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The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:07 PM Apr 2012

Good Night, America, and Good-Bye

It is interesting to note just how well this imperialism thing has worked for the American people. At the end of last year the U.S. was kicked out of Iraq after spending some trillions of dollars and producing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Americans. Al-Qaeda, which was not present in Iraq when the U.S. arrived, has lately been responsible for bomb attacks that have killed hundreds of Iraqis, mostly civilians. As a result of the ham-handed American intervention, Iraq’s closest friend now is not the U.S. It is Iran.

Appalled by the excesses of the U.S. military, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has followed suit, initially demanding that the U.S. restrict its soldiers to their bases, a move that would mean that the American presence in Afghanistan could well end in short order after the loss of another trillion dollars and the deaths of some tens of thousands of coalition soldiers and Afghan civilians. Even if Karzai accepts a continued U.S. presence that is more managed by his own “sovereign” government, the writing is on the wall, and all that is needed is a firm departure date. Oh, and the Taliban will definitely be coming back in one form or another.

Meanwhile, in neighboring Pakistan, the parliament is debating ending all cooperation with the United States because of the continuing drone campaign, which, true to pattern, kills mostly civilians. Pakistan is nuclear-armed and actually has real terrorists roaming its tribal regions. The departure of Pakistan from the game enables the manifest waste of the past 11 years to become completely clear, with Washington leaving Central Asia in far worse shape than it was when the U.S. Army and the CIA arrived.

How can a great nation with vast intelligence and diplomatic resources be so tone deaf and absolutely clueless? An article in last week’s Washington Post illustrates perfectly the utter futility of the Obama administration’s foreign policy. The article begins:

Read more: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1204/S00004/good-night-america-and-good-bye.htm


After nearly a decade of occupying Afghanistan and Iraq how much more global militarism is needed?

Does it matter that there are countless people worldwide who are not supportive of it at all and that it does nothing but generates only more hostility towards the US?

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Good Night, America, and Good-Bye (Original Post) The Northerner Apr 2012 OP
Mission accomplished, baby! gratuitous Apr 2012 #1
Privatize Petrol Profits Amonester Apr 2012 #2
its not just the foreign policy it is also domestic constitutional abuse. called fighting terror xiamiam Apr 2012 #3
Being tone deaf and absolutely clueless.... atreides1 Apr 2012 #4
Because this "great nation with vast intelligence" is really controlled by a handful of CEOs. bluesbassman Apr 2012 #5
I think you just summed it up. russspeakeasy Apr 2012 #6
how the fuck did i miss this?? inna Apr 2012 #7
We suck at imperialism Mosaic Apr 2012 #8
And Chick Deney got a heart transplant. Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #9

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Mission accomplished, baby!
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:17 PM
Apr 2012

What? Did you think we were trying to generate good will around the country by sending the troops hither and yon? No, we're doing that to line the overstuffed pockets of defense contractors and the like. So a bunch of "volunteers" get killed or PTSD'd or worse. And a bunch of ignorant, savage foreigners get blown sky high. So what? We've got the biggest, baddest military the planet has ever seen, and it's only utterly futile if you think it's for any other purpose than further oppression.

That's why we have to be told, again and again, what a global force for good the U.S. military is, how noble the "sacrifice" is by all our star-spangled freckle-faced kids, and how all good Americans, especially liberals and progressives, have to get behind this disastrous foreign policy and quit being such Negative Nancies and Debbie Downers.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
2. Privatize Petrol Profits
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:18 PM
Apr 2012

Socialize All Costs

In short, isn't it what's all about?

What else is to expect from pRedatoRy capitali$m?

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
3. its not just the foreign policy it is also domestic constitutional abuse. called fighting terror
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:26 PM
Apr 2012

I am so sick of it. Yet its an election year and there are a million distractions. We are supposed to look the other way when we send drones into Yemen..or our president signs an executive order limiting the rights of protesters in this country. The first president who has ever done so in 200 years. Oh but its all ok because he's beating Romney in Ohio or wherever. There are a million threads about the murder of an innocent young man in Florida..and while I think that is an an important issue... those threads far outnumber these threats. Hey look over there..and over there..and over there..but forget the fact that our country and who and what we aspire to is shadow of itself.

atreides1

(16,076 posts)
4. Being tone deaf and absolutely clueless....
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:30 PM
Apr 2012

...is nothing new for this country!

Wouldn't you think that the war against Communism already showed this aspect of the US...Vietnam, South and Central America, Europe...how many people died for no good reason except to put dictators and tyrants in power...just so the US could justify the expense of endless war, and the deaths of millions!

The United States has never believed in exporting Democracy abroad...how much proof is needed?

bluesbassman

(19,372 posts)
5. Because this "great nation with vast intelligence" is really controlled by a handful of CEOs.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:33 PM
Apr 2012

Until the Supreme Court is pulled back from the Right and Citizens United is overturned, I don't see much changing the status quo.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
8. We suck at imperialism
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:21 AM
Apr 2012

It's time to save money and close all the bases we like parasites infest the world with.

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