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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat about vasectomies?
Does the fucking Hobby Lobby object to paying for them?
I see no anger on the right over vasectomies or viagra.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The government doesn't require or even suggest that insurers pay for them.
Good question. What about Vasectomies? Shouldn't they be something, like tubal ligation, that Obamacare should cover?
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I'd like to know the answer to that one.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... that they consider abortifacient such as plan b and IUD's.
And that they were okay with other methods mandated by Obamacare such as tubal ligation, spermicidal foam and birth control pills.
If that rationale is accurate then I suspect they wouldn't have a problem with vasectomy from an ethical standpoint.
Although the government is fine if they simply object on a cost basis.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)Their issue was "abortfacients", drugs they believe (and Alito supported) abort a pregnancy. In fact, these drugs prevent the egg from fertilizing, thus preventing pregnancy. The end result of the law suit: more pregnancies and more abortions. That's another reason (of many) that Alito's argument was so flawed.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Their viewpoint is that the second a sperm meets an egg, a life is created, and they object to paying for anything that they (wrongly) see as interfering with that supposed life. They don't object to paying for contraceptives that prevent the sperm and egg meeting in the first place, so I'm pretty sure they would not object to paying for a vasectomy.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)They are not abortfacients as was claimed in the lawsuit. It's infuriating!!
Skittles
(153,150 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)or buy their crap from a country that forces abortions? Fuck them, they are lying hypocrites
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)and the Greens, in their biblical ignorance of human reproduction are ignorant that ALL life comes from previous life in an unbroken chain from that early time.
LIFE doesn't begin at conception. Christian dogma from ignorant authority and other conceptualizations of LIFE being created de nova for each offspring at the time of conception (or at quickening, or at birth) are mistaken understanding based on rationalizations now long obsolete.
These folks need to be welcomed to the human haploid-diploid life history.
Igel
(35,300 posts)That you expect anger means that you don't understand most RW on this issue. It's a frequent problem. Some social-science research shows that those on the left are on average far more certain about other people's political motivations than those on the right; they're generally more certain of RW's motivations even than other RWs are. I find this a curious result about aversion to uncertainty and hardening of political boundaries, but there it is. Anyway ...
Monty Python satirized Catholics and many thought the satire true: Every sperm is sacred. A lot of people simply don't get satire. It's like Gulliver's Travels: If you don't have a certain level of background information it doesn't make a whole let of sense.
For HL and not a few other on the RW, it's fertilized eggs. If they should naturally fail to implant or spontaneously abort, that's the way it goes. You don't argue with Mother Nature or Father God. Even if you do something by accident to cause a spontaneous abortion, oh, well: accidents happen and even atheists draw a distinction between intentional transgressions and accidental transgressions (for most things). But intentionally artificially blocking a likely implantation or triggering an abortion is screwing with Mother Nature and usurping Father God. In a world in which there is some sort of Grand Design instead of random chance, but humans are free to screw with that Grand Design because God has given them the opportunity to mess up, this makes sense.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)have invested 73 million dollars in a company that manufactures the morning after pill.