Trayvon Martin: Enhanced Zimmerman video shows possible head wound

[Baitball Blogger]

Maybe we should ask Zimmerman's ex girlfriend if that's an old scar?

A newly enhanced version of police video taken on the night of the Trayvon Martinshooting more clearly shows a possible gash or injury on the back of shooter George Zimmerman's head.

ABC News debuted the new video today. In it, an apparent wound of some type can be seen on Zimmerman's head when he turns away from the camera.

The video is an enhanced version of surveillance tape released by the Sanford Police Department last week. It shows Zimmerman being taken into SPD headquarters after the shooting.

Zimmerman was seen by paramedics after the shooting, officials have said, and was released without being arrested that night after he was interviewed by detectives.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-video-zimmerman-enhanced-20120402_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-shooting-original-video

[HooptieWagon]

1. If he had a head wound

Why wouldnt it have been bandaged?

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Yup.

Especially if it was bleeding.

[-..__...]

11. Depends on how profusely the patient is bleeding.

Head wounds, cuts to the scalp typically don't result in a lot of bleeding.

Usual procedure that we use is to simply apply a few 4"x4" gauze pads to the wound, and have the patient hold it in place themselves.

[Horse with no Name]

14. Umm I have to disagree

Head wounds DO bleed profusely. The entire head is very vascular.

http://firstaid.webmd.com/tc/how-to-stop-bleeding-from-a-minor-head-wound-topic-overview
>>>snip
Minor cuts on the head often bleed heavily because the face and scalp have many blood vessels close to the surface of the skin. Although this amount of bleeding may be alarming, many times the injury is not severe and the bleeding will stop with treatment you can do at home. But it is important to know the difference between wounds you can treat at home and head wounds that need emergency treatment.

[HockeyMom]

34. I have been First Aid Certified for decades

I agree with you. Besides which, any wound should be disinfected and bandaged to prevent infection.

[sarge43]

44. Husband was a paramedic. I was an EMT.

If a scalp laceration is deeper than the sub cutis, it bleeds -- a lot.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. I have a bald head ...

And shave it just about daily. When I first started I got the occasional cut ... and they bled ... alot.

[dionysus]

94. even a razor nick pours. worst place for one? ear lobe...

[Horse with no Name]

45. Agreed

and possibly a Tetanus shot. I've been a nurse for over 20 yrs and this entire fabrication was brought to light when that video hit. IF you are lucky enough to survive a hit to the nose/broken nose without any blood---and then also survive a skull bashed into concrete without any blood. IF nothing else, you should be checked for a bleeding disorder. BUT the correct and proper procedure would have been for the police to have him taken to the ER, evaluated and treated and then brought to the station. The possibility of a subdural hematoma was a possibility if the truth was being told or even a coup-contracoup head innjury. There were many reasons for the police to take this man to the hospital...yet none of it was done. And the very simple reason is...because it is a lie.

[HockeyMom]

67. Absolutely

With heat severe head trauma they could be bleeding internally. Stroke risk. Yet, he never went to the hospital? He said he went the next day. If he wasn't lying about that, there will be hospital records.

[Gibby]

53. "Fer sure." - Massive Head Wound Harry

[FarPoint]

17. Excuse me but scalp wounds bleed profusely.

That's why people freak out. Trauma is minimal but bleeding abundant.

[CAPHAVOC]

30. When I cut myself shaving it bleeds profusely til it clots.

ABC blew it and everyone bought it.

[ingac70]

18. Cuts to the head bleed like crazy, even minor ones. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

20. "Minor cuts on the head often bleed heavily because the face and scalp have many blood vessels"

See post #14.

Your thoughts......

[hobbit709]

21. Every time I managed to get a cut on my head I bled like a stuck pig.

You wouldn't think a half inch long cut would bleed like that. The hand towel I was using was pretty red by the time it stopped.

[HooptieWagon]

26. Head wounds bleed profusly

And he hardly could have held a bandage in place while cuffed. It would have been taped in place. Or he would have been transported to the hospital.

[jpak]

35. Bullshit - every time I have had a scalp wound, I bled like a stuck pig

all over my clothes.

Fail

yup

[snagglepuss]

38. Given that he was cuffed, haviing him hold gauze in place would have been impossible.

[Cali_Democrat]

56. Zimmerman is either super human or a modern day Harry Houdini or maybe both.

Not only does he barely bleed when his nose is broken and his head is bashed repeatedly into the concrete again and again, he can also hold bandages on his head with his hands behind him as he's handcuffed in the back of a police car!

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. No tape in your world? n/t

[uppityperson]

63. Invisible bandage and tape? Huh, who'd'a guessed. No tape or bandage on his head

in the video.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. My point was ...

If there had been a wound requiring a bandage, the fact that zimmerman was handcuffed with his hands behind his back would not have stopped them from dressing the wound.

[uppityperson]

79. Ignoring the fact that there was no bandage visible in the video. Gotcha.

[uppityperson]

39. As all the others have said, head wounds typically bleed a lot. And, since his hands were

cuffed, how could he hold anything to his head? It is true that his claimed injury was about half an hour before the video, and it could have stopped in that time, but why is there no blood on him? It seems odd to me that he could get punched in the nose, have his head bashed on concrete repeatedly, shoot Trayvon from close enough to feel endangered, yet have no blood on his clothing.

[JDPriestly]

58. There may have been blood on the front of his jacket,

but we don't know whether it would have been Trayvon's or Zimmerman's blood.

A broken nose usually requires a lot to stop the bleeding.

[Happyhippychick]

42. Not so. Head wounds are some of the bloodiest.

[uponit7771]

51. There's little fact in this statement

[JDPriestly]

57. Wait for the medical report.

It does not make any difference in my view. Even Zimmerman's father admits that Zimmerman was following Trayvon and trying to get an address for the police -- after the police officer on the phone told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon.

Trayvon had the right to stand and defend himself. Zimmerman was the aggressor and did not. Zimmerman must have frightened Trayvon very much. Trayvon is the one who had the right to defend himself.

Once he called the police, Zimmerman should have just patiently waited.

There is no knowing whether Zimmerman initiated a fight with Trayvon or the other way around. There is no way of knowing whether Zimmerman slipped in the rain or whether he was hit and fell down. You have to have a trial to look at the forensic evidence -- all of it including Trayvon's injuries -- to know.

[LanternWaste]

62. What precisely is the peer-reviewed source for that assertion?

"Head wounds, cuts to the scalp typically don't result in a lot of bleeding. .."

What precisely is the peer-reviewed source for that assertion?

[Ikonoklast]

75. Do you actually believe any of what you post?

And do you actually think anyone else here believes it?


"Head wounds, cuts to the scalp typically don't result in a lot of bleeding."

Yes, if the patient is already DEAD.

The blood stops getting pumped out of the body by the non-beating heart.

[dionysus]

93. however, removing the kalishnikitty avatar makes it more convincing!

[magical thyme]

81. um, tell that one to my scalp

I was hit in the head with a falling icicle winter before last. Shocked at the volume of blood that poured down my face and matted my hair.

[dionysus]

92. reall? i nick my head shaving and it's a bloodbath...

[Cali_Democrat]

96. Care to respond?

[LynneSin]

66. wouldn't there be blood?

Just saying

[Politicalboi]

2. Still doesn't matter

Zimmerman could have got that head injury while chasing Trayvon. Or he could have got it from another person he bullied at an earlier time. Where's the evidence on Trayvon's hands that make this evidence true? There should be skin or hair, sweat, from Zimmerman on Trayvon's hand or hands.

If there is a wound, Zimmerman could have gotten that from getting out of his truck by hitting his head on the inside door frame. He was in a hurry to get out, so he may have hit his head prior to catching up with Trayvon.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. It wouldn't be difficult to determine if that mark was an old head wound.

It sounds like George Z. was not above getting into physical altercations.

[Politicalboi]

9. I guess in a normal investigation it wouldn't be hard

But what did these cops collect? I hope they collected DNA from Trayvon's hands.

[Ecumenist]

12. You said it before I got a chance to I don't believe for one minute that a deep scratch equals

having his head beaten into the concrete.

[CAPHAVOC]

33. I banged my head direct on the concrete once when I fell. It never bled at all.

But later I had a big bump on it. And it was sore as heck. When I broke my nose...5 times. I always got a black eye the next day.

[Ecumenist]

37. ONCE, CAPHAVOC not had your head BEATEN over and over into a concrete sidewalk..BIG

DIFFERENCE!

[uppityperson]

40. I know why Zimmy's head didn't bleed. Because Trayvon was strangling him, cutting off blood flow

to his head. See? Simple. I'm series!!!111

[Ecumenist]

43. LOL!! Oh yeah, I fogot about that little problem. See, he grabbed his gun, pulled knife on him

pulled his nails out, Waterboarded him, and strangled him. He ate his ho-ho too.

[Horse with no Name]

70. Bumping your head and having your skull bashed into the concrete

are two very distinct and different things.

The easy explanation...when you fall and your head hits, there is going to be a natural "bounce" or resistance to break the fall. The head hitting is force...against breaking force. There is generally just ONE bounce.

When someone is bashing your head there is no resistance allowed. Your head is meeting force against force...multiple times without a bounce.

Big difference...not even comparable.

[CAPHAVOC]

71. OK so what do you think.

He had no injuries to his head and nose? or He had injuries to his head and nose. I think it is either or. I think he had injuries. Because I think there was a fight.

[Horse with no Name]

72. I think Zimmerman is full of shit.

If there was ANY scuffle, it was when he was putting Trayvon on the ground...the man on the tape was NOT injured--neither his head nor his nose. There was no blood. And there was no fight.
Zimmerman attacked Trayvon.Plain and simple. If he scratched himself in doing so...oh well--but there was NOT a fight. The funeral director said Trayvon had NO injuries to his hands. You don't beat someone and not take injuries to your hands.

This story is a simply that...a story. Trying to force the facts to fit an explanation. It's not working--oh the people who froth at the ass for guns and violence and vigilantism eat this up...but at the end of the day, this is doing nothing but shining a light on a big bully attacked a young kid and is trying to get away with it because of who is Daddy is.

[Horse with no Name]

73. I notice in your profile information that you say that you do work for "The Innocence Movement"

What exactly is that organization and what do they do?

[uppityperson]

76. Interesting, I found this.

http://bearingfalsewitness.blogspot.com/2009/05/innocence-movement-platform-three-rs.html

An Innocence Movement Platform – the Three ‘R’s: Raise, Resolve, and Remedy
Modern science and technology have shaken the strong faith many once placed in the accuracy of judgments made by our criminal justice system. Thanks to DNA analysis of biological evidence, hundreds of convicts have been exonerated—many after spending years on death row. Those who value justice, who demand that the criminal justice system apply the lessons learned from the many cases of wrongful conviction, support policy initiatives that:

Raise the accuracy rate in judgments of guilt and innocence.
Resolve credible post-conviction claims of innocence.
Remedy the tragic impact of wrongful convictions



Raise the accuracy rate

The Innocence Project has analyzed exonerations to reveal a broad collection of factors that contribute to the likelihood of wrongful convictions. Among them are:

Eyewitness Misidentification
Unvalidated or Improper Forensic Science
False Confessions / Admissions
Government Misconduct
Informants or Snitches
Bad Lawyering

[Horse with no Name]

77. Yep. Well acquainted with The Innocent Project

and how very meticulous they are before throwing their support behind ANYONE...

I find it difficult to believe that someone who is part of that movement, would be casually throwing the benefit of doubt behind someone who is clearly involved in the crime...at this point, the extent is pure speculation and unproven.

[CAPHAVOC]

89. I doubt you would ever be seated on a jury.

[Horse with no Name]

95. I recently served Federal Jury duty. Next supposition? n/t

[CAPHAVOC]

90. Strange

I a previous response you ask what What the Innocence Movement is. But here you say that you are well acquainted with it. Very strange. Are you possibly a Trojan Horse?

[CAPHAVOC]

86. I don't work for them.

I am studying to become a paralegal to help open an innocence clinic in Tampa in 2014. It will be similar and maybe assist some of their projects. It is Post Conviction appeals for the wrongfully convicted. A very high percentage are Black. Due to inadequate representation. And faulty forensics presented by professional expert witnesses. You may have heard of "The Innocence Project". They use DNA to prove factual innocence for the wrongfully convicted. Many even on Death Row. These media cases do much damage in my opinion.. The main concern is the possibility of Wrongful Acqiuttal. The Movement is a Nationwide network of Law Schools and Lawyers working to that end.

[sabrina 1]

84. And if there was, it was because Trayvon was in danger and was fighting for his life.

Looks like his fears were correct, he's no longer here. Too bad he didn't bang Zimmerman's head hard enough to knock him out. He would still be alive to give his side of the story.

[Taverner]

28. Very true

It shocks me how many DUers want to carry the water for Zimmernazi.

Just like it shocks me how many people ALWAYS take the cop's side.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. So....

Wasn't he beaten to a bloody pulp as Trayvon annihilated his nose and bashed his head into the concrete again and again? He nearly went brain dead according to his brother. What evidence do we have of this brutal beating? A possible mark from enhanced video.

Zimmerman defenders? Your thoughts please.....

[Vincardog]

5. The "possible head wound" is nothing more than a shadow, If you head was bashed on the ground it

would GUSH blood. There is not blood. This whole story is bull shit.

[Baitball Blogger]

7. This is long from over.

[Vincardog]

23. I smell a coverup by the CIA.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. Here's how this went down:

Murderer, on the phone to his pappy: "Shit shit shit! I think I'm in trouble! I just shot someone that was walking around the neighborhood."

Murderer's pappy: "Quick! Scratch your forehead with something and tell the police he struck you first!"

Murderer: "Do I really have to?"

Murderer's pappy: "You stupid idiot, of course you have to! What, do you want to go to jail for the rest of your life?"

And so on.

[earthside]

10. There is something wrong with that 'enhancement'.

The marks on the back of his head in just that one brief sequence doesn't look like stitched-up gashes.
It looks 'puckered'. Frankly, I think it is just some kind of strobing effect of the camera with his short hair.

Besides, if he had gashes stitched just 30 minutes previously, wouldn't that wound be covered with gauze and tape at the very least?

The only interesting information in that news clip is that a hospital ride for Zimmerman was cancelled. If his head had been bashed into a sidewalk, wouldn't the possibility of concussion have mandated a hospital examination?

[Baitball Blogger]

16. Maybe it's where the cranium fissure didn't fuse properly after birth?

I have a cousin who has a soft spot on top of her head. And, frankly, those marks look too high on the skull. It looks more like he was dropped on his head, than fell backward.

[Ecumenist]

19. Also, there would have been OBVIOUS swelling, distortion AND bruising, (discoloration)...

the fact the the Ambulance was cancelled says something about his so-called head injury. There's NO WAY they would have let him go to the police station without stabilising his neck and sending his ass to some medical outfit, whether it's doctor,dentist or vet . There are serious problem.

[sarge43]

36. Good point about the neck

SOP with head trauma, slap on the neck brace.

[shraby]

25. Those marks are almost on top of his head..poor photoshop. Zimmermann would

have had to almost been standing on his head to get those marks.

[Ecumenist]

49. That's what I was telling someone about yesterday. If he got those "scratches" on TOP of his head,

Trayvon was one bad dude because he had zimmy by the ankles and was banging him into the sidewalk like a human piledriver.

[sarge43]

29. Correct on all counts

It very possibly could be a head laceration, but it appears to be an old one. A gash that deep would not look like that in less than an hour.

Yes, if it's fresh, it should have been bandaged.

Where is the blood? Scalp lacerations bleed like a mother.

Yes, he should have been transported to the nearest ER. You don't hand wave head injuries. First responders have few ways of determining internal injuries. Sure, they can do the eye focus and number of fingers tests. However, this wasn't a triage situation, no quick and dirty and move on to the next vic.

Finally, how was the top of his head bashed on the sidewalk? Martin grab him by the ankles, flip him upside down and pile drive him?

Still doesn't pass the smell test.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Outside scope of practice

for EMS to do that in the field.

Also, having done it at an ER, it takes more than half an hour.

[librechik]

13. that is photoshopped bs

[Junkdrawer]

24. Yep. An honest "enhancement" should be peer-reviewable....

Give us the raw footage and your methodology and we'll peer-review the enhancement.

[LanternWaste]

15. After reading a comprehensive timeline of events at TPM...

After reading a comprehensive timeline of relevant events at Talking Points Memo, I think Zim did indeed receive a head wound-- a wound he received by bumping his head against the door frame of of his vehicle as he hastily exited to chase the victim.

It's happened to me more than once-- getting out of my car in a hurried or excited state, standing up to full height before I've completely pulled my torso out of the car. Hurt like a sun-of-a-gun both times.



http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/trayvon_martin_george_zimmerman_basics.php?ref=fpblg

[Avalux]

22. The facts don't support a head injury, regardless of this new video.

Zimmerman would not have been released by paramedics after the shooting if his injury had been as severe as he and his supporters are claiming. He would have been hospitalized.

Zimmerman claims he shot an unarmed teenager in self defense because he felt his life was in danger. He claims to have sustained serious injuries by Martin to support his claim.

The events after the shooting do not support serious injuries.

[mainer]

27. No bandage. Some head wound.

With EMTs on the scene, you'd think they'd at least give him a piece of gauze.

[leftyohiolib]

31. enhanced meaning photoshopped?

[Jazzgirl]

32. I couldn't care less if GZ had a wound

on his head, forehead, wherever. He still shot that child.

[warrior1]

69. me too

If he had been minding his own business this child wouldn't be dead.

Trayvon was standing his ground against a gun wielding paranoid man. There's no defense for what GZ did, head wound are not.

[grasswire]

41. GLOVES

No gloves on officers just 30 min after a head injury to shooter?

No gloves = no injury.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Head wounds BLEED

his clothes are pristine.

[Hugabear]

47. WHERE IS THE PARAMEDIC REPORT?

If Zimmerman was seen by paramedics, shouldn't there be some sort of record of this?

[opihimoimoi]

74. If he waved them off as not needed....there would not be a report....if he was treated, there should

be a report....complete with his name on it....

[SamG]

50. Any competent EMT or even policeman/detective would know that if

George claimed on the scene that his head had been smashed against concrete, that would immediately trigger medical attention from a Trauma physician at a hospital. Observation for several hours would follow any such injuries, and precautions would have been issued, too. (No driving for a few hours, etc.)

George either did NOT tell police and EMT's that his head had been "bashed repeatedly against the concrete", or the EMT's in Sanford, FL are not competent at their job. I believe the former; most EMT's are well trained and almost always err on the side of caution with dealing with head injuries.

The ONLY un-bandaged head wounds I know of are those a guy gets when he cuts himself shaving.

[Kalidurga]

52. I have a lot of scars...

it takes 10-14 days for them to even start puckering. That Trayvon was something else managing to injure Zimmerman several days to a couple of weeks in advance to that fight.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

54. "Second ambulance cancelled."

Nothing changes that. They can "enhance" the video all they'd like to. And one more detail...Trayvon Martin is still dead. Nothing on the worthless scalp of George Zimmerman, enhanced or otherwise, justifies his putting a bullet in that kid.

[Spazito]

55. It is somewhat bemusing to me that...

even if a fresh scrape is actually found on Zimmerman's head it somehow that means Trayvon attacked him, that it is any proof of anything other than there was a VERY brief scuffle which we do know happened from witnesses that have come forward.

Looking at who has a history of aggressive behavior and who has not, who followed whom, who had the gun and who didn't, it seems to me it is far more likely Zimmerman, the only one in this who does have a prior history of aggression, tackled Trayvon not the other way around.

If there actually is a scrape it obviously was so minor it didn't require even bandaging of any kind nor require any further medical care that night which completely belies his family's claims, imo.

[Justice4allofus]

61. 1) So this big wound required no stiches? 2) Did he lie about the nose wound?

The implications are the two posted in my title.

[ecstatic]

64. I hope it was a wound from Trayvon, but either way, it doesn't matter

People should not be able to stalk and kill people, unprovoked. For the record, I hope Martin got one good hit in before he was killed.

[Blue_Tires]

65. I'm curious why ABC is SO certain it's a wound received that night

And why this may-be, could-be "wound" is worthy of reporting -- Don't they, you know, want to be sure? By talking with the person who treated him that night??

For starters, it's waayyy too near the top of his head for it to be any kind of impact injury, unless he hit the street next to the curb, or something...

There has been so much spin, myth and easily-debunked utter bullshit in the media and online that I don't think any jury convicts Zimmerman...

[SamG]

68. ABC Photo-shopping video to get the racists back!

Heaven help ABC if they lose their racist viewers to Fox News!

Make stuff up, provide no details that include facts, omit the fact that gun-toting G Z chased and hunted down Trayvon and shot him dead and literally walked away!

Nice job, ABC, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KamaAina]

80. If it had to be enhanced to show it,

it couldn't have amounted to much.

If it was even there.

[fascisthunter]

82. LOL

[cr8tvlde]

83. Here's the scoop...

The police cancelled the 2nd ambulance...presumably his as Mr. Martin needed one...ran him by his house to wash up and change clothes...after his brutal beating...didn't think to take him to the hospital for his wounds, but just callously paraded him in front of cameras into the station from the garage ? All of this in, I read, 34 minutes. Not.

Where's the blood? Surely no urgency in the perp walk we say. How can any intelligent person even entertain the scenario with the newly discovered "evidence"?

[rbrnmw]

85. What may have happened

Watch Zimmerman contaminate jacket evidence. Police video in garage, view from front of squad car to back. After cops puts something in trunk and walks away cops take eyes off Zimmerman for split second. Zimmerman quickly takes one step back, leans against wall with his back, puts both feet forward and pushes on wall, scrapes back of head, then cop say come on, and Zimmerman lunges off wall forward leaving mark on back of jacket as if it came from sidewalk. Forensics will show paint from wall instead of concrete from alleged sidewalk. Takes 1 1/2 seconds to do this deliberate move by Zimmerman. No one has noticed this as Zimm is in rt side of video.

[Baitball Blogger]

87. Let's hope someone in authority reads your post.

[killbotfactory]

88. Bullshit. nt

[dionysus]

91. if you have to "enhance" the fucking video to see it, the wound aint shit.

and even IF trayvon beat the shit out of him for following him around like a creep, which i doubt, it STILL gives no justification for cold blooded murder!