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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:00 AM May 2014

Maya Angelou supported Obama, but she blasted his school reform policies.

It's possible to do both, and she did that. She joined 120 other authors in signing a strong letter to President Obama urging restraint on Race to the Top and high-stakes testing.

When Maya Angelou blasted Obama’s school-reform policies



The legendary poet and author Maya Angelou, who just passed away at the age of 86, was a big supporter of President Obama, and in 2011, he awarded her the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian honor. But she also was a critic of his school-reform policies, raising her voice last year to blast his signature education initiative, Race to the Top, and expressing concern about the impact standardized testing was having on children.

Angelou was one of the more than 120 other authors and illustrators of books for children who signed a letter last October to Obama and said they were “alarmed” about the impact his standardized test-centric school-reform policies were having “on children’s love reading and literature.” The letter, organized by the National Center for Fair & Open Testing, said in part:

We are alarmed at the negative impact of excessive school testing mandates, including your administration’s own initiatives, on children’s love of reading and literature. Recent policy changes by your Administration have not lowered the stakes. On the contrary, requirements to evaluate teachers on student test scores impose more standardized exams and crowd out exploration.


She later appeared on MSNBC and further explained her opposition.

A week later, she appeared on the MSNBC show “Andrea Mitchell Reports” and responded to questions about her opposition to Race to the Top, a multibillion-dollar competition run by the U.S. Education Department that allowed states and later individual school districts to vie for federal funds by promising to enact education reforms favored by the administration. Critics have charged that Race to the Top has led to increased high-stakes standardized testing because it requires states that win funds to evaluate teachers in part on student standardized test scores. She said:

“Race To The Top feels to be more like a contest … not what did you learn, but how much can you memorize.”


Here are excerpts from the letter signed by the writers, and following it a list of the signers.

Top authors — including Maya Angelou — urge Obama to curb standardized testing

Dear President Obama,

We the undersigned children’s book authors and illustrators write to express our concern for our readers, their parents and teachers. We are alarmed at the negative impact of excessive school testing mandates, including your Administration’s own initiatives, on children’s love of reading and literature. Recent policy changes by your Administration have not lowered the stakes. On the contrary, requirements to evaluate teachers based on student test scores impose more standardized exams and crowd out exploration.

We call on you to support authentic performance assessments, not simply computerized versions of multiple-choice exams. We also urge you to reverse the narrowing of curriculum that has resulted from a fixation on high-stakes testing.

.....This year has seen a growing national wave of protest against testing overuse and abuse. As the authors and illustrators of books for children, we feel a special responsibility to advocate for change. We offer our full support for a national campaign to change the way we assess learning so that schools nurture creativity, exploration, and a love of literature from the first day of school through high school graduation.


Then the complete list of signers follows.

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Maya Angelou supported Obama, but she blasted his school reform policies. (Original Post) madfloridian May 2014 OP
kick FourScore May 2014 #1
Did she receive a response? Jefferson23 May 2014 #2
Yes, unfortunately this disastrous 'program' continues unabated. While Education Publishers, many of sabrina 1 May 2014 #3
Ah, ok..you're referring to his remarks about not wanting to see testing become the center of Jefferson23 May 2014 #4
Yes, I found his words to be very puzzling considering that his own appointee is doing exactly sabrina 1 May 2014 #7
Yes, I know the feeling. madfloridian May 2014 #23
Maya Angelou: ‘We are all teachers whether we know it or not’. ( Love this quote from her ) Jefferson23 May 2014 #25
Yes, as Obama says one thing about testing, his appointee is doing the opposite. madfloridian May 2014 #6
Obama has said one thing on a lot of subjects, but another manifests. merrily May 2014 #12
Yes...observed that also...n/t KoKo May 2014 #21
I wonder if he is consciously duplicitous or Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #101
KNR. DirkGently May 2014 #5
k&r Starry Messenger May 2014 #8
But the HORROR of school privatization goes on and on... nikto May 2014 #9
and on and on... madfloridian May 2014 #10
It's Larceny, on a national scale nikto May 2014 #82
She supported Hillary first, even though her good friend Oprah was supporting Obama. merrily May 2014 #11
Well, I assume she supported him as her president...as most of us do. madfloridian May 2014 #13
I support my country, but I had a hard time supporting President Bush. merrily May 2014 #14
Not sure what you are trying to say. madfloridian May 2014 #19
Only that I couldn't support a President simply because he was President. merrily May 2014 #20
In her own words, he's done "a remarkable job" Tanuki May 2014 #16
Would you expect her to say anything much different? merrily May 2014 #17
Obama's vicious "education (d)eform" continues undaunted. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #15
^ Wilms May 2014 #18
kick QC May 2014 #22
This is how you celebrate the life of Maya Angelou? msanthrope May 2014 #24
Boggles the mind, daligirl519 May 2014 #26
This was from WaPo Valerie Strauss... YvonneCa May 2014 #34
thanks for pointing that out noiretextatique May 2014 #37
Valerie Strauss regularly displays her stupidity, and it's not necessary to repost it here. nt msanthrope May 2014 #39
You my well imagine that there are some who... YvonneCa May 2014 #42
They are free to post her foolishness.... but they do not escape the consequences of posting msanthrope May 2014 #43
So do you. Jakes Progress May 2014 #46
When all you have is insults of fellow DUers...you've lost the argument. nt msanthrope May 2014 #50
When all you have is insults to fellow DUers…you've lost the argument. Jakes Progress May 2014 #74
If you think Valerie Strauss is stupid, I don't know why you are on a progressive site. kwassa May 2014 #55
Having been a public school teacher, I think education reporters who msanthrope May 2014 #56
Modern critical theory? kwassa May 2014 #57
Yes...Valerie Strauss, and quite a few teachers on that thread could not identify "close reading." msanthrope May 2014 #59
Do you have a point? kwassa May 2014 #60
You opened the conversation with me..I assumed you had a point to make to me. nt msanthrope May 2014 #61
Read my recent edit. kwassa May 2014 #62
Which edit??? nt msanthrope May 2014 #63
I'm sorry, you don't have a critique. When you find one, write again. kwassa May 2014 #64
I'm serious....you've edited multiple posts and now, I'd just like to know which one you want me to msanthrope May 2014 #65
Valerie Strauss exists in opposition to Jay Mathews. kwassa May 2014 #66
Oh Jeebus....opposition to Matthews? More like a Confederacy of Dunces. nt msanthrope May 2014 #67
You seem to have no idea of the issues kwassa May 2014 #68
My...you really want me to stand and deliver. nt msanthrope May 2014 #70
I want you to show you know anything about current issues in education. kwassa May 2014 #71
My dear, I'm now answering you with puns, which show that I know precisely who the players are. msanthrope May 2014 #72
You are being passive -aggressive, patronizing and sound bitter Tsiyu May 2014 #77
No...just tired. So I went to bed. nt msanthrope May 2014 #84
Kwassa's point was clear to me, as an educator. What was the point you were making, I am having a sabrina 1 May 2014 #69
There is a reason you don't understand the point. Jakes Progress May 2014 #75
no...they are the same noiretextatique May 2014 #87
almost unbelievable bigtree May 2014 #30
The approved waiting period before posting something like this is 31 hours. progressoid May 2014 #31
did you see the national review "tribute?" noiretextatique May 2014 #36
And that touches on a rightwing trope I despise: "The deceased person of color supports 'x.'" msanthrope May 2014 #40
agreed on that noiretextatique May 2014 #85
You lack the standing to ask MadFlorican for something better. Jakes Progress May 2014 #45
+100000000 woo me with science May 2014 #49
I don't know who "MadFlorican" is, but this is Democratic Underground, where a cat may look msanthrope May 2014 #51
Did you "personal experience" with Maya Angelou Jakes Progress May 2014 #79
You seem rather upset. You seem to be fixtated on the question of who is "worthy" to msanthrope May 2014 #83
what is your point...regarding education? noiretextatique May 2014 #91
There is no point. Just mindless brain farts. Jakes Progress May 2014 #93
You seem rather uninformed. You seem to be fixated on yourself. Jakes Progress May 2014 #94
As you have previously called me "stupid" on this thread, I can't imagine msanthrope May 2014 #96
I did not. Poor attempt to evade apologizing for poor behavior. Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #97
You seem very upset. Yes..you did call me stupid..or did I misinterpret msanthrope Jun 2014 #98
You seem very upset. Yes, you missed the point. Jakes Progress Jun 2014 #100
good for you noiretextatique May 2014 #88
Did you mean to support misanthrope's attack on MadFloridian? Jakes Progress May 2014 #95
a fitting tribute to a woman of principle noiretextatique May 2014 #86
This thread is a good tribute to Maya roody Jun 2014 #99
I'm no good at "gotcha" stuff. Don't know how to respond to it. madfloridian May 2014 #27
... progressoid May 2014 #32
.... madfloridian May 2014 #33
Those are stupid, nasty people. Jakes Progress May 2014 #48
Good post - TBF May 2014 #28
..... madfloridian May 2014 #29
wow...you mean you can support a president noiretextatique May 2014 #35
Yes. madfloridian May 2014 #41
what a concept! noiretextatique May 2014 #89
.... madfloridian May 2014 #90
Kicking n/t FloriTexan May 2014 #38
That's because she led a principled life. Jakes Progress May 2014 #44
Think how easy...just save posts from people you disagree with...post them when you are losing madfloridian May 2014 #47
I support the President too but that doesn't mean I don't disagree with some of his actions or kelliekat44 May 2014 #52
I think it Jamaal510 May 2014 #81
And here are some early results from the pilot roll-outs of the Bush/Obama school reform Doctor_J May 2014 #53
Glad to see they mentioned McKeel Charters, and Seth McKeel and Kelli Stargel... madfloridian May 2014 #54
She supported Hillary during the 07/08 Dem primaries. Skip Intro May 2014 #58
This is one of the reasons I love her Tsiyu May 2014 #73
Yes, well said. madfloridian May 2014 #76
glad to see you here! Tsiyu May 2014 #78
Glad I am retired, but I feel so sad for those who are not. madfloridian May 2014 #80
K&R. liberal_at_heart May 2014 #92
In that photo she looks pained and stoic as she gets that inappropriate neck kiss from the prez. ancianita Jun 2014 #102

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. Yes, unfortunately this disastrous 'program' continues unabated. While Education Publishers, many of
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:19 AM
May 2014

them Friends of Bush, continue to profit hugely from this horrendous 'education' program, America's children fall further and further and behind the rest of world. That doesn't seem to bother our 'leaders' for some reason.

That is the answer she got.

Angelou was correct in her assessment of the current education system in this country. And ironically, airc, from another of MF's excellent posts on this topic, Obama appears to agree with her, at least judging by his words. But his appointment of Duncan contradicts his own words.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. Ah, ok..you're referring to his remarks about not wanting to see testing become the center of
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:28 AM
May 2014

teaching?

Mr Duncan is continuing on the same path as before..I have not read about any changes.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. Yes, I found his words to be very puzzling considering that his own appointee is doing exactly
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:55 AM
May 2014

what he says he opposes. I even wondered, (CT Alert here) if he was trying to send a message to us, asking us in a subtle way to speak out and do whatever we can to oppose the policies. But then I realized that really WAS a CT. But it simply makes no sense for a President to have such clarity on a subject, at least verbally, while supporting by his actions, the exact opposite of what he is saying. I feel like Alice in Wonderland, sometimes!

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
25. Maya Angelou: ‘We are all teachers whether we know it or not’. ( Love this quote from her )
Thu May 29, 2014, 11:37 AM
May 2014

I don't know if I agree that what Obama has said and then acted differently or I should
say indifferently, is puzzling any longer. When you look back on how he handled his position
at the Harvard Law review, it was a pragmatic approach to civil liberties, versus the impression
he gave while campaigning before '08 that he was a more staunch advocate..we have learned
differently on that subject too.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
6. Yes, as Obama says one thing about testing, his appointee is doing the opposite.
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:44 AM
May 2014

As I keep saying, it's like a steamroller.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. Obama has said one thing on a lot of subjects, but another manifests.
Thu May 29, 2014, 02:36 AM
May 2014

Different camps would have different explanations for that phenomenon.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
101. I wonder if he is consciously duplicitous or
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

just unaware of what is going on. Neither is very good to contemplate. But sometimes I wonder if five or ten years after his time in office, he will read what went on during his presidency and wonder how that happened.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. She supported Hillary first, even though her good friend Oprah was supporting Obama.
Thu May 29, 2014, 02:35 AM
May 2014

So, did she wholeheartedly support Obama, or did she wholeheartedly support the Democratic nominee?

We'll never know.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
13. Well, I assume she supported him as her president...as most of us do.
Thu May 29, 2014, 02:36 AM
May 2014

Even though some of us differ on policy.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
20. Only that I couldn't support a President simply because he was President.
Thu May 29, 2014, 07:03 AM
May 2014

Ijust used to hear that a lot from Republicans during the Bush years, how I should have respect for the office and support the President, simply because he was President. I always replied that I had a lot of respect for the office. It was lovely. It was Bush I couldn't respect. I guess I had a flashback to that time.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
16. In her own words, he's done "a remarkable job"
Thu May 29, 2014, 03:11 AM
May 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/feb/15/maya-angelou-barack-obama-remarkable-job

...."I think he has done a remarkable job, knowing how much he has been opposed," she says. "Every suggestion he makes, the Republicans en masse fight against him or don't vote at all." It's about him being a Democrat and being the first black president, she says.

Angelou worked with King in the 1960s as northern co-ordinator for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the pair debated the possibility of a black president. King said it would happen within 40 years. Angelou told him it would not happen in her lifetime. She was wrong; happily so.

Reflecting on that presidency, what did she expect? "I was hoping for the best. And I think I have gotten the best from him." What of his detractors? "Those are people who didn't see the morass into which he stepped."....

merrily

(45,251 posts)
17. Would you expect her to say anything much different?
Thu May 29, 2014, 03:18 AM
May 2014

Did she ever say why she supported Hillary in 2008 and not Obama?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
24. This is how you celebrate the life of Maya Angelou?
Thu May 29, 2014, 11:28 AM
May 2014

I mean...she's not dead 24 hours and this is the thread you think is appropriate to post??

I contrast this with EarlG's thread, and I shake my head...Maya Angelou deserved something better from you.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
34. This was from WaPo Valerie Strauss...
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:50 PM
May 2014

...AnswerSheet. Reposting it here to share information is done with regularity by many DUers.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
42. You my well imagine that there are some who...
Thu May 29, 2014, 05:27 PM
May 2014

...disagree with you about that. Last time I checked, DU was a pretty inclusive Democratic discussion board.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
43. They are free to post her foolishness.... but they do not escape the consequences of posting
Thu May 29, 2014, 05:41 PM
May 2014

such foolishness....

Here's an example of what I mean...would you post educational critique from a reporter who revealed she was ignorant of modern critical theory?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024082337

To the Jury...the posting of prior threads is not against the TOS. In fact...admin has helpfully provided us with an "advanced search function" to facilitate precisely that.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
74. When all you have is insults to fellow DUers…you've lost the argument.
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:11 AM
May 2014

Amazing how well you make my point for me.

You love to toss, but you can't catch. Stupid is as stupid does.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
55. If you think Valerie Strauss is stupid, I don't know why you are on a progressive site.
Thu May 29, 2014, 11:14 PM
May 2014

and such a statement makes me doubt your intelligence, not hers.

and I think you are truly unknowing (polite euphemism) about educational issues in America today.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
56. Having been a public school teacher, I think education reporters who
Thu May 29, 2014, 11:22 PM
May 2014

can't recognize modern critical theory techniques are stupid, and are not erudite sources.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5021184

Is it too much to ask that an education reporter at least recognize modern critical theory before opining on it?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
57. Modern critical theory?
Thu May 29, 2014, 11:39 PM
May 2014

oh please.

I am a current public school teacher. Theories change every two years in education, unfortunately. What you think you know from your past experience is no more. I would point out that there is little scientific evidence supporting anything in modern educational theory.

Please elucidate what you think you know.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
59. Yes...Valerie Strauss, and quite a few teachers on that thread could not identify "close reading."
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:01 AM
May 2014

Close reading, of course, being Talmudic-derived, is not exactly new..as you noted on the thread.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4083774

To the jury....citing older posts is not a violation of the TOS..and the advanced search function to the upper right of the page, helpfully provided by admin, facilitates that.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
60. Do you have a point?
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:06 AM
May 2014

To attack an idea is one thing. To attack a person is another.

I've read Valerie Strauss over time. Have you?

edit to add: Since you are attacking people, who is Jay Mathews, and how is he relevant to this conversation? If you don't know that, you have no sense of context.

Now Google Jay Mathews ....

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
62. Read my recent edit.
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:13 AM
May 2014

Then you will have something to talk about.

edit to add:

Oh, what was your modern critical theory?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
64. I'm sorry, you don't have a critique. When you find one, write again.
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:19 AM
May 2014

Calling someone stupid hardly qualifies you as an expert in anything.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
65. I'm serious....you've edited multiple posts and now, I'd just like to know which one you want me to
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:24 AM
May 2014

respond to.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
68. You seem to have no idea of the issues
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:35 AM
May 2014

Bottom line issues in current day education.

Two opponents, one heavily influential before the other rose.

Hey, I'm giving you hints, here! Who is Jay Mathews? Come one, you have this Google thing, don't you?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
71. I want you to show you know anything about current issues in education.
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:41 AM
May 2014

So far, you show nothing.

You don't even recognize the players.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
72. My dear, I'm now answering you with puns, which show that I know precisely who the players are.
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:01 AM
May 2014

I get that you are not happy that I posted your own reply in that thread back to you, but seriously.....instead of trying to "test" me by asking me if I know who Jay Matthews is, why not ask a more focused question about the WaPo's inexplicable decision to retain him at all???

If, as you posit upthread, VS is an antidote to JM, then I think the WaPo is selling a false dichotomy.....and selling one side of the argument short.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
77. You are being passive -aggressive, patronizing and sound bitter
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:17 AM
May 2014

This is a discussion board; if you don't like the topic of discussion, why not bow out rather than send out underhanded insults?

I know a lot of teachers; they are unhappy with Obama.

You may think every single thing Obama has done is perfect and above reproach. Your right.

Insulting those here who hold other opinions, and pretending to be "in the know" on a certain aspect of an argument and then bailing when it gets too deep may make you seem petty and pedantic.

And that's my opinion

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
69. Kwassa's point was clear to me, as an educator. What was the point you were making, I am having a
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:36 AM
May 2014

lot of difficulty understanding it. Businessmen, Bush cohorts, invented the current system of 'education' now being enhanced by this administration, not educators, BUSINESSMEN, not women MEN. MEN who had no clue about education, but they sure understood how to use public education funds to make a fortune, as they are still doing.

I have no idea what your point is, no Democrat I know EVER supported Bush's cynically named 'NCLB', for obvious reasons, which is why they voted for Dems. And what did they get for all their work, NCLB on steroids!!

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
75. There is a reason you don't understand the point.
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:17 AM
May 2014

It doesn't exist. Snark for snakiness and lots of self-aggrandizement.

We know these guys. You remember them from their bombast in the teacher workroom. Lots of self-congratulatory hooey.

And you are right. No Democrat supports NCLB or whatever name they tack on to it now. But a lot of democrats (as in reagan-democrats and centrists who pretend to think they are Democrats) find no reason to question the wisdom of the corporate class. They are too full of envy. They wish they were one.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
87. no...they are the same
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:55 PM
May 2014

And that's the BIG problem, and the BIG lie. They are the 1% and they are protecting their own interests. Their kids are in private schools.

progressoid

(49,987 posts)
31. The approved waiting period before posting something like this is 31 hours.
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:34 PM
May 2014

Jeez - everyone knows that. Shame on Madflo. She's an embarrassment.





noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
36. did you see the national review "tribute?"
Thu May 29, 2014, 02:23 PM
May 2014

It was all about the fact that she shot a gun...once...and thereby supported gun ownership. It was disgusting.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
40. And that touches on a rightwing trope I despise: "The deceased person of color supports 'x.'"
Thu May 29, 2014, 03:26 PM
May 2014

I'm really sick of dead people of color suddenly supporting whatever political agenda is on tap for the day. Next rightwing motherfucker tells me MLK would have hated equal marriage, I'm gonna scream.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
45. You lack the standing to ask MadFlorican for something better.
Thu May 29, 2014, 06:41 PM
May 2014

Why is it inappropriate to revoice her championing of children's rights and the need for education. Her love of words and education are part of her enduring legacy. I think she would be glad to have any occasion to stand up to the CorpEd and its friends like arne.

Mad did a service to education, to Maya Angelou, and to DU.

Educate yourself.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
51. I don't know who "MadFlorican" is, but this is Democratic Underground, where a cat may look
Thu May 29, 2014, 10:26 PM
May 2014

at a king.

Last night I chose to write about my personal experience with Maya Angelou, devoid of agenda. I'm proud of that.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
79. Did you "personal experience" with Maya Angelou
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:24 AM
May 2014

involve any growth on your part? Or was it just another way to puff yourself up.

You are so not worthy to judge or question someone who knows more about this than you can ever understand.

(Oh. And I have cats. I know cats. I'm glad to call cats my friend. And you are no cat.)

Your buffoonery about the typo lets us all know just what kind of teacher you were. We have real bead on your years of "service" now. Sorry that my missing three fingers made a typo that bummed you out. (Look up what is generally thought of the level of intelligence of posters who try to make an argument by finding spelling errors or typos. Like I said: We see you now.)

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
83. You seem rather upset. You seem to be fixtated on the question of who is "worthy" to
Fri May 30, 2014, 07:07 AM
May 2014

question other posters.

I find that rather undemocratic, no?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
91. what is your point...regarding education?
Fri May 30, 2014, 03:57 PM
May 2014

Maya Angelou opposed the President's education policy...that is a fact. Does attempting to parse that fact that she did not
not agree with his direction on education 'honor' her...in any way? It does not. She supported Obama, but, despised his education policy. Reasonable people can accept thbat.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
93. There is no point. Just mindless brain farts.
Sat May 31, 2014, 12:27 AM
May 2014

This one has no opinion (or knowledge) about education issues and what is happening to our children and schools. Just crapping where he shouldn't and refusing to apologize.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
94. You seem rather uninformed. You seem to be fixated on yourself.
Sat May 31, 2014, 12:32 AM
May 2014

Do you actually want to take a position on the president's actions regarding education? Do you actually know anything at all about the OP that you blundered into? Do you have a point other than your own twisting of the issue where you try to avoid admitting that you are clueless?

A good step would be to apologize to the writer of the OP, to the DUers who actually give a damn about our nation's schools, an to the children you insult with your drivel. Then you could educate yourself on the subject before you spout off again. That would be the good and smart thing to do.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
96. As you have previously called me "stupid" on this thread, I can't imagine
Sat May 31, 2014, 09:44 AM
May 2014

why you would want my opinion on anything.

Now, there might be other women of your acquaintance you have called stupid and who have continued to answer your questions, but this is one female who has enough self-respect to decline.

And don't you agree with that? No woman should countenance and enable such insults by answering the questions of the person who called her "stupid."

This makes you only the second poster on DU whose questions I refuse to answer.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
97. I did not. Poor attempt to evade apologizing for poor behavior.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jun 2014

Show me where I called you stupid.

I didn't think you would do the right or the smart thing. You had a chance and you changed the topic and played victim. Poor baby.

Of course you refuse to answer. Answer one way and you show you support republican, neocon attacks on children and their schools. Answer another way and you show you posted your snarky reply to the OP without information and that you avoid honor by not apologizing.

So huff up and play the poor victim. You know better. So do we.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
100. You seem very upset. Yes, you missed the point.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jun 2014

Stupid can be a condition (sarah palin) or it can be an action. Calling out a respected and learned DUer for standing up for children and American schools because you have a bug up your pants is a stupid action. The condition of being stupid means that there is little you can do about it. If one is stupid, one just stumbles on, usually digging oneself deeper. If it is a stupid action, one can learn and grow. One can try to atone and repair that situation. One can.



I have done stupid things before. When I realize I did so, I did my best to apologize. I have had to do a lot of apologizing and a lot of repairing. But I'm not stupid.

You did a stupid thing. You should apologize.

I await the promised apology for your misinterpretation. But first you owe MadFloridian, teachers, and DU acknowledgement that you screwed up. That would indicate growth.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
88. good for you
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:34 PM
May 2014

madflordian is an educator, a Democrat, and a staunch supporter of the Democractic party. She is angry about the fact that the the party she supports is abandoning its promise to support public education. I, like the vast majority of Americans, attended public schools, and did very well...without constant testing. So, if resources are limited, where should they be spent? On testing, or on educating? And for kids who are not being educated...how does testing help them?

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
95. Did you mean to support misanthrope's attack on MadFloridian?
Sat May 31, 2014, 12:35 AM
May 2014

The text of you post did not jibe with your headline.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
27. I'm no good at "gotcha" stuff. Don't know how to respond to it.
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:28 PM
May 2014

I have great respect for both President Obama and Maya Angelou. I do strongly disagree with the president's education policy. So did Maya Angelou. However she respected and supported the president also.

I never expected to be accused of misusing her legacy by posting this. It is her love of literature for children, and my love of it as a teacher that prompted the post.

She and the other 120 childrens' authors who signed the letter to the president realize that there will be little time left after testing practice for the teachers to read to the little ones.

My primary classes had reading time every day when I or a parent read a book or story to them. It was the highlight of their day in most cases, especially in the impoverished area where I taught my last few years.

Children's books were all around the class at all times. It was part of our days.

I was just reading California Peggy's great post about the place of DU in her life.

It has meant a lot of many of us through the years, and I have been here since 2002. That's almost 12 years.

But I don't know how to cope with knowing that I must await the inevitable stuff I call "gotcha".

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
33. ....
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:43 PM
May 2014

Thanks. back.

Everyone says it's the internet, you have to be tough. Guess I'm not very tough anymore.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
48. Those are stupid, nasty people.
Thu May 29, 2014, 06:48 PM
May 2014

I lack your grace in these situations. Don't get tough. Your feelings are what make your posts valuable. Those ignorant posters that refuse to learn, to understand, to admit their blindness will always attack and attack. But don't become as hard-souled at they are. Or as snippy and burned out as I am.

Keep teaching. Even when they dolts at the back of the room are playing with their phones and playing gotcha. The rest of the class will benefit.

TBF

(32,053 posts)
28. Good post -
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:41 PM
May 2014

Many of us generally support Obama while questioning individual policies. I question the intelligence and integrity of those who blindly march lockstep to anyone.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
35. wow...you mean you can support a president
Thu May 29, 2014, 02:20 PM
May 2014

And even be good friends with him...and still oppose some of his policies? you mean you do not have to defend the indefensible and cheer on anything he does without being a racist or a hater or an emofirebagger?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
47. Think how easy...just save posts from people you disagree with...post them when you are losing
Thu May 29, 2014, 06:44 PM
May 2014

the argument. They don't have to have anything at all to do with the topic at hand, just a way to make sure you are keeping records in case.

If I were the only one a certain person did this to, I would be upset. But it's being directed toward others as well.

And...BTW...this appears to be another site that is being denigrated here. Like other bloggers, other websites. The WP's Valerie Strauss...discredited here for posting the educator's point of view and not the reformers.

Think about it...keep a list of others' posts so you can grab one when needed to try to make them look bad. It's bound to at least irritate the person into hesitating to post much because of what older post might be dragged up.

It used to be called "calling out" here, and it was discouraged. In fact it was not acceptable. Now it is, and we either wait and see what post from the past is reposted what day or we don't post.

It's called "gotcha".

I would defend Valerie Strauss today, but it is too discouraging to even try.

And no, I didn't alert...I don't alert anymore at all. I think only twice in DU3. But I did a search today, and it a tactic being used against quite a few people here now. That's a shame.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
52. I support the President too but that doesn't mean I don't disagree with some of his actions or
Thu May 29, 2014, 10:27 PM
May 2014

inactions. Why do people act as though blacks have to be monolithic, unthinking, and non-critical when it comes to this President...or any other President for that matter?

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
81. I think it
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:36 AM
May 2014

is like that when pundits discuss minority groups, in general. For example, many of the talking heads have been touching on Latinos and immigration so much that one would likely think that is the only issue that the average person of Latin American background cares about and/or votes on. Nevermind other topics like jobs and health care.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
54. Glad to see they mentioned McKeel Charters, and Seth McKeel and Kelli Stargel...
Thu May 29, 2014, 11:13 PM
May 2014

who are on the board of the charter school. McKeel is head of appropriations, and one county got far less than the charters after 2 years of getting nothing for public schools.

Thanks for the link.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
73. This is one of the reasons I love her
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:08 AM
May 2014


Speak truth to power.

Obama has done much good, but also has cow-towed to malevolent interests, especially concerning the War on Drugs, education and Monsanto.

No person can be perfect, but this president can be better.

Maya was not too blinded by adoration to call him to account.

That's honesty, integrity and true strength right there...



madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
76. Yes, well said.
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:17 AM
May 2014

Thanks for that. Your words so true, she had " honesty, integrity and true strength right there."

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
78. glad to see you here!
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:21 AM
May 2014






And you're welcome. I know teachers who are just dejected and grieving right now over what is happening in education.

They are being treated like pawns, all their creativity and years of experience flushed down the Common Core, Charter school toilet.

My heart goes out to all teachers fighting the stupidity.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
80. Glad I am retired, but I feel so sad for those who are not.
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:34 AM
May 2014

So many I taught with who are still teaching are seeing their careers up in the air for no fault of their own.

ancianita

(36,031 posts)
102. In that photo she looks pained and stoic as she gets that inappropriate neck kiss from the prez.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jun 2014

I'm glad she took a hard stance against his education policies. I loved teaching her poetry and book, and showing videos of her. She is a great American treasure.

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