A blog post on "Men's Rights" groups (blast from the past)

[riqster]

Seems a good time to bring it up: http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/mens-rights-activist-busted-for-beating-the-s-out-of-a-prostitute/

Roy T. Dye, “men’s rights activist” is such a loser, he has to pay women to have sex with him. Not only that, he beats them when they show up to provide paid sex services. Yes, this is what the “men’s rights movement” is: men who hate and abuse women.

Don’t believe it? Look at their Facebook page, if you can stomach it. It’s full of seriously sick, twisted s***. Racism, sexism, lies, hatred, yep, that’s what these pathetic needle-dicked little s***s are all about.

There is no need for a “men’s rights” anything. We males own most of the world’s wealth, control most of its governments, and are in charge of nearly all of its law-enforcement. Really, who is oppressing us? Answer: no-f***ing-body is oppressing us.

The only people who think we need such a “movement” are pathetic, useless, violent, stupid, hateful, misogynistic people who can’t even be called “motherf***ers”, because no woman in the world would willingly f*** them. They take their psychotic attitudes and try to pretend they are somehow “victims” of all those big, bad, evil wimminfolk and their global conspiracy to cut off our penises (really, one of their posts actually mentions the need to protect our junk from the feministas).

So, the next time one of your Facebook “friends” posts a “men’s rights” link, just remind them that the guy behind it is a woman-beating, unemployed piece of crap that has to pay women to talk to him. An inspiring leader, isn’t he?

Source info at the link.

[randys1]

1. Men's rights group, kinda like "Koch Bros rights group, please whine for us"

[polly7]

2. Or, the next time one of your Facebook "friends"

posts something regarding:

-males abused physically by their partners or spouses and having none of the resources available, such as emergency shelter, etc. - point and laugh! Because physical injuries caused by women are funny, especially if the target has a penis ... then, they're hilarious!
(My brother went through this, if I'd caught someone laughing I can guarantee they'd be chewing their food twice).

-fathers who've lost the right to even see their own children during custody disputes where spouses/partners have been proven to have lied, made false sexual abuse allegations, etc. etc. - just point and laugh, because that shit is funny, especially watching the children involved lose a loving parent d/t the hilarious abuse of the laws and propensity to disbelieve in many, many cases, the complete innocence of the man accused. But he has, you know .... a penis, so laugh and point!!!

- males who've been thrown in jail, had their repurations ruined and lost jobs because a woman they had just broken up with slammed her own shoulder in a heavy steel door (right in front of my own lying eyes!!!), screamed at us to call the cops (which we wouldn't do), but called them later anyway. That shit is also hilarious. Again, point and laugh!

I've seen all this and know it's real. If it occurs in my small town and group of friends, I can imagine it occurs on a much larger scale. Of course women suffer more d/t domestic violence, economic hardships on their own trying to raise a family, sexism and mysogyny, but men DO HAVE REAL ISSUES that may (if one has the agenda to look hard enough) be mentioned in MRA group's writings - it doesn't make them any less real, painful, destructive or important. Recognizing and empathizing with the VERY REAL concerns of men suffering in today's economic reality so much that millions around the world are committing suicide for the hopelessness and dis-honour of not being able to provide for their family is also quite funny, I'd forgotten about that! hahahaha! Who knew human suffering could be so entertaining?!

I thought progressives were intelligent enough to realize that the struggles of one do not in any way diminish the struggles of any and every other. Hopelessness and pain are not a competition. Why the need to make them one is completely beyond me.

But yeah .... pointing and laughing is fun, so let's all just - DO IT!


ffs.

[riqster]

3. There are legitimate concerns, and legitimate groups to deal with them.

In fact, as a man, I have had to deal with certain injustices in the domestic court system. So of course such issues exist. Never did I say they did not. Nor was I laughing at those who suffer; if I did, I'd be pointing a finger at myself, and some friends as well.

But MRAs are not legitimate support groups for men dealing with spousal abuse, custody issues, child support and so on. They are hate machines, pure and simple. MRAs I will bash away at, like I do other hate groups.

Local social service agencies can steer men to groups that offer constructive solutions and support, without the misogynistic crap. They did it for me.

[polly7]

5. The problem I have, is that almost every legitimate complaint here, and in many other places

is purposefully scoffed at and equated to the rantings of real MRA sites, and those men suffering are left feeling alone and hopeless.

I'm an equal opportunity 'basher' against any extremist group, and that includes those of both genders who sow hatred and divisiveness. Yes, they're ALL hate machines.

And no, in small rural areas like mine, there are NO resources for men who are abused, and very little support among other men or even family, in many cases. Empathy and compassion go a long way. Broad-brushing, ridiculing and pooh-poohing for shits and giggles on sites like facebook and even here, is just pathetic.

[riqster]

9. MRAs do not offer support and compassion. They are hate groups.

Again: I am bashing MRAs. I am NOT bashing men.

Big difference.

[polly7]

11. Yeah, we get that.

As is any extremist group.

[NuclearDem]

6. The OP was about Men's Rights groups.

Men have problems, yes I know, I am one after all.

But directing men with problems to MRA groups is about as stupid as directing a white person down on their luck to the Klan. They're hateful little groups that don't actually give a shit about the issues and just use them to propagate their hate.

[polly7]

10. No shit!

When every complaint and concern lodged HERE is turned into a joke and ridiculed as 'parroting MRA sites', the OP is about a hell of a lot more than Men's Rights groups, and you and I both know it.

Hateful little people try to diminish very real concerns and struggles if they in any way take away from the importance of their own (which they don't of course).

[riqster]

13. I wrote the OP, and know what it was about.

It's about "fuck MRA groups".

And that is ALL it's about. If you want to ascribe additional motivations to it, feel free. But I know what it's about, and will not go along with your attempts to make it fit another agenda.

[polly7]

16. Your agenda is clear. nt.

[riqster]

22. As is your attempt to project your thoughts onto my OP.

Failed attempt, by the way. My OP is clearly focused on MRAs and only on MRAs.

Feel free to write what you want, but it has little or nothing to do with what I wrote.

[NuclearDem]

14. They do parrot MRA talking points.

In that they inappropriately blame their problems on women's rights movements, when in fact it's been demonstrated repeatedly that what's called misandry is blowback from centuries of misogyny.

[polly7]

17. That means you, many times parrot female hate groups.

[NuclearDem]

18. Analogy comprehension fail.

[polly7]

19. Nah, you just want to grant others that which you, yourself, seem to do daily. nt.

[NuclearDem]

20. Alright, just so we're clear.

There's no such thing as a nonhateful MRA. The entire movement is based on hate.

The majority of feminism is not hateful. The appeal to the most extreme parts to label the entire movement is a stupid strawman erected by--shockingly--MRAs.

All MRAs blame women. Feminists blame patriarchy, which is the enemy of both women and men.

Tough that you can't distinguish between men and patriarchy.

[polly7]

25. Oh, I can distinguish the difference very well, thank you.

Did you know many very powerful, wealthy women are also deeply invested in seeing a patriarchal capitalistic society that can, and has affected everyone under it, continue? Sort of like how powerful womens' groups in Britain during World War 1 protested FOR the war that would send millions of their countrymen to fight and die?

The majority of men fighting for their rights are not MRA's either. Trying to make them appear to be though, is disgusting.

[thucythucy]

34. Curious about this World War I thing.

Where did you first hear about that?

I ask because it keeps getting brought up in this context, much like the woman who shot Andy Warhol. It's like these two bits of history are the "go to" whenever "men's rights" comes up.

As in "sure, 99% of all the political power in the world in 1914 was held by men, and it was the male dominated governments of Germany, Russia, France, Britain, Italy, Austria, and the Ottoman Empire (and eventually the US) that actually declared war--in an era when women didn't even have the right to vote--and it was men who owned most if not all the media calling for war, and men who passed the laws conscripting soldiers to fight, and men who enforced those laws, and men who did maybe 99.99% of the actual killing.... but did you know some WOMEN supported the war too? Those g-d feminists, at it again!"

So where did you first hear about it--all these women's groups who supported WWI?

[treestar]

27. No one knows who is going to snap

Men can be victims of domestic violence, and it is illegal for a woman to assault a man. If he can get over himself to report it, it will not be laughed at.

Men who commit domestic violence often make that claim, so we have to look at both sides. No parent can lose the right to visitation without extreme conditions in which case a case has been made against them.

What story is that third paragraph? It is not even proven. Are you claiming men are arrested without probable cause and jailed without trial on the mere word of some woman? Hardly.

Men have equal rights before the courts in all of these scenarios. Sometimes they win even if they are the abuser. They are not treated unjustly as a class.

[polly7]

29. Re the third paragraph ....

YES. That is exactly! what I am claiming. For you to doubt it is beyond disingenuous, and you know it.

Tell the men who've lost child custody battles (and I can think of two, right-offhand among my own friends) because of lies presented in court. You must be living in some type of utopia if you haven't seen, or read of these things happening.

[treestar]

31. Why should they always win?

Men do not seek custody all of the time. In the cases, where they do, they win more than they lose.

Every person who "loses" a custody battle (and that may mean they did not get everything they wanted) claims family court was unjust. People in these situations mistake justice for what they want. They want the court to validate their feelings, not decide what is in the best interests of their child.

I have seen these things happen. Many people let divorce bring out the worst in them. Merely because they say it was unfair does not mean it was. It means they didn't get it the way they wanted and nobody put their ex in the stocks. They expect the judge to punish the ex, and mistake that for the neutral, just result.

[polly7]

32. WHO said 'anyone' should always win???

Not I!!!

Jesus.

[treestar]

33. There are men who think that if they want custody, they should get it

They often do. But if they don't, they vent that family court wasn't fair.

There are those who treat child support as if it's somehow unfair. That they have to pay it makes them resentful. Somehow they think they should not have to pay it or should control the amount of it themselves.

My point was the injustices often quoted from family courts should be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Someone saying they got the shaft from family court is not being objective.

Women complain too - not enough child support (though it is calculated) - too much visitation - they think it should be cut off, say if their husband cheated on him, they think it should be conditioned on his not having the other woman along - or they have to pay child support and have the same problems and think it wasn't fair their husband got custody if that happened.

Family court is generally quite fair. It's the people not getting what they want that leads to the rantings and ravings of injustice.

[riqster]

30. This:

"They are not treated unjustly as a class.
"

That is the key. When the dominant class tries to play the victim card, the smell of fertilizer is overwhelming.

[RobertEarl]

4. That is bigotry

You are lumping together and slandering any man who may feel he wants to join a right's group. I thought DU did away with such posts.

It's like saying all ""__________"" are bad.

We can say it about republicans, but that's it.

[riqster]

7. Nonsense.

MRAs are hate groups, and men who join them are joining hate groups.

There are lots of other support sources for men in difficult situations, and I think they are awesome. But groups that bash women are NOT groups that help men.

[RobertEarl]

12. And you hate them?

I've known lots of men, and none of them hated women. Problems with them? Duh.

There are reasons why some men would want to join with a group of men to discuss how to ensure the justice system does not mess with their rights. What you are running around doing is what used to be done to the NAACP.

It is bigotry.

[NuclearDem]

15. Oh my God, really?

[riqster]

21. Crap.

MRA groups are like the Klan, not the NAACP. Your equivalence is false.


People who want to ensure they receive justice do NOT join the Klan.

[RobertEarl]

23. So... all men who even think about men's rights are like KKK?

Keep digging.

[riqster]

24. Willful misinterpretation at its worst.

No, I said "MRAs". News flash: they are not the only way for men to advocate for their rights.

[treestar]

28. We've been fighting to get the justice system to treat women equally

And more or less succeeded.

It is a lie to say there is any law discriminating against men. The only one that could be said to be so is the one where they have to register for the draft and women don't. But on the other hand, women fight for equality in the military. They want to be in the military or have an equal shot at it, so the draft wouldn't be a big issue.

[NuclearDem]

8. They have nothing at all to do with rights.

Just hate.

[Squinch]

26. You can say all " " are bad of some groups. Nazis and MRA's come to mind. The only real

difference between them are their target groups and their level of success in spreading their hatred.