Two audio experts say it's not Zimmerman crying for help, yet the police INSISTED it was Zimmerman

[Cali_Democrat]

After the story today about the forensic voice identification expert ruling out Zimmerman as the one crying for help, I thought we should revisit this story about the Sanford police correcting a witness and insisting that it was Zimmerman crying for help. They corrected a witness after she told them that she heard the teen cry for help.

The witness is a long-time teacher also. This is egregious police conduct. It's crazy.

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help.

The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-shooting-trayvon-martin-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136#.T3esqdngyt9

Here's the story about the audio experts ruling out Zimmerman crying for help as a sgunshot silences the screams: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101487346

The Sanford police essentially took Zimmerman's word at the scene and didn't even come close to conducting a proper investigation. Anyone with two ears can tell that it's a teen screaming in the background. Correcting a witnesses is absolutely ridiculous police conduct. The cops thought they could sweep this under the rug and now it's blowing up in their faces.

We need a full and thorough Justice Department investigation of the entire Sanford Police Department. Some of these cops and Norman Wolfinger, the State Attorney, belong behind bars.

[Quixote1818]

1. K and R

[MoonRiver]

2. YES

[shraby]

3. It's not just simply "two experts"....it's two experts using different techniques

to determine that it wasn't Zimmermann.

[Quixote1818]

4. And if they compare the crying to Martin and get a 95% match

that should be pretty damming.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. Yup

Although I think experts ruling out Zimmerman is pretty damning alone.

[hexola]

5. "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."

I think your thinking the same way I am in this thread...referencing this "overheard" statement in the report.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002500726

[shimonitanegi]

6. I really don't understand

The police seemingly want to make this incident as the strong case of Zimmerman's self-defense. What's their motive?

[CAPHAVOC]

8. It is a police conspiracy to kill young Black kids.

Because Treyvon was Black and wearing a Hoodie. The Police want all Blacks wearing Hoodies shot on site. They want to let Zimmerman go because he is White. The Police are all Racists. Even the Black ones. Zimmerman is a White Racist. He may even be a secret Klan member. He saw a Black kid and set out to track him down and shoot him. He planned it all out. He thought since the Police are Racist he could use the Racist stand your ground law to get away with Murder. The only thing standing between young Black kids and Genocide is Al Sharpton. Once the Police found out Treyvon was Black and Zimmerman was a fellow White Racist they rigged the investigation. The only reason the White Racist Florida politicians passed the law was to enable White Racist Republicans like Zimmerman to eliminate young Black men wearing Hoodies. This is so obvious.

[Alcibiades]

14. Absolutely true

And now they are subcontracting out to the "neighborhood watch." Disgusting.

Interesting speculation there, though. I had actually thought it might have more to do with Zimmerman's father being a retired federal magistrate, though.

[CAPHAVOC]

21. Could be.

After all he is a Catholic. It may be a secret organization. They are on alert for people with Hoods. Like Monks.

[Hugabear]

10. This police dept has history of inaction when it comes to crimes against blacks

http://newsone.com/nation/nomul6/travyon-martin-justin-collison-sanford-cops-son-slugs-homeless-man/

When a police officers son punched out a black homeless man recently, the police did absolutely nothing.

[uponit7771]

13. Looks like the PD has a history of racial antagonism and "good ol boy" network

[pokerfan]

7. Sounds like the cops were telling people what they saw/heard heard rather than the other way around

Human memories are fragile enough as it is without the cops mucking things up...

"He kept telling them he couldn't see anything because it was too dark," she said. "He said he couldn't see the race or anything. He never saw a second person."

She said when police asked what the person was wearing they offered three color options and he said, "I think it was red."

Zimmerman was wearing a red and black jacket while Martin wore a gray hoodie.

"Knowing my son, I believe he felt pressured to give the color," Brown told the Daily News. "He really couldn't see anything. I think when interviewing a 13-year-old you don't give them three options."

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/30/Witness-mom-Police-exerted-pressure/UPI-86531333126227/

The police say (Cutcher) gave an official account to them at the time of the incident that supported Zimmerman's story.[77] However, Cutcher and her roommate maintain that their account of the incident to the police did not agree with Zimmerman's, and they demanded the police retract that incorrect statement.[75]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin#Witness_accounts

[Cali_Democrat]

20. I'm really getting the feeling this police department is extremely corrupt

Thanks for the links.

[Kablooie]

9. This sounds like a movie plot.

The police have been corrupted by someone and are aiding crimes in order to keep their skin.

There has to be a reason for such aberrant behavior that goes beyond racism.

There must be big money involved for someone somewhere or the police wouldn't have done such blatant and dangerous actions as they have done.

I don't know who or why but it sure smells like something is dirty in Sanford.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. It will be a worthy movie plot if Norm Wolfinger was there because someone called

him and pulled in a chip.

[Cali_Democrat]

22. I heard he drove 50 miles to the Sanford Police Department on that late Sunday night

Something definitely stinks.

[uponit7771]

16. Perfect plot for one; A-\B+ black student, Hispanic white male, States attorney, corrupt PD, Wal Mar

...Mart, NRA, GOP bastards...and a horrific ...horrific cry for help

[Baitball Blogger]

11. Cover-up from the very beginning.

[DallasNE]

12. Anybody Read The Police Report

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It said they applied CPR to Martin, including chest compressions. Martin was shot in the chest. I'm not a medic, but would chest compressions be appropriate under such circumstances? Wouldn't that just gush more blood out through the bullet wound?

Did Zimmerman use his cell to call his dad at the time of the shooting? For some reason those phone records have not been released. Granted, if the police didn't take his cell for evidence on the spot it would take a search warrant to get that information and that may require an arrest first. Frankly, the police report looks like a fabrication put together to support their releasing of George Zimmerman.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. The Sanford Police Dept is in hot water. nt

[EFerrari]

19. Cops who respond to crime scenes try to establish a storyline

as soon as possible and then set about nailing it down. That's what they do.

But it looks like the Sanford police only have one available to them.