Boycott FL as a vacation destination until they revoke the Shoot Whoever You Wanna Shoot laws.

[K8-EEE]

Personally I would not feel safe setting foot in that state knowing that a lunatic like Zimmerman can not only get a concealed weapons permit, but shoot an unarmed person no consequences. How many George Zimmermans are there in FL, and how many would find me, a stranger, "suspicious?"

[ProgressiveProfessor]

1. I won't go there due to the humidity and bugs...

As for other potential Zimmermans, I am their worst nightmare

[Cirque du So-What]

26. When you say 'I am their worst nightmare'

does the voice sound more like Batman or Rambo?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

31. Neither

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Its sounds like a black man with a gun...

[Cirque du So-What]

34. Fair enough N/T

[roguevalley]

41. they have big spiders. EEEEEE!

[Ecumenist]

2. Never planned to go there anyway. I think the idea is find out what other states have

similar laws. Boycott them too!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

4. Over forty states have Castle Doctrine laws of one kind or another

Which has presumptions stronger than SYG in many states

[K8-EEE]

7. Whose "castle" was Trayvon in? Not Zimmerman's....

when walking down the fucking street violates some "castle law" it's time to find a different vacation spot...

[1monster]

30. Twenty-two other states have similar stand your ground laws. Are

you going to boycott them too?

BTW, the stand your ground law has no standing int the Trayvon Martin murder. This case is more about corruption in the Sanford criminal justice system (not just the police, but the State's Attorney's office too) than anything else.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

33. Have you actually read either laws?

CD is a subset of SYG...

[Major Nikon]

11. I can't name any other state that has a law anywhere near as idiotic as Florida

"Castle Doctrine laws of one kind or another" is a pretty broad statement. The castle doctrine, as the name suggests applies to your castle or home. Some states extend this to your place of work, or car, or a few other narrowly defined spaces. Very few states extend this to anywhere you have a right to be, and even for the few states that do, I know of no other state that legally protects the use of deadly force based on "reasonable belief" that you are in fear of serious bodily harm or death. "Reasonable belief" is a very broad statement. It means it doesn't matter if a reasonable person wouldn't have pulled the trigger. It doesn't even matter if the person actually was in any sort of danger. They just have to think they are in danger. It's pretty hard to disprove what is going on in the mind of someone. That's why so many people are getting shot in Florida and the shooters are facing no criminal or civil penalties. The law specifically protects idiots with guns.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

32. A clue...Castle Doctrine does not even require reasonable belief...

Castle Defense is also a specific, arguable by some more extreme case of SYG. 24 states have some kind of SYG outside the home. People who actually know the law realize that.

[Major Nikon]

35. So name a state that has a more extreme shoot first law than Florida, then we'll talk

Fair enough?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

44. Name any state that has a "shoot first law"

Basic requirements were not waived by SYG in FL or elsewhere for the use of deadly force in self defense.

[Major Nikon]

46. I'll take that as a negative response

Thanks anyway.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

47. I cannot provide was does not exist

Since you cannot either, I suggest there is no such "shoot first" law in any state

[Major Nikon]

48. So now you want to make it an issue of semantics?

If you had no desire to discuss the subject, then I'll thank you not to respond to me in the future. I have better things to do than play those kind of games.

Cheers!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

54. Accuracy matters, and your screed's errors were not just matters of semantics

When you post stupid things, get called on them.

[Major Nikon]

55. That's a real knee slapper, professor

When your BS is called, and you have no answer, you simply change the subject as if anyone is not going to notice your obvious diversionary tactic. Your negative responses reveal volumes about the substance of your arguments or rather the lack thereof, professor.

At any rate, if you think the term is "stupid" you might want to take it up with these other progressive organizations which prefer the same term, most likely because it's far more accurate than the ALEC and NRA's bullshit machismo 'Stand-Your-Ground' marketing term designed for the consumption of idiots. Not sayin' you of course. Just sayin'.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/23/1077185/-Why-Stand-Your-Ground-Is-Actually-Shoot-First-

http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/shoot-first-laws

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/20/floridas_shoot_first_law_critiqued_by

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203230014

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Shoot-First-Backgrounder-Short-Form.doc?mobile=nc

Cheers!

[-..__...]

3. Not this shit again...

[Tunkamerica]

16. are the beer bottles on display? or do you just drink several different brands?

[Tunkamerica]

17. I saw your earlier post on this subject. i guess we know where you stand.

[fascisthunter]

29. it's ok... we understand

[Yavin4]

5. Be Careful There. You're Threatening Florida.

That gives their citizens the right to shoot you.

[K8-EEE]

6. I know right? That probably gives their citizens the right to get on a plane with a loaded gun

and shoot us all!

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. "How many George Zimmermans are there in FL, and how many would find me, a stranger, "suspicious?"

"Shoot Whoever You Wanna Shoot" is pure hyperbole, nothing more.

[eustus]

15. Trayvon Martin was was a visitor in Sanford.

He was there to visit his father, but he lived in Miami Gardens. Trayvon was shot by some vigilante who thought that he didn't belong in Sanford, a vigilante who thought he could gun some stranger down and get away with it. It is possible to conclude that visitors in Florida are neither safe nor welcome...

[Mariana]

22. I suppose it's unlikely if you're not black...

nt.

[jillan]

9. I know two people that are heading there in a few weeks.... I told them to leave their hoodies

at home.

Being from Az I can't say I like this boycott a state idea.
Yes, you want to make a statement but in the long run it just hurts the regular, everyday people that live & work there....people that probably hate these goper laws just as much as we DUers do. People who probably did everything they could to keep these crazies out of office, but didn't succeed.
I know what it's like to work my ass off against the craziness, only to know the crushing feeling when the crazies win.

[Tunkamerica]

14. you mean... voters?

[Egalitarian Thug]

10. Well, there you go again...

it is not "shoot whoever you wanna shoot", it's "shoot any body darker than you as long as you're not darker than me".

You DFH have got to learn the rules, dammit!

[Ecumenist]

12. You're funny...I think I like you...Welcome to DU, Egalitarian Thug

Right glad Tameetcha! LOL!! it is not "shoot whoever you wanna shoot", it's "shoot any body darker than you as long as you're not darker than me". That's hilarious but sadly true as shown by the Trayvon Martin murder. Keep posting because you have a way of getting the point across to people who don't understand what's really happening and the possible actual reason behind that "law".

[Egalitarian Thug]

42. Why, TYVM. Glad to be here. n/t

[Tunkamerica]

13. Once I realized "waterbugs" were giant roaches they lost me as a customer.

[Mariana]

23. LOL, not only that, they're giant roaches that FLY! nt.

[Sherman A1]

18. My suggestion would be

to contact the state tourism web page (and some of the local CVB's) and order your printed vacation guide(s). Have them send it to you via USPS and then simply chuck it into your recycle bin as "oops plans changed for this year's vacation". This has the plus of helping the Post Office a bit with additional business, costs the various agencies there a bit and is something like mailing back the credit card offers with empty envelopes.

[chnoutte]

19. + 1000

Vote with your wallet, it is the only vote that matters.

[FLSurfer]

20. The vacation boycott is a start but what would

we have to do to get people to stop moving down here?

[chnoutte]

21. IMHO most of the smart people left a longtime ago

Similar to people of a certain religious and ethnic group who left a certain northern European country in the early 30’s when they saw the writing on the wall

[Amaril]

37. Thanks

Those of us who make our home here thank you SOOOOOOOO much for your kindness, courtesy & respect.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[greytdemocrat]

24. Yes, please stay away.

And make extra sure you "boycott" SW Florida.

[Amaril]

39. I know, right

The streets in our coastal cities are clogged with enough clueless tourists already. We won't miss a few.

(Proud St. Augustine resident)

[Honeycombe8]

25. Vacation? nt

[Zax2me]

27. Too late. Plane tickets purchased.

Over 40 of us flying in for a wedding.
Money being spent there?
Embarrassed to say.
Stupid weddings....

[lunatica]

28. You've probably been in the presence of someone with a hidden gun many times

George Zimmerman types live everywhere.

[SecularMotion]

40. The National Reciprocity Law would allow George Zimmerman to carry a concealed weapon in every state

that allows concealed carry of weapons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117226489

[jwirr]

36. My governor vetoed the bill in our state and I am going to stay home.

[Amaril]

38. Personally...........

we're glad you're not coming.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

43. I have Pennsylvania plates and an Obama for President bumper sticker on my car,

those crazy floridians would probably use my car for target practice!

[JI7]

45. Florida along with Texas are a few of the states i have no interest in visiting

not sure it's even because of the Bush's 2000 florida mess etc because i do want to visit Alaska and conservative places like Tennessee and South Carolina.

would like to do a small trip to the south some day excluding Florida and Texas.

[K8-EEE]

49. Cuba pix --def on my bucket list!

WHEN are they going to lift that ridiculous travel embargo. Are they "afraid"Fidel is going to get us with WMD from his death bed or what.

[A HERETIC I AM]

50. Pic #2 - "Come and see the advanced transportation system"

[steve2470]

51. I don't think there's any need to boycott Florida, despite our problems and Republicans

At this point the entire matter is with the Special State Prosecutor, and, as far as I know, she will do the right thing. The problem is with THE SANFORD FLORIDA POLICE DEPARTMENT and Seminole County, which is a fraction of the state.

Now, if the Special Prosecutor fails to do her job properly, then... ok... I can see a rationale.

Until then, talk of a boycott is premature.

Angela Corey, Special State Prosecutor

Angela Corey, Prosecutor In Trayvon Martin Case, Known As Tough

[donco]

52. I’ll be fishing

in the keys this time next week..sorry been looking foreword to this trip for months.

[2ndAmForComputers]

53. I do a lot of domestic tourism.

And I only ever go to the bluest states as a matter of principle. So no change for me.