks for posting it.

[seabeyond]

3. i do not have it in me to read this tonight. and i need to read it. it is all so much more lefty.

i had two 20 yr olds in my house. an hour conversation with my teen son sitting there listening. mra/pua comments came up in their conversation.

all i have talked about with my boys over the years, that they were so sure i was exaggerating, or unusual, or not in the world. all that is crumbling today, as they get one example after another, .... of the manifestation of this backlash toward women the last decade and a half.

it is all very interesting.

thanks for this Op. i will have to read, digest and think.

teh changes in du. creating discussionist for all the men not able to survive on du, able to diss us at will on an affiliated site. and the men on here going over there to participate.

your hides of late

ohio joes hide today. and another gets a hide for merely mentioning the post number of ohio joes hide

but... MRA stands proudly.

it is all very interesting.

[Egnever]

4. Anyone who researches the MRA movement

Does not know whats up. He has a problem of his own. The MRA is a handful of idiots out of millions of men.

Apparently this kid was prescribed medication for paranoia and voices. Yes he had an issue with women and was mysogynistic but that was clearly not his sole motivation. Pretending it was is a distraction or worse politicizing a tragedy to advance ones agenda.

He was a social outcast and apparently someone with paranoia problems as well as hearing voices. He needed, help trying to connect him to some idiot mens group is bullshit.

[seabeyond]

6. you are wrong. you have been wrong for a while and many people have taken the time to explain why

you are wrong. respectfully. intellectually. and with common sense. you are wrong. and you do not get to minimize the effects mra/pua and the net has on womens lives.....

[Egnever]

8. I could say the same of you.

But it would be just as lame as what you just said. You are too I am not blah blah.

[seabeyond]

10. except we listen to a mans words of hate, toward women, and you are in thread after thread to

minimize the effects it has on precious mra/pua talking points. you have yet to find a womans issue to support.

even a voice of misogyny and the targeting of women fails to gain any support from you what so ever.

[Egnever]

12. And you are in thread after thread blaming all the ills of the world on men

Like I said you are not you are too blah blah.

This kid had real mental problems and his hatred for women was just one part of his whole dementia. Pretending it was the sole cause of his act is ridiculous.

I am all for women being equal in society and am happy to treat every woman i meet with the same respect I give any male I know. But yea count me as not on board with the man haters club that think all the worlds ill's are caused by men. .

[seabeyond]

14. "you are in thread after thread blaming all the ills of the world on men" wrong. tired, empty

accusation. i stop reading all post when an empty accusation is thrown out.

[Egnever]

27. LOL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024999715#post6

[seabeyond]

29. talking about violence toward women is man hating and discussing this specific situation is blaming

all the worlds ills on all men?

ya. reasonable. lol

you did so well making your position clear here. really. keep talking. i can let it go.

[intaglio]

69. No. That accusation about Seabeyond is a falsehood

What is more it is an accusation that you are probably well aware is a falsehood.

Other persons issuing similar statements about others usually follow them up by quoting one or fragmentary and out of context lines from thousands of posts. Will you follow the same pattern?

[LeftyMom]

7. Remember when VAWA was up for renewal?

Go read about that and then tell me again that these people aren't a problem in the real world.

[Egnever]

9. What in the world does one have to do with the other?

[LeftyMom]

13. Go read about what MRAs did to with regard to VAWA and then get back to me.

While you're at it go read what they're saying about this guy (hint: links in the article in the OP) and what they said about Scott Dekkrai (the Seal Beach salon shooter who targeted his ex and her coworkers and friends) and George Sodini (the PA gym shooter who wanted to kill hot women for failing to fuck him) and then we'll talk.

Until then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and I really don't want to waste my time educating you. There's a whole internet full of information, go read some.

[PeaceNikki]

17. another case, local to me, was the Azana Spa shooting in 2012,

Also an ex killing her and her coworkers.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

22. +++!! n/t

[Egnever]

23. Who gives a flying fuck what some loons on the internet are saying

Loons on the internet say all sorts of crazy stuff. When it starts to be taken seriously by anyone but the anti side then I might look into it.

I can find you a loon for any cause you want on the internet that doesnt mean they hold any kind of sway.

As far as I can tell from light reading of the bill it had problems. Mandatory HIV testing for one.

I see that as a problem as someone who had a girlfriend on the crazy side that called the cops on me when i walked out of the house to get away from her and then proceeded to tell the cops I beat her and kicked her in the stomach. That little episode landed me in jail for 4 days and when i got out she had stolen everything I had. Of course she never showed in court cause I never touched her and she knew she would look like a fool I assume, if she tried to testify and there was zero evidence of any physical abuse whatsoever (hint cause there was none) Having said that under this bill my life would have been made much more miserable than it was already.

Best thing that ever happened to me probably was going to jail that night mostly because it got me away from her even if i did lose everything I owned in the process. I loved her but she was batshit crazy when she drank. I should have walked long before.

Anyway I am way off point here so I will finish by saying. If you think this bill was single handedly killed by the nefarious MRA I dont think you are looking objectively at the bill. I would be happy to support a bill to protect women from Violence assuming it does so without creating an avenue for false charges that bring punitive results before any judgement on the validity of those charges is made.

Hell I would even support VAWA most likely at this point because I am long past having to worry about it's effects on me personaly but that would be pretty selfish.

[LeftyMom]

26. Thanks for making my point for me.

[Egnever]

28. Always here to help

[intaglio]

70. Loons on the internet?

Like Elliot Rodger? We shouldn't care about his exposed hatred?

What about all the MRAs making excuses for him? Should we ignore them as well?

[Starry Messenger]

75. They're declaring him their hero.

I would think after the impressive body count Stormfront has now, people would take online hate a little more seriously. I'm with you.

[awoke_in_2003]

61. What does VAWA have to do

with violence against women? Are you really that thick?

[seabeyond]

11. first ask his opinion on vawa, without assuming support. lol. nt

[Katashi_itto]

16. MRA's are their own personal Bengazi...it's behind everything.

[TDale313]

21. What we need...

Is for the "not all men" men to stand up against these groups and attitudes. To call this shit out. To speak up and say "Dude, that's some fucked up shit!" Cause it is. And it's dangerous. And it's spreading. Especially among impressionable young men. And guess what? They ain't gonna listen to us women.

To those (many) guys who do get it? Who do call this stuff out, who don't claim feminism is what is making the world suck, thank you, thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart. You renew my faith.

For those who spend endless hours denying there is a problem, dismissing the effects, treating every single attempt to address very real issues with cries of misandry and "But women do it too! See, no problem"... You *are* part of the problem. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Very, very few people who subscribe to these attitudes will ever even consider killing someone, but if this incident doesn't show that these are hurtful and potentially dangerous attitudes, nothing will. And IMO, they are.

[spooky3]

79. Well said. +1

[magical thyme]

81. source for the claim?

I've read in a few places now people claiming he was hearing voices and not taking prescribed medication. No links with the claims, though.

I did find one article making the claim, from a sketchy source.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. I bet these guys rail about how women refuse to take responsibility too.

[seabeyond]

18. or how women use it as their own benghazi or it proves how they really hate all men,

by just discussing it.

yes. we see lots of ways of derailing any discussion about mra... or why rodgers misogyny matters.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

68. I guess it's an insecurity thing.

[Hekate]

24. KnR

[LeftyMom]

25. In talking to other women it's becoming clear that we have all known a guy like this.

The scary, creepy, weird, entitled guy who said something nice once and wondered why that didn't get him laid. The one who switched from clumsy flirting to spittle-flecked rage at the slightest sign of disinterest. The one who told everybody who would listen that we were (long string of redacted awfulness) for not knowing what a nice guy he was. The one who thought he was the smartest, most interesting guy ever. We all know him, we've all wondered how to get his attention away from us without setting him off, wondered if he'd take no for an answer without our faces winding up on milk cartons.

We're mostly surprised that this guy appeared to shower regularly, usually they don't.

[Starry Messenger]

39. Mine whacked me on the back so hard, my face hit his gearshift in the car.

He tried to buy me expensive shit, and I refused it. I told him not to call me anymore, and he started driving by my house at night, really slowly. I was actually lucky, he stopped doing it eventually. A lot of women don't get off so lightly.

He was charming at first. A nice guy.

[LeftyMom]

41. Mine was a friend of my ex boyfriend. When the ex-b and I broke up I guess he thought he was due?

He made really clumsy efforts to talk about things that I liked, he brought me a few small presents relating to my cooking hobby. It became clear that he was keeping tabs on my web presence for things to discuss with me. When I wasn't interested he started telling my ex-boyfriend what a whore I am, and he was so fucking creepy about it that my ex told him to stay the fuck away from me.

That was years ago and the chances that he's reading this post aren't half bad. I wouldn't have mentioned it if he hadn't moved away.

I'd never shown any romantic interest in him (he wasn't my type in any way) but I was nice to him, I don't know if he misinterpreted that or my utter lack of interest wasn't a signal he was willing to receive.

But he was creepy and entitled and had an overly inflated view of himself. He wanted me, and my lack of interest in him was not an acceptable response.

[KitSileya]

51. Felicia Day did a tumblr post on the #yesallwomen hashtag

Where she described how she'll be in an interesting conversation with a guy, talking about things they like, but then she mentions her boyfriend, and they act like she's been lying to them. Some even walk away mid-conversation, even mid-sentence. That is the culture of which MRAs and PUAs are the extreme examples - guys not seeing women as persons, not seeing them as someone to get to know just because they are interesting people with whom they share interests, but rather using shared interests solely as a bid to get laid. It happens a lot oftener than you think. The moment a woman signalizes to a guy that she's "taken", a shockingly high percentage of guys aren't interested in interacting with her anymore. That must be cultural. I refuse to believe that so many guys think only of sex, and of women as sex objects. I believe better of men. I expect more of men.

[white_wolf]

62. Ugh Felicia Day gets a lot of crap in general just for being a women.

Nerd culture as a whole, and I say this a nerd, has a HUGE problem with sexism and it really needs to be addressed. For starters, there's the always annoying "gamer girls" are faker attitude. My best friend has faced similar problems to Felicia. Whenever she goes into a store to look at Magic the Gathering cards she gets hit on by at least two guys, even when her boyfriend is right there.

I'll never forget this time I was on an RPG forum and this girl mentioned trying to get her boyfriend into tabletop RPGs and some guy posted something like "you should just leave your boyfriend and date me. Seriously, I'd love to have a girlfriend like you. Luckily the moderators stepped in and banned him from the thread, but the woman mentioned that guys will do that to her at conventions and it's really creepy.

However, the worst example I can think of happened just recently when a female writer on the website ComicBookResources posted a review of the an upcoming Teen Titans cover and ended up with threats of rape, threatening phone calls and having her bank account hacked. It actually prompted the site to reset their forums with much stricter rules which is a step in the right direction, but still it's beyond disgusting that things went as far as they did. Here's the article about that particular incident:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=52513

[LeftyMom]

63. I quit going to the local game store because of creepy behavior.

The guy I talked about wasn't the only one. Between socially awkward guys perving at me and angry guys treating me like a know-nothing interloper it was just more trouble than it was worth to stay actively involved in some of my hobbies. Which is a damn shame, but what can you do?

[white_wolf]

65. That infuriates me.

I'm sorry to hear that. That's my biggest problem with this sub-culture. It's incredibly sexist(and slightly homophobic, but I can say without a doubt it's easier for me to be a gay man in this culture than it would to be a straight woman) and honestly it makes us all look like a bunch of immature teenagers at best. As I mentioned above, and you did as well in your post, a lot of guys in the culture seem to think that whenever a women shares their interests that must mean she is automatically into them and I'm sure it's driven a lot of women to leave the culture.

It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that I've heard guys say stuff like "I need a nerdy girl" or whatever and then the moment a women shows any kind of interest in comics, RPGs, board games, etc half the guys in the store start hitting on them or pulling some know-it-all bullshit. I'm just thinking "no wonder you guys can't find a women because you treat them all like objects." It's frankly disgusting.

Regardless, I've always enjoyed your posts and hopefully you'll find a gaming group that isn't full of immature assholes.

[LeftyMom]

66. Yeah, it sucks.

But other things were going on in my life and the companies that make the games I liked all seemed bound and determined to fuck them up royally (or just to fold entirely) so swimming upstream to maintain hobbies where there was a diminishing return just wasn't worth it.

My kid's angling for his first wargaming army though, and that's a gaming subculture that usually makes tabletop RPGers and CCG players look thoughtful and cultured. We'll see how that goes.

[Codeine]

72. My fiancé is a comic fan and does cosplay

and the shit she gets from guys at cons and online is beyond the pale. Strangers making lewd comments, constant come-ons from anonymous tumblr posters, and the "cosplay girls are fake nerds" undercurrent that never seems to go away. It's gotten to the point she has me or another friend escort her when she's in costume at cons now.

Nerd culture needs a real kick in the ass with regard to gender issues. RPG.net is rare insofar as they've tried to police that nastiness out of existence, but the tone can be toxic elsewhere in the community.

[bravenak]

52. One followed me everywhere.

I dumped him and went out of state for a few months and when i came back he showed up again. Always lurking, calling, showing up at my job. Eventually i left state for other reasons, but he popped up on myspace bothering me again. I stopped using myspace and rarely go on facebook. When he died of cancer a few months ago i felt bad that i was happy about it. A weight i didn't' even know i carried fell from my shoulders. I always worried he would kill me one day like he said he was going to do. Now he can't.

[noiretextatique]

80. when i was in college, i awoke to a guy standing over my bed

i knew him, and i knew he was crazy. he had climbed through a window while i was sleeping. i knew i could not panic or show any fear, so i calmly said hello to him,and asked him to wait in the kitchen while i got dressed. he did as i asked, and i went out and talked to hum until he left an hour or so later. totally creepy

[thucythucy]

30. K and R.

It's discouraging, how such an obvious point needs to be made, again and again, because so many people would like to pretend it isn't so.

Thanks for this OP. Definitely needs to be said.

[davidn3600]

31. All men are evil...yeah, yeah...we know...

At least the MSM isn't dumb enough to blame this on half the population like some have been trying to do here.

This kid is one lunatic with mental problems. There is no conspiracy behind him. There is no movement behind him. MRAs are not even a cohesive group... I dont see them have any rallies. I don't see them have any membership or actual real organization or trying to lobby Congress. They are a bunch of keyboard misogynists on reddit. A lot of them are probably trolls getting their rocks off because they know they are making someone mad. Yet people here are talking as if MRAs are worse than Al-Queda and planning more attacks on sorority houses. I mean give me a break!

There are sorts of fucking idiots on the internet. No matter how hateful or perverted or dumb a person's beliefs are, the internet will have a group for that person somewhere. You want me to dig up what the TERF and radical feminists are saying? Have you seen their facebook pages and websites where they wish death to every man on the planet? Oh...but you say those are wackos...those are not real feminists.... "real feminists don't believe that," you say. The point is, it proves every group of people has their share of crazies in their ranks.

Elliot Rodger was a very disturbed person with some very intense anger and hatred build up over a long period of time. He doesn't represent anyone else but himself.

[PeaceNikki]

33. You think someone is blaming ALL men? That's just silly.

[LeftyMom]

34. Go read the articles upthread, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[TDale313]

36. No One Said That!

[XemaSab]

37. Please go find something

where an actual woman is advocating slaughtering men in the streets like wild animals.

I'd like to see it.

[nomorenomore08]

47. But you know, there was that one lady like 50 years ago, who was mentally ill, and probably

half-joking anyway, so... MISANDRY!!!

[TDale313]

48. Bingo.

[nomorenomore08]

53. I'm not really one to quote the Bible, but I do recall one verse about swallowing camels and

straining at gnats. A lot of these arguments about "misandry," "reverse racism," etc. remind me of that.

[nomorenomore08]

46. Problem is, the "Men's Rights" movement is largely built on fear and resentment of an entire gender.

So any equivalency with the feminist movement is extremely tenuous at best.

[Gormy Cuss]

50. No one is blaming all men .

Get off the cross. We need the wood.

[nomorenomore08]

55. But self-martyrdom is so much *fun*!

[CreekDog]

78. well she didn't say that

but please on a weekend where several women died, please play up your own victimhood.

you don't even read what you're responding to and you expect us to read what you write?

oh yeah, and speaking of that, you even posted that women should pay more for health insurance than men if it includes maternity coverage.

i don't have any time for BS.

[TDale313]

32. Wow, this post hit a nerve.

Thanks for posting it.

[LeftyMom]

35. I have a bit of a fan club.

They're adorable.

[redqueen]

42. Someone here once put it so well...

Something about these threads being compared to throwing rocks, and how it was revealing to see which people yelped as if they were hit.

[nomorenomore08]

56. Because everything in the world revolves around them, don'cha know.

That's why even describing a bad experience with one particular man will bring out the "Not all men!" wailing and gnashing.

[myrna minx]

38. K&R /nt

[Bad Thoughts]

43. Does the writer remember Trayvon Martin?

I believe firmly that social beliefs work against women, often leading to acceptance of violence against them. However, the same holds for many groups, including blacks and homosexuals. Maybe the writer is only thinking of "the left." Nonetheless, his phrasing is potentially inflammatory.

[nomorenomore08]

49. These are all massive, deep-seated cultural issues (racism, homophobia, misogyny).

I know what you're saying, but trying to discuss all of them at once quickly becomes overwhelming.

[blkmusclmachine]

44. ,

,

[ismnotwasm]

45. K&R

[MrModerate]

54. Frankly, I think the fact that he was insane is more meaningful . . .

Than his undoubted misogyny. The 'blames' the author of the article lists: "guns, video games, mental illness" are not parallel. Mental illness trumps all other reasons.

That's unless you think misogyny is in some way a legitimate or sane reason for mowing down strangers in the street. I'd think not.

Rodger appears to have been a homicidal maniac who was obsessed with his hate for women. He also hated men who were able to have normal relationships with women. That's a bit more than a garden-variety misogynyst

[LeftyMom]

57. That hatred of other men is actually fairly normal in those circles.

They hate men who don't hate women. They hate men that they think have some advantage over them.

It's kind of like white supremacists: the hate POCs but they also hate white people who aren't white supremacists.

[nomorenomore08]

59. "White knight"/"mangina" = "ni**er lover." It's the same damn thing. n/t

[LeftyMom]

60. Yep.

I was trying not to use the language, but I probably should have to make the point.

[nomorenomore08]

58. Thing is, his "rants" weren't too far removed from a lot of comments you see online.

The seething rage toward "spoiled, entitled princesses" - as if any woman who isn't either a street hooker or a domestic slave is somehow "spoiled" - is only the tip of the iceberg. Google "Return of Kings" sometime if you're feeling brave.

[AverageJoe90]

64. Dave has put out some really good stuff in the past.

So I'd recommend this site as one of the top 10 in terms of research on how these guys actually work.

[southerncrone]

67. I read this kid was in therapy since he was 8 yrs old.

And he saw a therapist, often twice a day, in high school. That is excessive. Anyone in that much need of therapy should not be interacting w/society; they should be hospitalized. There must be a horrible back story to this. SOMETHING caused the need for therapy so young & so much of it. Would like to know more about the family dynamic, but we will never know. Money has a way of keeping secrets well hidden.

That said, however, this hatred did not occur overnight because some "blonde" wasn't interested in him. It is a cumulative thing over his lifetime, bolstered by our society's acceptance of misogyny as "the norm".

[TBF]

71. Here is the Valenti article that is referenced

within your article - http://www.democraticunderground.com/10244812

I'm glad to see a few writers are tackling this long overdue subject.

[Laelth]

73. It matters a great deal.

I think we need to try to understand it and not just condemn and dismiss it.

I launched a thread on that topic here.

-Laelth

[SidDithers]

74. Marc Lepine targeted women at L'École Polytechnique 25 years ago...

Rodger did the same at UCSB.

This is no less a hate crime than the other examples mentioned in the article.

Thanks for posting.

Sid

[Starry Messenger]

77. +1

[Squinch]

76. Tons of proof in this very thread that the OP is absolutely accurate.

Thanks LeftyMom. Hang in there.

[Gormy Cuss]

82. And that's a sad truth.

Even in this supposedly center-left environment there are too many who can't--or won't- see misogyny.