So the problem is Plan B and not necessarily all birth control?

[davidn3600]

From Hobby Lobby:
The Green family has no moral objection to the use of 16 of 20 preventive contraceptives required in the mandate, and Hobby Lobby will continue its longstanding practice of covering these preventive contraceptives for its employees. However, the Green family cannot provide or pay for four potentially life-threatening drugs and devices. These drugs include Plan B and Ella, the so-called morning-after pill and the week-after pill. Covering these drugs and devices would violate their deeply held religious belief that life begins at the moment of conception, when an egg is fertilized.

So normal preventative birth control pills are still covered...the only thing not covered is things like Plan B? Is that correct?

I know there is the issue of whether Plan B should be covered. But the media is sort of making it out to seem that Hobby Lobby wont provide ANY birth control, but it seems that they do.

[boston bean]

1. WRONG! The courts decision give religious exceptions for all contraception. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

26. +1

[bettyellen]

2. No, so delete this ridiculous OP and read up already. It is ALL birth control and as many companies

as feel like claiming a religious exemption. Jeeze.

[MohRokTah]

5. Those supplying the "it ain't so bad" spin are out in force today.

The GOPidiots must realize that women won't stand for this bullshit.

[BainsBane]

19. and none of them are surprises.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Amen BB

Amen

[riderinthestorm]

22. It's crazy. Almost every hour a new thread with the same spin

"Its not so bad"....

I'm almost at the point of copying and pasting my same response. ..

[savalez]

29. The OP was just asking for clarification.

[Roselma]

3. Sorry...SCOTUS confirmed today that it is ALL

contraception:

http://news.yahoo.com/justices-act-other-health-law-mandate-cases-133633160--politics.html;_ylt=A0LEV0_Jw7JTfGsAwEJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0aTRxYjk3BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDQ2NF8x

[savalez]

30. Wow. That effen "narrow" ruling got WIDE quick.

[Brickbat]

4. For Hobby Lobby, it's Plan B and the IUD.

The IUD is indicated for ailments other than contraception, so if your doctor recommends it and you work at Hobby Lobby, you're out of luck.

[bettyellen]

7. WRONG. It is ALL BIRTH CONTROL. you're welcome.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. I do believe you're blasting someone who is on your side.

The operative words are "For Hobby Lobby...". You're correct about the USSC. The other poster is correct about Hobby Lobby. It doesn't change the fact that HL are scumbags who need to go out of business. It doesn't change the fact that several Supreme Court justices need to be impeached (but never will be). But it does mean that "for Hobby Lobby", they plan to cover 16 of the 20 contraceptives on their plan. I posted this because you seemed to be snapping at someone for no good reason. Thanks.

[bettyellen]

13. Nope, Hobby Lobby is now allowed to exempt all birth control- as are hundreds of other

corporations. What they will do with that new found power, none of us can be sure. We are upset about this ruling, and that is what the ruling is.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

16. correct on all counts

There's nothing to stop Hobby Lobby from axing the other 16 contraceptives--they have their permission slip from the USSC. But as of now, HL's entire PR campaign (and future profits) rests on their "but we cover 16" claim.

[bettyellen]

21. that's "the problem" with this decison- not this BS that HL's PR firm is now pushing.

I don't give a damn if they relent and cover all of it, they allowed themselves to be used as pawns to punish women for having sex. There is no walking back that decision, they get no pat on the back for allowing BC pills.

[Hekate]

6. Wrong. They are going after ALL bc. There was clarification today from the Court.

This has been in the works a long long time.

Unlike Democrats/progressives, who have the attention span of a gnat, theocrats take a very long view because God is on their side.

[ZombieHorde]

8. There are two different things here.

1) The SCOTUS decision, which is about all birth control.

2) Hobby Lobby, which doesn't want to provide birth control they falsely believe causes abortion.

Hobby Lobby says they still intend to cover 16 out of the 20 birth control options under ACA, but the Supreme Court says they don't even have to do that.

[davidn3600]

11. That's sort of my point that SCOTUS went beyond what Hobby Lobby was asking for

Hobby Lobby says they will continue to support coverage for the preventative forms of birth control. So for the media to say HL won't support any birth control is a bit dishonest.

[ZombieHorde]

14. If someone in the media is saying Hobby Lobby won't cover any birth control,

then that person either has information I don't have, that person is mistaken, or that person is being dishonest.

[bettyellen]

15. if they are saying HL doesn't have to cover any birth control- that is truer in terms of what the

decision means to american women. So there's that.

[nomorenomore08]

17. The people who own Hobby Lobby are theocrats, plain and simple.

I don't trust people like that even as far as I can throw them.

[bluesbassman]

10. That's HL's ridiculous attempt at damage control.

IF one takes everything at face value, and that the Green family truly believes the nonsense that conception begins at fertilization, it still doesn't resolve the fact that this decision is wrong on multiple levels that it has immediate and long term extremely negative ramifications.

It boils down to this: They want their cake and eat it too. They incorporated Hobby Lobby to gain the protection of civil (and tax) laws and benefits, but they want to subject their employees (specifically women) to their brand of religion and the SCOTUS just approved it. This is a precedent setting decision no matter how Alito tried to weasel word out of it, and the long term effects are counter to what we as a secular society should be striving for.

[countryjake]

12. Please read these articles here...

Supreme Court clarifies: Yes, Hobby Lobby is about all slut pills
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/01/1310918/-Supreme-Court-clarifies-Yes-Hobby-Lobby-is-about-all-slut-pills#

Justices act in other health law mandate cases
http://news.yahoo.com/justices-act-other-health-law-mandate-cases-133633160--politics.html;_ylt=A0LEV0_Jw7JTfGsAwEJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0aTRxYjk3BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDQ2NF8x

[etherealtruth]

18. It is important to not this isn't about Hobbby Lobby and IUDs/ Plan B

This is about all closely held companies (Koch Industries is one) being able to opt out of providing coverage for anything that conflicts with their beliefs (it was news to me that a privately held for profit company could even have beliefs).

I have a sick feeling that the precedent set in this ruling will extend beyond birth control, will extend beyond health benefits and will extend into areas we cannot even imagine at this point.

[davidn3600]

23. Then we should have went for a single payer system

Instead we are sticking with the employer-provided health insurance system.

[etherealtruth]

25. you are "preaching to the choir"

That is what I have wanted all along ... unfortunately, we have half the country that is fearful someone they consider "undeserving" will receive healthcare.

I want health care ... not health insurance

[riderinthestorm]

20. HL is also against IUDs which are prescribed for other medical conditions

So to suggest that this ruling isn't " so" bad because HL covers other birth control completely misses the point.

The Supremes have just said that corporations are now legally justified getting it in between a woman and her doctor because of the boss's religion.

That's the shitty part.

Its not that HL is "only" meddling with some. Its that corporations are now free to meddle with any.

[TBF]

24. Here we go again

[valerief]

28. THE PROBLEM IS that SCOTUS legally recognizes (1) corporations have religious beliefs and

(2) those religious beliefs of corporate non-human entities trump federal law, in this case federal law affecting female humans.

In other words, corporations are persons, female humans are not.

THAT is what's wrong. Not HL's suit or its damning hypocrisy. Our legal system failed us once again. Our legal system is a SHAM, nothing but a high-priced whorehouse.

[Ilsa]

31. Read this:

The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling. 

The justices did not comment in leaving in place lower court rulings in favor of businesses that object to covering all 20 methods of government-approved contraception. 

The justices also ordered lower courts that ruled in favor of the Obama administration to reconsider those decisions in light of Monday's 5-4 decision. 



http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/01/1310918/-Supreme-Court-clarifies-Yes-Hobby-Lobby-is-about-all-slut-pills 

The justices have declared that your religious bosses can decide that they don't want to follow the mandates of the ACA with respect to contraception only.

[savalez]

32. It's hard to corroborate

but it seems that yesterday's "narrow" ruling got really WIDE overnight.

Yahoo and TPM have a story on it but I can't seem to find anything else on it as of right now this instant. Perhaps later it'll be all over the place.

[hamsterjill]

33. Regardless...

They are covering Viagra. Enough said.

My hobby is gonna be in someone else's lobby.

[Starry Messenger]

34. That's not really the point, David.

Don't expect you to see it though. Plus, you are wrong.

[MerryBlooms]

35. No. IUD (sans hormones) can also be excluded

which (tmi) is what I have because of the family breast cancer risk.

You know, we should all be against this ruling, no matter what the health care exclusion. Your healthcare need may be next on the docket. Since this ruling targets women only, it seems easy for some to accept it and dismiss it as no big deal. It's a big fucking deal.