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bigtree

(85,992 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:34 AM Apr 2012

Jeffrey Toobin: Judges ‘deranged’ by their Obama hatred

4/5/12 9:15 AM EDT


“I think what these judges have done is a disgrace,” CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said on CNN Thursday. “What President Obama said was entirely appropriate. There is nothing wrong, there’s nothing controversial.”

“He said, ‘I signed a law that was passed by the democratically elected congress and I think it’s constitutional.’ And then these judges give the Justice Department a homework assignment, a three-page letter, single spaced, explaining what the president said,” he said.

What the appellate court’s request boils down to, Toobin argued Thursday, is that some GOP judges are simply out to get Obama for partisan reasons and that the president is in no position to “threaten” the Supreme Court, as many of his critics have suggested.

“That was a perfectly appropriate comment by the president and it just shows how some of these Republican judges are just deranged by hatred of the president,” he said.


read: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/74864.html

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Jeffrey Toobin: Judges ‘deranged’ by their Obama hatred (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2012 OP
Republicans are ProSense Apr 2012 #1
I thought this was an Onion story when I first heard it. rurallib Apr 2012 #2
Who do these judges think they are? Limbaugh listeners and freepers emulatorloo Apr 2012 #5
Does Obama even need to respond to this? shawn703 Apr 2012 #3
My guess is he doesnt...but this is right up there with Sarah Palin suggesting the President meet Pachamama Apr 2012 #4
He doesn't, the remark was not made in a courtroom. julian09 Apr 2012 #10
They just HATE....and Obama is the target. AlbertCat Apr 2012 #23
Yes. He needs to figure out how to get them out of office, and ask the public to help. saras Apr 2012 #19
The judges are being childishly sensitive about their authority. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #6
So much hate, JEB Apr 2012 #7
I think of Michelle and the kids Whisp Apr 2012 #12
Well said- I share your feelings and fears (nt) Tumbulu Apr 2012 #20
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #8
The Judge showed his extreme predjudice almost immediately... Spazito Apr 2012 #9
Give the President a Congress (Democrats) willing to work for the country not business. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #11
good point bigtree Apr 2012 #14
Hell, it's not just the judiciary, a substantial segment of the public has a burning white hot Citizen Worker Apr 2012 #13
significant to have (and see) this level and form of institutional resistance bigtree Apr 2012 #15
Please add "of" after hatred and before Obama. It reads like Obama is the hater Vincardog Apr 2012 #16
changed it bigtree Apr 2012 #26
Thanks Jeffrey, for calling them as they are (the judges). Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #17
This comment got my ire up: Moostache Apr 2012 #18
Why didn't they ask Bush or Rove for explanations malaise Apr 2012 #21
Citizen's United is treason. AlbertCat Apr 2012 #24
Did bush ever say anything like this? Reagan? louis-t Apr 2012 #22
Lawrence O'Donnel played a clip of dubya from 2007 BootinUp Apr 2012 #28
Yup, saw it last night. louis-t Apr 2012 #29
Borgia Judges Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #25
Fuck Yeah Toobin! davidpdx Apr 2012 #27

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. Republicans are
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:42 AM
Apr 2012

hypocritical assholes. I mean, they make it a practice of threatening everyone. In fact, most of their hissy fits are simply projecting.

Best title on the subject:

After Threatening Judges, GOP Accuses Obama of Judicial Intimidation
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/04/1080678/-After-Threatening-Judges-GOP-Accuses-Obama-of-Judicial-Intimidation

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
2. I thought this was an Onion story when I first heard it.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 10:06 AM
Apr 2012

The President merely commented on the case. I think in a democracy even he is allowed to do that.
And some super goofy-fuck judge gets his panties in a wad and gives the administration an essay as punishment. No detention as yet.
Jesus Christ, who do these judges think they are, Jesus Christ?

emulatorloo

(44,119 posts)
5. Who do these judges think they are? Limbaugh listeners and freepers
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 10:43 AM
Apr 2012

Because as you know, Obama is a Kenyan communist bent on destroying the constitution.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
3. Does Obama even need to respond to this?
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 10:16 AM
Apr 2012

This isn't grade school. Obama has better things to do than give a civics lesson to judges.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
4. My guess is he doesnt...but this is right up there with Sarah Palin suggesting the President meet
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 10:38 AM
Apr 2012

...her to talk. I suggest if he doesnt need to reply, he doesnt or at least has a clever reply that shuts them the f*ck up. Im so tired of these foaming at the mouth Repukes who are literally obsessed in their hatred of Obama that they do things like this. They dont love their country. They dont love the Constitution. They dont love God. They just HATE....and Obama is the target.

 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
10. He doesn't, the remark was not made in a courtroom.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:30 AM
Apr 2012

The president was talking to the press and only gave his opinion on why he expects that the court to rule the law constitutional.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
19. Yes. He needs to figure out how to get them out of office, and ask the public to help.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:09 PM
Apr 2012

He doesn't need to do the work, but explicit word from the top down that these bastards go, and the people working to get rid of them will be supported, would be EXTREMELY helpful to the country.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
6. The judges are being childishly sensitive about their authority.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:02 AM
Apr 2012

When the majority of the Justices were more liberal than those sitting today, conservatives complained about the overreaching of the courts and argued against judicial legislation. Now they are blaming Obama for far, far less.

The rivalry between the three branches of government is inevitable under our Constitution. I hope that Obama will be given the chance to appoint more justices. If we Democrats had a stronger majority in Congress, maybe . . . .

Jefferson's Letter to Roane Regarding the Supreme Court --

DEAR SIR,— . . .

I . . . go further than you do, if I understand rightly your quotation from the Federalist, of an opinion that "the judiciary is the last resort in relation to the other departments of the government, but not in relation to the rights of the parties to the compact under which the judiciary is derived." If this opinion be sound, then indeed is our constitution a complete felo de se. For intending to establish three departments, co-ordinate and independent, that they might check and balance one another, it has given, according to this opinion, to one of them alone, the right to prescribe rules for the government of the others, and to that one too, which is unelected by, and independent of the nation. For experience has already shown that the impeachment it has provided is not even a scare-crow; that such opinions as the one you combat, sent cautiously out, as you observe also, by detachment, not belonging to the case often, but sought for out of it, as if to rally the public opinion beforehand to their views, and to indicate the line they are to walk in, have been so quietly passed over as never to have excited animadversion, even in a speech of any one of the body entrusted with impeachment. The constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please. It should be remembered, as an axiom of eternal truth in politics, that whatever power in any government is independent, is absolute also; in theory only, at first, while the spirit of the people is up, but in practice, as fast as that relaxes. Independence can be trusted nowhere but with the people in mass. They are inherently independent of all but moral law. My construction of the constitution is very different from that you quote. It is that each department is truly independent of the others, and has an equal right to decide for itself what is the meaning of the constitution in the cases submitted to its action; and especially, where it is to act ultimately and without appeal. I will explain myself by examples, which, having occurred while I was in office, are better known to me, and the principles which governed them.

A legislature had passed the sedition law. The federal courts had subjected certain individuals to its penalties of fine and imprisonment. On coming into office, I released these individuals by the power of pardon committed to executive discretion, which could never be more properly exercised than where citizens were suffering without the authority of law, or, which was equivalent, under a law unauthorized by the constitution, and therefore null. In the case of Marbury and Madison, the federal judges declared that commissions, signed and sealed by the President, were valid, although not delivered. I deemed delivery essential to complete a deed, which, as long as it remains in the hands of the party, is as yet no deed, it is in posse only, but not in esse, and I withheld delivery of the commissions. They cannot issue a mandamus to the President or legislature, or to any of their officers.* When the British treaty of------arrived, without any provision against the impressment of our seamen, I determined not to ratify it. The Senate thought I should ask their advice. I thought that would be a mockery of them, when I was predetermined against following it, should they advise its ratification. The constitution had made their advice necessary to confirm a treaty, but not to reject it. This has been blamed by some; but I have never doubted its soundness. In the cases of two persons, antenati, under exactly similar circumstances, the federal court had determined that one of them (Duane) was not a citizen; the House of Representatives nevertheless determined that the other (Smith, of South Carolina) was a citizen, and admitted him to his seat in their body. Duane was a republican, and Smith a federalist, and these decisions were made during the federal ascendancy.

These are examples of my position, that each of the three departments has equally the right to decide for itself what is its duty under the constitution, without any regard to what the others may have decided for themselves under a similar question. But you intimate a wish that my opinion should be known on this subject. No, dear Sir, I withdraw from all contest of opinion, and resign everything cheerfully to the generation now in place. They are wiser than we were, and their successors will be wiser than they, from the progressive advance of science. Tranquillity is the summum bonum of age. I wish, therefore, to offend no man’s opinion, nor to draw dis-quieting animadversions on my own. While duty required it, I met opposition with a firm and fearless step. But loving mankind in my individual relations with them, I pray to be permitted to depart in their peace; and like the superannuated soldier, "guadragenis stipendiis emeritis," to hang my arms on the post. I have unwisely, I fear, embarked in an enterprise of great public concern, but not to be accomplished within my term, without their liberal and prompt support. . . . .

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=2192

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
7. So much hate,
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:06 AM
Apr 2012

so few constructive ideas. Do they have anything besides hate and the tried and failed mantra of lower taxes and deregulation?

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
12. I think of Michelle and the kids
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:35 PM
Apr 2012

Michelle will be knowing whats going on - how thick the resentment and hatred is but how to keep that away from the kids, that must be gnawing at the both of them every day.

I am astounded by the racism - unbelievable pure raw hatred for a man because of his skin. Even tho that man is probably smarter AND MORE DECENT than a town full of white folk who think themselves so bloody superior (but that is probably what gets their goat to begin with).

It's waaaaaaay worse than I ever imagined. I knew Merka wasn't over it's ugliness even tho the PResident was elected, but I never fathomed it would get this far. And we have a long way to go still.

I cry for the Obamas and for all those who have had to suffer this hatred and pain for all this time.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

Spazito

(50,325 posts)
9. The Judge showed his extreme predjudice almost immediately...
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:12 AM
Apr 2012

by referring to the Act as "Obamacare" whereas it is, within legal bounds, the Affordable Care Act. It certainly shows it is not just the 4 +/- 1 U.S. Supreme Court Judges who have subverted the courts, it is obviously all the way down through the system. Scary.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
11. Give the President a Congress (Democrats) willing to work for the country not business.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:27 PM
Apr 2012

Yeah, shout it from the mountain tops! Vote a straight Democratic ballot if you've had enough of vaginal probe amendments to transportation bills and faux filibusters against any Democratic legislation in the Senate. Give the President large majorities in both Houses. Hopefully we can appoint at least one SC justice before 2016. I think Thomas is a zombie already somebody should check his pulse, or even better, brain waves.

Citizen Worker

(1,785 posts)
13. Hell, it's not just the judiciary, a substantial segment of the public has a burning white hot
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 01:02 PM
Apr 2012

hatred of the first Black president.

bigtree

(85,992 posts)
15. significant to have (and see) this level and form of institutional resistance
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:06 PM
Apr 2012

from a member of one of our branches of government.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
17. Thanks Jeffrey, for calling them as they are (the judges).
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:47 PM
Apr 2012

Cheney had to shoot his judge "buddy" in the face to make them all march lockstep.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
18. This comment got my ire up:
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:04 PM
Apr 2012

Sen. Orrin Hatch, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said it is a "fantasy" to think "every law you like is constitutional and every Supreme Court decision you don't is 'activist.' Judicial activism or restraint is not measured by which side wins but by whether the court correctly applied the law."


OH, REALLY Orrin?!?!?

How about some vocal support for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals?
How about some "respect" for Roe v. Wade....after all, it WAS decided by the Supreme Court...

The only two decisions these asshats really support are Bush v. Gore and Citizens United.

And for Orrin-fucking-Hacth to have the balls to claim that the GOP does not determine "activism" by who wins or loses a judgement is goddamn offensive hypocrisy. Those fanatics have never met a claim of liberal courts or liberal media that they won't beat to death!

malaise

(268,961 posts)
21. Why didn't they ask Bush or Rove for explanations
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:19 PM
Apr 2012

Fuck those fuckers!
They should be impeached for treason - Citizen's United is treason.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
24. Citizen's United is treason.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:46 PM
Apr 2012

It is obvious Roberts did let his personal politics interfere with a major court decision..... what he SPECIFICALLY said he could avoid when that very concern came up in his appointment hearings.

He lied. He cannot handle his job the way he said he could. Get rid of him.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
28. Lawrence O'Donnel played a clip of dubya from 2007
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:53 AM
Apr 2012

and when he spoke about the court activism he had far less tact than Obama, by the way.

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