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struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
Tue May 27, 2014, 04:52 PM May 2014

NYPD receives funding to equip officers with life-saving heroin antidote naloxone


By Rande Iaboni, CNN
updated 4:10 PM EDT, Tue May 27, 2014

(CNN) -- The New York Police Department, the largest police force in the United States, announced Tuesday that it has received funding to equip close to 20,000 officers with naloxone, a heroin antidote that can instantly reverse the effects of an overdose.

State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman declared that his office would provide the funding of more than $1.1 million to equip and train the NYPD officers as part of the Community Overdose Prevention Program.

"By providing NYPD police officers with naloxone, we are making this stunningly effective overdose antidote available in every corner of the five boroughs. This program will literally save lives," Schneiderman said at a press conference.

Each naloxone kit consists of a zip bag or pouch containing two pre-filled syringes of naloxone, two atomizers for nasal administration, sterile gloves and a booklet on the use of the drug, according to a statement from Schneiderman's office ...


http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/us/new-york-police-heroin-antidote/
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NYPD receives funding to equip officers with life-saving heroin antidote naloxone (Original Post) struggle4progress May 2014 OP
Not sure this is such a great idea Warpy May 2014 #1
It is good harm reduction practice. It provably saves lives. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #2
As long as they're trained well it should be good...but... joeybee12 May 2014 #3
How long until one of these goons use it some sleeping homeless person? 951-Riverside May 2014 #4
It is used on people actively dying of opiate overdoses. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #5
We were told Tasers would save lives and body cameras would hold police officers accountable. 951-Riverside May 2014 #6
"Naloxone Reverses Drug Overdoses, Saves 10,000 Lives" Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #7
I don't buy into this "greater good" sales pitch. 951-Riverside May 2014 #9
Ok, I give. Fuck those junkies. Better they die than a cop saves them. Jesus Christ. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #11
What you left out and why giving to cops is typical authoritarian bullshit. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #10
Well, yes, it is. Naloxone should be available to opiate users, and friends and family members. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #12
Kinda redundant in NY since that was whistler162 May 2014 #19
Well, that is good news and as it should be. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #23
This is the correct answer. LeftyMom May 2014 #14
You don't need a lot of convincing when you're unconscious and turning blue. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #17
Who do you think is around when people OD? It's usually other addicts. LeftyMom May 2014 #18
That's why we need 911 Good Samaritan Laws. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #20
It's a third thing to trust the NYPD to act in good faith. LeftyMom May 2014 #22
You know what? I know all this stuff, and I still think it's a good thing. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #24
You ought to ask Sharon Stancliff if she supports this move. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #15
Good. This is pragmatic and gives first responders another tool to save lives. KurtNYC May 2014 #8
With training and monitoring, this could work. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #13
They should equip the drug dealers and addicts. Most people use drugs as far from cops as possible. JVS May 2014 #16
Since the just passed legislation, NY, is why whistler162 May 2014 #21

Warpy

(111,146 posts)
1. Not sure this is such a great idea
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:00 PM
May 2014

I can see cops using the stuff on anyone they suspect is a junkie, throwing them into intense withdrawal for shits and giggles.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
2. It is good harm reduction practice. It provably saves lives.
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:12 PM
May 2014

NYPD's well-deserved bad reputation notwithstanding.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
3. As long as they're trained well it should be good...but...
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:16 PM
May 2014

Look how well they're trained with their guns.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
4. How long until one of these goons use it some sleeping homeless person?
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:18 PM
May 2014

I don't trust these tubby goons with determining who is under the influence then administering medication.

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Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. It is used on people actively dying of opiate overdoses.
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:24 PM
May 2014

Gee, I loathe cops as much as anybody, but this is a good and humane move. And it's not just NYPD. Police forces and EMTS all over the country are getting on board with this...because IT SAVES LIVES.

What is also needed are laws that allow friends and family members of opiate users to have it on hand. Some states have such laws, many still don't.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
6. We were told Tasers would save lives and body cameras would hold police officers accountable.
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:32 PM
May 2014


I'm done buying it. This will be abused without a doubt.

Tubby abusive NYPD goons administering medicine, gee what could possibly go wrong?

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Edit: I've edited my post, I was a bit too snippy. I apologize.
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
7. "Naloxone Reverses Drug Overdoses, Saves 10,000 Lives"
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:38 PM
May 2014

What could possibly go wrong? They might save somebody's life, that's what.

As I said above, I loathe the cops as much as anybody, but this is a good move. Even if, in your nightmare scenario, some cops find a way to abuse it, it is going to SAVE LIVES.

If you want cops to have less responsibility for reversing overdoses, argue and agitate for naloxone to be made available to friends and families of opiate users. But your position here is just stupid.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/21/naloxone-reverses-drug-overdoses-saves10

Since 1996, naloxone has reversed 10,171 drug overdoses, saving thousands of lives, according to a new study from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Naloxone hydrochloride (also known as Narcan) stops an overdose on opiates and helps restore regular breathing and consciousness. Once injected, naloxone can reverse an overdose as quickly as under a minute. Since naloxone is an opiate antagonist, it's not effective to stop an overdose on cocaine, alcohol, or benzodiazepines.

First approved by the FDA in the 1970s, naloxone was used only in emergency rooms and ambulances. But thanks to community-based programs, the drug has seen wider distribution in 15 states and Washington, D.C. According to the CDC, there is a direct correlation between harm reduction policies and saving lives:

Nineteen (76.0%) of the 25 states with 2008 drug overdose death rates higher than the median and nine (69.2%) of the 13 states in the highest quartile did not have a community-based opioid overdose prevention program that distributed naloxone.

Nationwide, drug overdose deaths have tripled since 1990. In 2008, there were over 36,000 drug overdose deaths. This actually topped car crashes as the leading cause of accidental deaths. That same year, more than 20,000 people died from a prescription painkiller overdose. Nevertheless, Eliza Wheeler, one of the authors of the report and program manager at the Harm Reduction Coalition (HRC), was ultimately optimistic:

Thousands of fatal overdoses occur every year, but this report shows that we can reduce overdose deaths by giving members of the community the right information, training, and tools.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
9. I don't buy into this "greater good" sales pitch.
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:54 PM
May 2014

I would be fine with this if police officers were held accountable for criminal behavior or mistakes but they rarely are. You've got a bunch of crazy people running around beating and shooting people on video without consequence so there is no doubt in my mind that this will be abused.

I have no problem with medical personnel having this.

your position here is just stupid.


 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
11. Ok, I give. Fuck those junkies. Better they die than a cop saves them. Jesus Christ.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:03 PM
May 2014

You may have noticed me posting repeatedly on police brutality/killing threads. I'm not a big fan of cops. But getting naloxone into their hands is going to save lives.

As I said above, it would be even better if friends and family members of opiate users had access to this stuff, but New York isn't there yet.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
10. What you left out and why giving to cops is typical authoritarian bullshit.
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:20 PM
May 2014

Indeed, naloxone has enormous potential to save even more lives: Almost three-quarters of the drug overdoses in 2008 were from opiates. Because of this, Sharon Stancliff, the medical director of the HRC, wants naloxone to be sold over-the-counter. Time magazine explains the reasoning:

The drug is safe and nonaddictive and it cannot be misused (indeed, it blocks the action of opioids, so it produces the opposite of a high), and so the more places it is available, the more likely that it will be within reach when needed. The possibility of a wider market would also be likely to spur more manufacturing of the drug


Naloxone should be available to *junkies*. Cops will use it as part of putting junkies in jail.
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. Well, yes, it is. Naloxone should be available to opiate users, and friends and family members.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:06 PM
May 2014

Why don't you convince the legislature of that?

In the meantime, this is putting a drug that SAVES LIVES in the hands of 20,000 cops in New York City.

The merely good is not always the enemy of the perfect.

I can't believe this conversation.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
23. Well, that is good news and as it should be.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:51 PM
May 2014

And thank you for mentioning it. I will keep up the diatribe.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
14. This is the correct answer.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:10 PM
May 2014

Also any lifesaving program that relies on trust between cops and drug addicts is doomed to failure. Even if cops could be trusted not to turn emergencies into new opportunities to arrest addicts (yeah, right) the chances of convincing addicts to trust cops would be smaller still.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
17. You don't need a lot of convincing when you're unconscious and turning blue.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:27 PM
May 2014

In fact, you better hope somebody called the cops or an EMT or somebody.

Even if the cops were to use this as an opportunity to arrest addicts, what then? You have on living addict with legal problems, as opposed to one dead addict.

Good lord, I think drugs should be legal and the war on drugs ended. And I don't like cops. And I'm reasonably cynical, but the responses on this thread are blowing my mind.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
18. Who do you think is around when people OD? It's usually other addicts.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:34 PM
May 2014

Addicts, of course, are really fearful of police interactions.

Hell, people who've OD'd get dumped at ERs all the time. Addicts are usually too afraid to hang around at *hospitals*, and people think they're going to run off and fetch the NYPD, of all people?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
20. That's why we need 911 Good Samaritan Laws.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:44 PM
May 2014

They provide an exemption from prosecution for overdosing addicts and people seeking help for them.

New York state passed a 911 Good Samaritan law in 2011:

http://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Fact_Sheet_State_based_Overdose_Prevention_Legislation_April2014.pdf

Of course, it's one thing to have such a law, and it's another for junkies to be aware of it. That's why harm reductionists do all they can to spread awareness of such laws among drug-using populations in states that have them.

At any rate, now in New York City, if you're dying of a drug overdose, your buddy can call the cops and they can come revive you, and neither you nor your buddy are going to jail.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
22. It's a third thing to trust the NYPD to act in good faith.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:46 PM
May 2014

Officers get evaluated on their arrest rate. They don't get evaluated on their implementation of harm reduction best practices.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
24. You know what? I know all this stuff, and I still think it's a good thing.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:53 PM
May 2014

Do you want police officer to NOT carry a life-saving overdose reversal drug?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
15. You ought to ask Sharon Stancliff if she supports this move.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:13 PM
May 2014

Every harm reductionist I've spoken to does, and I speak to them regularly.

I speak to Sharon, too, on occasion, and I'm confident she's all for this. Even if she wants greater access, too.

If you're worried about cops putting ODing junkies in jail, there are a couple of things you can do: Support 911 Good Samaritan laws, under which overdosers and the people who report them are protected from drug possession charges, and support decriminalizing drug possession. Those are ongoing struggles that can make a difference.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
8. Good. This is pragmatic and gives first responders another tool to save lives.
Tue May 27, 2014, 05:50 PM
May 2014

For those who have never been to NYC you should come once. It is not at all what you think it is -- people care about each other and about total strangers. People including the cops, are very social and approachable, always ready to have fun or share their opinion. We start conversations with strangers in the middle, usually a question like "did you see that guy just almost get run over?"

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