White Guy Killer Syndrome

[xchrom]

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/white-guy-killer-syndrome




Welp. Another young white guy has decided that his disillusionment with his life should become somebody else’s problem. On Saturday, 22-year-old Elliot Rodger (who, as many commenters have pointed out, had a white father and mother of Asian descent) went on a killing spree on the campus of University of California, Santa Barbara, murdering his three roommates, shooting women outside a sorority house, and hitting people with his car as he attempted to get away from police.

How many times must troubled young white men engage in these terroristic acts that make public space unsafe for everyone before we admit that white male privilege kills? While Mark Cuban is busy crossing the street at any sign of a black male in a hoodie, or clutching his wallet a bit tighter at the sign of a tatted-up white guy, he may find a bullet whizzing by his head from a young, clean-cut white man, child of a Hollywood film director, upset that he does not have a certain level of clout and status with the ladies.

The idea that it is young black men or working-class white men (which is partially what I think Cuban’s invocation of tattoos attempts to encode) who make public space dangerous is belied by the fact that the problems of urban violence, which disproportionately involve young men of color, largely happen on residential terrain. Black men are not rolling onto college campuses and into movie theaters on a regular basis to shoot large numbers of people. Usually, the young men who do that are white, male, heterosexual and middle-class.

And make no mistake: From my standpoint as an armchair therapist — having read transcripts of Rodger’s videos — his anger is about his failure to be able to access all the markers of white male heterosexual middle-class privilege. He goes on and on about his status as a virgin, his inability to find a date since middle school, his anger and resentment about being rejected by blond, sorority women. In fact, he claims he will “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see.” As Jessica Valenti so thoroughly demonstrates: “misogyny kills.” I am struck by the extent to which Rodger believed he was entitled to have what he deemed the prettiest girls, he was entitled to women’s bodies, and when society denied him these “entitlements” he thought it should become the public’s problem. He thought that his happiness was worth the slaughter of multiple people.

[SaltyBro]

1. White Men are responsible for the huge majority of violence

in the history of mankind. This white man decided that because the opposite sex was not interested in him, he should go kill a bunch of people.

[TheFrenchRazor]

12. to be fair, it's all men. yes, white men do more mass killings, but men in general definitely

do more than their fair share of violence. this must never be mentioned, though. i am not male bashing either, i would genuinely like to see men start being honest about this and trying to change it.

[Laelth]

40. I've never seen a man deny that.

Do you have some evidence showing that some men think women are inherently more violent than men?



-Laelth

[Warpy]

56. That sort of whinorrhea is evident on any MRA site

where little boys of all ages go to convince each other that they're the top of the food chain and that women who won't cooperate should be raped and murdered.

They all claim women are much more violent than men are in between rape and murder fantasies.

[Laelth]

62. I have never visited one of those sites.

I have seen complaints about domestic violence against men not being taken seriously (and I believe that happens). I have also seen complaints that domestic violence against men is far more widespread than reported (and I believe that too), but I have never seen the claim that women are, on average, more violent than men. That claim flies in the face of my current understanding, and I'd need to see some science before I would even consider it. In fact, that position is so far out of mainstream thought that I find it hard to believe the claim is being regularly made (but, of course, on the internet, if you look hard enough, you can find just about anything).

However ...

I consulted with a local, high school, special education teacher, and this is what she said:

"That wouldn't surprise me. The girls I teach are pretty violent--most of them. The ones who have boyfriends beat on them pretty often, at school, anyway, and their poor, fool boyfriends can't hit them back. The girls know they can get away with it."

So, there's that.

-Laelth

[muriel_volestrangler]

53. It's more a question of the wars being where the large populations are

See a list of wars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

There's a lot in Asia, because that's where most of humanity has been in recorded history. And wars are not about "the opposite sex was not interested in him"; they're about power.

[randys1]

77. White men are indeed disproportionately responsible for death and destruction, by far

[sulphurdunn]

112. Back that statement up

with evidence or retract it.

[randys1]

116. Let me rephrase, white people disproportionately kill Brown people far greater than

non white killing white people

[playthegame]

252. They can't handle the truth!

SMH.

[cemaphonic]

83. You might want to brush up on your history before you go making sweeping claims like that.

Genghis Khan and compary, Timur, Sengoku and Imperial Japan, various post WWII African wars, several incredibly bloody internal upheavals in China, etc.

Whites hardly have a monopoly on violence.

[sulphurdunn]

111. Why don't you either

back that statement up with some evidence or retract it. OK, SaltyBro?

[devils chaplain]

144. Absurd. You have a Euro-centric view of history, apparently. n/t

[dilby]

3. Kid was half Asian and did not look white.

First time I saw him I thought he might have been Latino.

[valerief]

32. When I was a kid, there were 3 races (political designations): Caucasian, Negroid, and Mongloid.

Yep, that's what they called them. As politics changed, the race designations changed. I can't keep up with them all.

To me, if you look mostly white, you're white. If you look mostly black, you're black. If you look mostly Far Eastern or Middle Eastern, you're Asian.

The murderer looks mostly white to me.

[Nye Bevan]

37. So biracial people do not exist, as far as you are concerned?

What do you consider Tiger Woods to be?

[valerief]

41. Black. I know biracial people exist, but as long as these stupid political race designations

have to exist, I'm keeping them simple, because race doesn't matter. All these stupid variations on homo sapiens is just another way to keep the Other alive.

I'm waiting for the day when there's a Blonde Blue-eyed race and a Brunette Hazel-eyed race. It wouldn't surprise me.

[Nye Bevan]

46. Tiger Woods does not consider himself "black".

But I am sure he would be interested to know which of your little racial classifications you have decided to slot him into.

[brush]

109. I think even Woods has matured enough . . .

to know that he is considered black by most people.

He ginned up a word "cablinasian" to describe himself when he was maybe 19 or 20 (caucasian, black, Indian - as in Native American, and Asian. Woods' family heritage includes all of those races and ethnicities).

Most African Americans in this country, btw, are a mixture as well of all of those ethnicities, except maybe Asian.

[Nye Bevan]

117. So now considering oneself biracial is a sign of immaturity?

To be a real grownup you have to pick one race and go with it?

This is one of the most headshakingest DU threads ever.

[brush]

195. I didn't say that.

Biracial means of two, right, of two races?

Calling oneself a made-up word like "Cablinasian" is not calling oneself biracial, but kind of a . . . well, a word that a teenager might come up with.

[LeftyMom]

108. You don't get to define people for them.

If I decide that there are only a few names in the world that I'm willing to recognize and that yours is now Victor, because it's close enough to yours and I don't like fine shades of difference, are you going to answer to Victor and define yourself that way? Is it okay for me to erase your identity and re-tell your story?

Let me give you a hint: No. It's not. So I won't call you Victor and you don't get to assign people racial designations that sound like they came from a particularly backward 1930s anthropology text. Deal?

[LeftyMom]

105. Good God Almighty, how old are you? :O Anyway, kid was Hapa, like a lot of kids in CA.

Hapa: mixed white and Asian. Definitely not an ethnic background that would stand out or even merit notice in all but the most backward parts of California. I don't know where he picked up his self-hatred regarding his background, but it's not something he would have picked up from the dominant culture in CA.

[Nye Bevan]

4. Referring to this biracial guy as "white" is like referring to President Obama as "white".

But I guess to someone who is thirsting to write an article about angry white male privilege, that is an unimportant detail. (Not referring to xchrom here but to the author of the linked article).

[randys1]

78. Nah, most violence and death, historically, is from white males

[sulphurdunn]

113. Oh yea,

show me your evidence to support that statement or retract it.

[randys1]

114. Surely you are kidding, you need evidence that white people export death onto Brown people?

[sulphurdunn]

118. I need evidence that

supports your original argument that "throughout history" most violence has been perpetrated by white men.

[randys1]

120. I changed that to white people export death onto non white more than non white

export onto white...

[sulphurdunn]

123. Yea, for the last half

a millennia that's been true. Before that, not so much.

[randys1]

132. So many defensive white folks and gun folks at DU

kind of interesting, explains to me why I see polls about how many are unhappy with Obama for instance

[AgingAmerican]

139. So the fact some DUers are white

explains why they don't like all of Obama's policies? You actually believe this?

[randys1]

140. I am white and find Obama to be FAR too right leaning for me on non social issues

But if you are a right leaning person and you oppose Obama, then you are a hypocrite, that is how far to the right I think he is on certain things.

now what were you asking me again?

oh, but I worked on his campaign and I would again



ps I knew who i was voting for and working for

[randys1]

146. As a white person I would NEVER presume to have a single CLUE about what they have

to put up with, any white person who does pretend to is out of their minds

When white folks point their racist fingers at those who are oppressed by them and say "look how they behave"

well, leave me out of that crap

[sulphurdunn]

151. Then deal with what you know

about your own race and not what you assume must be true about it because it suits your sweeping generalizations about history.

[randys1]

240. My own race? Man, what I know is the white people in American alone are tops at killing Brown

people at home and abroad...have been for 200 yrs

[awoke_in_2003]

119. Even a cursory scan...

of European and American history would show this.

[sulphurdunn]

133. How does any study of

European and American history make white men the perpetrators of most of the violence throughout all of history?

[awoke_in_2003]

142. Stalin and Hitler...

are responsible for at least 50 million alone. European kings engaged in wars for most of Europe's existence.

[sulphurdunn]

145. Human history goes back

10,000 years. White men have been the most efficient killers of their brothers in the last 500 because of superior technology, not because of some racial defect.

[awoke_in_2003]

148. No one mentioned...

that is was a racial defect, merely that white Europeans and their descendants have caused a massive amount of chaos.

[sulphurdunn]

152. Of course they have.

They've also created a great deal of good. Both have been possible because they have the technology to do so. People are people. Some are more powerful than others at various periods of history, for reasons having nothing to do with race and probably little do with culture.

[devils chaplain]

149. And the Chinese man Mao alone killed as many as they did combined.

Put down your Euro-centric glasses. Violence is a male thing, not a white thing.

[sulphurdunn]

154. I think you hit it squarely.

We evolved to hunt and fight to care for our kin. The wooly mammoths are gone, the extended families are atomized and we're still psychologically living in the stone age with 21st century technology.

[FrodosPet]

199. So my ex-roommate was a MALE?

That surgeon must have been really good!

Not saying that women are more violent than men, But you are (unintentionally, I hope) making an assertion of male exclusivity in violence.

[devils chaplain]

225. Of course it's not totally male,

But the more violent the crime the more male-dominated it tends to be.

[NutmegYankee]

127. Historically? Now that's a euro-centric statement that is full of it.

Europe was a fucking hippie commune compared to some other parts of the world. Asian History is far more violent, and they were in turn, far more creative. The Chinese alone were once centuries ahead in technology.

[AgingAmerican]

134. Idiotic racist statement

nt

[WatermelonRat]

189. According to a list of wars by death toll...

7 out of the 10 deadliest wars in history were fought in Asia by Asians.

[sulphurdunn]

115. I guess the one drop rule

doesn't apply in this case.

[lumberjack_jeff]

150. If Obama goes rogue, that was mom's side.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

185. And if a non-white goes rogue a white people drove them to it.

[Baitball Blogger]

168. What was the demographics of the community where they were each raised?

This has a lot to do with development of identity and personal expectations.

[Sassysdad]

5. HE was..

Bi-racial. While the article does include..(who, as many commenters have pointed out, had a white father and mother of Asian descent)....it continues to push the "white guy" narrative.
Idiocy.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Rodger was half-Asian

Cho was the Korean-American who shot up Virginia Tech

Nidal Hassan was the Arab that shot-up Ft. Hood the first time

Ivan Lopez shot-up Ft. Hood the second time

Chris Dorner was the African-American police officer that went on a rampage in LA.

Aaron Alexis was an African-American who shot-up the Navy Yard.


Perhaps appeals to racism aren't the way to examine this.

[Skittles]

13. but....they are all males

THAT seems to be the common demonimator

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. But that's not the title or premise of the article.

[Skittles]

19. right....but it should be

I wish men could try to understand what it would feel like if women periodically went on mass killing sprees to the point where everyone is no longer surprised

[Egnever]

26. Why would anyone be surprised?

it has been that way since we first stood on two legs. Not a damn thing surprising about it.

[Skittles]

28. I remember a time in America when killing sprees were not a weekly event

yes indeed

[Egnever]

34. Guns are getting increasingly easier to come by

Still not sure where the surprise part comes from.

[Sassysdad]

63. Legally...?

careful, as my relative is a class 3 FFL holder in NYS and is aware of the statutes nationwide.

[FrodosPet]

212. Back then it was serial killers!

Son of Sam, the Oakland County child killer, Wayne Williams, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_in_the_United_States

[Squinch]

27. I wish that too.

[Common Sense Party]

30. Let's lock up all men!

Problem solved.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

33. Yes, but then we would only let them out for breeding purposes and

they would be too happy with that arrangement.

[Common Sense Party]

36. Conjugal visits or insemination.

No need to let the brutes out.

This is sounding better and better. At least lock up all males between the ages of 15 and 25 or so. That's where most of these mass murderers are coming from, isn't it?

[sulphurdunn]

155. Lock me up in an all you can eat

cafeteria with all you can drink beer. I'll solve your problem in no time. I only ask to buried with my favorite fork and stein.

[bvar22]

65. That is a little too simplistic.

I think the common denominator is young American males who
have been raised by their TVs and programed with unrealistic expectations of what the World owes them.

There are plenty of other countries where these kinds of things don't happen.

[goldent]

136. I think it is the Internet rather than TV

The amount of hate speech and other anti-social content on the Internet is incredible.

[Jenoch]

31. There was a school shooting

on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota. The shooter was the grandson of a Tribal Police Officer.

[Oakenshield]

67. No appeals to racism? Party pooper.

[randys1]

79. VAST majority of death and destruction now and historically, white guys

[Nuclear Unicorn]

87. White people invented death. They even invented Black Death and named it that so

you wouldn't know it was them. Totally true story, I read it on the internet.

[randys1]

89. Good point, that is when you dont have a point say something silly

[Nuclear Unicorn]

95. Come back when you have something factual.

Your post was nothing but racist bilge. Blaming whites for the acts of someone who had a psycho-physiological malady.

Grow-up.

[randys1]

96. Racist? LOL oh my god, priceless

Man, with white supremacists in the Dem party how is this country EVER going to do the right thing...

Actually, to be more accurate, not just white people excel at death but rightwing white people

[Nuclear Unicorn]

100. Do you really think other races are incapable of mass-slaughter?

Mao's cultural revolution claimed 50 million. Pol Pot went in for another 2 million. The Kim family has yet to stop killing their people. Africa is rife with wars at all levels. Hispanics hardly have a proud history in the New World. Wars has been a constant in the Middle East.

The only race responsible for this is the HUMAN race.

[randys1]

106. Yeah, that is what I said that ONLY white people kill and NOBODY else, I said that, right?

let me repoeat something you said



has yet to stop killing their people


white people are famous for killing non white people

this is an important distinction that I pray to god you understand

[Nuclear Unicorn]

107. "white people are famous for killing non white people"

That has absolutely nothing to do with Elliot Rodger either in terms of his race or what motivated him. You just have a racist axe to grind.

[sulphurdunn]

163. Did you ever hear

of Rwanda?

[X_Digger]

183. Or the Hun.. Khan.. Mao..

Boy that poster sure has some eurocentric-glasses on, eh?

[sulphurdunn]

147. White men are really space aliens

come from another galaxy to exterminate the real humans. I read it somewhere.

[Kurska]

90. It his hilarious how someone can claim to be anti-racist.

Yet be so woefully eurocentric in their views.

White people have always been a small minority of the world's population. There is no way in hell they are responsible for the most death and destruction in history. The most horrible mass murders of the past were not white (Timur the lame and Ghenghis Khan were leagues above anyone else). Even in the 20th century Mao Zedong outdid both Hitler and Stalin in terms of death.

For most of history people were fighting harsh and brutal conflicts and most of those people were non-white.

Only someone with a very basic and Eurocentric view of human history would claim that for the majority of history white people even had a dominant (if negative) influence on it. For most of what history what white people were doing was inconsequential to their lives.

[randys1]

92. OMG, the endless defense of white supremacy is hysterical, even here at DU< wow

[Kurska]

94. Historical fact isn't white supremacy

Your premise is laughable.

Throughout history, the Chinese civil wars killed more people than all European wars combined.

Yes, combined.

[randys1]

98. civil wars did you say?

think about it, before you respond

Let me make this simple, white people kill non white people as if it where a sport and they have since forever

[Kurska]

99. Lolwut, china has had several civil wars.

History man, seriously it ain't hard.

[randys1]

101. You are not getting it, still

White people export death on NON white people, period, America does it daily and white people have been doing it for centuries.

[Kurska]

104. Yes, every ethnic group has done that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)

Mongols on Arabs, for instance.

[bravenak]

226. This was funny and sad.

The whole exchange.

[randys1]

236. and I was all alone :-)

[bravenak]

237. I feel a bit guilty.

But at least you won the battle. You were the only one who understood what was going on. I am sorry for laughing, but i find humor in strange locations.

[randys1]

238. I was arguing the same topic in more than one place and I did make a mistake and corrected it

I am stunned by how many alleged Democrats are gun crazy and white crazy...

the defensiveness is overwhelming to witness...

I figure one can learn more when they arent arguing just to win a point, which is why I altered my allegation in this argument...

[bravenak]

241. I have been enjoying your posts for a while now.

Whenever i see the rainbow flag, i check to see if it is you. I have noticed the defensiveness for a while and i think , what if black were that defensive and angry when white people talk about black people? We don't have the right to get angry about generalizations about black people. It happens all day every day and we deal with it and suffer through it. Make one generalization about them and you will see alot of folks angry and bitter and claiming two wrongs don't make a right and calling it racist. But sonehow it is not racist to make generalizations about black people. I call that white privilege. I'm right as usual.

[randys1]

242. I am watching a 5 yr old "Amazing Race" on Hulu, I love that show

There was a team of Harlem Globetrotters, Big Easy and Flight Time are their game names, they got to one leg of the race, completed it quickly and another team commented "of course they would find it first, they are the luckiest team in the world" and the white guy saying this was angry, something you dont see on the race often.

Now, what he was angry about was the Black guys were beating him, AGAIN...duh

It is EVERYWHERE

Oh, and you are not allowed to get angry or make angry comments that might be incorrect generalizations out of that anger, only white pepole can do that and they can do it anytime they want, I hear it all the time on Mark Thompson's show "Make It Plain" on Sirius, sometimes Mark gets pissed at something the idiot white racist teaparty is doing and he will be inundated with calls from white filth, calling him an angry Black man, etc.

[bravenak]

243. I am at the point where i think its so prevalent because it's in the last gasp phase.

Things are evening up and some are scared shitless that they are just not as awesome as they thought they were. Competing on an even field is too hard because they have come to expect to always have the advantage. La! I can't wait for the reckoning.

[randys1]

244. You hit the nail on the head, I have a friend who has told me the same thing for years...

At first I thought "what do you mean we are afraid to compete with you?", she explained the obvious answer about how whites have had an advantage like starting on 3rd base, etc, which I knew but it didnt occur to me that we needed that advantage



But after a few years on the internet and dealing with people who look like me, yeah, we need it...

[sulphurdunn]

164. We're back to a need

to substantiate your allegation with some facts. It really is required for you to be taken seriously.

[Comrade Grumpy]

125. No, it's the endless struggle against idiocy, even here at DU.

[randys1]

130. Ahh, now I am an idiot for correctly pointing out white on Brown violence

[Comrade Grumpy]

138. I'm sure you're a nice, well-meaning fellow.

But trying to conflate requests for accuracy with defending white supremacy is idiotic.

And what does "white on brown" violence have to do with anything, anyway? This thread is about a half-Asian, half-white guy with serious issues who murdered people.

[AgingAmerican]

159. You moved the goal posts to 'white on brown'

when your original premise fell flat on it's face.

[FrodosPet]

204. In the U.S., most murders are intraracial

A white person is more likely to be killed by another white, and a black person is more likely to be killed by a black.

In the case of interracial murder, blacks are more likely to kill whites than whites are black.

Race and Sex of Victim by Race and Sex of Offender, 2011

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6

Race of offender-White
Race of victim-Black
Total 193

Race of offender-Black
Race of victim-White
Total 448

[sulphurdunn]

156. Refute the argument

or concede the point.

[Humanist_Activist]

249. That's factually not true, indeed, given the demographics of the world...

and the time periods involved, most "white people" throughout most of human history didn't have the influence or power to cause most death and destruction in much of the world.

This is a rather eurocentric view you have.

[alp227]

202. And...

A white guy killed all those people at the Colorado movie theater.

Two white guys killed a bunch of fellow students at Columbine HS.

A white guy killed those kids & teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary.

A white guy shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and a buncha other people in Tucson.

And so forth:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

http://gawker.com/5973485/the-unbearable-invisibility-of-white-masculinity-innocence-in-the-age-of-white-male-mass-shootings

[aikoaiko]

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[SaltyBro]

7. The killer identified as a white

He was white and he lived with privilege his entire life. Those are the facts.

[Nye Bevan]

9. You can repeat "he was white" as often as you like.

But it will not make it true.

[Skittles]

16. how about.....they're all males

better?

[Nye Bevan]

24. Yes, true statements are much, much better than false statements.

Thank you.

[Calista241]

14. He self-identified as Eurasian. n/t.

[JVS]

60. Read the manifesto. His being half-Asian was a really big deal to him.

Or just read this for an extensive treatment of Rodger's problems with being half-Asian
http://aaldef.org/blog/elliot-rodgers-manifesto-shows-self-hate-fueled-anti-asian-violence-that-kicked-off-isla-vista-rampa.html

[sulphurdunn]

157. Wait a minute Bro.

His mother is not white. According to American custom that makes him non-white, unless the one drop rule has changed. Being a non-white rich boy would explain his violent behavior, because we know that non-whites are the greatest purveyors of violence in all of human history. Those are the facts. Aren't they?

[AgingAmerican]

160. He wasn't white

He was half Asian and half Caucasian.

Give it up.

[rollin74]

8. Elliot Rodger was mixed race

[LittleBlue]

10. Is the writer delusional?

He posts a picture that clearly shows that Rodgers was biracial, then proceeds to call him "white". That's on the same level as the Swift Boaters repeating a verifiable lie often enough and hoping people will fall for it.

I guess Obama is white?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

11. You do know that African Americans commit about 6 times as many homicides per capita, right?

Your argument is in complete denial of the data.

[noiretextatique]

20. mass murders like this?

no way.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

48. I don't know, I'm afraid. Do you have any data? N.T

[noiretextatique]

51. do you?

since you made the claim...prove it.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

54. Yes, of course.

I haven't checked any one of these - they're just the first few relevant hits from google - but there are a lot of them and they're all roughly in concurrence. It's not hard to find more if you want them.

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Probably http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbse&sid=31

http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=5969

[WCLinolVir]

71. Maybe single or gang related shootings, but not mass murders or serial murders.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

73. Pass, I'm afraid.

All I've seen data on is numbers of murders, not types.

I'm not even totally sure which of the figures I've seen refer to number of murders, and which to number of murderers.

[Paladin]

15. Note the feverish efforts to pull this killer out of the "White" line.

I think some of you folks are protesting too much.

[SaltyBro]

18. Their privilege is showing

[Paladin]

21. +1.

[noiretextatique]

22. yep...that's what this syndrome is about

feeling entitled

[Nuclear Unicorn]

25. How about: the lack of facticity is showing.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. Why the need to make him white if he's mixed race and self-identified as eurasian?

[Comrade Grumpy]

45. You have to ask?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

50. No, but what is worse is if I say it outright the post will get hidden. n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

55. Well, I'll say it: Some people just want any excuse to bash white guys.

And they don't even need actual facts to do it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

57. There is much in our society that needs to be healed but

blaming murder on race and doing so in abject denial of the facts is heinous. To date I've refrained from the white privilege threads but this is getting dangerous. Rodgers walked around with a "women hurt me and owe me" attitude. If some people don't start showing more sensibility they will start walking around with a "white people hurt me and owe me" attitude.

[WCLinolVir]

72. How about we consult the crayola box. Will flesh do?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

75. Probably not as he wasn't the brightest crayon in the box.

[Lonusca]

131. That was well done. nt

[Nye Bevan]

29. LOL. Surreal. (nt)

[delta17]

38. Why don't we just stick with the facts?

He was mixed race. The killing spree was horrific, no matter what his race was.

[tkmorris]

39. Or you could just note he isn't white

Personally I don't care. Everyone it seems is willing to see this asshat only through the lens of their favorite boogeyman, whatever that might be. Some see him as an MRA, some as a repressed homosexual, others as over-priveleged. Now suddenly he is white, for whatever reason. The vast majority of postings about this guy are more reflective of what the poster wants to see rather than whoever he was, seems to me.

Skittles seems to be the only one talking sense here. He WAS male. Undeniably so. Almost all of those who go off on rage fueled killing sprees are. Does that teach us anything, and is there anything we can do about it?

[Springslips]

76. Yep

Cognitive biases are up and running.

Everyone wants to use this for their axe to grind; few want to take the time to think, do research, find a good hypothesis.

That doesn't mean that blaming MRA, white/male privilege, NRA, mental health, ect isn't correct; it just means people are working their knee jerk schemas other than putting their assumptions to the test.

Every theory said on DU has holes.

[AgingAmerican]

161. The OP

attempts to paint the killer 'White'.

It's like a big tug-o-war!

[sulphurdunn]

170. How do you define white?

Is white having two white parents? One white parent? Light skin? Dark skin? Kind of light brownish white skin? The feverish efforts have been to beat the "white devil" drum so loud and so hard that none would dare question it. That has failed.

[valerief]

35. I can't believe all the posters here who refuse to see the murderer as white.

Amazing.

They sound like the gun lusters.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

42. Mixed race is the new white.

[valerief]

44. All races are mixed biologically. These political race designations change with the freakin' wind. n

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. There is only 1 true race --

human

[Donald Ian Rankin]

58. There is only one true height.

Some people may look taller or shorter, but it's all just cultural prejudice really.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

64. I prefer the Lincoln standard --

When asked how long should a man's legs be the future president replied, "Just long enough to reach the ground."

[Donald Ian Rankin]

68. I wish.

Mine are different legs, and I have mild chronic hip pain as a result.

[muriel_volestrangler]

59. Then it seems strange for you to criticise anyone who rejects one rigid definition for him (nt)

[Comrade Grumpy]

43. Are you kidding? Who am I going to believe, you or my lying eyes?

The guy is half white-half Asian.

Is Obama white? (Answer: Not in America)

[delta17]

86. No, someone with a lot of posts decided that he is white.

Therefore he is. Now go check your privilege, or something like that.

[JVS]

66. I bet they'd deny that 2+2=5

[gollygee]

69. People seem to be looking at this from two different perspectives

Certainly no one can argue that one of his parents was white and one was Asian. So he was biracial.

On the other hand, most people looking at him, hearing/reading his name, and interacting him would think he was white, so his experience in life as far as discrimination goes would be at least mainly that of a white young man.

Race is complicated because it's entirely a social construct - it is not a biological reality but a social reality. People are responding with who his parents were and from a biological standpoint, but they aren't seeing your point about race being a social construct so how he functioned in society and what discrimination he faced are a better determiner for the social construct of race than biology is.

[Springslips]

81. To claim he was motivated by a lost of white privilege...

You would need to first establish that he identified with being white. Of course identity is influenced by what society reflects back at you. If he identified himself as white, and the society identified himself that way, than white privilege is a stronger argument. People parsing his biological ancestry are totally missing the point.

[JVS]

91. The problem with ignoring his self identified Eurasian identity is that his manifesto portray...

his problems as a stemming in large part from not being white enough.


http://qz.com/213553/what-isla-vista-shooter-horrific-manifesto-my-twisted-world-says-about-values/

[valerief]

246. Thank you for stating it so well. nt

[cpwm17]

102. The OP brought the subject of race into the discussion

The OP is also a lie. Is this some kind of Kangaroo court?

[kelly1mm]

153. Isn't he as 'white' as President Obama? He is 1/2 white and 1/2 asian. President Obama

is 1/2 white and 1/2 black.

Why do you see the murderer as white?

[AgingAmerican]

162. He is Asian

Prove me wrong.

[sulphurdunn]

172. Define white.

The kid has one white and one non-white parent. If he'd have died saving people rather than slaughtering then, I'm certain his non-white ancestry would have been trumpeted long and loud.

[Shandris]

49. Is that how it works now?

Anytime there's a big crime, I just append their gender and race to it so it becomes a syndrome? I'll have to remember that.

[Vattel]

184. nice

[bpj62]

52. Serial Killers Vs Single Event Killers

I think the poster may have mixed up his type of killers m/o. It is a fact that most of the mass murder serial killers in the U/S/ have been white. Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, Son of Sam, The Boston Strangler sorry I can't remember his name. Wayne Williams and Richard Ramirez are the exception to the rule. The FBI has a huge department in Quantico dedicated to serial killers and I didn't get that from Silence of the Lambs. My question is this, what makes these guys any different than the Aurora shooter or Newtown, or the Libbeys in Killen Texas years ago. Is it that serial killers take their time and don't kill in mass but somehow still attain the same body count.

[Springslips]

84. Simple answer

Serial killers kill for the kick of it, it gets them off, it gets them high.

Mass Killers run amuck, they do it for the fame and notoriety and often commit suicide.

Serial Killers don't kill themselves.

I bet Mass Murderers have a higher level of depression than serial killers do.

[X_Digger]

61. Hrmm.. perhaps the author can do a comparison as to the percentage of white males in the pop..

.. vs their percentage as shooters.

My guess is that the percentage will be similar.

e.g. 72% of US males are white. Given even distribution, I would expect ~72% of male shooters to be white.

Cho, Hasan, Alexis, Wong, Pough vs Brown, Silka, Holmes, etc.

[Enthusiast]

70. Most of the weird ass serial killers are white guys.

But I'm a white guy and I haven't killed anyone yet. YET.

[randys1]

80. Yes indeed they are.

But instead of white being the issue here, as he wasnt technically white, GUNS are the issue

and we need to get rid of ALL of them

[FrodosPet]

232. How do you get rid of all of them?

New rule: When somebody says something needs to be done, they should be obligated to say how to do it. Not necessarily intricate details, but at least a rough sketch.

Do you support suspending the 4th Amendment and conducting warrantless house to house searches? I guess you would free up a lot of jail space by releasing everybody on non-violent drug charges. But you still may need more cells. A lot more law enforcement, personal searches, strict control over metalworking tools and equipment, more international intelligence missions to uncover gun running operations...

Are you good with all that?

[randys1]

239. Takes a long time, probably 20 yrs or more, are you saying since it would take a really long

time to do it constitutionally and safely that we shouldnt do it at all?

Do you want to stop exporting jobs and start manufacturing here what we buy? We can do it but that too would take 20 yrs to accomplish due to the way things are now...

Have to try...

If everybody had bazookas would you just say the hell with it, too hard to get them all?

[PDJane]

82. Most of the white guy serial killers have also been misogynist or racist or both.

There is a price to be paid, often, for turning a guy down for sex or even a drink. Men do have a propensity to think that they are entitled to a woman's body. That, in a nutshell, is it.

[bettyellen]

227. can't point out that and explain it makes all the internet mysogyny even more of a problem...

I think people are realizing they should step up and say something themselves-because it is common in our culture- and are scared shitless. Bros before blah blah blah.

[cactusfractal]

85. White is as white does. That's the privilege he had.

His manifesto discusses private schools, spacious homes, parents working in the Hollywood entertainment industry, international leisure travel (business class, no less) and more markers of overwhelmingly white privilege. He speaks of being descended from British aristocracy and multiple times calls blacks "ugly" and "slaves", while also denigrating Mexicans. His Malaysian mother did not work to raise him with the traditional values with which she grew up, either.

He's white, regardless of his genetic makeup. In any case, part Asian in SoCal is like Scotch Irish in Kentucky. It's quite common and not any sort of automatic cultural identifier or "in". It's a pretty safe bet that no one ever asked him, "What are you?"

So. BMW. Wears Armani and Gucci. Thinks he's better than blacks and Latinos. Only likes blonde women. Keeps $5000 in his bank account (from the parents) as a "floor". Yeah. That's pretty damn privileged white.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

93. Shark status: Jumped

Although I suppose a case could be made it was a Great White Shark.

[Union Scribe]

129. Ooo, we don't call them that anymore.

It's Only-as-great-as-everyone-else White Shark now.

[Union Scribe]

126. So white isn't really a race per se

but a state of being...

[cactusfractal]

194. If you aren't noticeably otherwise....

Sure. I'm certain he was never stereotyped as Asian. At least, not according to his own writings. He identified as long lost British aristocracy, after all, and it hardly gets more white and privileged than that.

[AgingAmerican]

166. So Michael Jordans kids are white "Regardless of genetic makeup"

...by your measure because they have attended private schools, lived in big houses and engaged in elite travel?

lol

[cactusfractal]

192. Of course they aren't...

My apologies for not being *exceptionally* specific.

The Asian contribution to his genome certainly never led to him being treated as Asian. That's the point.

Besides, rich black kids get harassed by cops and followed by store clerks every day. They don't enjoy white privilege.

[Union Scribe]

229. They aren't? You just said...

"If you aren't noticeably otherwise" then you're white. His kids look white to me. Wait, is race now a matter of opinion?

[cactusfractal]

193. And?

[cpwm17]

103. +1,000,000

[AgingAmerican]

167. Very succinctly put

nt

[Lobo27]

97. We as humans are all capable of horrible actions, and that is the honest truth.

[mwrguy]

110. He is white for all practical purposes, with all the privilege that goes with it

Him having some Asian is a technicality. He looked white, was raised by a white father, and acted pretty darn white to the very end.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

122. So, "white" is no longer a genetic disposition but a social status and one to be reviled at that.

It doesn't matter if person is Asian or any other race. Any behavior that is bad is ascribed to whiteness.

And if they are "privileged" they must be white. Because whites have privilege and preserve it only for themselves. Nevermind the fact that "the whites" apparently bestowed their privilege on a non-white; we'll just say he's white so we can transfer the guilt of the murder from the murderer to an entire race of people.

And since we're talking about privilege and since it obviously only applies to whites and it makes them murderous let's just make sure we keep non-whites in poverty and unprivilged. We wouldn't want blacks or Hispanics to have good schools, college educations, economic opportunity, homes, cars, etc. That would make them white.

Dear Lord in Heaven the stupidity is about to reach critical mass.

[TDale313]

158. From his manifesto:

This little shit certainly thought he qualified as white enough.

“How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more.”

[mwrguy]

175. This. He identified as white, lived as white

No excuses.

[Nye Bevan]

181. I guess you missed the word "half" (nt)

[bettyellen]

205. careful, you have some privliged people gunning for you now-

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[mwrguy]

213. The truth hurts some people :)

[AgingAmerican]

169. By your measure

my nephew and niece are white "for all practical purposes", with all the privileges that go with it?

Their mother is black and their father is white, which by your measure means 'having some black (half) is a technicality' right?

Amazing the crap people spew here sometimes...

[sulphurdunn]

176. For all practical purposes and all the privilege,

custom and American history that goes with it, he is about as white as a US president raised by his white grandparents and his white mother, who talks and acts pretty darn white himself.

[cactusfractal]

215. Which is what I said...

...and got the same attack from the same person for it. Aren't we lucky?

[IkeRepublican]

121. Sick and tired of the White people bashing

You know, if we're all supposed to regard each other as humans irrelevant of color, then let's do just that. Don't pick and choose to make the case, then get all offended over other things.

Mental health is the issue here. Until we do something about that, the bogus debates of race, guns and all the rest of the crap is going to be used to keep us focused away from the actual problem.

[mwrguy]

124. I'm sick of white supremacy and patriarchy

[Nuclear Unicorn]

128. Except that has nothing to do with Rodger and his actions. nt

[mwrguy]

137. How long are you going to follow me around making excuses for white privilege?

[AgingAmerican]

171. You are sick of the white supremacy on DU?

nt

[mwrguy]

174. In the world, and in america specifically

[Nuclear Unicorn]

186. How long are you going to run around and incite racism?

[sulphurdunn]

177. The take it out on white supremacists and partiarchs

[Delmette]

135. OMG

This whole argument would be resolved if the CDC was allowed to gather information and compile the stats on all gun deaths and injuries. Our senators and congressmen and women need to they'll the NRA to go to hell and do what is right by the American people.

[AgingAmerican]

141. I wouldn't give his wretched 'manifesto' or videos any legitimacy

I read his manifesto. It is a window into the mind of a psycho. He did it because he was cuckoo for cocoa puffs, not because he was 'white' (which he wasn't).

[davidn3600]

165. Virginia Tech shooter was Asian

Was he suffering from white male privilege too?

White Guy Killer Syndrome?

And are you suggesting blacks don't pull triggers? There was a gang shoot-out yesterday not far from where I live. 5 people arrested, all black.

[madville]

173. Or any of the following

Beltway snipers, Donner in LA, the Navy Shipyard shooter? They must have had Black Guy Killer Syndrome.

Virginia Tech and this recent Elliot Rodger shooting? Could have been Asian Guy Killer Syndrome

The Fort Hood shootings? Muslim Guy Killer Syndrome and Hispanic Guy Killer Syndrome could be possible with this theory.

[sulphurdunn]

178. Race is a biological myth

that only serves the interests of American oligarchs with a very real need to keep their subjects divided anyway they can.

[flvegan]

179. Welp, this went well.

Oops, I don't think I'm supposed to speak around the DU anymore, what with being white, male and having a gun or two. It's my fault. I'll get a t-shirt to properly shame myself.

[phil89]

180. He's white?

He doesn't look white to me.

[bravenak]

182. Look at all the white people trying not to claim him.

Even though he called himself white. It wasn't white people he was racist against. It was blacks, asians, mexican and women.


I guess if i do something spectacular white people will be trying to claim me since i am 30 percent white. But if i get arrested then i'm 100 percent not white.

This gets sadder and sadder every day.


Look, i don't care what 'race' he was. I care that he was a woman hating racist murderer.

[AgingAmerican]

196. Perhaps it's because

He isn't white?

You seem overly obsessed with white people, in thread after thread.

[bravenak]

200. Who cares? He called himself white i'll take his word for it.

I saw a pic of his dad. White guy.
I guess i'm not black since i'm only 40 percent? Great. I check white on the box. Except. America wont let me be white. I'm tainted with the black.
So are you saying he's not white even though his dad is? Because you know that mentality stems from eugenics and the one drop philosophy right? Mixed blood people are not considered white, they are otherized by their nonwhite blood.
My husband looks white but America calls him black because of the one drop philosophy and the racist eugenics movement. It's called passing and stems from slavery and the white supremacy history. They didn't want people passing black genes on through subterfuge ( having babies with white women) therefore when you were born mixed you were considered as being the 'lesser' race in order to keep white bloodlines pure.

Please do not tell people what they are. Let them tell you and accept their answer. He identified himself as white. Therefore he is.
If my husband tomorrow decided to be white i would be mad if you told him that he wasn't based on your perspective. Mixed people do not need white people to racially identify them, they can decide that for themselves.
To label people in the way that makes you more comfortable is wrong. They are what they are.

[AgingAmerican]

201. So if I 'identify' as black

...then I am magically black, even though I'm not? So Alan West is white? Ben Carson is white? etc?

My niece and nephew have a white father. I have seen pictures of him. Their mother is black. They are not white. They are mixed race.

I am into eugenics now am I? lol That reeks of desperation.

[bravenak]

206. If you have black in you and want to identify as black, do it.

I have a friend who is blond haired, blue eyed, and can't tan. She is black. Never call her white she will be enraged. It is her choice how she wants to identify herself.

I said that it stems from the one drop philosophy, and eugenics. Read up on it before you deny it. You will find i am correct. I have been studying up on this for me entire life. It is my thing.

I know plenty of half black people who identify as white. I know many who identify as black. Some are hispanic. I ask them and let them identify themselves.

I identify four ways. Black, native american, Irish, and hispanic. People think when they see me that i am black or dominican. I like to use all of them. That is my choice. I don't like leaving anything out. Some people feel more comfortable just using whatever is more dominant. In his case he felt that white was his race. His choice.
Yes. Your biracial relatives can identify as white if they want to. Why not? Are they not as white as they are black?

[AgingAmerican]

209. "read up on it before you deny it"

More nonsensically racist accusations.

[bravenak]

211. I never accuse you of anything. I accused America.

[Nye Bevan]

216. "I am of mixed race. I am half White, half Asian." (Page 17 of PDF manifesto)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabclocal.go.com%2Fthree%2Fkabc%2Fkabc%2FMy-Twisted-World.pdf&ei=6F-FU438H4_jsATjioLYAw&usg=AFQjCNGr2-rqEDUhEoyb0Cb-WTHYjjYOgA&sig2=NSs3nLzKfsGHbV1PGuDkZQ&bvm=bv.67720277,d.cWc&cad=rja

Why make up stuff like "he identified himself as white" when we can all read the manifesto for ourselves?

[bravenak]

217. What is your point?

I notice you never really have a point.

[Nye Bevan]

218. My point is that you claimed that he "identified himself as white"

when in his own manifesto he wrote "I am of mixed race. I am half white, half Asian". I thought that you might like to edit your post for accuracy.

[bravenak]

219. Nope. Thanks though.

Read his whole document. Racist against asians too. And blacks. And latinos. Not against whites though.
You never have a real point, you just like semantical arguments and nit picking. Not my thing. Have fun with that though.

[Nye Bevan]

221. Translation: "I just searched the PDF hoping to find where he 'identified himself as white'.....

..... but came up empty. Darn. Let's respond instead with a few generalities and an accusation of 'nit picking'. "

Have a good night!

[bravenak]

222. You got that from that?

Told you you never have a point. Just nitpicks and semantical arguments. And apparently mind reading.

[Packerowner740]

247. Read his manifesto

He railed against tall, muscular blond haired blue eyed guys that got to have sex with all the blond women, and I am paraphrasing here. He had a problem with any guy of any race that he thought was having sex with any woman he thought he should be having sex with. It didn't matter the race.

I read the entire manifesto last night. Give it a read.

[bravenak]

248. I read it. Had to start skimming because the writing made me ill to my stomach.

The kid was racist. He hated the blond guys for having sex with the women he deemed up to his standards. But it was even worse for him when a non white guy got the girl. That made him furious. He hated women most of all.

[cactusfractal]

235. Half white. All racist.

"How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age of thirteen while I’ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice!"

The "ugly black filth" and his oft-repeated paragon of beauty, the blonde white female.

"The sight of them enraged me to no end, especially because it was a dark-skinned Mexican guy dating a hot blonde white girl. I regarded it as a great insult to my dignity. How could an inferior Mexican guy be able to date a white blonde girl, while I was still suffering as a lonely virgin?"

Again, the non-white is specifically described as inferior. To the Asian in him? Hardly, in his mind.

"I always felt as if white girls thought less of me because I was half-Asian, but then I see this white girl at the party talking to a full-blooded Asian. I never had that kind of attention from a white girl! And white girls are the only girls I’m attracted to, especially the blondes. How could an ugly Asian attract the attention of a white girl, while a beautiful Eurasian like myself never had any attention from them?"

Ugly black. Inferior Mexican. Ugly Asian. Only one kind of racist I know thinks like this.

"On top of this was the feeling that I was different because I am of mixed race. I am half White, half Asian, and this made me different from the normal fully-white kids that I was trying to fit in with."

Normal fully white. Yeah. Right.

[Puzzledtraveller]

203. Murderer is enough for me.

[bravenak]

207. Thats the important part.

I could care less what race he is.

[Nye Bevan]

220. Not so much "trying not to claim him" as correcting a basic factual inaccuracy.

As Rodger wrote in his own manifesto, "I am of mixed race. I am half white, half Asian" (page 17 in the PDF I found).

Now does this prove anything about white people or Asian people or biracial people? No, of course it does not, any more than the beltway snipers or the Fort Hood shooter proved about African Americans. It's just that I (along with many other DUers in this thread) am simply calling attention to a factual error.

[bravenak]

223. Why?

Why is this the most important thing? The most important thing is to make sure we know he was half asian. Okay. We know this.

[Nevernose]

190. He may not have been 100% white

But if you read his manifesto, he sure as shit hated blacks and Mexicans, not to mention claiming to be a modern day fascist.

[AgingAmerican]

197. Sounds like he was

...a Republican.

[Nevernose]

198. Not all Republicans are racists or fascists

But racists and fascists don't vote for Democrats!

[FrodosPet]

228. That's a DUzy!

You've never been in a shop bar by chance, have you?

You should try it. But I gotta warn you, it may seriously shake up some preconceptions you may have about the progressiveness of blue collar union Democrats.

[maced666]

191. Thought he was biracial?

Oops.
Rewrite.

[Puzzledtraveller]

208. I could swear that guy is afroeurasionseminoleinuitcaucasionoidflavinol.

[bravenak]

224. Perfectly fine to say black on black crime. I hear it all the time.

I never hear white people in an uproar over the term 'Black on Black Crime'.
I always wondered why we don't use the term White on White crime. There a whole lot of that too.

Why? You should speak out against that term too. Do you? I have never seen you do it, so forgive me if you are always speaking out against race labels. I just have never seen you do it.

[FrodosPet]

231. Crime, anybody victimizing ANYBODY, has to be dealt with

The legal system alone cannot stop violence. They've been trying the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER for centuries. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

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On Wed May 28, 2014, 12:46 AM, bravenak wrote:

"I never hear white people in an uproar over the term 'Black on Black Crime'.
I always wondered why we don't use the term White on White crime. There a whole lot of that too."

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The only thing that stops violence is people not being violent. The murderer can do a SHITLOAD more to prevent a murder than the victim can. A rapist is 100% capable of not raping their victim.

Violence has to become unacceptable, UNCOOL, at the earliest stages in life. The world's children need to be taught respect for the life, safety, and possessions of everyone else on the planet.

THAT is what will stop Black on Black, White On White, or whatever other mix of labels Crime.

[alp227]

233. By the way, that post has been zapped 6-1.

Took just over 5 minutes:

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Oh, jeez. The ending of this, "Naw, just them white fellers. We can say that cause it ain't racist," is a very polite, dignified version of the white nationalist trolling mantra "anti racist is a code word for anti white" http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_codeword_for_anti-white

Sorry, if TSS wanted to be sarcastic, I failed to see it. In fact, user has recently had hides for similar posts:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024759632#post8
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024611453#post5

Furthermore, this is rude, insensitive, and off-topic threadjacking of an issue about AMERICAN culture. What the **** does violence in the Middle East have to do with the Sta Barbara shootings?

Based on the user's recent hides, this user is KNOWINGLY skating on thin ice with such posts as this. Enough with this trolling already!

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed May 28, 2014, 02:54 AM, and voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Seriously? Equating a person's race with being a mass killer? Perhaps the person who posted this crap needs to look at the overwhelming race of people who commit mass murder in the US. Spoiler - it's white males.

People in the ME are people of color? There is a red flag right there. The MAJORITY of people in the ME are not of European descent. Imagine that. Not to mention the faux ignorant language is insulting.

So kiss your own lily white ass you jerk.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
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Thank you.

(No I wasn't juror 3.)

[Union Scribe]

230. Well, they only do all that

because of white male Christians in the U.S. making them do it. Duh.

[Recursion]

234. The culture expects white (and Asian) violence to have a "reason"

Though that may have a lot to do with victimology (most people who kill kill people they know, and that mostly means people of their own race, so that can be hard to disentangle).

Compare the response to UCSB to the response to Myrtle Beach the next day. Or the Navy Yard shooting to the Chicago park shooting the same day (though both those shooters were black, which is why I think the victims' race has a lot to do with it too). People expect that someone shooting up a suburban school or a office complex has to have some "reason", be it terrorism or mental illness or whatever; nobody looks for "reasons" or reads a manifesto when somebody shoots up a park full of minority kids. Nobody tries to get "inside" a black shooter's head for the most part (unless he shoots a lot of white people at once). If they did, they'd probably find as much diversity in back stories and "reasons" as they have with the "white rampage" phenomenon.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

245. For Your Edification...

The plurality of homicides between 2000 - 2010 were committed by African American suspects (68,531), followed by "Race Unknown," (51,735) followed by White Non-Hispanic (49,936). Similarly, the African Americans represented the largest number of homicide victims (78,521), followed by White Non-Hispanics (58,989).

All of which makes the author's thesis seem awfully silly.

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all

[messiah]

250. Lumping a whole race of males together

will cause arguments between groups and therefor creating more anger and more disillusionment with society.

The root cause of this problem (humanities belief system) will never be solved because people are stuck in their ways.

The dog is just chasing its tail.

[playthegame]

251. White people are scary... time to cross the street

when you see THEM approaching!