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Aerows

(39,961 posts)
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:29 PM Jul 2014

On being fat

Apparently, every single woman on the planet is fat. I weight 115 at 5'4" and in my gardening clothes, I look "fat".

What in the hell propels people to say such things to other people?

And yes, I got told that today, and I work out 3 days a week.

Should I weigh 80 lbs.? No, then I'm "too skinny".

It's an ugly barb that people throw to shame people.

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On being fat (Original Post) Aerows Jul 2014 OP
You are beautiful however you choose to be...let the haters hate they have no soul. Drew Richards Jul 2014 #1
It was my father Aerows Jul 2014 #3
And his mindset is still in the 50's unfortunately...the only thing you could reply safely is Drew Richards Jul 2014 #9
Martinis went out?? tavernier Jul 2014 #45
Your father is just extremely critical. My dad was, too. kwassa Jul 2014 #14
Same with me Aerows Jul 2014 #15
just remember, it is about him, not about you. kwassa Jul 2014 #27
I was in the garden, and he yelled at me about everything under the sun Aerows Jul 2014 #31
He must be a very sad and tormented man. Tolerating him must be difficult. Remain strong. Scuba Jul 2014 #43
He is my father Aerows Jul 2014 #48
That is why friends are better, you get to pick and choose your friends snooper2 Jul 2014 #94
Thank god for that. Aerows Jul 2014 #98
that's verbal abuse. Iris Jul 2014 #80
His mental illness is not your fault. If he won't get help, make him some passionflower infused MADem Jul 2014 #128
It's psychological abuse... ReRe Jul 2014 #37
Thank you for that Aerows Jul 2014 #40
Tell dad he's not only a jerk(and that's polite) for calling you fat, but also mnhtnbb Jul 2014 #23
My father is very critical Aerows Jul 2014 #47
I hope you don't have to live with him. Hekate Jul 2014 #67
My mother is the same Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #81
OMG, you keep bees? Aerows Jul 2014 #83
Turn it right back around on him next time. Quantess Jul 2014 #92
No, he's trying to lose weight Aerows Jul 2014 #100
You're at a good weight. Have 840high Jul 2014 #2
Fuck them. They watch too much TV, it makes their brains and sensibilities 'flabby'. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #4
are you sure he didn't say Phat? whistler162 Jul 2014 #5
What I wouldn't give to weigh 115 lbs. again... The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #6
Yes. I haven't weighed that since I was 17. Fat??? How absurd. Just absurd. It is the opposite. anneboleyn Jul 2014 #41
I think it's because people know it will hurt. LisaLynne Jul 2014 #7
My father is extremely critical of Aerows Jul 2014 #10
115 at 5'4" sounds pretty healthy to me. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2014 #8
My goodness shenmue Jul 2014 #11
You're on the thin side at your height, since 110 - 140 is considered pnwmom Jul 2014 #12
You got told that by a very sick person. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #13
Don't worry, when you turn 50, you'll get your invisibility cloak Warpy Jul 2014 #16
I love my cloak! PasadenaTrudy Jul 2014 #19
I'm 61. I don't dress provocatively and I still get it cali Jul 2014 #26
Don't be so sure. Aristus Jul 2014 #20
I've met some super sexy 50+ lesbians Aerows Jul 2014 #24
A super-sexy lesbian DID knock my socks off when I was 23. Aristus Jul 2014 #34
You sound like you wish you had Aerows Jul 2014 #51
Delete. nt Snotcicles Jul 2014 #132
Ick.. PasadenaTrudy Jul 2014 #57
Well, not everyone's outlook is going to be the same. Aristus Jul 2014 #90
agreed Skittles Jul 2014 #125
Well, that's 'cause you'll kick their asses if they don't compliment you. Aristus Jul 2014 #131
well, I won't be IGNORED, you see? Skittles Jul 2014 #135
Definitely not!... Aristus Jul 2014 #136
Take back your power, Aerows pleinair Jul 2014 #17
Thank you Aerows Jul 2014 #50
I don't understand why parents are critical of their children angstlessk Jul 2014 #18
Mothers are especially guilty Warpy Jul 2014 #21
Oh yes, my mother loved the public angstlessk Jul 2014 #25
If you aren't perfect Aerows Jul 2014 #36
Who told you that you were fat? flvegan Jul 2014 #22
My father Aerows Jul 2014 #28
That's terrible for him to say. flvegan Jul 2014 #30
I'm trying Aerows Jul 2014 #33
I've heard if you take a spray bottle and whistler162 Jul 2014 #42
That is an absolutely fantastic idea! I'm going to try it. BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Jul 2014 #52
I tried that, but the only spray bottle I had was selzter water. winter is coming Jul 2014 #85
even better! BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #89
Is your father ADD or ADHD? His attacks on you (and that's what they Nay Jul 2014 #101
Thank you for the advice Aerows Jul 2014 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author former9thward Jul 2014 #29
Tell him there are things about him that you find offensive too lunatica Jul 2014 #32
It's rough to be in a family where Aerows Jul 2014 #35
Criticism like that never means "I care." It is always meant to be Nay Jul 2014 #102
^^^^^!!!!! magical thyme Jul 2014 #129
Lunatica, an excellent response! Aerows, I'd try this. nt Nay Jul 2014 #105
It's more about them than you - they're the ones with the problem. LiberalElite Jul 2014 #38
My comment is not a reference to your father, Jenoch Jul 2014 #39
It's a horrible thing to do Aerows Jul 2014 #44
I have an almost 44 year old niece, Jenoch Jul 2014 #55
I hesitate to classify myself Aerows Jul 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Jenoch Jul 2014 #61
My intent was not to imply you were suffering from anorexia. Jenoch Jul 2014 #65
It's okay Aerows Jul 2014 #70
My maternal grandmother seemed to Jenoch Jul 2014 #76
I've already been down the eating disorder route Aerows Jul 2014 #46
Here in Korea they are ALL about looks davidpdx Jul 2014 #53
Good luck to you! Aerows Jul 2014 #54
I'm 5'11 and weigh 140 and have been told blueamy66 Jul 2014 #58
It shocked me Aerows Jul 2014 #64
Move on. blueamy66 Jul 2014 #68
Nothing is worth it Aerows Jul 2014 #72
Right now, at my age... blueamy66 Jul 2014 #75
He just wants to hurt you and used a common insult for women to do it. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #110
it doesn't matter what his excuse was, because there was no magical thyme Jul 2014 #130
I'm your height and at that weight my ribs all showed Hekate Jul 2014 #59
I have shoulders Aerows Jul 2014 #60
LOL Hekate Jul 2014 #73
LOL. You could be related to my dad. Mom called him The Buttless Wonder. n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #87
If there was a butt shortage Aerows Jul 2014 #88
I NEED a belt Aerows Jul 2014 #119
Envy and/or low self-esteem LittleBlue Jul 2014 #62
My willpower is strong to STAY Aerows Jul 2014 #66
Haha, no kidding LittleBlue Jul 2014 #69
I just got interrupted by Aerows Jul 2014 #71
Your father is psychologically abusive nobodyspecial Jul 2014 #63
After reading this thread (oops, long, sorry)... laundry_queen Jul 2014 #74
Thank you so much Aerows Jul 2014 #77
Have you done any searches about laundry_queen Jul 2014 #82
Thank you Aerows Jul 2014 #84
People just love to judge others and more often than not in MHO those that do so are simply AuntPatsy Jul 2014 #78
The ugly part of humanity. Phlem Jul 2014 #79
Thank you Aerows Jul 2014 #86
It crosses political aisles too maced666 Jul 2014 #91
You work out three days a week and get off on gardening? nolabels Jul 2014 #93
Yes :) Aerows Jul 2014 #95
I know you care for your father but... steve2470 Jul 2014 #96
He's pretty domineering Aerows Jul 2014 #97
I hope before he dies, you two can come to some sort of an agreement steve2470 Jul 2014 #99
I am so sorry this happened to you. TDale313 Jul 2014 #103
It was sort of a double edged sword Aerows Jul 2014 #109
I can imagine. TDale313 Jul 2014 #115
According to some, every woman is supposed to LWolf Jul 2014 #104
It was hot, I was working in my garden Aerows Jul 2014 #108
Who said that to you? Cleita Jul 2014 #106
My father Aerows Jul 2014 #107
I am sorry it was someone so close to you. Cleita Jul 2014 #117
My garden is growing very well Aerows Jul 2014 #122
You aren't fat. Whoever said that was mean. abelenkpe Jul 2014 #111
it was her own father, which makes it much worse nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #113
From a perspective of what the average male finds attractive rufus dog Jul 2014 #114
I've come to terms with that in this thread Aerows Jul 2014 #126
What's the ugliest part of your body? MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #116
My mind and my father's mind repeatedly clash Aerows Jul 2014 #124
Aerows I'm so sorry you have to hear that crap Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #118
He's a good man Aerows Jul 2014 #123
I know the feeling. I've asked my mom on several occasions to ecstatic Jul 2014 #120
too thin Aerows Jul 2014 #121
My garden still has great tomatoes and peppers growing Aerows Jul 2014 #127
Quote, Antonio Porchia: When you made me into another, I left you with me. nt Snotcicles Jul 2014 #133
The fatty days theexwife Jul 2014 #134

Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
9. And his mindset is still in the 50's unfortunately...the only thing you could reply safely is
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jul 2014

...sigh...oh dad you're such an old chauvenist.
Body shaming women went out with martinis and pipe smoking...

Just a thought...it might not work but then again...it might make him think before he speaks.

tavernier

(12,380 posts)
45. Martinis went out??
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jul 2014

Someone forgot to call the Keys and let us know!



We've got your Key Lime Martinis, Guava Martinis, Coconut Martinis, Papaya Martinis... Banana Martinis, Sea Salt Martinis...

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
14. Your father is just extremely critical. My dad was, too.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jul 2014

Not about weight, but about many other things. Critical is critical.

It had a very negative effect on my life. The critic lives on in my head.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
27. just remember, it is about him, not about you.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jul 2014

My father died of prostate cancer about 2 years ago, at 88.

He actually had many positive qualities, but the critical part was passed on to me. He was a major cynic and pessimist, too.
I thought he and my mother were very close, and she wouldn't last without him, but she has blossomed quite a bit since he has gone. She actually seems happier.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. I was in the garden, and he yelled at me about everything under the sun
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jul 2014

He told me I didn't water the plants enough, my belly was hanging out, he didn't like my hair and generally excoriated my appearance and care for my plants. Which are thriving, and have tomatoes popping off of the vine, cucumbers and peppers.

It was like he was yelling at me just to yell. WHILE I was already watering my garden.

Iris

(15,652 posts)
80. that's verbal abuse.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:17 PM
Jul 2014

I understand family is important to you but you should be aware that that behavior is not acceptable.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
128. His mental illness is not your fault. If he won't get help, make him some passionflower infused
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:56 AM
Jul 2014

iced tea. It might take the edge off and he'll be less of a jerk to you.

Sometimes people yell when they are in pain--physical, mental, emotional, you name it. He may be dealing with some issue and that's making him take it out on you.

I see that shit happen on this board sometimes. It's pretty obvious when it's going down. No fun to be on the receiving end, of course.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
37. It's psychological abuse...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jul 2014

... and what you are suffering from, whether you know it or not, is PTSD. Father's Day... is it a hard day for you, what with all the advertisements on commercial TV and in the newspapers, etc? What I did when my own father was verbally cruel to me, was I moved as far away from him as I could. Like out of state. Don't let someone else define you, even if it is your father, or boyfriend, or family member, or friend. There is nothing wrong with you. Sounds like you don't have an ounce of fat on your body! Listen, you let that crap go in one ear and out the other from now on. Look him in the eye and say "Fuck you!" (even if you don't use such language.)
And if you can't do that, just say "Right back at you!" Be strong and defend numero uno.

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
23. Tell dad he's not only a jerk(and that's polite) for calling you fat, but also
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jul 2014

incorrect.

Then tell him to look at BMI charts for women's height/weight

He can find them by googling.

Make him do the work. Tell him he'll burn some calories, so obviously he
will appreciate doing the work himself.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
47. My father is very critical
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jul 2014

of everything that doesn't conform. I don't conform, and I nearly lost enough weight at one time to be hospitalized. I'm WAY better now. I was meant to have muscles and meat on my body.

I wish he could see that, and appreciate it. I think he does, sometimes, but it is a kneejerk reaction to criticize everything I do in case I might fail at it, he was right - I failed, I succeeded - his "encouragement" worked.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
81. My mother is the same
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jul 2014

You should see me in my beekeeeping suit! Yes, I could stand to lose 15 lbs. I just shut the noise out! (((Hug)) You are beautiful just as you are as we are all!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
92. Turn it right back around on him next time.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jul 2014

A lot of parents live in glass houses while throwing stones, so to speak. Or does he have a perfect figure?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
100. No, he's trying to lose weight
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jul 2014

and apparently everyone on the planet needs to lose weight, too.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. Fuck them. They watch too much TV, it makes their brains and sensibilities 'flabby'.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jul 2014

It is an ugly barb and insults are most often indicators of one's own lack of self esteem and feelings of inadequacy.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
5. are you sure he didn't say Phat?
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:36 PM
Jul 2014
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/phat

which sounds more likely. Ask hum when he learned gansta and he can speak jive like Barbara Billingsley in Airplane.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
6. What I wouldn't give to weigh 115 lbs. again...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jul 2014

But regardless, nobody has the right to tell someone else they are fat, except maybe their doctor. So maybe I'm overweight. Whoever is not my doctor can just STFU about my weight and what they think of it. Don't like the way I look? Don't look at me. And, once again, STFU.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
7. I think it's because people know it will hurt.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jul 2014

We've all been conditioned by the media for years that being fat, especially as a woman where appearance, they tell us, is all we have to offer, is the Worst. Thing. Ever. And actually offensive to others. So, it's an insult people can toss at someone and expect it to mean something to that person.

But yes, it's ugly and hateful.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. My father is extremely critical of
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jul 2014

women's appearances. I hit 79 lbs. at one point, and I have no desire to go back there, but it is easy to backslide with people that nag that you aren't thin/fat/slender/muscular/perfect enough. I'm old enough that it shouldn't hurt me, but it does. It's so random.

My favorite jeans I got from the little girls' department in a 16. But I'm fat.

Warpy

(111,246 posts)
16. Don't worry, when you turn 50, you'll get your invisibility cloak
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jul 2014

There is a very large segment of the population that believes the only criterion for assigning value to a female human being under 50 is how "hot" she is.

I'm sorry some woman hating moron spit that at you today. That would have been my cue to list all his/her physical shortcomings.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
26. I'm 61. I don't dress provocatively and I still get it
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jul 2014

I'm not interested in attracting male attention at this point in my life. I like to look and feel good for me.

Aristus

(66,319 posts)
20. Don't be so sure.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jul 2014

I don't know how many men out there are like me, but a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman, over or under 50. Don't know why 50 has to be the age of the cloak of invisibility. But a lot of the over-50 women I know are astoundingly sexy.

And if they have curves, and are confident in their skin, so much the better.

Not every man was educated about women along the "she's-only-beautiful-if..." convention.

This guy sounds sad. He only sees a limited number of 'beautiful' women.

I see them everywhere!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. I've met some super sexy 50+ lesbians
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jul 2014

They would knock your socks off if you were 25.

It was my dad. I think he was trying again to shame me into being "better".

Aristus

(66,319 posts)
34. A super-sexy lesbian DID knock my socks off when I was 23.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jul 2014

I was in the Army, stationed on Fort Knox, Kentucky. It was right around the time Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell was starting up; 1993, I think.

I hung around Louisville's gay community in the St. Matthews District at the time. I'm straight, but I was a fan of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and managed to earn a part as 'Eddie' in the local floor show. I was kind of a novelty to my friends: a gay-friendly soldier in the notoriously (at the time) homophobic Army.

One night, we were at a friend's house, having a good time and doing some shots. Another member of the circle whom I didn't know started up a conversation with me. She was a lesbian, a successful businesswoman, very glamorous, and incredibly attractive. She drove a souped-up black sports car that had a car-phone. (This was pretty rare in 1992.)

We talked for a little while, then she made the proposal that knocked my socks off. She asked me to accompany her to a local chamber of commerce dinner that was coming up. Although she never said so outright, I imagine she wanted me to be her 'beard'. She flattered the hell out of me. "What do you say? Think I could get a good-looking guy like you to go to this thing with me?" (I don't know about good-looking, but I had more hair and more muscles back then.)

She probably needed to show up escorted by a man. There were probably going to be a lot of conservative, homophobic Kentucky businessmen at that event, and general knowledge of her lesbianism might hurt her own business.

As it turned out, I wasn't able to go. I had a family commitment that I had to go out of town for on the night in question. Not being able to accept her offer is one of the great regrets of my life. Obviously, nothing would have happened with her. But I would have been able to spend more time with this fascinating, charismatic woman.

Socks. Knocked completely off.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
57. Ick..
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:27 PM
Jul 2014

I purposely dress down and have gained a lot weight to finally be invisible. I don't want to look sexy! I hate male attention and I'm so happy I don't have to deal with it anymore. Sexy is overrated. The joy of getting older is not having to deal with that crap anymore. That's where I'm coming from..

Aristus

(66,319 posts)
131. Well, that's 'cause you'll kick their asses if they don't compliment you.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jul 2014


Just kidding. You're hot, and you know it...

pleinair

(171 posts)
17. Take back your power, Aerows
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jul 2014

in whatever way makes sense to you--I wish you the best! We all need to stop giving other people permission to belittle us, if even (especially) in our own minds.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
18. I don't understand why parents are critical of their children
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jul 2014

the thing I remember most of my mother was her saying "Katherine, what is wrong with you" it was almost a mantra...

I recall meeting a woman who was overweight and not especially pretty, but she had a confidence in herself that I envied...her parents GAVE her that confidence...I wish more parents knew the importance of confidence in oneself...

Warpy

(111,246 posts)
21. Mothers are especially guilty
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jul 2014

of saying things to their daughters that they'd never dream of saying to any other woman.

Then they wonder why we're not great buddies.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
25. Oh yes, my mother loved the public
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jul 2014

and hated her family..I once told my mother, everyone loves you, and her answer was, "everyone but you"

Two things that stick in my mind...I once got angry with a cashier..and expressed that anger...and my mother wanted to disown me...and maybe adopt the cashier?

The second time was when we went to the Virginia Beach monument to Edgar Casey and they had a presentation and my mother almost fell off of her seat agreeing with every word, and shaking her head yes at every comment the presenter made...it was, to tell the truth, embarrassing.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
36. If you aren't perfect
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:52 PM
Jul 2014

and you aren't a mind reader, then you are not worthy.

I know that routine.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. My father
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:34 PM
Jul 2014

He can be a good man, but he lashes out when the attention isn't on him. I was working in my garden and hadn't asked for his help, and he started in about "It's dry as a popcorn fart" and "your belly is hanging out of your shirt, you are getting fat" and "You aren't watering your plants" "you are ...."

You get the point.

flvegan

(64,407 posts)
30. That's terrible for him to say.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jul 2014

And to his own daughter. For shame. I do hope you are shaking that off.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
42. I've heard if you take a spray bottle and
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jul 2014

fill it with water. Then every time he says something that is nasty you spritz him with the water after awhile he will learn not to do that. Or is that puppies and bad behavior.

Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #49)

Nay

(12,051 posts)
101. Is your father ADD or ADHD? His attacks on you (and that's what they
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jul 2014

are - attacks) are often a symptom of those mental abnormalities. Another symptom is that he can't stand for attention to not be on him. Or, of course, he could just be a complete asshole. Whatever his problem is, his attacks are inexcusable and waaaay out of order.

In any case, it's not about you especially, but I know that doesn't blunt the pain of having your own parent treat you like garbage. I urge you to talk with a counselor confidentially about how to deal with your father, because he reminds me of MY father -- I had no money for counseling (way back then there weren't any free services) and it would have been of inestimable value for me if I had only been able to go. Getting help will show you how to deal with ppl like this; I guarantee through my own experience that unless you learn to deal with him effectively, assholes like him will continue to show up in your life and you won't be able to deal.

Response to flvegan (Reply #22)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
32. Tell him there are things about him that you find offensive too
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jul 2014

Then watch his mouth drop open in shock. Don't bother to tell him what those things are. If he demands to know what 'things' you find offensive just answer, 'things'. Let him wonder. He'll feel the sting and that might make him think twice before saying such things to you again.

I did it to my grandfather who criticized everyone. I said it when he started criticizing me in front of everyone in the family. You could have heard a pin drop after everyone gasped and held their breath. He was obviously shocked that anyone would say such a thing to him and in front of everyone too. He never criticized me again either in public or in private. And to top it off our relationship improved immensely. It was as if he suddenly respected me. Go figure.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. It's rough to be in a family where
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jul 2014

criticism is taken as shorthand for "I care". It's also tiring.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
102. Criticism like that never means "I care." It is always meant to be
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jul 2014

destructive and hurtful, and the claim that it is a result of caring is told to you only in order to confuse you and shut you up. It's been working, hasn't it?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
39. My comment is not a reference to your father,
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jul 2014

and it does not apply to you since it is obvious you are not fat, but insulting and mocking the fat people seems to still be acceptable by many Americans.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
44. It's a horrible thing to do
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jul 2014

and mocking people's appearances are just as devastating. I didn't mean to imply that being "fat" was a problem, it is a "problem" in my father's eyes no matter how slender I get. Until I did.

I hit 79 lbs. and the doctor warned me he would put me in the hospital if I lost anymore weight.

It's about the things people do to us with our body image.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
55. I have an almost 44 year old niece,
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:12 PM
Jul 2014

who is like my little sister since I was myself a young child when she was born, who went through treatment for anorexia just a year ago. Her situation was more about control and to a lesser extent, body image. She seems to be doing much better now.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
56. I hesitate to classify myself
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jul 2014

as anorexic or anything, but yeah, I've been fighting it for a while, and just when I have muscles and I'm healthy - "You are fat".

Response to Aerows (Reply #56)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
70. It's okay
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:49 PM
Jul 2014

I've recovered from it and it is still a factor in my life. This incident didn't help.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
76. My maternal grandmother seemed to
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:14 PM
Jul 2014

be overly critical of my mother for much of her life. The underlying story was that my mother's older sister died suddenly six weeks after graduating as valedictorian from high school. My mother could never measure up.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
46. I've already been down the eating disorder route
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jul 2014

I weighed 79 lbs. before the doctor warned me he would but me in the hospital. It isn't the first time I've hit 80 lbs. It feels surprisingly good, for a while. It's like a drug.

Until you are so frail you cannot function.

I still fight it.

Include exercise and muscle. You look like you are about to die - because you are.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
53. Here in Korea they are ALL about looks
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jul 2014

I've been told I'm fat all the time. I have seen Koreans that are heavier than I am.

I personally think it is cruel to tell people that. What is too skinny or too fat is based on such old style thinking.

I have been struggling with weight issues the older I get. Last month I finally decided to do something about it. While I haven't made a huge amount of progress, I've made some. I figure if I don't do it now then I'll just keep putting it off.

 

blueamy66

(6,795 posts)
58. I'm 5'11 and weigh 140 and have been told
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:31 PM
Jul 2014

that i am fat.

I just look in the mirror and know that I am not.

Words aren't gonna get me down. It's totally about body image and self confidence.

I was the tallest kid in my class til I hit high school. I tried to slouch and not show my height.

No more. I walk with my head up, shoulders back...and if I wanna wear high heels, I will.

Screw the mean people.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
64. It shocked me
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jul 2014

because I do my best to take care of myself - but it was my father that said it. I'm not sure if he was pissed that I didn't involve him in the garden, didn't approve of what I wore in the garden (a tank and shorts?) or that he thought I was getting too healthy.

 

blueamy66

(6,795 posts)
68. Move on.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jul 2014

You know you're good.

Easier said than done....I know....but it's just not worth it....

Hugs

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
72. Nothing is worth it
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jul 2014

unless it is actually *worth* it.

If you and I can figure out what is and what *is* not worth it, we would be Nobel prize worthy.

 

blueamy66

(6,795 posts)
75. Right now, at my age...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jul 2014

having a caring, thoughtful, sane boyfriend and loving family is what I need. The little nieces and nephews make my every day.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
110. He just wants to hurt you and used a common insult for women to do it.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jul 2014

Maybe next time you could ask him why he would say something so hurtful. If he says it was for your own good, point out that obviously isn't the truth, so he clearly wanted to hurt your feelings. Keep pushing at it. Remind him of your anorexia history and how his statement would be likely to cause you to injure your health. Maybe if you push it enough, he'll realize how nasty he was.

Or you could turn the hose on him

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
130. it doesn't matter what his excuse was, because there was no
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 06:35 AM
Jul 2014

justification or acceptable reason for saying such a thing.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
59. I'm your height and at that weight my ribs all showed
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:33 PM
Jul 2014

My shoulders and hips were still comparatively wide (had a tiny waist though, this was college) because for pete's sake that happens to be my bone structure.

indeed.

On edit: This was your father?! I'm really sorry Aerows -- it was my mother who used to remind me that I had a "big" rear.

Parents can be cruel sometimes. I hope he has other redeeming virtues.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
73. LOL
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:54 PM
Jul 2014

I'm sure that part of my mother's problem (and it was her problem) was that I was so different from her in many things, though I tried like hell to be her when I was younger.

Our body structures were very different: she was 5'8" to my 5'4". She had a flat butt, and mine was curvy. She had enormous jugs and I (as she told me) was flat-chested. "Don't worry dear, they'll never sag." What teenage girl wants to hear that? Especially when all her bras are "AA" and "A"?

In truth she hated her own appearance. She matured early and grew very tall. At 10 she had her period, her height, and those boobs. She had to give up jump rope because of the bouncy-bouncy. People thought it looked weird when she played with her dolls. That's just sad.

I think she thought all of her children were beautiful, but that it was wrong to say so because it would encourage vanity. Nothing about encouraging a little self-confidence.

I don't know what your father's problem is -- but from another post upthread it sounds like his constant harping contributed mightily to a bout of anorexia. As I said before, I hope you don't have to live with him. Toxicity isn't good for you.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
119. I NEED a belt
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:18 AM
Jul 2014

seriously. If you trip over your pants leg without a belt and moon everyone? You might be me.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
62. Envy and/or low self-esteem
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jul 2014

Someone has low self-esteem and needs to put you down, or they were envious of your fitness level. Or both.

Your willpower must be pretty strong to be 115 lbs. Nice work.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
69. Haha, no kidding
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jul 2014

Being there and staying there are two different things.

Your back, knees and heart will thank you.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
63. Your father is psychologically abusive
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jul 2014

If you can't demand that he doesn't treat you that way, please spend less time with him. Just because he is family doesn't give him a free pass to treat you like that. In fact, since he is family, he should be a source of refuge and support. You deserve better and need to protect yourself.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
74. After reading this thread (oops, long, sorry)...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jul 2014

I want to tell you that you don't have to put up with that. I GET that family is important to you, and that you feel like you have to tolerate this stuff in order to have a relationship - but you really don't have to. I don't know how to say this exactly...let me start with my parents.

My parents were hyper critical of everything about me since the day I was born, but especially about weight. I remember being about 4 years old and my mom telling me that I had a 'fat gut' just like my dad. Then when I was 5 she put my dad on a diet (a 600 cal/day diet) and he lost 80 lbs. (long story short, most spouses wouldn't put up with being treated like how my dad was treated, but my parents are extremely codependent). After he lost his weight, both of them decided to focus on me and my weight. Every morsel of food that went in my mouth was scrutinized (and criticized if it didn't meet with approval...like if I spent my allowance on candy). I was constantly nagged to 'exercise', even though I was a bookworm. I was basically not allowed to sit and read if it wasn't storming out. I was kicked out of the house not to 'get some fresh air' but because I "had better watch it" or I would "end up fat" if I sat around all day. As a teen, I alternately skipped meals and binged. I obsessively exercised to the point I have some serious overuse injuries that plague me to this day. And my mom dragged me around to all the weight lost places - Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers...I saw doctors, nutritionists and so on. They all said I could stand to lose 'a few' pounds but generally I was a normal weight. My mom wasn't happy...she thought I should weigh less. Anyway I managed to stay a somewhat normal weight until I met my now-ex.

He asked me why I was so obsessed with calorie counts and fat grams all the time. He said he wanted me to be happy and not to worry about that stuff...to just eat like a normal person.

Well, eating like a normal person after having my metabolism all messed up by starving myself for years made me fat within a year. Then I had 4 children, each one adding a few more pounds. I'm now obese.

At first, my parents were total assholes about it to my face. Then I told them flat out, "My weight is not up for discussion". My parents are narcissists, according to a very qualified therapist my daughter saw after my divorce, and they are more concerned with how I make them look than my actual weight. So I decided that I didn't need them to make comments anymore - especially because I have 4 daughters that noticed these comments.

They weren't happy. They started trying to be 'covert' about my weight. Showing me 'health' articles, and talking about wonderful new breakthroughs in dieting. I would explain to them that I was eating very healthily (I always have) but that I had medical issues that made me prone to gain weight (in addition to all the psychological crap, I have numerous medical issues that make me 'weight loss resistant' and I had this as a teen and didn't know). They rolled their eyes at me. They still would make weight comments about others, talk about how fat and lazy and disgusting these OTHER people were then feign innocence when I would confront them. I'd say, "I told you that this topic is not up for discussion." And my parents would say, "why, honey, we weren't talking about your weight at ALL. Not EVERYTHING is about YOU, you know."

I would grin and bear it, because they were my family. But once I learned about emotional abuse and how wrong it was how my parents treated me over the years (from aforementioned therapist. Also, there are a ton of other issues besides the weight one) I started to really follow through with consequences about violating my boundaries. The last straw was my dad calling me an idiot for being fat. I walked away. Now, if they even mention anything to do with diet or weight, I walk away with a firm, "this topic is not up for discussion". It's like training a toddler, really.

Still, I've decided I cannot deal with this soul-destroying crap anymore. I've been pulling away from my parents - which isn't easy since they live 2 minutes away. I don't call them, they call me. I am the 'dutiful' daughter, but I no longer share anything personal with my parents. When I do, it's used against me. If I show any warmth or closeness with them, they use the opportunity to put me down right when I'm feeling like things are going good. No longer.

Part of the reason I stayed with my emotionally abusive ex-husband for so long was because I was so ashamed of being fat. I thought no other man on earth would ever love me. Growing up, my parents never missed an opportunity to discuss how gross and disgusting fat people were (even friends of theirs!) and would say 'how could anyone love THAT?'. They even used to criticize supermodels, FFS! I grew up thinking if I was fat, I didn't deserve love. And so, I thought I HAD to stay with the one person on earth who didn't seem to care about my weight...despite everything else he did to me.

Anyhow, I understand what it's like to have parents like that. Please know you don't have to put up with it. Put up some boundaries. Reinforce them like you are teaching a toddler to not steal the cookies. It's hard at first because we've been trained to take their abuse, but in the end it's worth it. Hugs to you...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
77. Thank you so much
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jul 2014

I have a bit of the opposite problem, but it is the same ugly coin. Who gave our parents the right to dictate that we are good human beings based upon our looks and our weight?

I am speechless because I see so much in your post.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
82. Have you done any searches about
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jul 2014

'narcissistic' or 'toxic' parents? After my parents pulled a fast one on me after my divorce (it's quite the story) and a friend of mine through a divorce support group sent me a book about narcissists with regards to my ex, I realized the narcissist term fit my parents more than it fit my ex (my ex, btw, is a sociopath, which the therapist, who had to deal with him with the billing, agrees he shows troubling signs of it). Anyway, I looked up narcissistic/toxic parents and found a lot of good information which explained a LOT of what I was dealing with and why. It also helped me learn to deal with them and their toxic comments. The cool thing is - they are completely and utterly predictable once you 'get' what is going on. I can now immunize myself against their comments and attacks before I go for a visit. It helps a lot.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. Thank you
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 12:27 AM
Jul 2014

I appreciate it, and I will look into it. I'm so sorry you had that experience, but you have 4 beautiful daughters that won't be subjected to it!

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
78. People just love to judge others and more often than not in MHO those that do so are simply
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jul 2014

Unhappy with their own lives....

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
79. The ugly part of humanity.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jul 2014

I say F em.

Men walk around pot bellied in t-shirts. Does one ever hear about them looking fat?

again I say FK em.

appearances are nothing anymore.

Be happy Aerows, it shows in what you contribute to the community, and I for one like what I see.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
91. It crosses political aisles too
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jul 2014

Would not believe some of the things overheard among groups of 'progressive men' - not youths, when they did not know myself or my girlfriend were overhearing them. it always hurts and appears to be so prevalent.where is the refuge?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
96. I know you care for your father but...
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:16 PM
Jul 2014

if I was your father, I would treat you far differently. He's wrong about his weight comment, but regardless of its accuracy, he needs to accept you and love you as you are. I do my best not to criticize my son, because, god knows, there are millions of people to criticize him. He doesn't need me to be one of them. Keep reminding yourself that his approach is all wrong, no matter what his intentions may be.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
97. He's pretty domineering
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jul 2014

and any chance he gets to get the upper hand - no matter what you are discussing - he uses it. This just happened to be my garden. Thus, I'm fat, the garden looks like shit, and I'm not doing what he suggests.

I'm not doing what he suggests because it wasn't working for the garden. I thought we were getting along while he was offering me advice on it, but suddenly, one little issue and everything in the God's world is wrong with me, the garden, my beliefs and I'm a fat idiot.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
99. I hope before he dies, you two can come to some sort of an agreement
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 09:44 PM
Jul 2014

You respect him, he respects you, simple enough. I know, a trillion times easier said than done. You deserve respect from him, keep reminding yourself of that fact. At any rate, best wishes.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
103. I am so sorry this happened to you.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:45 PM
Jul 2014

Sometimes we can be cruelest to those closest to us. Know you didn't deserve to be treated that way.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
109. It was sort of a double edged sword
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:00 PM
Jul 2014

I LOVE my garden and have taken so much pride in it, and for my dad to come in and insult me, my garden and my appearance really hurt.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
115. I can imagine.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jul 2014

And I know it can be hard to take to heart, but this really was about his issues, not anything wrong with you.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
104. According to some, every woman is supposed to
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jul 2014

earn the approval of men. And it starts with what they look like.

You're not fat. But it doesn't matter. All of the fat people out there, and all of us who are not physically perfect, deserve dignity, deserve respect, and deserve not to be judged by their body.

It IS an ugly barb. Unhook it, turn your back, and move on. Father or not.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
108. It was hot, I was working in my garden
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:59 PM
Jul 2014

and apparently, that was not something I should be doing, my hair looked awful, I looked fat in my clothes, except I wasn't watering my garden enough ... blah blah blah criticism.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
106. Who said that to you?
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jul 2014

I wouldn't be friends with them. You are not fat. You could add some weight and still be thin.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
117. I am sorry it was someone so close to you.
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jul 2014

But I wouldn't listen. I'm sure your garden is beautiful and what you wear is your own business. And, you are not fat.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
122. My garden is growing very well
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:50 AM
Jul 2014

I have tomatoes growing everywhere and so are my cucumbers. I'm sorry I don't look like a model when watering my plants, but I love them and they don't care what I look like either!

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
114. From a perspective of what the average male finds attractive
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jul 2014

You are likely at the low end of the weight scale. And a hell of a long way from being fat.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
126. I've come to terms with that in this thread
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:55 AM
Jul 2014

and I think my father just said that and all of the other bullshit about how my garden was growing, my hair and me in general - I can't figure out why he said all of that. My tomatoes are still growing, I have cucumbers growing out of my ears, and I'm pleased with that, even if I was wearing shitty gardening clothes and looked fat.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
116. What's the ugliest part of your body?
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:55 PM
Jul 2014

Some say your nose…

Some say your clothes,

But, I think it's your mind!

~ Frank Zappa

Sing this to dear ole dad the next time he screws with your mind. You sound healthy and lean to me. And, if you work out 3 times a week, I'll bet you're more than fit!

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
118. Aerows I'm so sorry you have to hear that crap
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jul 2014

Nobody deserves that especially not from their own parents. I don't have the faintest idea what possesses your father to say something like that, but I do know he's dead wrong. I hope you know that too.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
123. He's a good man
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:51 AM
Jul 2014

some of the time, but he's an asshole, too. It's totally random assholery. I'm in the yard - I was not aware that I was going to a fashion show.

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
120. I know the feeling. I've asked my mom on several occasions to
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:22 AM
Jul 2014

stop making assessments on my weight, but she will never get it. It's either "you're too thin (sick)" or "wow, you're gaining weight!" She's obese, but I never make comments or judgments because I don't notice weight in my friends/family. Even though I know she can't control herself when it comes to that, it's still annoying.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
121. too thin
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jul 2014

or too fat depending on the day. But always critical of everything. I could win the Nobel Prize in Science and it would be "I'm proud, but why didn't you pursue a different field like education?"

Oh, and a favorite "Why does your hair look like that?"

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
127. My garden still has great tomatoes and peppers growing
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:00 AM
Jul 2014

some plants that NRaleighLiberal sent me flourishing, and my hair was in a baseball cap. I was wearing shitty looking clothes that people wear when they are in the garden.

I looked "fat" with "awful hair" and was wearing "rags".

My garden is still freaking awesome.

theexwife

(52 posts)
134. The fatty days
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jul 2014

God I wish we could go back to the old days where chubby women were considered way sexier than skin and bones

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