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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsScientist reveals how he made bird flu that could spread between people
A scientist whose work was deemed too dangerous to publish by US biosecurity advisers revealed for the first time on Tuesday how he created a hybrid bird flu virus that is spread easily by coughs and sneezes. In a conference presentation that was webcasted live to the public, he has detailed how his team created the deadly virus.
Prof Yoshihiro Kawaoka at the University of Wisconsin-Madison described experiments that pinpointed four genetic mutations enabling the virus to spread between ferrets kept in neighbouring cages. The animals are considered the best models of how the infection might spread between people.
In December, the US National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) called for key sections of Kawaokas work to be deleted from a paper in press at the British science journal Nature, amid fears that a rogue state or bioterrorist group might use the information to create a biological weapon.
The NSABB raised similar concerns over a paper by Dr Ron Fouchier at Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam. That study, describing another mutant bird flu strain that can also be spread through the air between ferrets, is under consideration at the US journal Science.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/03/scientist-reveals-how-he-made-bird-flu-that-could-spread-between-people/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...then only criminals will have human communicable bird flu.
Any law abiding citizen should be able to carry it.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)they were surprised at how little mutation it would take for it to cause a horribly virulent pandemic.
Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)the time will inevitably come when one crazed person will wreak havoc on the world.
The human race will (not might, mind you, but WILL) self-destruct. There's really no credible way to prevent it, with the possible exception that some natural disaster or severe resource depletion will leave us without the technology to continue on our path of self destruction.
Perhaps we'll all be better off stuck permanently in the 1700's using sailing ships and steam locomotives and having 1/8th the present population. There certainly isn't enough easy-to-reach petroleum to re-enact the industrial revolution. Once we lose technology, we've lost it forever.
nenagh
(1,925 posts)As a Canadian, I remember health care workers losing their lives.. As well as patients.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)This ain't a tin foil hat thing.
This disease is manufactured. It is absolutely devastating. It cannot possibly be anything but the most classic and terrible of weapons of mass destruction.
Yoshihiro Kawaoka is not behind bars for creating this monster virus. He already created it, the text says it plainly. Any tinfoil hat factor here depends entirely on this story being inaccurate. Stop and think about this for a second: Yoshihiro Kawaoka is not under the fraking prison for creating a weapon of mass destruction.
Why is he not under the prison? There's only one logical reason, he was commissioned to do this and now he's speaking out.
Now ask yourself why this disease was commissioned...
Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)"Never attribute to conspiracy that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)works.
So in that his research would have been vetted, approved and funded by others, I think it's not stupidity.
Edit to add that the whole history of germ warfare research in this country in others wasn't just stupid people idly following their curiosity. It was research -- and human experimentation -- deliberately and knowingly undertaken for military purposes, defensive and aggressive.
Edit to add that the guy is a prof at U Madison and he was publishing a paper in Nature -- which had already been accepted ("a paper in press"
Prof Yoshihiro Kawaoka at the University of Wisconsin-Madison described experiments...
In December, the US National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) called for key sections of Kawaokas work to be deleted from a paper in press at the British science journal Nature
Not some crazed person. Someone supported by the research establishment. Note that no one's called for him to be fired, or for the paper not to be published (minus the deletions of certain sections), or for the research to be halted.
So apparently no one with any power thinks he or his research is "crazed". They just don't want the details to be generally available.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)The person who does RESEARCH and DISCOVERS something dangerous is very probably part of a large team or organization, probably funded by government, and should be accountable for negligence. That person is obviously NOT a "crazed individual".
Once that something has been discovered, it may become possible for a single person or very small group of people, to implement that discovery without requiring that much in the way of resources.
That was my whole point. Technology is putting more and more dangerous things like this within the reach of crazed individuals, or small groups of terrorists who don't have to discover new dangerous things, because those things have already been discovered and published.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Scientists often do things just to do them.They are driven by curiosity. Most don't need any prodding whatsoever to do something like this.
sudopod
(5,019 posts)MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Did he scream, "It's alive!" the first time he saw his creation under a microscope?
Thanks for making the Luddites look good, buddy.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)Meanwhile, the reasons for the change of heart at NSABBwhich one attendee described as having "multiple personality disorder"came under scrutiny as well. NSABB acting chair Paul Keim explained that the group was swayed by new and confidential information about both the risks and the potential benefits of the studies and by the fact that the U.S. government is putting in place a new policy that will provide a much more comprehensive review of so-called dual use research of concern. It had also concluded that redacting critical information and making it available only to people with a legitimate interest in seeing it was, at least in the short run, unworkable.
But another key reason, Keim said, was that Fouchier has revised and expanded his manuscript, which now makes clear that the newly created virus isn't deadly when transmitted from one ferret to another through sneezing and coughing. Based on Fouchier's first manuscript and interviews he gave in the press, the board was under the impression that the virus was lethal under those conditions, too, says Robert Webster, an influenza virologist at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, who advised NSABB during both its first and second review. "That scared the jesus out of everyone," he says.
Once the group had read the revised paper, it became clear that it was all a "giant misunderstanding," Webster says. At a press conference yesterday, Fouchier said the information about virulence was in the original paper, although perhaps not presented as clearly as it could have been because the paper was short.
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/04/free-to-speak-kawaoka-reveals-fl.html
From December:
Fouchier has identified five mutations in two genes that are responsible for the change in the virus. Knowing what they are could be a vitally important tool in the rapid detection of new H5N1 strains in the wild with significant pandemic potential. And if terrorists wanted to hot up H5N1 they would be much more likely to use the ferret approach than genetic engineering based on gene sequences. So the sequences should be published: the benefit to public protection greatly outweighs the risk. If they are seriously concerned about the terrorist threat from flu, MI5 should consider keeping an eye on anyone who buys an egg incubator, and recommend that the government introduce a ferret licensing scheme.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2011/12/21/hugh-pennington/ferrets-of-mass-destruction/