Snowden: "...NSA has in writing emails that show I raised concerns..." (SIC)

[uponit7771]

BULL FUCKING SHIT!!

He stole all documents the NSA had on lock but didn't bother taking his own fucking emails showing proof he went through proper channels to get his issues heard??!?!??

REALLY!?


Keep believing this bullshit from the pooty poot propped traitor....



your take?


tia

[mindwalker_i]

1. Yeah, the little fucker stole stuff that showed the government breaking the law

ASSHOLE!

[uponit7771]

2. This is false on its face, I don't agree with what they were doing but then I can support those who

... make laws to change it.

That doesn't mean they were breaking a law...

[MohRokTah]

3. No, he didn't

When pressed in the interview he could not give a single instance where the NSA broke the law.

[Mojorabbit]

7. Meme of the day I see nt

[MohRokTah]

9. Fact from the interview.

HE and Greenwald both had a chance to give an example and neither could do it.

So that whole "whistleblower" lie was shown to be a lie by Snowden and Greenwald themselves.

[Leme]

16. not giving an example does not mean he did not have one nt

[MohRokTah]

18. LOL, yeah, and stealing government documents is not a crime.

And Snowden should be above the law

[Leme]

26. sorry but, he has been accused of doind a crime

and even if he said he did a crime...it is not official until a court says so Just how it is.

[MohRokTah]

38. Um, he HAS been accused of committing a crime.

This is why the State Department revoked his passport and want him returned to the US.

He admitted to being a criminal in the interview, which will be used as evidence against him.

The only place and time anybody must be considered innocent until proven guilty is when they are on trial in a court of law and they jury room. Anybody else besides judge and jury are free to consider anybody guilty of any crime they want, and given that Snowden ahs admitted he committed criminal acts, it's a safe bet he's a criminal.

[Leme]

44. bet all you want

you said he was a criminal, I said legally he is not at the present time. troll all you want

[MohRokTah]

50. And now the ad hominem troll accusation appears

So, you and I can never have a rational discussion on anything.

Ever.

[Leme]

53. I did not call you a name, I described what you could do

You do not choose to stay on topic, on the statements I make

[HangOnKids]

49. Gee I need a beer and some pretzels

To go with your post.

[Bobbie Jo]

20. Indeed

They keep avoiding this factoid and pressing on with the erroneous meme that he UNCOVERED ILLEGAL ACTIVITY!1!

I wonder if Faux is co-opting this spin?

[Whisp]

4. He went to Booz with the intent of stealing documents.

(and had contact with Greenwald before he went to Booz)
Then after he steals them, he emails the NSA and claims this as a defense?

LOL. sure.
What a stupid little man.

[uponit7771]

6. +1

[MohRokTah]

10. And that implicates Greenwald, too.

Greenwald might want to be sure he doesn't stick around too long. I'm sure the authorities watched the interview and caught the tidbit that he was contacted prior to the illegal act.

[uponit7771]

27. like whoa!! BEFORE Stealing the docs off the shared drive he was copying them to!? That's all this..

...bird brain did was able to get to a drive via SVPN and see all the files... he was doing a literal copy and before he did any of this he contacted Glenwald!?

They're both up shit creek!!

[treestar]

32. And at that point, how would he know if there was any illegal activity or not?

He's a liar on the face of it.

[Whisp]

41. speed reading, I guess.

There have been a lot of numbers thrown around, 1.7 million documents is one I heard. I would think a 'document' is one single file and there would be docs of various sizes.

I guess he took up speed reading while watching all the stuff American's buy flying past his computer.

[NOVA_Dem]

5. The NSA confirmed to Brian Williams that Snowden filed at least one complaint.

NBC News filed a FOIA request to obtain the complaints he filed. Brian Williams stated this clearly in the interview.

[uponit7771]

8. Not my point, SNOWDEN should have these emails to show to people that he went through

... proper WHISTLE BLOWING CHANNELS (or something close) not an email complaining that they were using too high of a decryption algo for google.

That's what the NSA is showing, he should know by now that the NSA wasn't going screw themselves

A lot of people on DU (including me) and others would have a lot of handshaking to do with Snowden if he tried his best to raise the red flag and get things done vs give shit to Der Spiegel that makes them response that the info would place agents in greater danger (their words).

[NOVA_Dem]

14. Based on your OP it is your point but it's false.

NSA has the emails and NSA is the one saying that he never tried to go through the proper channels. Brian Williams has confirmed that he DID try to file a complaint. Your point is bogus.

[uponit7771]

19. I said proper channels, please read body of post again... He still doesn't have the emails HE used..

...to raise the flag and better yet... shit would hit the fan if he DID have these emails of Snowden GOING THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS and they were ignored and people were doing things that were illegal.

He'd have such and ass cover in the emails alone...

He hasn't produced any so far

[NOVA_Dem]

22. He tried going through the proper channels, NSA has the proof, NBC confirmed it and

you created some irrelevant hurdle of producing an email(s) that the NSA already admits to existing as proof that he never tried to go through the proper channels.

[uponit7771]

31. That's false, NBC has an email of a complaint of some shit that he sent AFTER he left! Come on

... people pay attention to the details.

PROPER CHANNELS != send an email to some people... then leave with a tone of documents and ...

not take the emails that were sent that would bring a shit storm down on the spy agencies heads?!?

This guy is full of shit

[randome]

36. The email was supposedly sent much later than when Snowden planned to steal documents.

Remember, he said he took the job with Booz-Allen for the express purpose of stealing documents. Then sometime after this, he sent an email to someone.

It's looking more like someone (Greenwald?) advised him he had better leave a paper trail of some sort before he left the country.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Whisp]

11. Yes, but that complaint was dated AFTER he stole the goods.

What is That all about?

He had the hot goods in his dufflebag and had second thoughts and fired off an email in hopes the NSA authorities would change his mind, stop him? What?

Or just another simple minded move from the Snowden Group thinking it will make some cover for them.

[MohRokTah]

13. It was CYA.

I'm wondering now if Greenwald suggest he do it, too, given that Greenwald appears to have been in on the theft.

[Whisp]

15. I think GG is an accomplice.

But I've always felt that. Accomplice after the fact or during the fact, spider senses are zinging off the metre that creep has a hand in this in some way we don't know yet.

[MohRokTah]

17. I was willing to give GG the benefit of the doubt that he was a part of the crime

but it's looking mroe and more that he and Snowden were an espionage team.

[Whisp]

21. Which means there is somebody both are taking orders from.

I can't see the two doofuses pulling something like this up, even though they screwed up their story so many times you can't count.

Seeing as they both Libertarians of the asshole kind and smell like Ron Paul's armpit ...

[MohRokTah]

24. Typically these things are all about the money.

Refer to Christopher Boyce (who had high and mighty motivations, but still went for money) and Andrew Daulton Lee (who was only in it for the money).

They could have both thought there would be money coming their way simply for the story.



Motivations for criminal activities are hard to pin down without a lot of information.

[Whisp]

30. Bingo! Omidyar. GG's boss, is a Libertarian. I didn't know that. n/t

[jmowreader]

47. Sometimes they're about ideology...Pollard springs to mind

Ideology (anti-Obama hatred?) may be operative here; remember that Snowden once posted on ArsTechnica (he was TheTrueHOOHA) that leakers should be shot in the balls. And then he became one. 'Course, I don't think he considers himself a leaker but rather a "patriot" - the most abused word of the past six years, because every militia freak, teabagger and seditionist calls himself a patriot now.

[uponit7771]

42. Yes, this shit is no happenstance crap... steal some docs, send email after leaving, go to adversary

...country, give the adversary countries "media" docs, get assylum from same adversaries and then claim hero

[uponit7771]

33. Boom goes the dynamite, this shit is orchestrated... if he had emails were he raised flags to the...

... right folk the right way then he'd bring them out already

[ProSense]

12. It was

"The NSA confirmed to Brian Williams that Snowden filed at least one complaint."

...theatrical BS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025018316#post6

[uponit7771]

23. Yeap, more SnowGlen sophistry... they're masters at wording... they're supposed to go through some

... channels in regards to getting people notified... looks like they sent some freakin emails that he didn't bother to keep!!?!?

I've gone through this with a company and kept everyone of my emails and was able to EASILY do so for the sake of production later.

[treestar]

34. This means the mean old government would have voluntarily found

evidence in favor of Comrade Eddie and given it up in a FOIA! I though it was so corrupt that surely it would have destroyed those records by now?

And Eddie was still too stupid to take his own CYA material with him. So the mean old US government provided it for him. You're welcome, Eddie.

[Union Scribe]

39. wow look at the hinges popping

in this thread! "Comrade Eddie" has ruined your week huh?

[treestar]

45. No, I'm enjoying it

And you forgot to respond to the inconsistency about the corrupt US government.

[struggle4progress]

60. NSA Releases Email Snowden Sent Before Leaks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025020931

[Union Scribe]

25. hmm, someone's grumpy. nt

[uponit7771]

28. Yeap, the person who doesn't like traitors

[Union Scribe]

37. lol.

Take that, enemies of Murca.

[HangOnKids]

51. But but but the Traitor Savior Has Spoken!

Holy SHIT! I smell a reality TV show.

[treestar]

29. Totally with you

Comrade Eddie is a nuisance, not some great hero.

[Logical]

35. Lol, nap time? nt

[DesMoinesDem]

40. The NSA confirmed he sent emails. They have proven you wrong.

It's funny how people with no information of what actually happened scream BULLSHIT! and then are proven wrong by the people they are defending.

[uponit7771]

43. Yes, he sent emails AFTER he stole the docs and left... please pay attention to details when it come

...comes to SnowGlen... they are kings at sophistry

[DesMoinesDem]

46. I'm paying attention. You obviously aren't. I'll go over it real slow for you.

OP: Quoting Snowden"...NSA has in writing emails that show I raised concerns..." BULL FUCKING SHIT!!
NSA: Yes, we have emails from Snowden that show he raised concerns.
OP has been proven wrong.

[uponit7771]

48. yeah... you left out the stuff after bull fuckin shit... kinda changes the OP position but hey...

... I'm open

[DesMoinesDem]

54. No, the stuff after bullshit changed nothing.

Whether or not he has copies of the emails are irrelevant to whether or not he sent them. The NSA has confirmed he sent them. It happened. You called bullshit. You were proven wrong before you even made the thread.

[uponit7771]

57. Disagree, it's relevant... he's stupid and no one beleives these emails of him going through proper

... channels exist.

The one that NBC is reporting was made AFTER Snowden stole the documents!!!!

[DesMoinesDem]

61. No, it's not relevant AT ALL to your argument. That is a fact. You were proven wrong. Fact.

[ProSense]

52. The e-mail was released

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025020097

[Logical]

55. Feel silly now??? LOL!

[uponit7771]

56. Nah, too busy laughing at people who're considering Snowden sending an email AFTER .. AFTER

... he LEFT was an "attempt" to go through proper channels.

[Logical]

62. Stay on alert, the terrorists are everywhere!!!!!!! Yellow alert!!!!!! n-t

[msanthrope]

58. Why should he? Snowden sent an email that according to Mother Jones, raised no concerns

about programs....he just had a basic civics question that belied his lack of education.

Heck...he was even asked to contact them again if he had more questions!!!

And this was sent after he stole.

[uponit7771]

59. YES!!! SnowGlen are such liars, they sent the email after they stole the docs and claimed that was..

... "proper channels" and no one has challegened them on why the have 2 million docs and

ZERO

ZERO

of his own emails he sent!!