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Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:27 PM

 

Van Jones: Hillary Is "Blowing" It; Watch Out For Elizabeth Warren

Van Jones: Hillary Is "Blowing" It; Watch Out For Elizabeth Warren

VAN JONES: But, you know, I feel badly because I actually like her a lot. But I think she's blowing it. And I think she's actually emboldening -- if I were Elizabeth Warren or if I were Schweitzer, I would be sharpening my pencils and getting ready to go because I think she comes across badly.

I wonder, and you've been in public life and you know it's tough, I wonder if she tries to come back from some of these injuries, that there's not still a sense of aggrievement there that she sometimes creeps into her comment.


Et tu, Van?

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Reply Van Jones: Hillary Is "Blowing" It; Watch Out For Elizabeth Warren (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 OP
RobertEarl Jun 2014 #1
pscot Jun 2014 #45
JEB Jun 2014 #2
leftstreet Jun 2014 #3
silvershadow Jun 2014 #12
grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #21
Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #30
closeupready Jun 2014 #40
Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #44
bradla Jun 2014 #4
reddread Jun 2014 #5
Dawgs Jun 2014 #19
closeupready Jun 2014 #41
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #22
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #46
C Moon Jun 2014 #6
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #7
Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #31
joshcryer Jun 2014 #8
Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #9
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #47
Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #10
The Traveler Jun 2014 #11
silvershadow Jun 2014 #13
Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #36
silvershadow Jun 2014 #39
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #49
Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2014 #14
davidpdx Jun 2014 #15
JI7 Jun 2014 #16
davidpdx Jun 2014 #17
Enrique Jun 2014 #18
Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #20
Metric System Jun 2014 #23
Larkspur Jun 2014 #27
Cerridwen Jun 2014 #24
jeff47 Jun 2014 #25
Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #33
jeff47 Jun 2014 #35
Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #38
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #26
HERVEPA Jun 2014 #29
closeupready Jun 2014 #42
HERVEPA Jun 2014 #43
bigtree Jun 2014 #28
joeybee12 Jun 2014 #32
Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #34
ellie Jun 2014 #37
winter is coming Jun 2014 #48

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:22 AM

1. She was ok as SoS

 

But still too much of a war maker. Good thing Obama was more peace minded.

Heck, if Hill had voted NO to invading Iraq, she might have been president. And if she was a better campaigner. She's no Bill.

Anyway, i feel bad for all our people getting their hearts set on Hill-45. They may be setting themselves up for an awful let down when she decides not to run. I guess if we can prime them for that we'd be doing them a favor?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:45 PM

45. ARe you getting the sense

that she may not run? If Warren contributes materially to a couple of upsets, especially if she helps knock off McConnell, that would rock the beltway crowd.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:22 AM

2. I'd vote for Van.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:22 AM

3. Does DU love Jones, or hate him? I can't remember

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:17 AM

12. LOL nt

 

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:55 AM

21. Love

 

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:03 AM

30. Love him...

until he says something we don't like.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #30)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:12 PM

40. Same with Andrew Sullivan.

 

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Response to closeupready (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:43 PM

44. What Have You Done For Me Lately Underground (nt)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:25 AM

4. Nonsense, if she runs she will win.

 

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Response to bradla (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:27 AM

5. a bold assertion

 

just dont involve me in any assumptions.
if victory was paramount (as people often say)
Hillary would not get support. If she gets to the general,
GOOD LUCK!

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Response to bradla (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:58 AM

19. Amazing how people can say that after what happened in 2008.

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:13 PM

41. Yeah, but THIS time, it's simply INEVITABLE.

 

So there's that.

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Response to bradla (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:59 AM

22. Again. nt

 

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Response to bradla (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:15 PM

46. Of course the boldness of the oligarchy. Yeah. nm

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:58 AM

6. In the 2008 primiaries I was leaning toward Clinton. My wife picked Obama very early on.

Near the end of the primary, I felt Hilary began to seem weak. I'm not into the macho thing, but I don't think the tears bit helped her at all.

I can't help but think that could still hurt her in 2016. I hope not. The GOP seems fearful of her, so that's a good sign.

Anyways, I should be mad at myself here, because we still have a MID-TERM election that is VERY important.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:02 AM

7. Must resist Monica reference,....must resist....

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:04 AM

31. I'm ashamed of you...

Don't you know that resistance is futile?!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:11 AM

8. Let's hope.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:14 AM

9. Do we want to win?

 

If I could wish Warren into the Oval Office, I would. But I don't want even the chance of a Republicretin House, Senate and Presidency in 2017!

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Response to Alex P Notkeaton (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:18 PM

47. Winning isnt as important as keeping our principles. Go ahead and sell your soul to Goldman-Sachs-O

 

Gold for a "win". What's a win worth if you've given up your soul? H. Clinton-Sachs may win, but it will be because Wall Street loves her. If that's the side you want to be on, go for it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:18 AM

10. Hillary's not running, yet. But if she runs on "inevitability" (again) & pandering to a nonexistent

"middle" full of imaginary values voters who just want to hear about the Bible.... instead of brave political leadership designed to actually improve the lives of actual people, then yeah.... she will blow it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:51 AM

11. Hillary can definitely win it

 

She's certainly "the one to beat" right now ... no one else comes close in terms of her political influence and approval in the general public. Few are better at facing down the right wing hate machine.

But she does have a way of walking right into her areas of vulnerability and making them worse. She could definitely blow it.

Disclosure: I lean towards Liz Warren or Bernie ... not really a big Hillary fan. I want a robust primary season ... the Democratic Party needs to hammer out what it proposes for the next 4-8 years, and primaries help do that. But, also, we need to spin up some other candidates just in case something goes wrong with a Clinton candidacy.

Still, I wouldn't bet against her at this point. I think she's going to run. If she runs, I think the odds are heavily in her favor. And I'm ok with that.

Trav

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:18 AM

13. Lizzie Warren took an ax and gave the 1% 40 whacks. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:21 AM

36. Will she start with herself? She's very much part of the 1%

 

She's worth many millions of dollars. Would her first step involve torching her 5 million dollar home and also the townhouse in DC, worth another million, give or take?
I just don't get the thing of pretending she is not a rich former Republican. She is. She was a Republican when that meant racist, homophobic and against the poor. Which it still does, but then they had the AIDS crisis to use as weapon, which her Party sure did. She voted for that. And she's a multi millionaire. 40 whacks. Please.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:01 PM

39. She certainly made a drastic,dramatic turnaround then, didn't she? Much more populist than,

 

say, Clinton?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:27 AM

49. But what's your point? Dont you agree she has spoken out in support of the 99.9%

 

more than H. Clinton-Sachs that has made it clear she stands with the banksters?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:04 AM

14. It hit me today

Elizabeth is going to campaign with Allison in Kentucky. Shouldn't Hillary be doing something like that, too? Even better: Let's see both of them go help Wendy in Texas.

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Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:24 AM

15. No, probably not

Because the Old Orange Hound has threatened to tie her to all the White House scandals making Grimes reluctant to ask her to help.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:35 AM

16. Bill Clinton has been campainging with her and his early support for Grimes is why Ashley Judd

decided to not get into the race.

i think Hillary may not be there as much right now because the media will turn it into "will she run for pres" type thing rather than making the event about the Dem Candidates running for office.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:57 AM

17. That makes sense

Might as well not have her come out closer to the end of the campaign like after Labor Day.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:58 AM

18. Van Jones is a TV pundit now

he's James Carville to Newt Gingrich's Mary Matalin. They have to fill airtime with stuff. The last thing we should do is think very hard about what these people say.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:16 AM

20. Their seems to be two clear camps to the party

 

And the president's camp would like to have some influence over its successor.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:00 AM

23. I think Schweitzer already blew it.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:44 AM

27. Maybe but at least his apology was a real apology

 

Not a "If I offended you, I'm sorry" type of apology.

Schweitzer needs to stick with his economic populist line of attack and needs to moderate his stance on guns, like Howard Dean did. If he does that he could improve his stance among Democrats.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:03 AM

24. Why doesn't anyone posit the idea that both run together?

Why not a Warren/Clinton or Clinton/Warren ticket?

Oh...wait. Two women rather than two men. *sigh* Nevermind. Wrong century.



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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:27 AM

25. Because very few are motivated positively by the VP candidate. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:09 AM

33. Joaquin Castro

He's a little young (but old enough per the constitution should something happen to the President). But having Joaquin Castro on the ballot as VP would be pretty motivating.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:20 AM

35. For a small number of people.

There's a small number of people who can be motivated by a VP candidate.

Most people think of the VP the same way Teddy Roosevelt felt about being VP. That it's a do-nothing job. So people generally don't care enough about the VP unless there's something negative. Then it's used as showing bad judgement.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:49 AM

38. True...but

The first Hispanic VP certainly could shore up the vote in place like New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado. With the right top of the ticket, it could even put Texas and Florida on the table.

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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:31 AM

26. I suppose I'd still vote for Warren if Clinton were her VP.

But I'd prefer Barbara Lee as Warren's VP.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:49 AM

29. or Geddy Lee.

 

Sorry, but these threads are all just so repetitiive and ludicrous.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:16 PM

42. I like Lee Meriwether. But that's just me.

 

Hey.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #42)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:20 PM

43. Rather informal of you. Lee Ann Merriweather. Miss America winners usually have 3 names

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:07 AM

32. Actually, he's very wrong on this...she's smart, she got the book out now...

 

And all the criticism that was bound to come of it, all the quotes taken out of context...the media will soon turn to someone else to sink their teeth into and she can quietly start building up her campaign for a bit.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:15 AM

34. When I first met Van he was working for Arianna Huffington for Governor

 

At that time, he was very supportive of her vast luxury spending 'she's rich, she has the right, should not be an issue'.
He ran away to punditry and let Shirley Sherrod take his heat for him.
He is now co hosting with Newt I believe.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:24 AM

37. Oh? Has she declared her intention to run for president?

Has the campaign started?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:27 PM

48. Van Jones?? I didn't know Alex had a brother. n/t

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