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Fri May 30, 2014, 11:44 AM

 

"Man Up". Can we get rid of that phrase?

I doubt that I've used it in decades, it's nasty on so many levels. I think we can give that one a rest.

Frankly, given all of the hullabaloo over misogynism on DU of late, I'm surprised that I haven't seen a slew of posts on that phrase being used by a public official, but maybe it's not as offensive to others as I'm thinking?

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Reply "Man Up". Can we get rid of that phrase? (Original post)
MannyGoldstein May 2014 OP
Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #1
AngryAmish May 2014 #25
MannyGoldstein May 2014 #32
sabrina 1 May 2014 #35
Bonhomme Richard May 2014 #2
Lee-Lee May 2014 #3
MannyGoldstein May 2014 #4
sabrina 1 May 2014 #37
MannyGoldstein May 2014 #70
quinnox May 2014 #5
randome May 2014 #9
quinnox May 2014 #14
NuclearDem May 2014 #19
redqueen May 2014 #29
laundry_queen May 2014 #71
Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #30
zeemike May 2014 #49
G_j May 2014 #17
randome May 2014 #21
sabrina 1 May 2014 #39
randome May 2014 #48
sabrina 1 May 2014 #51
randome May 2014 #58
sabrina 1 May 2014 #68
Louisiana1976 May 2014 #57
thucythucy May 2014 #82
kath May 2014 #47
Louisiana1976 May 2014 #60
TheFrenchRazor May 2014 #78
Laelth May 2014 #6
redqueen May 2014 #7
RobertEarl May 2014 #8
hunter May 2014 #28
BrotherIvan May 2014 #31
redqueen May 2014 #34
BrotherIvan May 2014 #36
RobertEarl May 2014 #84
NuclearDem May 2014 #43
tularetom May 2014 #10
TexasTowelie May 2014 #22
OnyxCollie May 2014 #11
quinnox May 2014 #13
BrotherIvan May 2014 #33
NuclearDem May 2014 #12
JVS May 2014 #15
hunter May 2014 #16
Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #67
trotsky May 2014 #18
bemildred May 2014 #20
Jamastiene May 2014 #73
Warren DeMontague May 2014 #77
Jamastiene May 2014 #80
Warren DeMontague May 2014 #81
bemildred May 2014 #79
TorchTheWitch May 2014 #23
Orsino May 2014 #24
NV Whino May 2014 #26
JustAnotherGen May 2014 #27
JaneyVee May 2014 #38
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bluedigger May 2014 #41
840high May 2014 #42
jtuck004 May 2014 #44
kath May 2014 #50
Garion_55 May 2014 #45
Sheepshank May 2014 #46
DrewFlorida May 2014 #52
Jamastiene May 2014 #74
Jim Lane May 2014 #85
Enthusiast May 2014 #53
boston bean May 2014 #54
Louisiana1976 May 2014 #55
Liberal Veteran May 2014 #59
Louisiana1976 May 2014 #64
Spirochete May 2014 #56
The_Commonist May 2014 #61
kath May 2014 #66
wyldwolf May 2014 #62
War Horse May 2014 #63
theaocp May 2014 #65
Jamastiene May 2014 #75
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:48 AM

1. I'm gonna go with "Manny up."

 

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #1)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:52 PM

25. Manny being Manny...

 

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #1)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:23 PM

32. "Snowden should Manny up"

 

I like the sound of that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #32)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:29 PM

35. Lol, me too! n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:50 AM

2. I agree with you on a lot of stuff but not this.

So quit whining, grow some balls, and man up.


I couldn't resist.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:50 AM

3. Are you kidding

 

There was a long thread yesterday defending it and claiming it was even remotely sexist.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #3)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:52 AM

4. Just found it, thanks.

 

Not sexist? Wow.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:33 PM

37. Well, that's good news, isn't it? Just think, you can now, without fear of being attacked,

called a 'sexist MRA troll' etc. use that phrase freely. I was actually glad to know we are not so overwrought about words as I thought we were. Or is it a case of WHO uses it?? That would be disappointing. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but when I realized the expected 'that's a sexist phrase' threads weren't appearing, I breathed a sigh of relief! Lol!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #37)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:06 PM

70. It would certainly be nice if people didn't get so keyed up over the occasional word

 

that's not to their satisfaction.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:55 AM

5. A rare disagreement from me as well. It's a fine, well established phrase, and everyone knows

 

what it means. No reason to ban/censor it.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #5)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:59 AM

9. Agree.

 

Just as the word 'actress' has almost ceased to exist, 'man up' can refer to both men and women, IMO. A lot of the gender-specific nouns are going away.
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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:09 PM

14. Yep, it can be used with men or women. It has become a neutral term

 

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Response to quinnox (Reply #14)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:22 PM

19. Except it really hasn't.

 

It reinforces the idea that victimhood and suffering are inherently feminine, and that the opposite is to "man up", "sack up", or "be a man"; strength being inherently masculine in this case.

Even if you don't want to make it about misogyny, consider how, as some posters have brought up recently, it affects men who suffer. Women are allowed to--again, victimhood being inherently feminine--but men aren't, otherwise they fail as a man.

It's not neutral. If it appears so, it's because it has been unfortunately ingrained as an acceptable phrase.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #19)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:10 PM

29. Very well said. It is one way men are conditioned to feign invulnerability.

It is often used to get them to stop displaying any emotion which denotes vulnerability or weakness.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #29)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:15 PM

71. +1 nt

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #19)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:20 PM

30. +1 nt

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Response to quinnox (Reply #14)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:12 PM

49. So are other words...like the "C" word

But that is forbidden to even type out here.
And then there is the "B" word...it even refers to life in general...Life's a B
I have even heard people suggest the word girls is an insult to women.
So there is all kinds of rationalizations going on to hide the fact that outrage is selective and IMO silly as hell.

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Response to randome (Reply #9)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:14 PM

17. So how would you feel if someone told you

to "man up"?

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Response to G_j (Reply #17)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:31 PM

21. Well, since it is impossible to make me feel insulted or bad about names or phrases...

 

...it wouldn't mean much to me. If someone is being belligerent toward me, that's their problem but no one can make me feel 'bad' or 'inadequate' or whatever simply by saying something.

I would consider the context. Maybe I would come to the conclusion that I was being timid in something. Or I might dismiss the other person as uncouth and unknowledgeable.
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Response to randome (Reply #21)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:38 PM

39. I don't care about these things either, but we have been exposed to extreme outrage over such

terminology. Until now. So some of us are wondering if the outrage is selective since in this case, amazingly, there appears to be a noticeable silence.

I was expecting dozens of threads demanding an apology, and demanding that 'woman up' substitute for what generally has been viewed by some here, as a 'sexist' attack on women! Lol, but SILENCE! I have to say I am breathing a sigh of relief, but wondering WHY?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #39)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:10 PM

48. Well, I haven't been outraged at some of the 'hot topics' on DU of late.

 

It's time we dropped all gender-specific pronouns. Mankind refers to everyone so therefore everyone is a man. Doctor, astronaut, actor, bus driver, no one cares about gender then.

I sometimes listen to old-time radio shows on my iPod. On The Adventures of Superman from the 40's the narrator routinely refers to Lois Lane as 'girl reporter'.

Societal evolution is slow but attitudes and language will change.
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Response to randome (Reply #48)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:14 PM

51. I wasn't referring to you. I'm fine and always have been, with the language and have argued FOR

the word 'actress' since I like having my very own words to describe women. I have been attacked and called, at one time a rather hilarious 'descendent of the enemies of women' among other things, due to not caring about the topic.

But today, there is a notable lack of outrage over what would normally produce dozens of threads on the subject. As I said, we are wondering why?

Try starting a thread telling a public figure to 'man up' a few months from now. Lol!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #51)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:28 PM

58. I know you weren't referring to me.

 

I just wanted to jump at one of the few chances when we pretty much agree on something!
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Response to randome (Reply #58)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:51 PM

68. Oh okay! It is a memorable moment, so can't blame you for jumping on it!

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Response to G_j (Reply #17)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:27 PM

57. I would correct them by saying "person up."

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Response to Louisiana1976 (Reply #57)

Fri May 30, 2014, 06:18 PM

82. How about "grow up"? nt.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #5)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:09 PM

47. What about using the word "pussy" as a pejorative, as in"ya bunch of pussies"? it's a "fine well-

Established phrase" as well, no?
I saw it used here at DU within the past day or two, but it was late at night and I was too tired to comment or alert on it. Still, highly inappropriate for DU, IMO.

On edit -language DOES matter. As someone posted below, the language we hear used influences our thoughts.

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Response to kath (Reply #47)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:32 PM

60. I also feel it's highly inappropriate.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #5)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:59 PM

78. right, like "that's so gay." lighten up everybody. (sarcasm). nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:57 AM

6. You won't get rid of that sentiment, even if you get rid of the phrase.

Many people here (and elsewhere) use that as their default response to just about any complaint.

"Something bugging you? Man up and deal with it!"



-Laelth

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:58 AM

7. I agree. Language influences our thoughts. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:59 AM

8. Don't be a Momma's boy

 

Is a better candidate.

Man up is for men only, not boys. Men have done well by manning up.

There is nothing wrong about being a man. Don't listen to those who say otherwise.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #8)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:53 PM

28. My momma could kick your ass, RobertEarl.

Any of the women and girls in our family could too.

Have you ever seen a twelve year old girl bossing around an ornery horse? I have. Or young women playing Olympic class soccer and field hockey?

I find the phrase "Man up" offensive, and "Don't be a Momma's boy" even more offensive because it's used by most people as a slur against homosexuals.

Maybe I'm fortunate to have grown up in a family of strong women. My kids, my nieces, and my nephews are fortunate too.

"Momma's Boy?" Sure, bring it on.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #8)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:22 PM

31. That assumes we all agree on what it means to be a "man"

Unfortunately, that couldn't be further from the truth. Our modern definition of a man is so far off of reality it's whacked out all of the social world. Sadly, we have exported it to the rest of the world as well.

Maybe that's what we should talk about: what it means to be a man. None of my friends knows what that means anymore. They assume it means making lots of money, laying lots of women, and abs. Some dudes think it's the John Wayne cowboy, or roided up Rambo--a guy with a gun. It used to literally be "battle tested" but we don't have that any more for most men.

So really, what does it mean?

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #31)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:27 PM

34. In the context of imploring someone to be one, it is meaningless.

You could implore someone to be strong. To be brave. To be calm.

But tying those characteristics to a sex is just stupid. And destructive. We are all human.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #34)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:31 PM

36. Yes

That's the trouble. We assume all these "male" characteristics and it puts men is a unlivable box too. Our gender definitions are a huge part of the problem.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #36)

Fri May 30, 2014, 07:05 PM

84. What does it mean to be a man?

 

Really? We have to start at the beginning? Well, ok.

It means you treat others with respect and don't go around acting like everyone has to do things to make you feel better. That you make your own course no matter what anyone else says. But you do it with respect of others and allow them to make their own course, too.

It means tackling the hard physical jobs that you are built for. It means protecting the weaker people who can use your strength to help them overcome.

It means treating others fairly and not using your strength to take advantage of those not as fortunate.



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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #8)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:04 PM

43. No, there's nothing wrong with being a man. That's a ridiculous strawman.

 

The problem lies with tying strength and invulnerability to men as a gender, and subsequently shaming men who stray from that role through a healthy display of emotion.

Men who have been told to "man up" have also bottled up their emotions, turned to alcoholism, and eventually lashed out violently against family and friends when they couldn't "man up" any further.

"Momma's boy" is just as bad, and might be even worse, because it links a man to the inherent femininity of their mother rather than the masculinity of their father. In fact, it's a borderline homophobic slur.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:03 PM

10. It isn't offensive unless it's addressed to a woman

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Response to tularetom (Reply #10)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:45 PM

22. In complete disagreement with you about it.

My brother uses it in a derogatory tone with me and it is particularly offensive.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:04 PM

11. It appeals to the non-rational mass public.

 

The mass public doesn't understand the law, but they do understand work and home life. By saying, "Man up" it creates the impression that Snowden is weak, cowardly, etc.

It's a lot easier (and more effective) than trying to defend the mass surveillance by discussing the laws.

Kerry should have done this in 2004 against Bush.

It's better than saying, "Grow a pair."

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #11)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:08 PM

13. lol, you read my mind. I hate the phrase "grow a pair"

 

I still wouldn't ever censor it (or anything else, for that matter), but personally I think that phrase sounds lame.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #11)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:26 PM

33. I've been wondering what the point was of Kerry doing a press tour

calling Snowden a traitor and a coward, whipping up the crowd, or the mob so to speak. Putting it in simple, buzz words. WTF is going on here? What do they hope to achieve? Why do they want to hang him so high?

I honestly didn't 100% believe all the revelations until all the high-powered actors began addressing it. The fact that they didn't brush it off and instead turned to "TRAITOR!!!" meant something big was happening. They gave him all the cred he needed.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:05 PM

12. Agree. It's a stupid sexist phrase.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:10 PM

15. Anyone who uses it is a stupid putz.

Mostly because the exhortation to "man up" is nearly always adjoined to a course of action as stupid as french kissing an electrical socket.

I'm a man, and if you think your opinion of my masculinity is important enough to me that I'm going to let you tell me what to do, then you're unbelievably stupid.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:13 PM

16. Am I "manning up" if I punch someone in the face for using that phrase?

That might be fun; a good way to satisfy my natural testosterone driven urges.

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Response to hunter (Reply #16)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:47 PM

67. No. You are creating a "Man Down" situation.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:14 PM

18. There are a ton of them.

"Man up," "be a man," "act like a man," etc. Time to discard them.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:25 PM

20. How about: "Where's your balls, Boy?" nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #20)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:20 PM

73. It kills me that having balls is associated with any kind of strength or toughness,

because balls are weak. Kick a man there and see how having balls is not all that tough.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #73)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:43 PM

77. That's right. Just try slamming them in a utiltity drawer by accident some time, while you're in the

garage looking for your belt sander and your lava soap.

Not so manly now, huh Brawndo?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #77)

Fri May 30, 2014, 04:51 PM

80. That's what I mean.

Balls are probably the weakest of all external body parts for a guy. Why would somebody tell a guy to grow some weakness if they mean be tougher?

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #80)

Fri May 30, 2014, 05:00 PM

81. Indeed. If I was designing the English language from scratch, I would make significant changes.

It's on my to-do list.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #73)

Fri May 30, 2014, 04:47 PM

79. It is ridiculous.

It has been a long time since anybody has had the "balls" to say that to me, but back in the day it aroused the feeling that i was dealing with a high-grade moron whom I would do well to stay far away from so as to not be around when something happened to them.

it is an attempt to drag you down to their level, testosterone fueled violence, where they feel more comfortable, and it tells you they are not your friends.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:48 PM

23. I never liked it either

Besides the fact that it just sounds so stupid and juvenile.

Congratulating someone for having "balls" irritates me even more though especially when the person being congratulated for having them doesn't biologically. Right up there with telling someone to "grow a pair" again particularly a woman and especially when she has a "pair" so significantly larger than his "pair" they need to be held up with a bra. How is it that people don't see how ridiculous they sound using these phrases?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:50 PM

24. Please. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:53 PM

26. Strange request for someone called Manny

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 12:53 PM

27. Nope

And I tell my female peers to 'woman up' and grab their ovaries back when they are with a controlling type of man or negotiating their salary. Nope - not gonna do it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:35 PM

38. I have no problem with it, and I'm female.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:44 PM

40. I'm reminded of manhole covers being classed a politically incorrect

20 odd years ago in the UK. For a short time they were referred to as personhole covers after that common sense prevailed.

At this rate Germany may soon have a problem and Manchester United ceasing to known as Man U.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:44 PM

41. Is "cowboy up" still okay?

Or does that offend juvenile females, cattle, and Native Americans?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:02 PM

42. Yes.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:04 PM

44. But how will we teach men to be cannon fodder? We are just now getting around to including the women

 

in that group, and here you go with all these crazy ideas...

If we don't use phrases like that, they might start listening to their better voices and find out that's not what being tough is.

And then where would we be?

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #44)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:12 PM

50. Good one.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:06 PM

45. I prefer 'Chick up'

the strongest people I have known have been women.

my mom still scolds me for using 'chick' though lol

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:08 PM

46. there was a long assed thread on the matter....

 

completely supporting the use of the term.

I personally don't use it, so no big loss from my vocabulary...can't control others, however.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:15 PM

52. I completely agree, "Man-up" suggests that men should not allow themselves to have feelings....

it suggests men should not be connected to their humanity, they should just be tough machine-like doers. It is one of many terms used by society, which helps to perpetuate many of the problems we see with men behaving badly in society. It is used by men and women alike, by mothers and fathers, sons and daughters and is a cancer in a tolerant, compassionate, empathic society. I know it seems like innocent little unimportant phrase, but it is a phrase which supports and teaches men to be something other fully operating human beings!

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Response to DrewFlorida (Reply #52)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:31 PM

74. Good answer, actually.

How about if we all just act like human beings and quit telling each other to anything "up?"

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #74)

Sat May 31, 2014, 01:51 AM

85. I don't say "man up" but I refuse to give up "lighten up".

 

"Grow up" would often be appropriate but I seldom say it because the times it would be appropriate are the times that saying it would do no good.

My bottom line is that I'm not willing to go along with you and "quit telling each other to anything 'up?'"

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:21 PM

53. K&R, Manny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:22 PM

54. I don't like the phrase.

It re-enforces the patriarchy. It means one is acting like a woman, ie a bad thing.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:23 PM

55. I agree. It should be replaced with "person up." "Man up" is noninclusive of women.

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Response to Louisiana1976 (Reply #55)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:29 PM

59. How about "suck it up"?

Means the same thing, colloquially, but doesn't have any gender specific connotation.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #59)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:39 PM

64. That's better.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:24 PM

56. I've never used it myself

it always sounded kind of dumb to me.

Don't care if someone else does, though.

Besides, banning phrases will always go too far, and next thing we know, people falling off boats will drown, because everyone is afraid to say "man overboard".

Oops, almost 12:30. I'm late for my medication...


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:33 PM

61. I think we should just get rid of the entire English language altogether.

And may just all languages. And all communication, for that matter.
There's just no way to say anything anymore without offending someone, somewhere, for some reason or other.


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Response to The_Commonist (Reply #61)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:47 PM

66. brilliant post. Adds a lot to the thread.

NOT.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:36 PM

62. For us Southern DUers - how about hiccup?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:37 PM

63. I get where you're coming from

I've found it to be a pretty powerful phrase the few times I've used it. Maybe four or five times in my life. It can be pretty forceful in the right situation, coming from someone you'd never expect to hear it from.

Still, it's obviously part of an all too pervasive pattern.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:40 PM

65. Carlin has some great thoughts on language

Skip to 7:30, since the imbed didn't start there. I don't know how to do that because age.

?t=7m30s

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Response to theaocp (Reply #65)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:38 PM

75. Not age, I don't think.

It looks like the actual start time of the link you posted should be 7:30, but the formatting on DU left that off.

I'm usually pretty good at that stuff, but can't figure it out either, not here on DU. I should probably take the time to go read in the Videos section how to do that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 02:57 PM

69. Appeals to Manliness Generally Rate Below Appeals to Patriotism

in the scoundrel factor department.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:17 PM

72. "Grow up" is much better and can be applied to anyone

without being any kind of slur.

I don't like "man up" either, but while we are still having the gender wars here on DU, I might as well mention something I have noticed:

Actually, if you really stop and think about it, women are really tougher. We go through being sick and still going to work and getting things done while suffering through it, getting substandard care and not being listened to by doctors and are given very little medication for pain in most cases, give birth and usually with no pain meds there either, put up with menstruation every month for decades with insults like Pamprin and Midol as the medicines we are supposed to take for relief (if men had to menstruate, it would be monthly morphine drips for 5 to 7 days), can be kicked in between the legs without doubling over like we've been destroyed for life, take beatings routinely from men and still keep right on going, etc. The list really goes on and on.

Why men are considered the tougher sex is beyond me. Stronger in some cases, maybe, but what do most do with extra strength? Men become bedridden with a common cold and whimper like they are in the worst agony of their lives and couldn't even take simulated labor pains when a mere two of them were brave enough to even try it.

It should be "woman up" if they mean get tougher.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:40 PM

76. Here's a video on the subject

My wife happened to forward it to me a few weeks ago:

http://m.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 06:21 PM

83. the torture of Chelsea Manning makes it more ominous

Introducing taunts against his manliness into the discussion of Snowden reminds me of that

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